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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 28, 2020 12:59:38 GMT
Yea hbu tRydre didnj't know untilthey'd returned to th etempes twhic hwas my point. Ok. Still it doesn't change anything. Ryder failed to inform Tann and Nexus security. You can believe Ryder could have told them off-screen, but then why not have Ryder mention that when returning to the Nexus with the salarian ship? Don't know why you brought that up since I never said to have the Nexus moved because Ryder failed to scan the robot. Nor did I say the kett put the probe in the robot. Actually they di dfas I remembre Rydre telling Suvi "warn the Nexus we need to move" during th econvresatoin when the ygo tback from the Archon' sship o rdid you no thea rtha tline because I rmember hearing it.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 28, 2020 13:07:51 GMT
Ok. Still it doesn't change anything. Ryder failed to inform Tann and Nexus security. You can believe Ryder could have told them off-screen, but then why not have Ryder mention that when returning to the Nexus with the salarian ship? Don't know why you brought that up since I never said to have the Nexus moved because Ryder failed to scan the robot. Nor did I say the kett put the probe in the robot. Actually they di dfas I remembre Rydre telling Suvi "warn the Nexus we need to move" during th econvresatoin when the ygo tback from the Archon' sship o rdid you no thea rtha tline because I rmember hearing it. Ryder says we need to warn the Nexus, yet there's nothing ever mentioned about that when he/she returns to the Nexus with the salarian ship. Wouldn't it make sense for Tann to get more details from Ryder instead of just a warning?
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 28, 2020 13:19:44 GMT
Actually they di dfas I remembre Rydre telling Suvi "warn the Nexus we need to move" during th econvresatoin when the ygo tback from the Archon' sship o rdid you no thea rtha tline because I rmember hearing it. Ryder says we need to warn the Nexus, yet there's nothing ever mentioned about that when he/she returns to the Nexus with the salarian ship. Wouldn't it make sense for Tann to get more details from Ryder instead of just a warning? Well that's on Tannrather than Rydre in that instance then. As far as I'm concrened I think Ryder did evreything they couldRyder may be in a senior position as Pathfindre but there are people more senior than them and whilat Ryder can suggest thinggs the ycan't do evreything
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Post by Iakus on Feb 28, 2020 14:24:36 GMT
But Mass Effect goes by the Rubber Forehead Alien route, where virtually all aliens are essentially humans with odd-shaped heads. Most of them can eat the same food, breathe the same air, and is susceptible to (mostly) the same diseases. Regardless of where they came from. Note this is NOT a knock on Mass Effect, it's a common trope seen in a lot of scifi stories. The problem is when Mass Effect gets inconsistent in its presentation It's arguably justified in the OT. Maybe most life in the MW really does run on DNA; early cycles could have seeded the galaxy with their own form of life. Sort of like Star Trek: TNG's "The Chase." Something similar could conceivably have happened in early Andromeda history -- we should probably assume it did if we want the kett to make any sense at all --but it wouldn't have used the same stuff. Possible, but it's never really addressed, even to the limited extent it was in Star Trek. And given the cycles, only the Leviathans could have plausibly have seeded both the MW and Andromeda. Unless the Reapers have proven to be even more incompetent than they demonstrated themselves in ME3. It would be interesting to see if the Leviathans managed to screw up another galaxy, I guess...
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Post by therevanchist25 on Feb 28, 2020 22:35:14 GMT
It's arguably justified in the OT. Maybe most life in the MW really does run on DNA; early cycles could have seeded the galaxy with their own form of life. Sort of like Star Trek: TNG's "The Chase." Something similar could conceivably have happened in early Andromeda history -- we should probably assume it did if we want the kett to make any sense at all --but it wouldn't have used the same stuff. Possible, but it's never really addressed, even to the limited extent it was in Star Trek. And given the cycles, only the Leviathans could have plausibly have seeded both the MW and Andromeda. Unless the Reapers have proven to be even more incompetent than they demonstrated themselves in ME3. It would be interesting to see if the Leviathans managed to screw up another galaxy, I guess... Since there is currently no evidence of the Reapers or Leviathans reaching Andromeda, and there is definitive proof of the Jardaan artificially creating species I would say so far it seems unlikely that they reached Andromeda. Unless they created the Jardaan a bazillion years ago, which I suppose is possible.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 23:58:01 GMT
Possible, but it's never really addressed, even to the limited extent it was in Star Trek. And given the cycles, only the Leviathans could have plausibly have seeded both the MW and Andromeda. Unless the Reapers have proven to be even more incompetent than they demonstrated themselves in ME3. It would be interesting to see if the Leviathans managed to screw up another galaxy, I guess... Since there is currently no evidence of the Reapers or Leviathans reaching Andromeda, and there is definitive proof of the Jardaan artificially creating species I would say so far it seems unlikely that they reached Andromeda. Unless they created the Jardaan a bazillion years ago, which I suppose is possible. Unless the Jaardan are a group of Leviathan that escaped the Milky Way Galaxy and in the 1 billion years in Andromeda figured out how to create life and thereby make their own thrall species... and their creations are based on Milky Way DNA. Perhaps, Heleus Cluster was a "dead zone" unable to support Andromeda life and that is why we're not finding anything much different from "us" in the Heleus Cluster. Also, the AI was attracted to Heleus because is scanned as being able to support Milky Way life. Nothing precludes Andromedan life based on a whole different premise than DNA existing in other clusters in the galaxy.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Feb 29, 2020 1:19:38 GMT
Since there is currently no evidence of the Reapers or Leviathans reaching Andromeda, and there is definitive proof of the Jardaan artificially creating species I would say so far it seems unlikely that they reached Andromeda. Unless they created the Jardaan a bazillion years ago, which I suppose is possible. Unless the Jaardan are a group of Leviathan that escaped the Milky Way Galaxy and in the 1 billion years in Andromeda figured out how to create life and thereby make their own thrall species... and their creations are based on Milky Way DNA. Perhaps, Heleus Cluster was a "dead zone" unable to support Andromeda life and that is why we're not finding anything much different from "us" in the Heleus Cluster. Also, the AI was attracted to Heleus because is scanned as being able to support Milky Way life. Nothing precludes Andromedan life based on a whole different premise than DNA existing in other clusters in the galaxy. I highly doubt the Leviathans are/were Jaardan, simply because of the Jaardan buildings we explore. Their computer interfaces and architecture heavily imply a smaller, humanoid race, not a giant Cthulhu-like race the size of a building.
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Unless the Jaardan are a group of Leviathan that escaped the Milky Way Galaxy and in the 1 billion years in Andromeda figured out how to create life and thereby make their own thrall species... and their creations are based on Milky Way DNA. Perhaps, Heleus Cluster was a "dead zone" unable to support Andromeda life and that is why we're not finding anything much different from "us" in the Heleus Cluster. Also, the AI was attracted to Heleus because is scanned as being able to support Milky Way life. Nothing precludes Andromedan life based on a whole different premise than DNA existing in other clusters in the galaxy. I highly doubt the Leviathans are/were Jaardan, simply because of the Jaardan buildings we explore. Their computer interfaces and architecture heavily imply a smaller, humanoid race, not a giant Cthulhu-like race the size of a building. Except Leviathan really doesn't tend to do anything first hand, but uses its thrall races to do it for them. The vaults are also massive structures where we had to platform over massive cavernous aras... Khi'Tasira included with the Angara prototypes stacked several high.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Feb 29, 2020 5:13:05 GMT
I highly doubt the Leviathans are/were Jaardan, simply because of the Jaardan buildings we explore. Their computer interfaces and architecture heavily imply a smaller, humanoid race, not a giant Cthulhu-like race the size of a building. Except Leviathan really doesn't tend to do anything first hand, but uses its thrall races to do it for them. The vaults are also massive structures where we had to platform over massive cavernous aras... Khi'Tasira included with the Angara prototypes stacked several high. The layout of the Vaults makes no logical sense in terms of "people use to live here". They are gamey in design to the extreme. In my opinion to the determent of believe ability. So to use that as proof that the Jaardan were giants is flimsy, however not impossible. You are correct however that it COULD be a servant race. There is no way to disprove that at this time. Again however i personally, find it unlikely that anything MW related ever touched Andromeda until the AI's arrival. I suppose only time will tell.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 29, 2020 8:03:53 GMT
I still think if BioWare does a Leviathan or Reaper connection in Andromeda (I don’t think they will) the more likely connection is the Kett. They combine the DNA of all subjugated races into their own, both preserving those races within them as well as advancing themselves. Seems quite similar to the Reaper mindset, maybe a different solution being tried than the harvests.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Feb 29, 2020 11:25:46 GMT
I still think if BioWare does a Leviathan or Reaper connection in Andromeda (I don’t think they will) the more likely connection is the Kett. They combine the DNA of all subjugated races into their own, both preserving those races within them as well as advancing themselves. Seems quite similar to the Reaper mindset, maybe a different solution being tried than the harvests. Oh no, Starbrat copied himself and shipped it to Andromeda, where he created the new Kett Empire! AAAAHHH!!!!
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 29, 2020 12:06:18 GMT
I still think if BioWare does a Leviathan or Reaper connection in Andromeda (I don’t think they will) the more likely connection is the Kett. They combine the DNA of all subjugated races into their own, both preserving those races within them as well as advancing themselves. Seems quite similar to the Reaper mindset, maybe a different solution being tried than the harvests. Oh no, Starbrat copied himself and shipped it to Andromeda, where he created the new Kett Empire! AAAAHHH!!!! "Assuming direc tcontrol o fHeleus". "This hurts you".
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Except Leviathan really doesn't tend to do anything first hand, but uses its thrall races to do it for them. The vaults are also massive structures where we had to platform over massive cavernous aras... Khi'Tasira included with the Angara prototypes stacked several high. The layout of the Vaults makes no logical sense in terms of "people use to live here". They are gamey in design to the extreme. In my opinion to the determent of believe ability. So to use that as proof that the Jaardan were giants is flimsy, however not impossible. You are correct however that it COULD be a servant race. There is no way to disprove that at this time. Again however i personally, find it unlikely that anything MW related ever touched Andromeda until the AI's arrival. I suppose only time will tell. TBH, I find it increasingly unlikely that we'll ever get a completion to the Andromeda story so that "time will tell" us anything. I think it would be cool if they did have at least some plan to eventually connect events in the two galaxies together. Leviathan being the Jaardan is an intriguing idea to me.
What I think will happen is a remaster, followed by a Shepard prequel (which I predict people won't like as much as they say they will)... and the ultimate death of the franchise. Atlernatively (and for the worse, IMO), the OT remaster will be followed by a Shepard sequel (which I predict people won't like as much as they say they will)... and the ultimate death of the franchise.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 29, 2020 12:52:26 GMT
The layout of the Vaults makes no logical sense in terms of "people use to live here". They are gamey in design to the extreme. In my opinion to the determent of believe ability. So to use that as proof that the Jaardan were giants is flimsy, however not impossible. You are correct however that it COULD be a servant race. There is no way to disprove that at this time. Again however i personally, find it unlikely that anything MW related ever touched Andromeda until the AI's arrival. I suppose only time will tell. TBH, I find it increasingly unlikely that we'll ever get a completion to the Andromeda story so that "time will tell" us anything. I think it would be cool if they did have at least some plan to eventually connect events in the two galaxies together. Leviathan being the Jaardan is an intriguing idea to me.
What I think will happen is a remaster, followed by a Shepard prequel (which I predict people won't like as much as they say they will)... and the ultimate death of the franchise. Atlernatively, the OT remaster will be followed by a Shepard sequel (which I predict people won't like as much as they say they will)... and the ultimate death of the franchise.
Yeah like yo uthat's what I'm worried will happen as well. I'd rather they continue with Andromeda as that for suer will keep me supporting the franchise but if they do what you say then it's likely my support will end with MEA as I'm no treested in a ME trilogy remaster or a Shepard prequel/sequel.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 13:44:05 GMT
TBH, I find it increasingly unlikely that we'll ever get a completion to the Andromeda story so that "time will tell" us anything. I think it would be cool if they did have at least some plan to eventually connect events in the two galaxies together. Leviathan being the Jaardan is an intriguing idea to me.
What I think will happen is a remaster, followed by a Shepard prequel (which I predict people won't like as much as they say they will)... and the ultimate death of the franchise. Atlernatively, the OT remaster will be followed by a Shepard sequel (which I predict people won't like as much as they say they will)... and the ultimate death of the franchise.
Yeah like yo uthat's what I'm worried will happen as well. I'd rather they continue with Andromeda as that for suer will keep me supporting the franchise but if they do what you say then it's likely my support will end with MEA as I'm no treested in a ME trilogy remaster or a Shepard prequel/sequel. I could possibly be interested in buying a Trilogy Remaster (note - remaster, not remake) if it enables the digital purchase of the entire Trilogy on the Xbox One AND if it's priced really cheap. Unfortunately, that probably means there isn't a whole lot of profit for Bioware in doing it. I'd probably look into a prequel game... but again, I'm not interested enough in it to want to pay $100 CAN for it and it would have to confirm that it's a great game with people I trust and probably spoil myself by watching a playthrough or two before considering adding it to my library. Fortuntately, by the time I've done all of that, it will likely be on serious sale since that's the trend... game releases, fans complain about it, price falls. If they go with a Destroy canon on a sequel, I won't even bother researching it. Anything else as canon, I'd look into it pretty much the same way as I would a prequel and wait for the price to plummet. If they do ME:A2, I'm probably in right from the game's release and would probably pay full price for it. If they don't do anything further with the franchise, I'll continue to play the other games in my library and watch for new releases from other companies to fill in with newer games.
I'm not particularly worried about any of it... none of my family works in the gaming industry anymore.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 29, 2020 14:29:35 GMT
Yeah like yo uthat's what I'm worried will happen as well. I'd rather they continue with Andromeda as that for suer will keep me supporting the franchise but if they do what you say then it's likely my support will end with MEA as I'm no treested in a ME trilogy remaster or a Shepard prequel/sequel. I could possibly be interested in buying a Trilogy Remaster (note - remaster, not remake) if it enables the digital purchase of the entire Trilogy on the Xbox One AND if it's priced really cheap. Unfortunately, that probably means there isn't a whole lot of profit for Bioware in doing it. I'd probably look into a prequel game... but again, I'm not interested enough in it to want to pay $100 CAN for it and it would have to confirm that it's a great game with people I trust and probably spoil myself by watching a playthrough or two before considering adding it to my library. Fortuntately, by the time I've done all of that, it will likely be on serious sale since that's the trend... game releases, fans complain about it, price falls. If they go with a Destroy canon on a sequel, I won't even bother researching it. Anything else as canon, I'd look into it pretty much the same way as I would a prequel and wait for the price to plummet. If they do ME:A2, I'm probably in right from the game's release and would probably pay full price for it. If they don't do anything further with the franchise, I'll continue to play the other games in my library and watch for new releases from other companies to fill in with newer games.
I'm not particularly worried about any of it... none of my family works in the gaming industry anymore.
I'm not worried either tbh if the ydo an MEA 2 great that's an almost guranteed day 1 purchase from me but if not then I'l jus tlook elsewhere for my entertainment and just notch up more playthroughs on either the trilogy or Andromeda as and when I'm in the mood for it. But like you I don't really think continuing with Shepard will be of any real benefit to the franchise. Especially as I think EA will only do it if they can rake in a ton of cash from it I don' t think they will as it's likely going to cost more than they'd get in return.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 29, 2020 21:08:53 GMT
If there is a MEA2 with Ryder then it is an immediate preorder, day one purchase from me.
If there is a Shepard TRilogy remaster, I'd probably buy it eventually since I love the games so playing them with better mechanics and a shiny new paint job would be fun.
If there is a Shepard prequel, I will probably not buy it or wait until it is a discount since I don't see how that would really be that fun. It'd be like getting DAO but only having the origins, except unlike the origins we already know what happens so I don't see much roleplaying opportunities there.
If there is a Shepard sequel, I'm not buying it at all. Doing that would go against part of what makes Bioware special, which is respecting your choices (or at least doing their best). The sequel would go against that, and if it meant canceling MEA's story then that's another mark against it and them since they are leaving a story unfinished.
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Post by Phantom on Feb 29, 2020 21:55:19 GMT
If there is a MEA2 with Ryder then it is an immediate preorder, day one purchase from me. If there is a Shepard TRilogy remaster, I'd probably buy it eventually since I love the games so playing them with better mechanics and a shiny new paint job would be fun. If there is a Shepard prequel, I will probably not buy it or wait until it is a discount since I don't see how that would really be that fun. It'd be like getting DAO but only having the origins, except unlike the origins we already know what happens so I don't see much roleplaying opportunities there. If there is a Shepard sequel, I'm not buying it at all. Doing that would go against part of what makes Bioware special, which is respecting your choices (or at least doing their best). The sequel would go against that, and if it meant canceling MEA's story then that's another mark against it and them since they are leaving a story unfinished. personally with a Post Reaper War Milk Way Mass Effect, there are at least a dozen potential Player Characters that Bioware could develop outside of Shepard. For example, Vorcha trio(Dutch, German and Japanese) can fit into any era of Milk Way and yes I would make into a Comedy with those 3 and marketing as Such. Think 3 Strooges in Space that actually has the training to be successful un-orthodox heroes that could make us laugh while saving the galaxy.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 2, 2020 20:08:43 GMT
If there is a MEA2 with Ryder then it is an immediate preorder, day one purchase from me. If there is a Shepard TRilogy remaster, I'd probably buy it eventually since I love the games so playing them with better mechanics and a shiny new paint job would be fun. If there is a Shepard prequel, I will probably not buy it or wait until it is a discount since I don't see how that would really be that fun. It'd be like getting DAO but only having the origins, except unlike the origins we already know what happens so I don't see much roleplaying opportunities there. If there is a Shepard sequel, I'm not buying it at all. Doing that would go against part of what makes Bioware special, which is respecting your choices (or at least doing their best). The sequel would go against that, and if it meant canceling MEA's story then that's another mark against it and them since they are leaving a story unfinished. Can you imagine that Shepard prequel though? I propose the sole survivor. 20 hours of hiding from a thresher maw. Roleplaying? You get to choose which MRE's to eat that day.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 2, 2020 20:10:06 GMT
If there is a MEA2 with Ryder then it is an immediate preorder, day one purchase from me. If there is a Shepard TRilogy remaster, I'd probably buy it eventually since I love the games so playing them with better mechanics and a shiny new paint job would be fun. If there is a Shepard prequel, I will probably not buy it or wait until it is a discount since I don't see how that would really be that fun. It'd be like getting DAO but only having the origins, except unlike the origins we already know what happens so I don't see much roleplaying opportunities there. If there is a Shepard sequel, I'm not buying it at all. Doing that would go against part of what makes Bioware special, which is respecting your choices (or at least doing their best). The sequel would go against that, and if it meant canceling MEA's story then that's another mark against it and them since they are leaving a story unfinished. Can you imagine that Shepard prequel though? I propose the sole survivor. 20 hours of hiding from a thresher maw. Roleplaying? You get to choose which MRE's to eat that day. My main backstory is Colonist Sole Survivor, so both parts would just be hiding.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 2, 2020 20:13:58 GMT
Can you imagine that Shepard prequel though? I propose the sole survivor. 20 hours of hiding from a thresher maw. Roleplaying? You get to choose which MRE's to eat that day. My main backstory is Colonist Sole Survivor, so both parts would just be hiding. I love it. We can call it Mass Effect, colon Hide For The Future.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Mar 2, 2020 20:26:59 GMT
My main backstory is Colonist Sole Survivor, so both parts would just be hiding. I love it. We can call it Mass Effect, colon Hide For The Future. Or Mass Effect: Isolation. (I've only played and beaten A:I once. Damn Alien was a pain to hide from early game...)
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Post by Iakus on Mar 2, 2020 22:12:44 GMT
If there is a MEA2 with Ryder then it is an immediate preorder, day one purchase from me. If there is a Shepard TRilogy remaster, I'd probably buy it eventually since I love the games so playing them with better mechanics and a shiny new paint job would be fun. If there is a Shepard prequel, I will probably not buy it or wait until it is a discount since I don't see how that would really be that fun. It'd be like getting DAO but only having the origins, except unlike the origins we already know what happens so I don't see much roleplaying opportunities there. If there is a Shepard sequel, I'm not buying it at all. Doing that would go against part of what makes Bioware special, which is respecting your choices (or at least doing their best). The sequel would go against that, and if it meant canceling MEA's story then that's another mark against it and them since they are leaving a story unfinished. Can you imagine that Shepard prequel though? I propose the sole survivor. 20 hours of hiding from a thresher maw. Roleplaying? You get to choose which MRE's to eat that day. The red ones, the green ones, or the blue ones...
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 2, 2020 22:55:12 GMT
Can you imagine that Shepard prequel though? I propose the sole survivor. 20 hours of hiding from a thresher maw. Roleplaying? You get to choose which MRE's to eat that day. The red ones, the green ones, or the blue ones... You son of a bitch.... I'm in.
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Post by melbella on Mar 3, 2020 2:05:01 GMT
My main backstory is Colonist Sole Survivor, so both parts would just be hiding.
No, first would be running, then hiding.
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