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Post by Label07 on Jun 16, 2018 3:37:38 GMT
I and others would like the play the demo showcased at E3, that is a given.
Getting hands on will allow those of us that really care (users on this forum) and would like to leave feedback the opportunity those at E3 have already had.
I want this game to be great, and the Destiny killer. You now also have more competition in the form of 'The Division 2'.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 16, 2018 10:19:29 GMT
I and others would like the play the demo showcased at E3, that is a given. Getting hands on will allow those of us that really care ( users on this forum) and would like to leave feedback the opportunity those at E3 have already had. I want this game to be great, and the Destiny killer. You now also have more competition in the form of 'The Division 2'. Well some of us care. At least as many just want to torch anything that isn't DA/ME or "traditional" Bioware games (which apparently means a dozen cuddle options). Demo would be nice but I'd rather be able to beta test to provide more active feedback down the line.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jun 16, 2018 12:24:17 GMT
If I were Bioware, this would be the last place I would go for reviews or feedback. There's some constructive criticism and feedback, sure, but that so easily gets drowned out by the persistent hate group that craps on everything that isn't Mass Effect 2.5, Dragon Age 4 (but not like Inquisition!!) or KOTOR 3.
If it were possible they should probably keep their new games a secret from this forum until they launch. Reddit, too.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 16, 2018 12:50:59 GMT
I'm sure we'll be covering how the Demo goes on this forum at some length.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 16, 2018 13:02:16 GMT
There is no way they would give everyone on a specific message board beta access. At best there would be a limited number of invites given to the administration if they think it would drive interest in the game and not just being bumming around in the game.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Jun 16, 2018 13:22:17 GMT
Well I wouldn’t mind being able to play a demo, I’ll admit that. At least it’ll give me a better idea of how the game will be like, no matter what I think in my mind right now, it’s still something else to try it instead of having all these different imaginations.
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Post by goishen on Jun 16, 2018 14:11:47 GMT
This forum is not related to BioWare at all, and I doubt that any of BioWare still reads this forum.
Course, watch A_RANDOM_GUY pop out of the woodwork and prove me wrong.
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Post by Label07 on Jun 16, 2018 14:44:32 GMT
This forum is not related to BioWare at all, and I doubt that any of BioWare still reads this forum. Course, watch A_RANDOM_GUY pop out of the woodwork and prove me wrong. Why do people ALWAYS go off topic on this forum? This has nothing to do with what I posted. There are threads showing SofaJockey has contact with members of Bioware, so your post is asinine. Back to the topic; Do you want a demo or not? If not, why? I think developers need to be more open with their communities, help shape the game before it launches. How many times have we seen games release and there is backlash (always will be) that could have been avoided if the developers were to listen to their community and implement. Then years later after DLC and patches the game starts becoming what the community originally asked for. The more content, game play, alpha, beta, the better it will be for the production of Anthem. Much harder to give educated feedback when a person has not had hands on.
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Post by Label07 on Jun 16, 2018 14:47:32 GMT
There is no way they would give everyone on a specific message board beta access. At best there would be a limited number of invites given to the administration if they think it would drive interest in the game and not just being bumming around in the game. I didn't say beta, E3 was a demo, and those of us on this forum should be proof enough we are more interested than the average person. When I say "this forum" I mean: ANTHEM GENERAL DISCUSSION, not everyone on all the forums.
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Post by goishen on Jun 16, 2018 14:56:25 GMT
This forum is not related to BioWare at all, and I doubt that any of BioWare still reads this forum. Course, watch A_RANDOM_GUY pop out of the woodwork and prove me wrong. Why do people ALWAYS go off topic on this forum? This has nothing to do with what I posted. There are threads showing SofaJockey has contact with members of Bioware, so your post is asinine. Back to the topic; Do you want a demo or not? If not, why? I think developers need to be more open with their communities, help shape the game before it launches. How many times have we seen games release and there is backlash (always will be) that could have been avoided if the developers were to listen to their community and implement. Then years later after DLC and patches the game starts becoming what the community originally asked for. The more content, game play, alpha, beta, the better it will be for the production of Anthem. Much harder to give educated feedback when a person has not had hands on. So, just because some mod has contacts at BioWare, that means that all of BioWare automatically reads them? wat? Holy fuck. And about the demo, I could give a shit less. It's a freakin' demo.
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Post by bshep on Jun 16, 2018 14:58:29 GMT
If I were Bioware, this would be the last place I would go for reviews or feedback. There's some constructive criticism and feedback, sure, but that so easily gets drowned out by the persistent hate group that craps on everything that isn't Mass Effect 2.5, Dragon Age 4 (but not like Inquisition!!) or KOTOR 3. If it were possible they should probably keep their new games a secret from this forum until they launch. Reddit, too. True.
That being said maybe someone here who signed the newsletter will get luck and get the demo.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Jun 16, 2018 15:16:48 GMT
If I were Bioware, this would be the last place I would go for reviews or feedback. There's some constructive criticism and feedback, sure, but that so easily gets drowned out by the persistent hate group that craps on everything that isn't Mass Effect 2.5, Dragon Age 4 (but not like Inquisition!!) or KOTOR 3. If it were possible they should probably keep their new games a secret from this forum until they launch. Reddit, too. On the contrary, most of their fans and forumites from the real bsn moved on to this place, this is actually one of the better places to look and one of the less toxic places. Have you tried looking at one of the other so called none official forums? Their mods allow trashing one another and REAL toxic behavior, there’s no one stopping bad behavior there. Here at least the mods are decent and they let us talk and exchange our viewpoints in a peaceful way before things gets out of hands.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 16, 2018 15:40:19 GMT
There is no way they would give everyone on a specific message board beta access. At best there would be a limited number of invites given to the administration if they think it would drive interest in the game and not just being bumming around in the game. I didn't say beta, E3 was a demo, and those of us on this forum should be proof enough we are more interested than the average person. When I say "this forum" I mean: ANTHEM GENERAL DISCUSSION, not everyone on all the forums. That E3 demo is something I doubt would be available for the general public outside of a controlled situation for it would have been BioWare and EA rushing to make sure it works and not have the measures needed for mass downloading for public use. Not to mention it is probably months behind where they current are in development. I still think any general forum even if just dedicated to Anthem is too broad of access unless they think its going to help them and not just hurt them for how to do segregate people from the list of people that view content here daily and not post (I cannot remember the numbers, but from what *Jockey posts its would be a lot of people). People who sign up for the newsletter are probably just as interested as a lot of folks around here are for I know people that refuse to be part of online communities anymore based on how they were treated by "fans" and are just as interested in Anthem as I am.
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Post by rras1994 on Jun 16, 2018 15:40:46 GMT
If I were Bioware, this would be the last place I would go for reviews or feedback. There's some constructive criticism and feedback, sure, but that so easily gets drowned out by the persistent hate group that craps on everything that isn't Mass Effect 2.5, Dragon Age 4 (but not like Inquisition!!) or KOTOR 3. If it were possible they should probably keep their new games a secret from this forum until they launch. Reddit, too. On the contrary, most of their fans and forumites from the real bsn moved on to this place, this is actually one of the better places to look and one of the less toxic places. Have you tried looking at one of the other so called none official forums? Their mods allow trashing one another and REAL toxic behavior, there’s no one stopping bad behavior there. Here at least the mods are decent and they let us talk and exchange our viewpoints in a peaceful way before things gets out of hands. The people who write on forums are a small, niche part of the gamers/consumers. Using them as a basis of feedback doesn't work very well as it's really hard to apply their wants on what the overall community want. Using this forum as feedback for Anthem which is a coop RPG designed to try something new, when this forum's users mainly care about only single player non-online stuff and alot prefer hardcore old school RPG gameplay which the average consumer doesn't like anymore, would be a terrible idea.
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Post by Label07 on Jun 16, 2018 15:54:29 GMT
Why do people ALWAYS go off topic on this forum? This has nothing to do with what I posted. There are threads showing SofaJockey has contact with members of Bioware, so your post is asinine. Back to the topic; Do you want a demo or not? If not, why? I think developers need to be more open with their communities, help shape the game before it launches. How many times have we seen games release and there is backlash (always will be) that could have been avoided if the developers were to listen to their community and implement. Then years later after DLC and patches the game starts becoming what the community originally asked for. The more content, game play, alpha, beta, the better it will be for the production of Anthem. Much harder to give educated feedback when a person has not had hands on. So, just because some mod has contacts at BioWare, that means that all of BioWare automatically reads them? wat? Holy fuck. And about the demo, I could give a shit less. It's a freakin' demo. Never stated or insinuated Bioware automatically read or has constant contact with Sofa, that is a conclusion you drew. Stated there was evidence there is communication there. You have made your stance clear. You don't seem to want a demo meant for constructive purposes, so why are you being toxic on this thread? There was no intelligent reasoning to why there should not be a demo; "And about the demo, I could give a shit less. It's a freakin' demo.". Same could be said for an alpha, beta, if you don't care, why are you here? I don't want to start a pointless word battle here, just don't understand why a person would even bother posting a reply if they don't have something constructive to say.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Jun 16, 2018 15:54:55 GMT
On the contrary, most of their fans and forumites from the real bsn moved on to this place, this is actually one of the better places to look and one of the less toxic places. Have you tried looking at one of the other so called none official forums? Their mods allow trashing one another and REAL toxic behavior, there’s no one stopping bad behavior there. Here at least the mods are decent and they let us talk and exchange our viewpoints in a peaceful way before things gets out of hands. The people who write on forums are a small, niche part of the gamers/consumers. Using them as a basis of feedback doesn't work very well as it's really hard to apply their wants on what the overall community want. Using this forum as feedback for Anthem which is a coop RPG designed to try something new, when this forum's users mainly care about only single player non-online stuff and alot prefer hardcore old school RPG gameplay which the average consumer doesn't like anymore, would be a terrible idea. But that’s not true. We still have a mp section here, I in fact used to be a huge part of it myself, I played a lot of mp in the old days and I know for a fact that a lot of those mp players from the official bsn are posting in this forum, they aren’t here for the rpg elements of the games. Yeah not all gamers from here represent them but I still wouldn’t dismiss this place, especially not since the official Bioware forum isn’t here anymore. Twitter is one big mess, I’ve tried posting there and I gave up immediately, Facebook, yeah don’t even try, so this place is probably the best place, then there’s maybe Reddit idk.
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Post by Label07 on Jun 16, 2018 16:03:13 GMT
On the contrary, most of their fans and forumites from the real bsn moved on to this place, this is actually one of the better places to look and one of the less toxic places. Have you tried looking at one of the other so called none official forums? Their mods allow trashing one another and REAL toxic behavior, there’s no one stopping bad behavior there. Here at least the mods are decent and they let us talk and exchange our viewpoints in a peaceful way before things gets out of hands. The people who write on forums are a small, niche part of the gamers/consumers. Using them as a basis of feedback doesn't work very well as it's really hard to apply their wants on what the overall community want. Using this forum as feedback for Anthem which is a coop RPG designed to try something new, when this forum's users mainly care about only single player non-online stuff and alot prefer hardcore old school RPG gameplay which the average consumer doesn't like anymore, would be a terrible idea. For sure, as with all games and developers not every idea is worthy of implementation. There are however a lot of useful posts and ideas that should be highlighted. In the end Bioware is going to make the game in the image of their vision. There is a fine line between making a game they want and a game players want, you don't want to sway to much to either of those sides. I keep hearing, beta, beta, beta, when? How long will that be till that releases? 2 months before launch when nothing we say could possibly be integrated? This is why it is of the utmost importance to constantly stream content/updates to at least those that are the most interested (users of this forum, maybe newsletter). The E3 demo would be a good start...
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Post by rras1994 on Jun 16, 2018 16:24:10 GMT
The people who write on forums are a small, niche part of the gamers/consumers. Using them as a basis of feedback doesn't work very well as it's really hard to apply their wants on what the overall community want. Using this forum as feedback for Anthem which is a coop RPG designed to try something new, when this forum's users mainly care about only single player non-online stuff and alot prefer hardcore old school RPG gameplay which the average consumer doesn't like anymore, would be a terrible idea. But that’s not true. We still have a mp section here, I in fact used to be a huge part of it myself, I played a lot of mp in the old days and I know for a fact that a lot of those mp players from the official bsn are posting in this forum, they aren’t here for the rpg elements of the games. Yeah not all gamers from here represent them but I still wouldn’t dismiss this place, especially not since the official Bioware forum isn’t here anymore. Twitter is one big mess, I’ve tried posting there and I gave up immediately, Facebook, yeah don’t even try, so this place is probably the best place, then there’s maybe Reddit idk. Twitter, reddit, forums, facebook, all those messages total to less than 5% of your consumer base. Social media is a great way for devs to easily give out info, it's terrible for recieving it cus the fan ratio is really screwed up. How do devs now get feedback? They do it the way all the big tech companies find out about you, they collect your games data, and if it's anything like what Facebook and Google can tell about you, it's telling them alot more about how their consumers game then you think. I mean i sure devs do like looking at fans comments and ideas, in general people showing interest in your work is a morale boaster, but I'm still not convinced that it would be a good idea to put a large amount of weight behind the feedback on social media, specially if it disagrees with what your data is suggesting. Plus I think overall fan feedback is generally confusing as there is very rarely a concencise on anything, and most consumers (and I definetly include myself in that) know so little about game dev, that their suggestions are unlikely to be realistic or helpful.
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Post by goishen on Jun 16, 2018 16:52:09 GMT
So, just because some mod has contacts at BioWare, that means that all of BioWare automatically reads them? wat? Holy fuck. And about the demo, I could give a shit less. It's a freakin' demo. Never stated or insinuated Bioware automatically read or has constant contact with Sofa, that is a conclusion you drew. Stated there was evidence there is communication there. You have made your stance clear. You don't seem to want a demo meant for constructive purposes, so why are you being toxic on this thread? There was no intelligent reasoning to why there should not be a demo; "And about the demo, I could give a shit less. It's a freakin' demo.". Same could be said for an alpha, beta, if you don't care, why are you here? I don't want to start a pointless word battle here, just don't understand why a person would even bother posting a reply if they don't have something constructive to say. First of all... I'm gonna take you through a timeline of this. 1. You post a thread begging BioWare for a demo. 2. I post something which says that BioWare isn't even reading this thread. 3. You post something stating that one of the mods is still in contact with BioWare, implying that BioWare still reads this thread and meanwhile putting me down in the process, stating that I was going offtopic. 4. Then I take it the other way, and say that just because some random mod has contact with those people at BioWare, that automatically assumes that they still read read the forums. 5. You deridingly and extremely hostilely with passive aggressiveness said that never stated that people at BioWare did read this forum. When you clearly thought that they did, or maybe you should go back and re-read number 1? Look dude. If the mods won't take care of you... I will. I know how to get people like you out of my face. It's either give me what you did say with both barrels, or STFU. It's not an alpha. It's not a beta. It's a demo.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Jun 16, 2018 16:58:58 GMT
But that’s not true. We still have a mp section here, I in fact used to be a huge part of it myself, I played a lot of mp in the old days and I know for a fact that a lot of those mp players from the official bsn are posting in this forum, they aren’t here for the rpg elements of the games. Yeah not all gamers from here represent them but I still wouldn’t dismiss this place, especially not since the official Bioware forum isn’t here anymore. Twitter is one big mess, I’ve tried posting there and I gave up immediately, Facebook, yeah don’t even try, so this place is probably the best place, then there’s maybe Reddit idk. Twitter, reddit, forums, facebook, all those messages total to less than 5% of your consumer base. Social media is a great way for devs to easily give out info, it's terrible for recieving it cus the fan ratio is really screwed up. How do devs now get feedback? They do it the way all the big tech companies find out about you, they collect your games data, and if it's anything like what Facebook and Google can tell about you, it's telling them alot more about how their consumers game then you think. I mean i sure devs do like looking at fans comments and ideas, in general people showing interest in your work is a morale boaster, but I'm still not convinced that it would be a good idea to put a large amount of weight behind the feedback on social media, specially if it disagrees with what your data is suggesting. Plus I think overall fan feedback is generally confusing as there is very rarely a concencise on anything, and most consumers (and I definetly include myself in that) know so little about game dev, that their suggestions are unlikely to be realistic or helpful.
Well yeah that’s what I said too, that Facebook, Twitter and Reddit etc aren’t the best places to look for feedback but I do however still think that this forum is a good place to go for that, cause although they can collect game data it isn’t the same thing as getting verbal feedback and perhaps even communicating directly with their fans (like in old times, around 2012 or so). If they don’t even look here for feedback and don’t use those other sites either, then no wonder they’re out of touch with their fan base wishes.
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Post by rras1994 on Jun 16, 2018 17:07:02 GMT
Twitter, reddit, forums, facebook, all those messages total to less than 5% of your consumer base. Social media is a great way for devs to easily give out info, it's terrible for recieving it cus the fan ratio is really screwed up. How do devs now get feedback? They do it the way all the big tech companies find out about you, they collect your games data, and if it's anything like what Facebook and Google can tell about you, it's telling them alot more about how their consumers game then you think. I mean i sure devs do like looking at fans comments and ideas, in general people showing interest in your work is a morale boaster, but I'm still not convinced that it would be a good idea to put a large amount of weight behind the feedback on social media, specially if it disagrees with what your data is suggesting. Plus I think overall fan feedback is generally confusing as there is very rarely a concencise on anything, and most consumers (and I definetly include myself in that) know so little about game dev, that their suggestions are unlikely to be realistic or helpful.
Well yeah that’s what I said too, that Facebook, Twitter and Reddit etc aren’t the best places to look for feedback but I do however still think that this forum is a good place to go for that, cause although they can collect game data it isn’t the same thing as getting verbal feedback and perhaps even communicating directly with their fans (like in old times, around 2012 or so). If they don’t even look here for feedback and don’t use those other sites either, then no wonder they’re out of touch with their fan base wishes. This place is the niche of the niche, it's not a good place compared to the other two - the other two would at least have a larger amount of that 5%. I never said they didn't look at forums/social media, I said they aren't the best place for feedback and you would have to take them with a really heavy pinch of salt. I don't see how they are out of touch with their fan bases wishes either, but you seem to take this place as a good basis for what their fanbase thinks, and it really isn't, so perhaps it's not surprising that you think that.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Jun 16, 2018 17:20:25 GMT
Well yeah that’s what I said too, that Facebook, Twitter and Reddit etc aren’t the best places to look for feedback but I do however still think that this forum is a good place to go for that, cause although they can collect game data it isn’t the same thing as getting verbal feedback and perhaps even communicating directly with their fans (like in old times, around 2012 or so). If they don’t even look here for feedback and don’t use those other sites either, then no wonder they’re out of touch with their fan base wishes. This place is the niche of the niche, it's not a good place compared to the other two - the other two would at least have a larger amount of that 5%. I never said they didn't look at forums/social media, I said they aren't the best place for feedback and you would have to take them with a really heavy pinch of salt. I don't see how they are out of touch with their fan bases wishes either, but you seem to take this place as a good basis for what their fanbase thinks, and it really isn't, so perhaps it's not surprising that you think that. Well I think we are a good representation of their fan base, just because we don’t all love Anthem it doesn’t mean that we aren’t good enough to be their fans, on the contrary, it’s good that we have different opinions so that we can discuss the flaws and positive sides of the games and company all together. Problem with the game data collection thing is that a lot of young kids will pick Anthem up because it might be a Destiny clone, I’m not saying it will be that for certain, it might, and therefore when they collect game data they’ll only get the data representation based on their data and ofc also some of the few fans who actually enjoys that kind of game but they won’t get to know that their actual fans aren’t buying their games or Anthem because of it’s style, so the collecting is based on new customers or “fans” and not their real fans. Don’t know if I could explain it right. That’s why I think it’s important to look at places like this forum where their actual fans are posting.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jun 16, 2018 17:31:13 GMT
Alright, let's dial it back and calm the fuck down. While it's true that the "unofficial" part of this BSN is very much front and center and BioWare devs are not currently active here (and even if they were, they're under no requirement to check in with us), there's no reason not to discuss desirable ideas for increased communication and feedback and maybe a nice perk or two for some fans participating. As long as all parties understand that there's absolutely nothing here guaranteeing such will be the case, what's the harm in chatting about it? For what it's worth, the mod team is always looking into keeping ties with BioWare and encouraging devs to post here. It'd still be nice to interact with them, even if it won't be like the old days. Apart from our separate status, a good point has been raised that forums are not terribly efficient at providing useable feedback. So even if a dev or two start posting here, I'd recommend viewing that as less "oh we'll totally be able to tell them what we want and they'll definitely make it happen" and more "we may get a bonus, limited inside POV at some aspects of the game and its production and be able to react to that in some sense". If anything, treat this like meeting a favorite artist or creator at a convention: you're able to show appreciation and maybe ask question or two before time's up and they have to go. Only difference is you can't get shit autographed
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Jun 16, 2018 17:36:55 GMT
Uhhhmmm... I’m confused... who’s not calm here? Did someone report me? We or I was just discussing or so I thought at least.... BIG LOL. Talk about being sensitive
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