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Post by SheriffWolfpool on Aug 8, 2018 18:41:58 GMT
I might be the only one nerding out about this particular subject, so, forgive me if this goes over your head or doesn't interest you one bit. I have this obsession with knowing the training that goes into being a particular class of character. Especially ones that are inherently human with no special abilities. Every since I saw the first trailer for Anthem back in 2017, I always wondered what kind of physical training it would take to be a successful and kick ass Freelancer. I became more curious when I learned that there appears to be no AI system with the Javelins and they are built by the Freelancer themselves. Are Freelancers like NASCAR drivers? NASA astronauts? Marines? Air Force pilots? Maybe a combo of all of those? If I were to be recruited to be a Freelancer, what kinds of physical dues would I need to pay to be good at my job? - exceptional core strength (flying in general)
- mental sharpness (flying without AI)
- tactical vision i.e. knowing how to survey a battlefield for your advantage
- familiarizing yourself with your Javelin's specific weapons
Obviously, weapons training is crucial. But knowing how to fly your Javelin seems just as crucial. It also looks like Freelancers aren't really respected at the start of the game-so what would a his/her lifestyle be? These are just some of my burning questions. Please feel free to comment and converse with me about it.  Wolf |
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Post by dankafkid77 on Aug 9, 2018 5:33:29 GMT
Hey wolf, I would like to add a little bit to this theory. It seems that even with all the padding and armour the freelancers suits have they still take massive blunt force damage everywhere, even the most physically fit humans couldn't take those kind of blows. Maybe it's something like Titanfall 2 Pilots it seems like they take cellular augmentations medicinally and chemically, they built javelin's so who knows what kind of medicine they have.
(Here's a video about titan fall 2 pilots)
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Post by SheriffWolfpool on Aug 9, 2018 13:12:40 GMT
Hey wolf, I would like to add a little bit to this theory. It seems that even with all the padding and armour the freelancers suits have they still take massive blunt force damage everywhere, even the most physically fit humans couldn't take those kind of blows. Maybe it's something like Titanfall 2 Pilots it seems like they take cellular augmentations medicinally and chemically, they built javelin's so who knows what kind of medicine they have. (Here's a video about titan fall 2 pilots) Video credits to Roanoke gaming That's amazing you brought up that reference, Dank! I was thinking about the Titanfall 2 pilots as well. And I'm actually subscribed to Roanoke Gaming on YouTube lol. I've watched a couple of his videos, including this one  . I think you're right though. Even with Spartans from the Halo series. They were augmented to withstand the trauma from battles (plus speed, strength and general battle prowess) and I wouldn't be surprised if Freelancer's had a little bit of that as well. If the theory proves correct about Haluk possible being an ex-Freelancer that was injured, then maybe the augmentations would be minimal? It's a very interesting theory in itself that a Freelancer would be altered on a cellular level, but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities. We could also look at Iron Man. Tony isn't altered on any level but manages to still kick butt. So, it could be like that as well. Maybe the Javelin tech is durable and strong enough to withstand the effects of adventuring out in the world of Anthem? Wolf |
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Post by dankafkid77 on Aug 9, 2018 20:04:06 GMT
I love that you brought up iron man and the Spartans great reference. The Spartans a chemically enhanced to borderline superpowers just like captain America but haluk being injured kinda puts that theory down a few notches. I think a more likely scenario is just like in iron man's suit he takes insane blows but from all the animals we've seen so far iron man's suit wouldn't stand a chance. The javelin's must be reinforced with some rare earth metals that are exclusive to anthem.
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Post by SheriffWolfpool on Aug 10, 2018 16:31:36 GMT
I love that you brought up iron man and the Spartans great reference. The Spartans a chemically enhanced to borderline superpowers just like captain America but haluk being injured kinda puts that theory down a few notches. I think a more likely scenario is just like in iron man's suit he takes insane blows but from all the animals we've seen so far iron man's suit wouldn't stand a chance. The javelin's must be reinforced with some rare earth metals that are exclusive to anthem. I think the Iron Man suit is tougher than you realize, but the materials used to make Javelins have to be something akin to Vibranium. Or adadmantine aka Wolverine's claws/skeletal system. It can't just be steel or some other random earth metal. And, with Anthem not being set on Earth or any form of it, the devs could easily come up with something new. There's a lot to consider that would make a Freelancer a normal person like you are me...because they've already explained that you can't leave your Javelin to explore Anthem, being that it's WAY too dangerous. I think it has something to do with Shaper tech. I think the Javelins are made from some sort of Shaper material that's durable enough to withstand heavy blows and gun fire and also mobile enough to fight and explore the world of Anthem. Wolf |
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Post by dankafkid77 on Aug 10, 2018 19:04:39 GMT
Oh my I totally forgot about the shaper tech and how the suits were made by them. They most likely found a way to transfuse the shaper energy into the metal, it could maybe act like the black panther armour and keep lentil energy but the suit doesn't displace it.
They also could have found a way to enforce their bones with adadmantine or a substance like it. (It could be stronger it weaker)
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 13, 2018 5:57:10 GMT
Judging from the videos so far, Freelancers are required to have very strong and very flexible knee joints. Due to the additional joint on the Javelin's legs (probably required because the lowest segment of the legs houses the jets), a Freelancer's knees bend extremely when they run in a Javelin, and even when they're just standing around they're supporting their weight on slightly bent legs instead of standing completely straight. Seriously, just watching those running animations makes my knees hurt.  |
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Post by SheriffWolfpool on Aug 13, 2018 13:02:47 GMT
Judging from the videos so far, Freelancers are required to have very strong and very flexible knee joints. Due to the additional joint on the Javelin's legs (probably required because the lowest segment of the legs houses the jets), a Freelancer's knees bend extremely when they run in a Javelin, and even when they're just standing around they're supporting their weight on slightly bent legs instead of standing completely straight. Seriously, just watching those running animations makes my knees hurt.  LOL! I see what you mean there, Gileadan. Didn't Mark or someone on the dev team say that the Freelancer's feet stop at the "knee joint" of the Javelin? Or am I imaging that. A Javelin would be around 8-9 feet in height if that's the case and it would take the stress off of the Freelancers knee joints, too. I think strength training and consistent use of your Javelin would be the combo needed to be a stellar FL (Freelancer). Because of the run boosters/flight boosters, you would be aided with overall movement of your Javelin, but you would still need a good baseline of strength to pilot one, mostly leg and core strength. I'm so nerdy with this kind of stuff, I'm seriously contemplating creating something called FreelancerFit, lol. Wolf |
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Post by SheriffWolfpool on Aug 13, 2018 13:16:29 GMT
Oh my I totally forgot about the shaper tech and how the suits were made by them. They most likely found a way to transfuse the shaper energy into the metal, it could maybe act like the black panther armour and keep lentil energy but the suit doesn't displace it. They also could have found a way to enforce their bones with adadmantine or a substance like it. (It could be stronger it weaker) Cam It has to be Shaper tech/energy that they use or something equivalent. I like that you brought up Black Panther's suit cuz that could be a possibility. Part of me thinks that we may be over complicating the Javelin suit, too, lol. I truly believe that the Freelancers are fairly normal until they get into their Javelins. It makes me wonder if the devs/creators even thought this in-depth. #IHopeSo Wolf |
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 13, 2018 13:21:44 GMT
LOL! I see what you mean there, Gileadan. Didn't Mark or someone on the dev team say that the Freelancer's feet stop at the "knee joint" of the Javelin? Or am I imaging that. A Javelin would be around 8-9 feet in height if that's the case and it would take the stress off of the Freelancers knee joints, too. I think strength training and consistent use of your Javelin would be the combo needed to be a stellar FL (Freelancer). Because of the run boosters/flight boosters, you would be aided with overall movement of your Javelin, but you would still need a good baseline of strength to pilot one, mostly leg and core strength. I'm so nerdy with this kind of stuff, I'm seriously contemplating creating something called FreelancerFit, lol. Wolf Judging from the proportions I'd say that the Freelancer's knee is at the upper Javelin leg joint, and the lower Javelin leg joint is just below the Freelancer's foot. I have to admit, I find the obvious differences between the Javelins confusing when it comes to how much strength they may require from their pilots. The Colossus and Ranger clearly look like power armor, something that cannot be moved by muscle alone and still be combat effective. There must be some kind of neural interface for the Javelin to move in accordance with the pilot's will. The Storm and Interceptor on the other hand are so light and slender that they don't look like powered armor at all - they could probably easily moved by muscle strength without any boost provided by the Javelin. Now that I think about it, it's odd that they are even considered to be within the same class of combat suit. It's like putting a racing car, a sedan, an APC and a MBT all into the same vehicle class. |
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Post by dankafkid77 on Aug 13, 2018 15:57:15 GMT
I agree that the bigger javelins could use a neural link to the extremities, but even with the storm and interceptor that is still a lot of metal to move so they also probably have a neural link. Think of it this way even if you train every single day for 2 years, your body still couldn't handle let's say 250+ of weight in combat. It's alot for the human body to do all that.
There could also be another explanation, it could be assisted joints and movements to make it alot easier for the lancers.
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Post by dankafkid77 on Aug 13, 2018 16:00:05 GMT
(P.S. it also could be shaper tech that makes the suit super light or no weight at all)
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Post by dankafkid77 on Aug 13, 2018 16:02:51 GMT
Hey wolf good to hear from you, I would really suck if we are making the suit lore and not the developers.
And to be honest it probably is something really simple like super light material and some shaper energy.
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Post by dankafkid77 on Aug 13, 2018 16:16:04 GMT
I can see what you mean but they take off some of the load with a casorial leg type which would have the lancers knees at the start of the legs. And it doesn't look like to must of a bend.   |
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Post by SheriffWolfpool on Aug 13, 2018 17:45:41 GMT
LOL! I see what you mean there, Gileadan. Didn't Mark or someone on the dev team say that the Freelancer's feet stop at the "knee joint" of the Javelin? Or am I imaging that. A Javelin would be around 8-9 feet in height if that's the case and it would take the stress off of the Freelancers knee joints, too. I think strength training and consistent use of your Javelin would be the combo needed to be a stellar FL (Freelancer). Because of the run boosters/flight boosters, you would be aided with overall movement of your Javelin, but you would still need a good baseline of strength to pilot one, mostly leg and core strength. I'm so nerdy with this kind of stuff, I'm seriously contemplating creating something called FreelancerFit, lol. Wolf Judging from the proportions I'd say that the Freelancer's knee is at the upper Javelin leg joint, and the lower Javelin leg joint is just below the Freelancer's foot. I have to admit, I find the obvious differences between the Javelins confusing when it comes to how much strength they may require from their pilots. The Colossus and Ranger clearly look like power armor, something that cannot be moved by muscle alone and still be combat effective. There must be some kind of neural interface for the Javelin to move in accordance with the pilot's will. The Storm and Interceptor on the other hand are so light and slender that they don't look like powered armor at all - they could probably easily moved by muscle strength without any boost provided by the Javelin. Now that I think about it, it's odd that they are even considered to be within the same class of combat suit. It's like putting a racing car, a sedan, an APC and a MBT all into the same vehicle class. I don't disagree with you there at all. The Colossus especially would need significantly more strength to pilot functionally...so, this is where a lot of my theories go out the door, haha. But then again, this goes back to my Iron Man theory. When you compare his normal suit next to the Hulk Buster, Tony doesn't require any more or less strength to do so. So that's where my theory for a FL to be a normal guy like you or me because the power/armor/strength mainly resides within the Javelin itself. But, going off your car theory, every car handles differently, so it would make since that every Javelin would as well. Wolf |
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Post by SheriffWolfpool on Aug 13, 2018 17:54:23 GMT
Hey wolf good to hear from you, I would really suck if we are making the suit lore and not the developers. True that lol. And thanks, Cam, always good to hear from you too, sir! I just don't know if any of the devs geek out on THIS specific type of lore like you and I do (and Gileadan). I hope they do..because it would be awesome to hear their POV from how a Freelancer pilots a Javelin and what strength level would be needed to be successful. There could also be another explanation, it could be assisted joints and movements to make it alot easier for the lancers. I can see what you mean but they take off some of the load with a casorial leg type which would have the lancers knees at the start of the legs. And it doesn't look like to must of a bend. Nice post here! This is what I remember reading as far as size comparison from FL to Javelin. Almost like the lower part of the Javelin are shock absorber stilts in a sense. Think of the people that have lost their legs and run/and or use those runner blades for support. God bless those people too. They're downright troopers! Wolf |
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Post by SheriffWolfpool on Aug 14, 2018 13:55:09 GMT
I was listening to a YouTuber covering Anthem stuff named Daiki Style Gaming, and he is starting an Anthem Lore series. In his first video on this (released yesterday) he mentioned something about the Shaper Artifacts and how they've had "biological changes on the wildlife, mutating creatures in the world of Anthem". And then, on the official Anthem website, it states this: "HUMANITY SOUGHT A WAY TO SURVIVE, SO OUR ANCESTORS CREATED THE JAVELIN EXOSUITS, HANDCRAFTED ARMOR THAT GAVE US SUPERHUMAN ABILITIES." This makes me think more and more that the Javelin suits themselves are the special sauce and the pilots are inherently "normal", like Iron Man. I did try and get Mark Darrah to bite yesterday and answer a tweet I sent out on the Freelancer skill vs Javelin...but no such luck  Wolf |
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Post by SheriffWolfpool on Aug 15, 2018 20:52:15 GMT
I think I just got more confirmation from My name is Byf youtube's channel  He mentions it around the 5 min mark. Wolf |
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Post by dankafkid77 on Jan 5, 2019 1:31:52 GMT
Geez it's been to long, I totally forgot about this topic. We kinda ran it all out
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jan 5, 2019 18:29:55 GMT
I think it would be cool if you could engage in some kind of work-out or Training Program, or see other Players doing things in their off-time when they're not out in the world (I know Fort Tarsus is a personal space only each individual player will see unique things with nobody else around...and perhaps that defeats this), but what I'm trying to get at is the OP. It would be interesting if (based on 'class'/ Javelin type) we could participate in certain specialized training or medical procedures etc and see other players doing the same in order to learn the certain skills required to use each Javelin. Or maybe something like "The Matrix" (shrugs)
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jan 5, 2019 19:51:59 GMT
Found this link when I googled "ANTHEM Lore about Javelins" anthem.wikia.com/wiki/Javelin And it says that "Pilots are uniquely qualified to pilot Javelins" which got me thinking "how and why is that possible? What makes it so?" And I'm sure the Devs have gone to great length to explain this in-game to make it part of the game (because Bioware is known for having richly detailed and well thought out Lore surrounding characters, worlds or 'things' such as Magic Systems (which in this case I think might be the Javelin as it is the 'special something' that grants Players unique and otherwise in-human, other-worldly abilities). But as I said in my previous post, I don't think it will be a simple "Because they can...DUH" kind of idea or implentation that is the reason WHY people can use/pilot this amazing tech. As if we as players are simply going to have to mind-numbingly accept it as fact for no reason other than "they can because...they can." What I am interested in learning about is the lore behind how/why/ and what makes it actually possible...and I'm sure that this mystery will be uncovered in due time, but still, that doesn't stop my mind from mulling over all the possibilities. |
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Post by Quickpaw on Jan 8, 2019 0:21:57 GMT
There's also the Cypher connection and the literal third-person viewport to consider. Is the Cypher connected telepathically to you directly, or to the tech in your Javelin? And what kind of training does looking at and controlling yourself from above entail?
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 13, 2019 22:35:29 GMT
True that lol. And thanks, Cam, always good to hear from you too, sir! I just don't know if any of the devs geek out on THIS specific type of lore like you and I do (and Gileadan). I hope they do..because it would be awesome to hear their POV from how a Freelancer pilots a Javelin and what strength level would be needed to be successful.
I really hope they are geeking out on this stuff even harder.
EDIT: Awesome thread by the way.
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He mentions it around the 5 min mark.
