What do you want?

Interesting, its the reverse for me. I liked the Angara sorta, but more for their potential (could their powers end up supercharging something mass effect?) than what felt just like an extended bare introduction in MEA itself. But I never really bought into the Kett, even in my imaginings about what they could become.



I didn't take it as that. Hamfisted in script, sure, but it was easy for me to take it that asari have a more innate externalized gender fluidity. That is, they're all certainly "asari", but they may take offence at being only considered 'women' by humans, and they may take other pronouns that they think describe their selves better in the human language. They would just use the word for 'asari' or 'they' or similar in their own language, but of course they would be both learning human languages including English, as well as understand the social meanings of their translation tools. No, they wouldn't be using 'she' nor 'he' thousands of years ago. Asari are not women, they are viewed as women. And meta, they are designed as mostly effectively women, to recall that ridiculous 'ME1 wasn't lesbian romance' situation.

The asari gender thing was less a position by Bioware of asari being the male sex (and wasn't even them being the female sex), but one of an added texture of an alien culture's implementation of gender identity. In my opinion it was to ask: if you met an alien race that worked perfectly fine deciding to use any desired pronoun to describe their deep personal conception of themselves, and you accept them, might you at least have a curiosity about whether it might be applicable in our own way for humanity? This was more extreme in MEA yes, but ME1 was quite clear that asari do not default on just being 'women'. MEA continues that asari are not 'women', but it has the asari themselves differentiate between primary womanhood/manhood and simply the choice of a pronoun or gendered terms.

To be clear: this scene wasn't saying asari were women or men. They are asari. It was saying that they prefer certain terms other than 'they' or 'asari' if conversing with more multigendered species (and presumably to some extent with each other, but that's cultural exchange and influence and not currently a norm). Asari seem likely to take on terms that translate to feminine to the human ear and translation, but the asari do not consider these terms - like matriarch or huntress - in their own communication and language, to be actually female but instead only tending to make the effect of femininity towards other species. Some can and will buck the norm and either prefer say, humans, to take the effort of explicitly avoiding presuming asari femininity, or as MEA made clearer, to even understand a form of masculinity to the point of respecting a masculine pronoun.

Whatever our positions, it has always been canon that asari do not embrace others' viewpoint that they are automatically women, and the codex is written from Alliance/human standpoint. I am 100% sure that asari did not use a word for 'she' in their own language 1000s of years ago. Asari are just asari. But MEA particularly is about an explicitly supermulticultural environment, its efforts to artificially encourage continued coexistence, and its historical (recent uprising or earlier records) and potential pitfalls. Of course it was going to be more explicit and detailed about examples where species could have sticking points with other species, in fact I wish they went much further with that instead of boring Kett emphasis.

If they we're smart they should make a reboot.

Agreed.

Ignoring the debate as whether or not there should be a MEA2, right now I personally see it as having a low chance of happening thanks to EA. I mean, they iced the studio that made Andromeda and BioWare temporarily shelved the series, on top of cancelling any potential DLC continuations, following its release. And as far as a ME3 sequel is concerned, that is a mess just waiting to be stepped in.

Only question is, if there is a reboot, how do they do it? And where do they go?

Problem I have with a reboot is that it would need a major hook to differentiate it from its predecessor. The big thing in ME1 that made it compelling was the whole question about what the hell the reapers were and why anyone should care, and how everyone’s preconceived notions about the nature of galactic civilization and the one that preceded them was dismantled hard. Saren was an obvious red herring into something much bigger. Any rebooted Mass Effect game can’t repeat it, and I don’t really think the devs would successfully replace it. I’d much rather it simply be put to rest and they do something else if it was between that and a full on reboot. What hope would I have for any future ME games if they’re incapable of going forward in the universe? 

Same vote, same reasons. I could live with MEA2 as well, but I'm not certain that the Andromeda setting is viable anymore.

I'm also satisfied with MEA.  I don't see it as giving the fans what they want.  That was Citadel, and I loved it.  What I was saying was that a reboot would be about trying to please a vocal crowd and it would end up terrible.

If we see Ryder and friends again I'll be very surprised. They're the poster boys for a deeply flawed failed reboot that nearly killed the series I can't believe anybody is actually pining for a sequel.

What part of the next one will be 'a fresh exciting new take on the franchise' is unclear? We need just that, a clean break that drops all the baggage associated with MEA and the original trilogy.

I've never given 2 shits about continuity of player choice personally. If they want to create an alternate timeline/new  (literary) 'universe' in the milky way, establish a BioWare-canon or do another unrelated game in Andromeda centuries later whatever I couldn't care less just put the A team on it and treat it with the care and attention it deserves, don't farm it out to no-marks again expecting different results.

I would like a sequel.  And I still think this could have been set in the unexplored areas of the MW.  Without relays 1) they shouldn't be affected by RGB and 2) they couldn't travel very far to interact with the explored areas because lack of a drive that could get them very far.  Combine this and they're very much on their own.  They get to explore new areas, found colonies and find new races.  They could be in awe of the lack of biotics, perhaps learning that it was the relays themselves which altered the way eezo affected others and so no biotics existed there - except maybe in the children of those who moved there.   But what's done is done and I'd love to see more of Andromeda.

Yeaaaaaaaaah! And thats why the poll is MEA2 54% ?

I know especially when 62% prefer the Milky Way. bsn.boards.net/thread/14736/prefer-andromeda-milkyway

As I said, I expected the top option (MEA2 with Ryder) to win here, but especially because its here. In BSN particularly I think the 'consensus' of sorts is that while the Milky Way is liked more and MEA disappointed, a more direct MEA sequel is most appropriate.

I slightly disagree, but its more my personal taste.

When I look elsewhere online it feels like the opinion is more that MEA is simply hated and should be abandoned, but there's no stats to base this on.

The few friends of mine IRL that played MEA liked it more than me, but I'm unsure whether they're hyped about the idea of a sequel.


But yeah besides my personal opinion, there's a reason why I added the options of 'MEANext' which may or may not include both galaxies and be a story rather separated from MEA even if it doesn't ignore it - because players elsewhere seem more torn. I did want to see how many here wanted MEA2 with Ryder though.