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Post by ahglock on Aug 30, 2018 5:13:06 GMT
I went with MEA2 with new protag simply because I am dying to see Andromeda/Helius 100-200 years later, getting to see the fruits of Ryder and Co.'s labor. I want Ryder and Andromeda but failing that I'd take a new protag but not with that big of a time jump. I just want enough of a time jump that there is some civilization out there. Hell it could be 1 year and they just found other races in the cluster or a neighboring cluster and they built a rely between the 2 clusters all with advanced civilizations. I want illium, omega places that actually look populated even if we only encounter a small section give the illusion of more.
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Post by ahglock on Aug 30, 2018 5:14:51 GMT
I want Ryder and Andromeda but failing that I'd take a new protag but not with that big of a time jump. I don't think I'd be okay with this. Ryder was the central protagonist in MEA. ME is not DA and shouldn't be treated as such. At best, we could have a slightly older and more seasoned Ryder but even that isn't something I'd prefer.
Yes, Ryder had some insecurities. Definitely wasn't ready to be the Pathfinder. That was supposed to be Cora's job. Ryder was meant to follow orders and now suddenly has to give them. Yet, Ryder also has a cockiness at times. Certainly showed no fear when facing Sloane. That's a pretty big deal considering how tough she is and having tons of thugs to back her up. I think there's much more to Ryder that can be explored. Without a doubt, Ryder's self-confidence would be greatly improved in MEA2. I just don't think it needs to be changed a lot. Love the Ryder personality. So incredibly different from Shepard (who I loved) but Shepard was in familiar territory with familiar races. Ryder was in an unknown place, fighting enemies right from the start with no known motives, encountered crazy robots that were always trying to kill them, had to figure out who was friend or foe, deal with the broken AI factions - all while trying to broker peace with the angara. That's a hell of a lot of shit to do when you're a 25 year old.
I get that people what Shepard. Unfortunately, Shepard is dead...600 years dead by the time of MEA. If we have to leave the MW (and we do) then go for broke and make something different. That's Ryder, who embodies the spirit of adventure and exploration.
I'm not a fan of ryder so I would, but if we keep ryder at least get rid of Sam and the I'm a super sayan all classes dude.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 30, 2018 5:31:24 GMT
I'd be quite interested in a separated SAM that still has a neigh supernatural connection to a mentally rewritten Ryder but is allowed to become more of its own character. Really pushing the 'reaching for divine' symbolism, but I'm cool with that.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 30, 2018 5:56:10 GMT
I'd be quite interested in a separated SAM that still has a neigh supernatural connection to a mentally rewritten Ryder but is allowed to become more of its own character. Really pushing the 'reaching for divine' symbolism, but I'm cool with that. I suggested at one point that SAM had to decrease the connection to Ryder (maybe on par with what the rest of the pathfinder team has) and explain that by saying SAM is using most of its ability to figure out how Meridian works.
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Post by fortlowe on Aug 30, 2018 5:59:16 GMT
I thinks there's plenty to tell. The primary reason Mass Effect is such a great series is that as important as Shepherds story is, it doesn't happen in a narrative vacuum. There are all these different governments, and corporations, and organizations, and characters, all vying for resources or influence or agendas with nothing at all to do with the Reapers or Cerberus. I think the MET was absolutely Shepard's story. I could possibly see a Spectre-based ME5, since they had to be doing some major things around the galaxy, but even that wouldn't work for me. No, Shepard's story is done. Time to move on. Agreed about Shepard, but what I'm saying is that Shepard isn't the be all and end all of Mass Effect. Not to dilute Shepherds influence but, like the Skywalker clan, Shepard is the center of a very big narrative. I mean the mercenary gangs, the corporations, the governments, the interspecies and intra-species conflicts the thousands of years of interstellar history? Many of the side quests, in the first two games especially, are ripe for narrative expansion.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 30, 2018 6:51:16 GMT
I think the MET was absolutely Shepard's story. I could possibly see a Spectre-based ME5, since they had to be doing some major things around the galaxy, but even that wouldn't work for me. No, Shepard's story is done. Time to move on. Agreed about Shepard, but what I'm saying is that Shepard isn't the be all and end all of Mass Effect. Not to dilute Shepherds influence but, like the Skywalker clan, Shepard is the center of a very big narrative. I mean the mercenary gangs, the corporations, the governments, the interspecies and intra-species conflicts the thousands of years of interstellar history? Many of the side quests, in the first two games especially, are ripe for narrative expansion. DAO Isabella was almost the smallest of side characters, she was a largely liked companion in DA2, and continued as a liked character that would maybe cause small fan revolts if she isn't in any potential Rivain-focused DA game. Things can grow. Stories can surpass what was there before. Yes, even a galaxy savior.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 30, 2018 6:58:23 GMT
Agreed about Shepard, but what I'm saying is that Shepard isn't the be all and end all of Mass Effect. Not to dilute Shepherds influence but, like the Skywalker clan, Shepard is the center of a very big narrative. I mean the mercenary gangs, the corporations, the governments, the interspecies and intra-species conflicts the thousands of years of interstellar history? Many of the side quests, in the first two games especially, are ripe for narrative expansion. DAO Isabella was almost the smallest of side characters, she was a largely liked companion in DA2, and continued as a liked character that would maybe cause small fan revolts if she isn't in any potential Rivain-focused DA game. Things can grow. Stories can surpass what was there before. Yes, even a galaxy savior. What gives me pause is that people still won't let go of The Warden protagonist and I think that is part of the reasoning of moving the game forward with Andromeda and not having potential links to Shepard for if people are still wanting to have The Warden return in Dragon Age 4 after only being in one game and I don't think being as beloved as Shepard. So having anything during the time of Shepard I can see all kinds of requests and negative comments if they cannot play Shepard or having Shepard being a big part of the game.
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Post by ahglock on Aug 30, 2018 7:01:10 GMT
DAO Isabella was almost the smallest of side characters, she was a largely liked companion in DA2, and continued as a liked character that would maybe cause small fan revolts if she isn't in any potential Rivain-focused DA game. Things can grow. Stories can surpass what was there before. Yes, even a galaxy savior. What gives me pause is that people still won't let go of The Warden protagonist and I think that is part of the reasoning of moving the game forward with Andromeda and not having potential links to Shepard for if people are still wanting to have The Warden return in Dragon Age 4 after only being in one game and I don't think being as beloved as Shepard. So having anything during the time of Shepard I can see all kinds of requests and negative comments if they cannot play Shepard or having Shepard being a big part of the game. If that is a concern it would lend towards them moving away form Ryder so they don't set that up again in future games. Unless they plan to galaxy hop every 3 games.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 30, 2018 7:04:49 GMT
What gives me pause is that people still won't let go of The Warden protagonist and I think that is part of the reasoning of moving the game forward with Andromeda and not having potential links to Shepard for if people are still wanting to have The Warden return in Dragon Age 4 after only being in one game and I don't think being as beloved as Shepard. So having anything during the time of Shepard I can see all kinds of requests and negative comments if they cannot play Shepard or having Shepard being a big part of the game. If that is a concern it would lend towards them moving away form Ryder so they don't set that up again in future games. Unless they plan to galaxy hop every 3 games. I think the difference between Ryder and The Warden is that there is a 25% that The Warden made the ultimate sacrifice. At least that was something that was said by a dev during Inquisition was that they didn't want to have a character that has a 25% chance of being dead. So if they don't leave the characters in two different states such as all the companions at the end of Mass Effect 1 or 2 I don't think it would be as much of a problem.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 30, 2018 7:05:55 GMT
DAO Isabella was almost the smallest of side characters, she was a largely liked companion in DA2, and continued as a liked character that would maybe cause small fan revolts if she isn't in any potential Rivain-focused DA game. Things can grow. Stories can surpass what was there before. Yes, even a galaxy savior. What gives me pause is that people still won't let go of The Warden protagonist and I think that is part of the reasoning of moving the game forward with Andromeda and not having potential links to Shepard for if people are still wanting to have The Warden return in Dragon Age 4 after only being in one game and I don't think being as beloved as Shepard. So having anything during the time of Shepard I can see all kinds of requests and negative comments if they cannot play Shepard or having Shepard being a big part of the game. I want the Warden back. As a cool shadowy character approaching their (supposed? optional through our choice?) Calling, that we never/rarely directly deal with, but perhaps follow the trail of in a main quest. Up to decades of their own life being lived off-screen, so this is just one narratively centralized part of it. Replacement character(?) if dead from DAO. Don't need to play as them, but a nod of continuity is nothing I'd oppose. Don't even need their clear face, only the legend to follow.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 30, 2018 7:29:45 GMT
Ryder is good for 16 years old players maybe...but hey maybe those r the maiority now a days .. Why insisting on this character? Mea was a complete failure and there r ppl that insist on ryder? Jesus Well they are people who like to play poor quality games.
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Post by fortlowe on Aug 30, 2018 7:51:22 GMT
What gives me pause is that people still won't let go of The Warden protagonist and I think that is part of the reasoning of moving the game forward with Andromeda and not having potential links to Shepard for if people are still wanting to have The Warden return in Dragon Age 4 after only being in one game and I don't think being as beloved as Shepard. So having anything during the time of Shepard I can see all kinds of requests and negative comments if they cannot play Shepard or having Shepard being a big part of the game. I want the Warden back. As a cool shadowy character approaching their (supposed? optional through our choice?) Calling, that we never/rarely directly deal with, but perhaps follow the trail of in a main quest. Up to decades of their own life being lived off-screen, so this is just one narratively centralized part of it. Replacement character(?) if dead from DAO. Don't need to play as them, but a nod of continuity is nothing I'd oppose. Don't even need their clear face, only the legend to follow. Acknowledging Shepard's influence can only be a good thing IMO. EA has been keeping tabs on all of our decisions in ME for a long time. Bioware could leverage the data in the Keep in a profound way by adding small nods here and there, tailor made Easter eggs if you will, that call back to what we did in previous games. Further flavoring an off center ME game without actually changing the games narrative course. It's something they've a already done in DA:I, so it's not unheard of doing. For instance, take the side quest in Omega to help the Quarian out of servitude. If a game was set in Omega about a mercenary running protection out of Omega, the NPCs in that quest, along with many others in other Shepard quests on the station in ME2 and ME3, could be used to call back actions preformed in the previous games. All there while with Shepard or his party not appearing at all. Shepard is a cornerstone that should absolutely not go unacknowledged. I'm just trying to get across that Shepard exists because of Mass Effect. Mass Effect doesn't exist because of Shepard.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 30, 2018 8:53:44 GMT
Failure in what regard then? Not meeting sales expectations sure, but then by that metric plenty of games are failures including Resident Evil 7. Failure in what regard? ? Really? Compare it to any of the trilogy games compare feedback between shepard and ryder go to fanfic make the comparison again and i think its obvious.Sincerely Wait, you think the number of fanfics written about something is an objective criteria for determining how good something is? 
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 30, 2018 13:40:36 GMT
I want Ryder and Andromeda but failing that I'd take a new protag but not with that big of a time jump. I don't think I'd be okay with this. Ryder was the central protagonist in MEA. ME is not DA and shouldn't be treated as such. At best, we could have a slightly older and more seasoned Ryder but even that isn't something I'd prefer.
Yes, Ryder had some insecurities. Definitely wasn't ready to be the Pathfinder. That was supposed to be Cora's job. Ryder was meant to follow orders and now suddenly has to give them. Yet, Ryder also has a cockiness at times. Certainly showed no fear when facing Sloane. That's a pretty big deal considering how tough she is and having tons of thugs to back her up. I think there's much more to Ryder that can be explored. Without a doubt, Ryder's self-confidence would be greatly improved in MEA2. I just don't think it needs to be changed a lot. Love the Ryder personality. So incredibly different from Shepard (who I loved) but Shepard was in familiar territory with familiar races. Ryder was in an unknown place, fighting enemies right from the start with no known motives, encountered crazy robots that were always trying to kill them, had to figure out who was friend or foe, deal with the broken AI factions - all while trying to broker peace with the angara. That's a hell of a lot of shit to do when you're a 25 year old.
I get that people what Shepard. Unfortunately, Shepard is dead...600 years dead by the time of MEA. If we have to leave the MW (and we do) then go for broke and make something different. That's Ryder, who embodies the spirit of adventure and exploration.
Oh I agree. I want that too but I could live with it. If I have my way though it'd be Ryder.
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Post by jpcab on Aug 30, 2018 13:51:18 GMT
Failure in what regard? ? Really? Compare it to any of the trilogy games compare feedback between shepard and ryder go to fanfic make the comparison again and i think its obvious.Sincerely Wait, you think the number of fanfics written about something is an objective criteria for determining how good something is?  Actually its a pretty good example although i admit not necessary. Everybody has to recognise mea has failed in follow the trilogy sucess. But yeah u can see how ryder story did not inspired many ppl by fanfic. SO yeah i do.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 30, 2018 14:00:36 GMT
Wait, you think the number of fanfics written about something is an objective criteria for determining how good something is?  Actually its a pretty good exwmple although i admit not necessary.everybidy has to recognise mea has failed in follow the trilogy sucess. But yeah u can see how ryder story did not inspired many ppl by fanfic. SO yeah i do. No not really.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 30, 2018 14:15:46 GMT
Actually its a pretty good exwmple although i admit not necessary.everybidy has to recognise mea has failed in follow the trilogy sucess. But yeah u can see how ryder story did not inspired many ppl by fanfic. SO yeah i do. No not really. How far back does ME fanfic go? I don't really see much before 2012. Which would mean it took an entire trilogy for people to care enough to write fanfic. If I use AO3 as a benchmark, here's what we have: 2 pages pre-ME2, 20 pages of pre-ME3 fanfic, and and 948 post-ME3. If we're going by MEA, it clearly needs more time to get the level of fanfic that the entire MET got.
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Post by jpcab on Aug 30, 2018 22:05:02 GMT
U really think there will be more games with ryder? I guess we ll have to wait and see.
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U really think there will be more games with ryder? I guess we ll have to wait and see. Yes I do and hope so.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 30, 2018 22:40:21 GMT
U really think there will be more games with ryder? I guess we ll have to wait and see. I hope to God not.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 31, 2018 22:54:49 GMT
U really think there will be more games with ryder? I guess we ll have to wait and see. Yes I do and hope so. I can't imagine why you would. Ryder would just end up getting spaced and wind up working for "the bad guys" (who are totally charming, if somewhat incompetent) because that's awesome and edgy. The companions will all leave, and your LI will at best friendzone you and at worst call you a traitor to your face before storming off (but not to worry, there'll be a whole new stable of hotties waiting to throw themselves at Ryder!) Oh, and the AI will totally distance themselves from you because you can't be trusted anymore, because reasons. Other than that, what's not to like?
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 1, 2018 3:14:15 GMT
I can't imagine why you would. Ryder would just end up getting spaced and wind up working for "the bad guys" (who are totally charming, if somewhat incompetent) because that's awesome and edgy. The companions will all leave, and your LI will at best friendzone you and at worst call you a traitor to your face before storming off (but not to worry, there'll be a whole new stable of hotties waiting to throw themselves at Ryder!) Oh, and the AI will totally distance themselves from you because you can't be trusted anymore, because reasons. Other than that, what's not to like? Uh no that wouldn't happen and I want Ryder because I like them.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 1, 2018 4:34:41 GMT
I can't imagine why you would. Ryder would just end up getting spaced and wind up working for "the bad guys" (who are totally charming, if somewhat incompetent) because that's awesome and edgy. The companions will all leave, and your LI will at best friendzone you and at worst call you a traitor to your face before storming off (but not to worry, there'll be a whole new stable of hotties waiting to throw themselves at Ryder!) Oh, and the AI will totally distance themselves from you because you can't be trusted anymore, because reasons. Other than that, what's not to like? But on the other hand, my character would get to meet an adorable and sweet redhead. ...then again my Ryder already has that.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 1, 2018 7:13:49 GMT
Still looking at the current poll results and MEA2 with Ryder way outstrips any other option. Again, I know this is a very small sample of ME players, but it still gives some sense of how people might feel about the future of ME.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 1, 2018 14:35:29 GMT
I can't imagine why you would. Ryder would just end up getting spaced and wind up working for "the bad guys" (who are totally charming, if somewhat incompetent) because that's awesome and edgy. The companions will all leave, and your LI will at best friendzone you and at worst call you a traitor to your face before storming off (but not to worry, there'll be a whole new stable of hotties waiting to throw themselves at Ryder!) Oh, and the AI will totally distance themselves from you because you can't be trusted anymore, because reasons. Other than that, what's not to like? Uh no that wouldn't happen and I want Ryder because I like them. I think you mean it wouldn't happen AGAIN. I don't have that kind of faith.
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