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Post by OneWomanArmy on Jun 11, 2018 11:09:11 GMT
LOL they keep making their games against their fans wishes, I mean, they ask for feedback and they get it but yet they don’t use it and make their games the EXACT opposite of what their fans want and then when their fans complains, they can’t seem to understand? They call us toxic? LOL again. They should start to actually LISTEN to us instead, maybe just maybe making a game based on the feedback received for once ( or since the “old days”) would turn things around for both them and us their loyal fans through many years who BUY their games which in the end results to them making money...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 11:11:12 GMT
LOL they keep making their games against their fans wishes, I mean, they ask for feedback and they get it but yet they don’t use it and make their games the EXACT opposite of what their fans want and then when their fans complains, they can’t seem to understand? They call us toxic? LOL again. They should start to actually LISTEN to us instead, maybe just maybe making a game based on the feedback received for once ( or since the “old days”) would turn things around for both them and us their loyal fans through many years who BUY their games which in the end results to them making money... This alone is why I'm glad to have followed you.
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Post by mmoblitz on Jun 11, 2018 11:21:34 GMT
I think that Anthem will be enjoyable for some people, but not others, just like everything else in life. Longtime players of BioWare will be disappointed that this seems to be taking a drastic turn from what they've come to expect from BioWare stories, but it could appeal to another, equally large group. Not every game has to be exactly the same. I personally am not interested in Anthem because it's a multiplayer action RPG with seemingly limited room for character growth and development where story takes a backseat to game mechanics, but hey, that's me. Others might love it. If BioWare believes in it, they should do it. Agreed. It doesn't help that there is wide spread hate for EA (deserved imo) and since they are Biowares overlord, I think some of that spills over to them. I can't speak for others but there has been a trend in Biowares games as of late to move away from what they did best and for me, that isn't what I want to see happen to one of my favorite story tellers. I know others do it, but I don't have as much invested in other studios as I do Bioware and I hate seeing there name used to sell a game. It might fool some people, but fans of the old Bioware know what's going on. Like it or not it's a new Bioware and they are moving on and away from what made them great in the first place. Chasing that golden carrot and trying to acquire a new fan base. As far as negativity goes, I have seen other sites far more toxic than this one. I think they do a fine job here in what's allowed and what isn't. Attacking anyone personally should be off limits, but voicing ones opinion on a game should be fine.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Jun 11, 2018 11:21:56 GMT
LOL they keep making their games against their fans wishes, I mean, they ask for feedback and they get it but yet they don’t use it and make their games the EXACT opposite of what their fans want and then when their fans complains, they can’t seem to understand? They call us toxic? LOL again. They should start to actually LISTEN to us instead, maybe just maybe making a game based on the feedback received for once ( or since the “old days”) would turn things around for both them and us their loyal fans through many years who BUY their games which in the end results to them making money... This alone is why I'm glad to have followed you. Thank you ❤️ I enjoy your posts too you know!
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 11, 2018 11:22:53 GMT
LOL they keep making their games against their fans wishes, I mean, they ask for feedback and they get it but yet they don’t use it and make their games the EXACT opposite of what their fans want and then when their fans complains, they can’t seem to understand? They call us toxic? LOL again. They should start to actually LISTEN to us instead, maybe just maybe making a game based on the feedback received for once ( or since the “old days”) would turn things around for both them and us their loyal fans through many years who BUY their games which in the end results to them making money... What some fans want, some of us are open to these new ideas if they still have decent character and story writing. IF Don’t forget that devs are creative people with their own desire to experiment and try new things. Casey Hudson stated in old interviews from ME2 days that he liked the idea of working co-op story into Mass Effect. If they were shoving this stuff into Mass Effect or Dragon Age that would be one thing, but a new IP is a prime opportunity to experiment and try new approaches. I won’t begrudge them that. I won’t buy it if the story and character interaction is terrible, but I won’t begrudge them the attempt. That’s how I view it anyway.
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Post by mmoblitz on Jun 11, 2018 11:29:56 GMT
Anthem looks absolutly uninspired to me. Quite frankly if it wasn't Bioware, I wouldn't even care to waste my time giving my opinion, and ignore the whole thing. I can understand complain about harassment, I can understand being annoyed when called "lazy" ... But at some point you have to grow a thicker skin. Bioware needs to get over the ME3/DA2 trauma. Also I suggest a better PR than the problem is the fans. It's been going on for years now, perhaps the fans aren't the whole issue here. Well said.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Jun 11, 2018 11:37:43 GMT
LOL they keep making their games against their fans wishes, I mean, they ask for feedback and they get it but yet they don’t use it and make their games the EXACT opposite of what their fans want and then when their fans complains, they can’t seem to understand? They call us toxic? LOL again. They should start to actually LISTEN to us instead, maybe just maybe making a game based on the feedback received for once ( or since the “old days”) would turn things around for both them and us their loyal fans through many years who BUY their games which in the end results to them making money... What some fans want, some of us are open to these new ideas if they still have decent character and story writing. IF Don’t forget that devs are creative people with their own desire to experiment and try new things. Casey Hudson stated in old interviews from ME2 days that he liked the idea of working co-op story into Mass Effect. If they were shoving this stuff into Mass Effect or Dragon Age that would be one thing, but a new IP is a prime opportunity to experiment and try new approaches. I won’t begrudge them that. I won’t buy it if the story and character interaction is terrible, but I won’t begrudge them the attempt. That’s how I view it anyway. Some are not the majority but that’s another thing. I remember in the old days that the devs would post on the bsn for feedback, that was awesome but then they stopped. I don’t think experimenting with new things is the problem here, at least not for me, it’s the only multiplayer side and no story thing, if we wanted that then we would go to all the thousands of other companies out there, cause there are plenty of games like that out there already but what made Bioware unique was the stories and single player aspect of it and the companions, the romances, not many games out there that has that, they were winning big on that by being unique like that, otherwise they’re the same as all the other games out there now and they’re not pleasing their fans, they’re pleasing newcomers, other game companies fans. THATS the problem IMO.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 11, 2018 11:41:27 GMT
I've been waiting for something that captivates me as much as Mass Effect 3 multiplayer, which no game has quite done since. I hope Anthem will be that thing.
But that's not desperation, adoration or frenzy.
The corollary applies, I'm unclear why any video game (an entertainment, a hobby) generates 'hate', 'anger', 'abuse', those seem too extreme an emotion.
Like or dislike seems to be the highest emotional gain that gaming should generate.
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 11, 2018 12:06:27 GMT
What some fans want, some of us are open to these new ideas if they still have decent character and story writing. IF Don’t forget that devs are creative people with their own desire to experiment and try new things. Casey Hudson stated in old interviews from ME2 days that he liked the idea of working co-op story into Mass Effect. If they were shoving this stuff into Mass Effect or Dragon Age that would be one thing, but a new IP is a prime opportunity to experiment and try new approaches. I won’t begrudge them that. I won’t buy it if the story and character interaction is terrible, but I won’t begrudge them the attempt. That’s how I view it anyway. Some are not the majority but that’s another thing. I remember in the old days that the devs would post on the bsn for feedback, that was awesome but then they stopped. I don’t think experimenting with new things is the problem here, at least not for me, it’s the only multiplayer side and no story thing, if we wanted that then we would go to all the thousands of other companies out there, cause there are plenty of games like that out there already but what made Bioware unique was the stories and single player aspect of it and the companions, the romances, not many games out there that has that, they were winning big on that by being unique like that, otherwise they’re the same as all the other games out there now and they’re not pleasing their fans, they’re pleasing newcomers, other game companies fans. THATS the problem IMO. You don’t speak for the majority either. The people on this forum tend to skew more traditionalist and niche than the general audience for Bioware games. I do play a lot of games made by those other companies. So do most people who play Bioware games I would wager. And yes, I get that they’re doing something you don’t like, that doesn’t really change the fact that their experimenting with a new approach to their gameplay and storytelling. It’s like a band that releases a new album with a shift in style, sure, fans of the other stuff may not all like it, but they aren’t obliged to like it. It may not succeed in the end, but if Bioware never experimented they would still be making isometric D&D games and neither Mass Effect nor Dragon Age would exist. I’m not sure where you’re getting the no story thing. Everything we’ve heard says there will be one and that we’ll be able to develop non-romantic relationships with characters in the hub (Mark Darrah said the advisors in Inquisition were a good comparison). Obviously we need to see more to know if it’s executed well. And frankly, I can’t fully blame the devs for shutting the forums even though I’m not sure it was the right call. The feedback they got there wasn’t unique, they could find it elsewhere without having to manage the place themselves. And being the official forums often just made it a target for tirades and rants about how the devs “ruined the franchise” and how David Gaider is a horrible person for writing X, or how Bioware is dead (A perennial favorite, ten years running). Every Bioware release I have watched over the last decade was accompanied by thread after thread of negativity of people demanding Bioware cater to their wishes and lambast them for daring to change up their formula even slightly. The rage I saw when people found out they wouldn’t have the full original crew back in Mass Effect 2 now seems quaint. Of course, even after these outbursts of rage, most of those games still sold well. Maybe Bioware realized the people on their forums weren’t necessarily representative of the people purchasing their titles. EDIT:I don’t mean to discount legitimate criticisms, but on the old forums you had to trudge through a lot of crap to get to them.
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Post by river82 on Jun 11, 2018 12:13:26 GMT
Maybe Bioware realized the people on their forums weren’t necessarily representative of the people purchasing their titles. In which case it shouldn't be disheartening when the BSN forum disapproves of the new Bioware game. If people on this forum aren't representative of their new audience, then our reaction shouldn't really matter. In which case I'm wondering just what the non-Bioware dev, who our horse loving mod talked with, is so upset about :S
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 11, 2018 12:22:35 GMT
Maybe Bioware realized the people on their forums weren’t necessarily representative of the people purchasing their titles. In which case it shouldn't be disheartening when the BSN forum disapproves of the new Bioware game. If people on this forum aren't representative of their new audience, then our reaction shouldn't really matter. In which case I'm wondering just what the non-Bioware dev, who our horse loving mod talked with, is so upset about :S Like I said, I’m not sure it was the right call. But even if the feedback is of limited value, all that negativity still has an emotional impact on the devs. Plus, if they aren’t getting much of value from the forums, why continue paying for it?
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Post by Fredward on Jun 11, 2018 12:30:10 GMT
I don't care tbh.
You get scales of negativity/toxicity, what is never acceptable is harassing/threatening a developer. That's dumb and you seriously need to go stand in a corner and breathe if you think that's appropriate behavior, regardless of how invested you are in their game. You also get vacuous hateful stuff like "BUH BIOWARE DEAD" "GAH EA BAD" the same consideration should be given to these as you'd give to the noises of someone who's having a seizure. What's also kinda dubious is consistently sending criticisms to a specific dev, especially if they have expressed the fact that they don't really wanna deal with it. You may or may not have a point, you may or may not express it respectfully but no one is built to deal with a constant stream of criticism and you're not entitled to their consideration.
On the other side of things is what goes on at the BSN. This is what conversation looks like, you may not like it but this is what it looks like. We avoid an echo chamber effect like what tends to happen on platforms like Twitter and Reddit and demonstrably don't live to just bash Bioware like some other places. I can sorta understand a simple disinclination to engage with any space that isn't positive about years of work but if the alternative is some fawning, smiling-is-mandatory type space (and I have a hard time seeing an alternative if the current iteration of BSN is deemed too toxic) then I'm fine being considered toxic. In a perfect world it isn't the dynamic I'd pick for the relationship between devs and fans but if the options fall on a scale between Twitter/Reddit | BSN | YouTube/Codex and anything beyond the curated, self-policing echo chambers of Twitter and Reddit are considered toxic then meh.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 11, 2018 12:30:53 GMT
I've been waiting for something that captivates me as much as Mass Effect 3 multiplayer, which no game has quite done since. I hope Anthem will be that thing. But that's not desperation, adoration or frenzy. The corollary applies, I'm unclear why any video game (an entertainment, a hobby) generates 'hate', 'anger', 'abuse', those seem too extreme an emotion. Like or dislike seems to be the highest emotional gain that gaming should generate. If the things we get attached to in life aren't worthy of passion(both positive and negative), i guess my question what is?
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Post by Iakus on Jun 11, 2018 13:07:12 GMT
What some fans want, some of us are open to these new ideas if they still have decent character and story writing. IF Don’t forget that devs are creative people with their own desire to experiment and try new things. Casey Hudson stated in old interviews from ME2 days that he liked the idea of working co-op story into Mass Effect. If they were shoving this stuff into Mass Effect or Dragon Age that would be one thing, but a new IP is a prime opportunity to experiment and try new approaches. I won’t begrudge them that. I won’t buy it if the story and character interaction is terrible, but I won’t begrudge them the attempt. That’s how I view it anyway. Some are not the majority but that’s another thing. I remember in the old days that the devs would post on the bsn for feedback, that was awesome but then they stopped. I don’t think experimenting with new things is the problem here, at least not for me, it’s the only multiplayer side and no story thing, if we wanted that then we would go to all the thousands of other companies out there, cause there are plenty of games like that out there already but what made Bioware unique was the stories and single player aspect of it and the companions, the romances, not many games out there that has that, they were winning big on that by being unique like that, otherwise they’re the same as all the other games out there now and they’re not pleasing their fans, they’re pleasing newcomers, other game companies fans. THATS the problem IMO. As someone else has pointed out, this is a "Bioware" game without most of Bioware's defining features, and a Destiny clone without some of Destiny's features. And this is coming at a time when Bioware REALLY needs a winner!
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Post by linksocarina on Jun 11, 2018 13:49:18 GMT
LOL they keep making their games against their fans wishes, I mean, they ask for feedback and they get it but yet they don’t use it and make their games the EXACT opposite of what their fans want and then when their fans complains, they can’t seem to understand? They call us toxic? LOL again. They should start to actually LISTEN to us instead, maybe just maybe making a game based on the feedback received for once ( or since the “old days”) would turn things around for both them and us their loyal fans through many years who BUY their games which in the end results to them making money... They should listen to us less. Id respect that a lot more.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 11, 2018 14:39:33 GMT
LOL they keep making their games against their fans wishes, I mean, they ask for feedback and they get it but yet they don’t use it and make their games the EXACT opposite of what their fans want and then when their fans complains, they can’t seem to understand? They call us toxic? LOL again. They should start to actually LISTEN to us instead, maybe just maybe making a game based on the feedback received for once ( or since the “old days”) would turn things around for both them and us their loyal fans through many years who BUY their games which in the end results to them making money... They should listen to us less. Id respect that a lot more. They should listen to us more. Which is not to say they need to cater to every whim that comes along, but they SHOULD take our reactions under advisement rather than dismissing our concerns as those of unwashed plebs who don't know what "art" really is.
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Post by DannyC_pt on Jun 11, 2018 16:37:31 GMT
Hey there. It's been awhile since I've been on these forums. Just wanted to share one thought regarding the feeling many of us have after watching BioWare's presence at EA's E3 conference.
I'm a traditional SP RPG gamer. Big Mass Effect fan, and also Dragon Age. I think the big mistake BioWare did was not following Bethesda's strategy. Bethesda's main game was an online Fallout title. But they took the opportunity to tease two major SP games, ES6 and Starfield, even though everyone knows those games are coming years down the line.
And still, that was enough to appease the traditional crowd, and that way boost a better reaction from their fans. If BioWare had teased a future ME or DA game, even a ME Remaster, they would have achieved the same goal, and most of us would be much more supportive of Anthem, instead of feeling a sense of abandonment.
I think doing things the way Bethesda did yesterday would have been a better strategy. Casey Hudson even had an interview where he pretty much stated they were considering a future ME title, calling it it's baby. Seriously, and I mean this positively and constructively, I really think BioWare needs a much better PR strategy.
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Post by abedsbrother on Jun 11, 2018 19:20:16 GMT
I was sharing a conversation with a dev [who does not work for BioWare] about how BSN (to them) appeared to be a forum full of, well let's say that they were reminded of the AskAGameDev article about online forums, in which forum members are described as often being 'trolls and zealots'. This remark was caused by their disappointment in what they perceived was a strongly negative reaction to Anthem on this forum.
Do you feel that's true? Here are my 2 cents, directed at the "trolls and zealots" categorization, which I find offensive. The experience a game offers is, to many people, a lived experience. When people see or hear that a new BioWare game is coming out, there are expectations for that new game based upon past games. They have memories of their champions and heroes, their loves and lost friends; they want to experience something like that again. Instead, BioWare is trying to remake a part of itself as an action studio. No one asked for this from BioWare. No one wanted this from BioWare. It is inevitable that the salt will flow. And as there are further reveals (like the fact that Anthem is always online), the flow of salt and negativity will increase, not decrease. This is because BioWare now tiptoes around their new game launches, never revealing anything meaningful, allowing users to create their own expectations via surmise. And when these expectations are disappointed, the salt flow increases again. BioWare makes no attempt to control the perception of their upcoming games, and it's cheap / naive to blame users for coming to their own conclusions. To categorize the users who populate forums as "trolls and zealots" fundamentally misunderstands the people who play these games. Attitudes like that are how games developers lose their audience. "But we tried to listen to the fans with Mass Effect Andromeda, and most fans hated that game!" Because Mass Effect Andromeda, while not a bad game, tried to re-capture past magic by copying it, instead of trying to find or make its own. The trolling, the anger, comes from a sense of disappointment. People are having to say goodbye to the "old BioWare." The ones who post loudest and longest are the ones who have the hardest time letting go. Perhaps because they know that BioWare has not found a new audience to replace the audience they're leaving behind, which spells oblivion for the studio. So they kick, and scream, and hope that someone, somewhere at BioWare will wake up and realize that complete reinvention isn't necessary, that the old audience is still there, waiting to be thrilled once again by the sorts of adventures, relationships, and pixelated friends that BioWare has brought us in the past. Trolls and zealots? Lol. Gtfo. Sorry. That really pisses me off.
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Post by Julilla on Jun 11, 2018 19:20:22 GMT
There are some threads on this board that are a civil haven of maturity. And there are others that are full of the screeching, petulant cries of toxictrolls. I'm not sure I'd want to wade through to find opinions here at all. I think it's one thing to say "Anthem doesn't look like my type of game. I wish they'd have been announcing DA4, instead. Oh well." That is an opinion. It's not a hate filled screed like "ZOMG SJWs added homosexual lootboxes to my fave gamez DIE EA/BW you suck hate hate hate hate why don't you listen to me and cater to me?!!" I see a lot of crap here that looks like that. It's not just here, of course, it's all over the internet, but still. A place for BW fans should at least need to be somewhat civil, shouldn't it?
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Post by linksocarina on Jun 11, 2018 19:25:55 GMT
There are some threads on this board that are a civil haven of maturity. And there are others that are full of the screeching, petulant cries of toxictrolls. I'm not sure I'd want to wade through to find opinions here at all. I think it's one thing to say "Anthem doesn't look like my type of game. I wish they'd have been announcing DA4, instead. Oh well." That is an opinion. It's not a hate filled screed like "ZOMG SJWs added homosexual lootboxes to my fave gamez DIE EA/BW you suck hate hate hate hate why don't you listen to me and cater to me?!!" I see a lot of crap here that looks like that. It's not just here, of course, it's all over the internet, but still. A place for BW fans should at least need to be somewhat civil, shouldn't it? Unfortunately this is par for the course in my own experience. Over 10 years of posting that has sort of been the tone. But then again, that's nerd culture in a nutshell.
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Post by turianlannister on Jun 11, 2018 20:52:03 GMT
I was sharing a conversation with a dev [who does not work for BioWare] about how BSN (to them) appeared to be a forum full of, well let's say that they were reminded of the AskAGameDev article about online forums, in which forum members are described as often being 'trolls and zealots'. This remark was caused by their disappointment in what they perceived was a strongly negative reaction to Anthem on this forum If they don't work for Bioware why do they care so much about Anthem getting a negative reaction?
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Post by Iakus on Jun 11, 2018 21:14:19 GMT
I was sharing a conversation with a dev [who does not work for BioWare] about how BSN (to them) appeared to be a forum full of, well let's say that they were reminded of the AskAGameDev article about online forums, in which forum members are described as often being 'trolls and zealots'. This remark was caused by their disappointment in what they perceived was a strongly negative reaction to Anthem on this forum.
Do you feel that's true? Here are my 2 cents, directed at the "trolls and zealots" categorization, which I find offensive. The experience a game offers is, to many people, a lived experience. When people see or hear that a new BioWare game is coming out, there are expectations for that new game based upon past games. They have memories of their champions and heroes, their loves and lost friends; they want to experience something like that again. Instead, BioWare is trying to remake a part of itself as an action studio. No one asked for this from BioWare. No one wanted this from BioWare. It is inevitable that the salt will flow. And as there are further reveals (like the fact that Anthem is always online), the flow of salt and negativity will increase, not decrease. This is because BioWare now tiptoes around their new game launches, never revealing anything meaningful, allowing users to create their own expectations via surmise. And when these expectations are disappointed, the salt flow increases again. BioWare makes no attempt to control the perception of their upcoming games, and it's cheap / naive to blame users for coming to their own conclusions. To categorize the users who populate forums as "trolls and zealots" fundamentally misunderstands the people who play these games. Attitudes like that are how games developers lose their audience. "But we tried to listen to the fans with Mass Effect Andromeda, and most fans hated that game!" Because Mass Effect Andromeda, while not a bad game, tried to re-capture past magic by copying it, instead of trying to find or make its own. The trolling, the anger, comes from a sense of disappointment. People are having to say goodbye to the "old BioWare." The ones who post loudest and longest are the ones who have the hardest time letting go. Perhaps because they know that BioWare has not found a new audience to replace the audience they're leaving behind, which spells oblivion for the studio. So they kick, and scream, and hope that someone, somewhere at BioWare will wake up and realize that complete reinvention isn't necessary, that the old audience is still there, waiting to be thrilled once again by the sorts of adventures, relationships, and pixelated friends that BioWare has brought us in the past. Trolls and zealots? Lol. Gtfo. Sorry. That really pisses me off.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 11, 2018 21:18:45 GMT
If they don't work for Bioware why do they care so much about Anthem getting a negative reaction? They used to so I guess they felt empathy with their ex-colleagues. I can respect that, I don't want to get into the dev's circumstances particularly.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 11, 2018 21:43:24 GMT
LOL they keep making their games against their fans wishes, I mean, they ask for feedback and they get it but yet they don’t use it and make their games the EXACT opposite of what their fans want and then when their fans complains, they can’t seem to understand? They call us toxic? LOL again. They should start to actually LISTEN to us instead, maybe just maybe making a game based on the feedback received for once ( or since the “old days”) would turn things around for both them and us their loyal fans through many years who BUY their games which in the end results to them making money... No offense but I think MEA failed because they listened entirely too much to their fans...who I think are the issue, because what you want is not necessarily what I want, which is not what another wants. And in the attempt to placate everyone they end up satisfying no one (or very few anyways). If you asked ten people how Bio should prioritize their development resources you may very well get ten different answers. It must be a frustrating place to be. Glad I don't have their job.
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