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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 10, 2018 15:02:32 GMT
I was sharing a conversation with a dev [who does not work for BioWare] about how BSN (to them) appeared to be a forum full of, well let's say that they were reminded of the AskAGameDev article about online forums, in which forum members are described as often being 'trolls and zealots'. This remark was caused by their disappointment in what they perceived was a strongly negative reaction to Anthem on this forum.
Do you feel that's true? I'm seeing both positive and negative reactions (and a fair amount of 'don't knows') What relationship does and should a 'fan' gaming community have with its respective game studio? What duty does a fan forum have to screen out any negative opinion (if any)? 'Fans' and devs are welcome to share their perspectives on this discussion as they like. * please note * I'm not referencing the individual I chatted with because they are entitled to their view, it's the principle we're discussing (unless they wish to pop in). Let's be responsible, people.
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Post by MediocreOgre on Jun 10, 2018 15:06:32 GMT
Criticism is an important part of creativity, both from yourself and others. If they can’t take criticism.... sigh. And this is coming from an ultra sensitive person here. If i don’t get good criticism in my job I get suspicious.
edit: that said doomsaying is not productive. Productive critique is. Harassing is bad. Constant end is neighing is boring and unproductive. Be productive I guess.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jun 10, 2018 15:09:26 GMT
What do they expect? It's a new IP that doesn't look like emphasizing on Bioware's strong skills of storytelling and companionship simming. This forum doesn't really mirror the target audience yet and for that to come they would need to establish the new IP and maybe sway some of thze "classic" audience.
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Post by giubba on Jun 10, 2018 15:11:14 GMT
I was sharing a conversation with a dev [who does not work for BioWare] about how BSN (to them) appeared to be a forum full of, well let's say that they were reminded of the AskAGameDev article about online forums, in which forum members are described as often being 'trolls and zealots'. This remark was caused by their disappointment in what they perceived was a strongly negative reaction to Anthem on this forum.
Do you feel that's true? Holy fucking shit, YES. If we are talking about the old BSN it never recovered from the regurgitation of toxicity that came after DA2. If we are talking about this place, it's nothing more than a detuned version of the old forum but the same toxicity the same venom that was there it's here and pollute everything
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Post by slimgrin727 on Jun 10, 2018 15:13:45 GMT
I do think gamers in general are being too cynical about Anthem. It's not just on this site. Part of that is seeing Bioware veer away from their staple, but we'll be getting Dragon Age later on for that.
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Post by rras1994 on Jun 10, 2018 15:16:33 GMT
I've seen quite a number of comments that were insulting other users for being interested in Anthem, never mind BioWare. There were people still arguing in an other thread how it was perfectly reasonable for someone to be annoyed that Anthem was being called a BioWare game for being made by BioWare cus of "brand recognition". There is a lot of times here where people go over the line. I'll be honest, in other forums, I've seen people get warned and then banned for the kind of comments here. I like how open the forum is here but I do think sometimes people abuse that openiness.
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Post by Cannibal on Jun 10, 2018 15:20:27 GMT
In my experience with the BSN, this one, and the old official one, I've found the fans posting to be more negative. But that's because, going to and signing up to a fan forum, typically means that they have more invested in the game, and that they're "bigger" fans. The typical person who buys games, they don't even finish them, I'm the same way with many games, especially if I'm busy or a lot of games are coming out. For example I haven't finished the newest Assassin's Creed yet, and it took me almost a month to finish God of War. So I don't bother to go on their fan sites, only fan sites I frequent, is BioWare, though no game in over a year leads to not much to talk about. Except SWTOR which I go to that forum frequently. And WoW, which I go to their official forum as well as MMO Champion frequently. But with BioWare games, I have more Shepards than I have fingers and toes, likewise for the Warden. And it wouldn't surprise me to hear that in the lower numbers compared to other members of the community. And when you have Mass Effect 3 come out and end the way it ended, of course the people who invested significant time into the game are going to be disappointed and go online to voice negative reactions, same with Andromeda. I don't recall Inquisition getting a lot of negative reactions, I think it was more mixed. As for Anthem, well it's clearly a game that is not typical of a BioWare game, so a BioWare fan forum created for fans of BioWare games, are going to be more negative towards it. And if anybody is surprised by that, then they just aren't paying attention, especially if it's part of the Dev team. [They are not SofaJockey ] If they honestly believe that BioWare fans are going to run out and buy this game because they say it feels BioWare even though what they show says otherwise, then, they're just deluding themselves.
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Post by Yermogi on Jun 10, 2018 15:22:08 GMT
I think that Anthem will be enjoyable for some people, but not others, just like everything else in life. Longtime players of BioWare will be disappointed that this seems to be taking a drastic turn from what they've come to expect from BioWare stories, but it could appeal to another, equally large group. Not every game has to be exactly the same. I personally am not interested in Anthem because it's a multiplayer action RPG with seemingly limited room for character growth and development where story takes a backseat to game mechanics, but hey, that's me. Others might love it. If BioWare believes in it, they should do it.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 10, 2018 15:25:01 GMT
I go out onto YouTube and game sites a fair bit and I find BSN quite mild compared to the 'Fuck EA' narratives you find in those places.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 10, 2018 15:26:36 GMT
So being critical is being a troll or a zealot? Is an fawning echo chamber the only acceptable community for fans?
Yes people sometimes go too far in their expressions of disappointment, but at the same time there is usually a REASON for that negative reaction. Businesses ignore it at their peril.
If there's a strong negative reaction, that indicates there was enough emotional investment to generate the reaction to begin with. People should be free to express it (within certain boundaries of legality and good taste)
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 10, 2018 15:27:34 GMT
I'd argue Dev's have become used to twitter which means they don't really have to engage with anything that isn't a hype generator. This place is more negative than it would be for a usual launch but that's a consequence of their design choices. I don't see a fanbase as having a requirement to be a hype generator. It should be a place for dissecting, hyping if it hits the right spot and griping if its unpalatable.
Don't really see why there should be a duty to screen opinions beyond proper moderation that currently goes on. Anthem is a bit of an odd duck as it clearly seems to be them out deliberately wooing another audience, while the traditional fans are sitting home feeling somewhat unloved without even the usual bones to chew on. In the past they could have focused on DA/ME but they are on hold/in deep freeze because/inspite of Anthem.
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Post by Wulfram on Jun 10, 2018 15:28:21 GMT
I mean, there's hardly anyone here to be honest. So it doesn't take many disillusioned people to turn the conversation downbeat.
But I can't see how Bioware can expect more than disappointment and polite indifference from their established fans when what they show offers so little of what has traditionally attracted people to their games.
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Post by Cyonan on Jun 10, 2018 15:33:35 GMT
My experience with fanbases is that there's always going to be toxicity because it's just the internet and people get passionate about things, or like to troll.
I also feel like BioWare is trying to get away from what makes their games distinctly BioWare games, even more so with Anthem. This is something that always ramps up the toxicity among the more hardcore fanbase. Everything I've seen from Anthem is giving me Destiny/Warframe vibes and while I enjoyed those games, they're not exactly what BioWare is known for making.
This is also not the first time BioWare has done a departure from what they're traditionally known and loved for making.
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Post by 10k on Jun 10, 2018 15:40:31 GMT
I think people should be able to express how they feel about a game. If it's in a positive way, sure. If it's in a toxic way, sure. If I feel Anthem, Andromeda, or any other BW game that comes out looks like shit, I'm going to express, IT LOOKS LIKE SHIT. I don't care if people feelings are hurt. You want my 60 bucks you're going to have to work for it. As a dev, if you're too sensitive about your game being shit on get another profession. That's what people do, they shit on games. And it's not just games that get this type of "toxic criticism" movies, music, and any other form of entertainment does as well. my advice is get over it.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 10, 2018 15:40:37 GMT
I mean, there's hardly anyone here to be honest. Worth mentioning that our daily viewership fluctuates from 3,000 in-between games and 20,000 at launch peak. 85% of whom just lurk and don't post.
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 10, 2018 15:43:34 GMT
I go out onto YouTube and game sites a fair bit and I find BSN quite mild compared to the 'Fuck EA' narratives you find in those places. The comments for the trailer on the official Anthem channel seem pretty positive. But every other channel I’ve seen it on is followed by choruses of “Fuck EA” and claims that the gameplay is horrible (without much explanation as to why)
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Post by azarhal on Jun 10, 2018 15:54:22 GMT
nuBSN (and old BSN) is the only fan forum I know that reads like a hate forum near new game release since around DA2. The fan forums for underperforming sport teams I follow aren't half as toxic as this place can get.
When ME was announced the "old crowd" wasn't happy and there was some sort of fandom split that didn't interact with each others. When DA2 was announced everything imploded though.
Lets not talk about the "hate EA brigade" out there though, but these are not supposedly fans to start with.
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Post by goishen on Jun 10, 2018 15:58:18 GMT
What I think is critical here is for the viewer (both the random fan and the dev) to have an objective eye. Moreso of the dev, because he saw how the sausage was made.
*shrug* Ya know? When a company gets taken over and they have a completely different process for processing their widgets, they don't come in and say, "Hey, I hope everyone here had a great day. Does anyone mind if we process widgets another way?"
No, they come in and say, "We're doing it this way. Like it or GTFO."
What I'm trying to tell you is that a little emotional strength is not only needed, but it's also necessary. What we have now is a bunch of whining two year olds. "He cursed at me! He said a wordy dird!" I can't even post a big enough facepalm for that.
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Post by duckley on Jun 10, 2018 16:02:04 GMT
I haven't found the negativity too high but I worry that when the game comes out - it could get blasted. Right now it seems that posters that are the most negative about Anthem are those who feel really dislike like the new IP concept, prefer an RPG, and want more MEA or some combination thereof. Personally I fit the latter two but not the first - I think Bioware is smart to have a new type of franchise... but they cannot, must not, stop producing story driven, relationship rich RPGs as wll.
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Post by Frost on Jun 10, 2018 16:04:24 GMT
I think criticism of games/works should always be allowed, and I do not think forums should screen out/remove all negative opinions by default. Also, just because you don't agree with someone does not make them automatically a troll, a zealot, or toxic. Personal attacks and threats should of course not be allowed.
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Post by bshep on Jun 10, 2018 16:09:25 GMT
It may be lesser than a cesspool like youtube comments section or reddit, but we have trolls roaming around and people spewing bigotry and hate on threads around the forum.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 10, 2018 16:18:24 GMT
I should also point out that "toxic" is both extremely subjective as well as a loaded term.
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Post by newnation on Jun 10, 2018 16:23:43 GMT
I was sharing a conversation with a dev [who does not work for BioWare] about how BSN (to them) appeared to be a forum full of, well let's say that they were reminded of the AskAGameDev article about online forums, in which forum members are described as often being 'trolls and zealots'. This remark was caused by their disappointment in what they perceived was a strongly negative reaction to Anthem on this forum.
Do you feel that's true? Holy fucking shit, YES. If we are talking about the old BSN it never recovered from the regurgitation of toxicity that came after DA2. If we are talking about this place, it's nothing more than a detuned version of the old forum but the same toxicity the same venom that was there it's here and pollute everything
I wholeheartedly agree. There's a difference between criticism and just being a downright ass to people.
In any case, I share Yermogi's opinion on Anthem. I'm just not into multiplayer rpgs.
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Post by cribbian on Jun 10, 2018 16:27:08 GMT
The posts on Biowares own Facebook page is overall more negative towards anthem than these forums from what I have seen so if they find this place disheartening they will have som rough months ahead of them.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 10, 2018 17:06:18 GMT
Biowares own Facebook page is overall more negative towards anthem than these forums Perhaps they'll shut it down then...
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