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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 2, 2019 23:09:28 GMT
Regarding the topic in the spoilers: I warned you! I said when we saw him, Haluk, and Faye the first time before the game came out that something seemed wrong about him and I didn't like or trust him, but no everyone thought I was being too judgmental and how he was a good guy.
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Post by Sah291 on Mar 3, 2019 2:09:14 GMT
Regarding the topic in the spoilers: I warned you! I said when we saw him, Haluk, and Faye the first time before the game came out that something seemed wrong about him and I didn't like or trust him, but no everyone thought I was being too judgmental and how he was a good guy. Yeah. To be honest, he gives off all the "shifty character" vibes...and I know Bioware likes the "ally that stabs you in the back" trope. But I thought maybe I was just being paranoid and they would go a different direction.
Regardless, he brings some much needed conflict/drama to the plot.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 3, 2019 19:28:46 GMT
Regarding the topic in the spoilers: I warned you! I said when we saw him, Haluk, and Faye the first time before the game came out that something seemed wrong about him and I didn't like or trust him, but no everyone thought I was being too judgmental and how he was a good guy. Yeah. To be honest, he gives off all the "shifty character" vibes...and I know Bioware likes the "ally that stabs you in the back" trope. But I thought maybe I was just being paranoid and they would go a different direction.
Regardless, he brings some much needed conflict/drama to the plot. Bioware wasn't really hiding that things were going to get dicey - I expected tension to erupt into something, but I can't say I expected him to do what he did I don't think however that this is the end of drama though. This is likely not the last time we saw Owen and I wouldn't be surprised if there was some showdown between him and Faye, or Faye and Haluk.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Mar 3, 2019 19:59:27 GMT
Yeah. To be honest, he gives off all the "shifty character" vibes...and I know Bioware likes the "ally that stabs you in the back" trope. But I thought maybe I was just being paranoid and they would go a different direction.
Regardless, he brings some much needed conflict/drama to the plot. Bioware wasn't really hiding that things were going to get dicey - I expected tension to erupt into something, but I can't say I expected him to do what he did I don't think however that this is the end of drama though. This is likely not the last time we saw Owen and I wouldn't be surprised if there was some showdown between him and Faye, or Faye and Haluk. I hope we get to see him again. He was one of the few characters I found interesting. I'd take him back as my cypher in a heartbeat. All is forgiven.
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Post by Sah291 on Mar 3, 2019 21:23:27 GMT
Oh I agree @midnight tea & OhDaniGirl ... I think he will pop back up in future story content. Maybe it's the giant flying robots genre, but he came off as a typical shonen manga rival to me, rather than an outright evil.
And I also preferred him over Faye. Mostly because I thought he better sold the idea of the call of the Anthem being somewhat temping and dangerous for Cyphers. I was never really worried Faye would fail or betray the team.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 3, 2019 23:16:43 GMT
Oh I agree @midnight tea & OhDaniGirl ... I think he will pop back up in future story content. Maybe it's the giant flying robots genre, but he came off as a typical shonen manga rival to me, rather than an outright evil.
And I also preferred him over Faye. Mostly because I thought he better sold the idea of the call of the Anthem being somewhat temping and dangerous for Cyphers. I was never really worried Faye would fail or betray the team.
True, though I think his actions stem more from personal issues rather than call of Anthem. He was deeply upset/paranoid at being sidelined by someone he considered a friend and potentially a mentor, in a similar way he was a young kid when he was basically given up by parents to Cypher academy. There's some unresolved emotional baggage there, exacerbated by the fact that Owen is unable to talk how he really feels (as detailed in the letter), instead masking his feelings with humor - and that is entirely aside from however being a Cypher broke him (though that as well may be a desire to prove himself to the point of recklessness, if such a thing can be specified at all).
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Post by Sah291 on Mar 4, 2019 0:11:36 GMT
Oh I agree @midnight tea & OhDaniGirl ... I think he will pop back up in future story content. Maybe it's the giant flying robots genre, but he came off as a typical shonen manga rival to me, rather than an outright evil.
And I also preferred him over Faye. Mostly because I thought he better sold the idea of the call of the Anthem being somewhat temping and dangerous for Cyphers. I was never really worried Faye would fail or betray the team.
True, though I think his actions stem more from personal issues rather than call of Anthem. He was deeply upset/paranoid at being sidelined by someone he considered a friend and potentially a mentor, in a similar way he was a young kid when he was basically given up by parents to Cypher academy. There's some unresolved emotional baggage there, exacerbated by the fact that Owen is unable to talk how he really feels (as detailed in the letter), instead of masking his feelings with humor - and that is entirely aside from however being a Cypher broke him (though that as well may be a desire to prove himself to the point of recklessness, if such a thing can be specified at all). Yep, the letter was pretty frustrating, especially reading it after the fact and learning Faye/Haluk shot him down and wouldn't even talk after they joined. Not that it excuses it, but it wasn't surprising he'd bail after that.
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Post by Shinobu on Mar 4, 2019 15:09:22 GMT
There is a conversation between two women who are crushing on Owen that is priceless. Also the way they stare blankly at you when the conversation is over just makes it that much more uncomfortable.
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Post by Vortex13 on Mar 4, 2019 15:19:15 GMT
True, though I think his actions stem more from personal issues rather than call of Anthem. He was deeply upset/paranoid at being sidelined by someone he considered a friend and potentially a mentor, in a similar way he was a young kid when he was basically given up by parents to Cypher academy. There's some unresolved emotional baggage there, exacerbated by the fact that Owen is unable to talk how he really feels (as detailed in the letter), instead of masking his feelings with humor - and that is entirely aside from however being a Cypher broke him (though that as well may be a desire to prove himself to the point of recklessness, if such a thing can be specified at all). Yep, the letter was pretty frustrating, especially reading it after the fact and learning Faye/Haluk shot him down and wouldn't even talk after they joined. Not that it excuses it, but it wasn't surprising he'd bail after that. Well yeah, but the reason Faye and Haluk didn't talk to Owen is because the first thing he does when met them was to insert himself on their strider, steal Haluk's javelin, and then proceed to almost die fighting the Dominion troops. From their perspective he's an inexperienced idiot who charges into situations regardless of input from others. Why would they think it prudent to include such a person in something as vital as finding a way to stop the Heart of Rage?
The fact that he later acts all passive aggressive towards the them and the PC would further reinforce their belief that Owen is immature and can't be trusted with such matters.
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Post by Sah291 on Mar 4, 2019 15:44:10 GMT
There is a conversation between two women who are crushing on Owen that is priceless. Also the way they stare blankly at you when the conversation is over just makes it that much more uncomfortable. Yes, I caught that one, pretty funny... Vortex13Oh I agree it makes sense from their perspective. Plus Faye and Haluk don't really know Owen, so they are just doing what they think is right in the moment. But when you have someone already feeling unwelcome, who is maybe a little impulsive, and then shut them out of the team completely, of course he was going to find little reason to work with everyone. Freelancer should have stepped in, IMO... I don't think he would have had any reason to leave otherwise.
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Post by Vortex13 on Mar 4, 2019 15:59:58 GMT
Vortex13 Oh I agree it makes sense from their perspective. Plus Faye and Haluk don't really know Owen, so they are just doing what they think is right in the moment. But when you have someone already feeling unwelcome, who is maybe a little impulsive, and then shut them out of the team completely, of course he was going to find little reason to work with everyone. Freelancer should have stepped in, IMO... I don't think he would have had any reason to leave otherwise.
I disagree, I thought our Freelancer was entirely justified on calling out Owen for his stupidity with the whole javelin stunt, especially since Owen had already completely ignored our advice/warnings concerning the leaving of Fort Tarsis to go to the meet up. The fact that Owen completely blows you off when you try and talk to him afterwards, instead proceeding to sulk in a corner, doesn't do anything to help matters either. The Freelancer had more important things to deal with at the moment than trying to deal with Owen's emotional baggage and Owen should have realized that just because our PC wasn't fawning over him ever moment of every day that he was suddenly not his friend anymore; previous emotional baggage or not.
Really, I took Owen's explanation of his childhood experiences to be more of a copout rather than a legitimate excuse. He came across more like a petulant six year old than a dynamic character. The whole attitude that he would only be our friend as long as he was the center of attention and as long as he got to do what he wanted, and as long as he received nothing but praise for his actions.
If he was truly our Freelancer's friend then he wouldn't have decided that stabbing us in the back and stealing the Legion of Dawn armor was even remotely a plausible scenario. (IMO)
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Post by Sah291 on Mar 4, 2019 16:25:22 GMT
Vortex13 Oh I agree it makes sense from their perspective. Plus Faye and Haluk don't really know Owen, so they are just doing what they think is right in the moment. But when you have someone already feeling unwelcome, who is maybe a little impulsive, and then shut them out of the team completely, of course he was going to find little reason to work with everyone. Freelancer should have stepped in, IMO... I don't think he would have had any reason to leave otherwise.
I disagree, I thought our Freelancer was entirely justified on calling out Owen for his stupidity with the whole javelin stunt, especially since Owen had already completely ignored our advice/warnings concerning the leaving of Fort Tarsis to go to the meet up. The fact that Owen completely blows you off when you try and talk to him afterwards, instead proceeding to sulk in a corner, doesn't do anything to help matters either. The Freelancer had more important things to deal with at the moment than trying to deal with Owen's emotional baggage and Owen should have realized that just because our PC wasn't fawning over him ever moment of every day that he was suddenly not his friend anymore; previous emotional baggage or not.
Really, I took Owen's explanation of his childhood experiences to be more of a copout rather than a legitimate excuse. He came across more like a petulant six year old than a dynamic character. The whole attitude that he would only be our friend as long as he was the center of attention and as long as he got to do what he wanted, and as long as he received nothing but praise for his actions.
If he was truly our Freelancer's friend then he wouldn't have decided that stabbing us in the back and stealing the Legion of Dawn armor was even remotely a plausible scenario. (IMO)
That's fair. I just see it as more a case of unintended consequences...the whole thing is a mess. Owen was acting childish and had emotional baggage, sure. Freelancer was distracted with other issues and also upset about the earlier incident. Faye and Haluk had no reason to trust Owen, etc. It was just frustrating because it didn't seem inevitable. Joining up with the Dominion is going a little far, but Owen was talking about how he wanted to stay and live at Fort Tarsis just before that.
It's a little vague whether Owen and the Freelancer were friends or just working together. You can tell Tassyn you teamed up just because you were looking for work and you would have worked with anyone willing at that point. But you can also tell Owen you are friends in one convo. So we might assume they weren't really friends (yet) but could have been.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Mar 4, 2019 17:54:52 GMT
There is a conversation between two women who are crushing on Owen that is priceless. Also the way they stare blankly at you when the conversation is over just makes it that much more uncomfortable. What?! I must have missed that one. You remember where they are?
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Post by Shinobu on Mar 4, 2019 23:25:32 GMT
There is a conversation between two women who are crushing on Owen that is priceless. Also the way they stare blankly at you when the conversation is over just makes it that much more uncomfortable. What?! I must have missed that one. You remember where they are? They were in the double-doored "airlock" between the market and the fountain area (where Neeson usually stands). They didn't show up until the end of the act, so you might not have had the chance to see them yet depending on where you are in the story.
They sound a bit like forumites discussing their favorite NPC.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 5, 2019 0:36:53 GMT
They sound a bit like forumites discussing their favorite NPC. I have no doubt that this is gentle fan ribbing ;P
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Post by bshep on Mar 5, 2019 3:25:06 GMT
Having finished the main quest this is my impression of Owen. There are a few things i want to point out about how Owen acted.
First his stunt trying to fly a regulator javelin without training and against everyone's advice. The way he had no qualms about betraying someone he was working closely for the past two years just to fast track his own ambition of flying a javelin with no regards to the consequences his actions may have on others, plus how insincere his "apology" looks like when he meet the Freelance again at the Fortress of Dawn. Then how he only saved Haluk so that The Freelancer would be more willing to hear him out before shooting and finally how quick he was to turn on the dominion and pit his newest allies against his older ones just for some dose of revenge.
I remember during the beggining of the game Owen talked about how every cypher was broken in some way by their training to learn how to listen to the anthem of creation but when asked by the Freelancer how he was broken by his training Owen avoid answering the question.
After all his actions I get the feeling that Owen lacks empathy coupled with a narcisistic personality, he did enjoyed being the center of the Freelancer's attention until Faye and Haluk join the party.
So perhaps that was how he was broken by his training or he was always like that.
Anyway i fully expect to see him in the future, he completely feels more a antagonist in the making than the Monitor, who was just a cypher addicted to the Anthem and looking for the next fix.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 13, 2019 18:44:17 GMT
Having finished the main quest this is my impression of Owen. There are a few things i want to point out about how Owen acted.
First his stunt trying to fly a regulator javelin without training and against everyone's advice. The way he had no qualms about betraying someone he was working closely for the past two years just to fast track his own ambition of flying a javelin with no regards to the consequences his actions may have on others, plus how insincere his "apology" looks like when he meet the Freelance again at the Fortress of Dawn. Then how he only saved Haluk so that The Freelancer would be more willing to hear him out before shooting and finally how quick he was to turn on the dominion and pit his newest allies against his older ones just for some dose of revenge.
I remember during the beggining of the game Owen talked about how every cypher was broken in some way by their training to learn how to listen to the anthem of creation but when asked by the Freelancer how he was broken by his training Owen avoid answering the question.
After all his actions I get the feeling that Owen lacks empathy coupled with a narcisistic personality, he did enjoyed being the center of the Freelancer's attention until Faye and Haluk join the party.
So perhaps that was how he was broken by his training or he was always like that.
Anyway i fully expect to see him in the future, he completely feels more a antagonist in the making than the Monitor, who was just a cypher addicted to the Anthem and looking for the next fix. The question now is, as someone who finished the main plot, what do you see in his future?
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Post by legbamel on Mar 16, 2019 22:07:49 GMT
Having finished the main quest this is my impression of Owen. There are a few things i want to point out about how Owen acted.
First his stunt trying to fly a regulator javelin without training and against everyone's advice. The way he had no qualms about betraying someone he was working closely for the past two years just to fast track his own ambition of flying a javelin with no regards to the consequences his actions may have on others, plus how insincere his "apology" looks like when he meet the Freelance again at the Fortress of Dawn. Then how he only saved Haluk so that The Freelancer would be more willing to hear him out before shooting and finally how quick he was to turn on the dominion and pit his newest allies against his older ones just for some dose of revenge.
I remember during the beggining of the game Owen talked about how every cypher was broken in some way by their training to learn how to listen to the anthem of creation but when asked by the Freelancer how he was broken by his training Owen avoid answering the question.
After all his actions I get the feeling that Owen lacks empathy coupled with a narcisistic personality, he did enjoyed being the center of the Freelancer's attention until Faye and Haluk join the party.
So perhaps that was how he was broken by his training or he was always like that.
Anyway i fully expect to see him in the future, he completely feels more a antagonist in the making than the Monitor, who was just a cypher addicted to the Anthem and looking for the next fix. His apology didn't strike me as insincere. He paid a pretty hefty price for his betrayal and he didn't even attempt to worm his way back into Fort Tarsis. He knows he went too far and, as much as he must regret his actions, if he gives you back the armor he's dead out there.
By the end of the main quest I was much angrier at Diggs (as I hadn't yet finished Yarrow's quest line) than I was at Owen. I feel sorry for the impulsive git. He needs a serious thrashing and then a lot of hugs. He's definitely broken but I can't help but hope that, at some point, I can get him smuggled back into a strider and snarking in my ear again.
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Post by bshep on Mar 16, 2019 22:50:22 GMT
If he was truly sorry he would have stayed to help fight the Dominion forces, instead he was more than happy to pit his new "allies" against the Freelancer while he runs to the exit. Everything he does screams premeditation to me. I do think Bioware is putting him up to be a antagonist in the future. Monitor was just a junkie wanting his next fix (like every cyoher who hears this anthem of creation) and even with the threat of the Dominion and reborn threat of the Urgoth, Bioware has a habit of making a personal nemesis to the protagonist in their games.
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Post by Sah291 on Mar 18, 2019 16:13:59 GMT
I just finished playing through the main story again, and I'm guessing the reason Owen doesn't stay to help fight after helping you is probably because...well, he is still angry and doesn't know what he wants... but I noticed something else back in Incursion (where you first encounter the Monitor). Owen is already showing signs of being compromised as a Cypher, leading enemy forces to the weapons. I'm guessing it wasn't possible to not be tracked/followed by Dominon forces (at least while the Monitor was still alive). He already knew Dominion forces were about to show up, and that's why he apologises twice and runs off.
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Post by isaidlunch on Jun 19, 2019 9:11:40 GMT
They better let me romance Owen before Anthem gets gutterstomped. Why does the best Bioware boy get stuck in such a bad game?
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