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Post by Polka Dot on Apr 6, 2020 20:12:35 GMT
To wrap it up I generally feel Bioware's goal was to emphasize on Humanity's relative isolation to the rest of the galaxy, with Shepard as an exemplary military officer who is largely uncaring to the world outside of the Alliance. Sorry, not buying it. Yes, some earthlings remain in ignorance, but Shepard is an Alliance officer who is expected to deal with aliens on a day to day basis. And a Spectre candidate to boot. Info dumps are info dumps, and often draw comments from players who feel their characters should already know this stuff. Some players appreciate it when devs give them opportunities to learn about the world lore in ways that don't make their PC look ignorant. Don't know why this became such a big issue or drew so much commentary. It all started with a comment I made relative to the fact that MEA is taking us through the entire exploration and discovery process that got taken out of its intended context. Pretty typical around here, I suppose.
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Post by Polka Dot on Apr 6, 2020 20:19:02 GMT
We live in a world where people seriously still believe the Earth is fucking flat, and that we never landed on the Moon. Such "beliefs" are typically just that - beliefs. Not due to a lack of ever having been told any different, but because they somehow prefer to "believe" in conspiracies. That, or highly motivated to "believe" whatever serves their agenda/makes them more comfortable. And let's not forget that the Extranet works with delays ranging to hours if you don't get a priority government channel which, combined with the Council's apartheid policy regarding colonization rights, should produce an information barrier between the races bigger than between the nations of Earth today. So you don't think citizens of other planets have ever seen a Blasto movie, Elcor doing Shakespeare, or watched a Biotic Ball game? Radio, theatres, and cable services have carried content produced in other countries for decades. Discovering intelligent extra-terrestrial life is kind of a big deal.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 6, 2020 20:55:47 GMT
We live in a world where people seriously still believe the Earth is fucking flat, and that we never landed on the Moon. Such "beliefs" are typically just that - beliefs. Not due to a lack of ever having been told any different, but because they somehow prefer to "believe" in conspiracies. That, or highly motivated to "believe" whatever serves their agenda/makes them more comfortable. And let's not forget that the Extranet works with delays ranging to hours if you don't get a priority government channel which, combined with the Council's apartheid policy regarding colonization rights, should produce an information barrier between the races bigger than between the nations of Earth today. So you don't think citizens of other planets have ever seen a Blasto movie, Elcor doing Shakespeare, or watched a Biotic Ball game? Radio, theatres, and cable services have carried content produced in other countries for decades. Discovering intelligent extra-terrestrial life is kind of a big deal. Plus space is massive. Even with FTL they wouldn't be able to get across the galaxy in any reasonable amount of time. Yes sending a signal might be faster then ships but it would still take a while. As for government channels taking priority this is because someone sending an email (or whatever they call it) to say hi to their family shouldn't be considered as important as a decision that effects hundred or thousands or even billions in some cases. It actually makes sense since it means if something bad happens like a raid for example they can send a signal quickly and not have to move stuff around. It makes perfect sense to put government messages first. Also you realize the colonies have a government right? so they can use those government channels for important stuff.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 6, 2020 21:00:00 GMT
Shepard was born in 2154 - which was 6 years after mass effect physics were discovered, 2 years after the first human colony was established, and 3 years before the First Contact War and humanity's induction into greater galactic society. Shepard grew up in a world that included aliens, and would have learned some basics about different species in grade school. On top of that, Shep was a mid-level Alliance officer, a proven N7, the XO of a technologically advanced ship, and a Spectre candidate. You don't get to that point without having some basic knowledge of the different species and a fair bit of actual contact with them. Shep's basic officer training would have included significant details about different species' military tactics & strategies, assets, capabilities, troop strengths, and liasion-ship in learning how to work with them. That's all pretty basic knowledge for someone in Shep's position. I'm perfectly willing to give a pass on Shep learning about quarians from Tali. Quarians had been in exile for - what, 300 years I think - and whatever was previously known about their culture may have changed. Shepard should have been aware of the Pilgrimage, though, since quarians on Pilgrimage were regular fixtures throughout the galaxy. I think you're crucially underestimating just how isolated Bioware intended Humanity to be a the start of Mass Effect. The amount of humans that have daily interactions with Aliens probably doesn't number above a few thousand, on a total population of Billions that's tiny, it logically follows that most Humans, even the majority of Alliance personnel, will never leave Human space much less visit the Citadel. As for education we don't have a clear point of reference as to what humans of various ranks are supposed to now, in 2007 gamers knew even less about the universe than Shepard so it's not strange most reviewers weren't perturbed by the game's exposition. If anything, one can criticize the games for focussing too much on the tiny minority of humanity that spread out across the galaxy and too few on the majority of earthlings and those from the larger colonies. For example we don't visit earth until the third game and even then don't interact with common citizenry or militia, only the privileged aristocracy, so the speak. Part of this flaw is inherent to format of the games of course, uncovering galaxy shattering mysteries isn't going to work as well when you spend the entire game on a residential colony. Certain characters do alude that Shepard is somewhat of a yokel, with his or her candidacy for the Spectres being largely based on Torfan/Elysium/Akuze. Confusingly, other moments do seem to indicate Shepard has extensive knowledge, such as the inspection quest were Shepard can effortlessly demolish an admiral with his statements on Turian design preferences and the Normandy's engineering. To wrap it up I generally feel Bioware's goal was to emphasize on Humanity's relative isolation to the rest of the galaxy, with Shepard as an exemplary military officer who is largely uncaring to the world outside of the Alliance. When do we hear anyone call shepard a yokel? I heard them say humans shouldn't get a spectre yet but never anything about it being stupid they got it for akuze or whatever. Shepard was supposed to work with nylus for a while to be trained as a spectre but got fast tracked by the council. As for
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Post by burningcherry on Apr 6, 2020 21:39:46 GMT
And let's not forget that the Extranet works with delays ranging to hours if you don't get a priority government channel which, combined with the Council's apartheid policy regarding colonization rights, should produce an information barrier between the races bigger than between the nations of Earth today. So you don't think citizens of other planets have ever seen a Blasto movie, Elcor doing Shakespeare, or watched a Biotic Ball game? Radio, theatres, and cable services have carried content produced in other countries for decades. Discovering intelligent extra-terrestrial life is kind of a big deal. They would see it but nothing close to real-time communication can be guaranteed. ME: Revelation, chapter 6: This means that you can't browse a social network or imageboard without specifying exactly what you can download a lot (by intraplanetary standards) before and even forum discussions can be slowed down by up to two orders of magnitude. Most probably there's no galactic 4chan, Facebook or reddit working as we're used to, no shoutbox or Discord.
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Post by Polka Dot on Apr 6, 2020 22:10:53 GMT
So you don't think citizens of other planets have ever seen a Blasto movie, Elcor doing Shakespeare, or watched a Biotic Ball game? Radio, theatres, and cable services have carried content produced in other countries for decades. Discovering intelligent extra-terrestrial life is kind of a big deal. They would see it but nothing close to real-time communication can be guaranteed. ME: Revelation, chapter 6: This means that you can't browse a social network or imageboard without specifying exactly what you can download a lot (by intraplanetary standards) before and even forum discussions can be slowed down by up to two orders of magnitude. Most probably there's no galactic 4chan, Facebook or reddit working as we're used to, no shoutbox or Discord. Okay... and? You don't need to have trillions of individuals transferring files in order to share major media among planets. Broadcasters could acquire a single copy to broadcast to their entire planet (or system perhaps). Honestly, I've always figured that most of the planets in Citadel space have multi-species visitors - whether for business or tourism. International ports of entry (if they still exist) would be accompanied by inter-planetary ports and passports (on the Citadel they just scan people to identify them rather than require documentation). And really, the basic level of knowledge of aliens that was being discussed (the info dumps) are more basic than that. The average school age kid in the US can tell you that a sheep goes "baaa" and a cow goes "moo" and zebras look like small horses with stripes and giraffes have long necks and turtles have shells. In Shepard's time, they should be able to tell you that elcor speak in slow monotone and preface everything with a tone description, that asari are blue and turians have mandibles, etc. The info dumps Shepard got didn't go much beyond that, and certainly no farther than what any Alliance officer should have learned in basic training camp.
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Post by burningcherry on Apr 6, 2020 23:19:08 GMT
They would see it but nothing close to real-time communication can be guaranteed. ME: Revelation, chapter 6: This means that you can't browse a social network or imageboard without specifying exactly what you can download a lot (by intraplanetary standards) before and even forum discussions can be slowed down by up to two orders of magnitude. Most probably there's no galactic 4chan, Facebook or reddit working as we're used to, no shoutbox or Discord. Okay... and? You don't need to have trillions of individuals transferring files in order to share major media among planets. Broadcasters could acquire a single copy to broadcast to their entire planet (or system perhaps). But you can't talk to an alien directly like we do discuss on 4chan or reddit. Movies or music are accessible without problem but there's no direct contact more intensive than a few replies per day. So we do have outside visitors on Earth, yet we learn about other nations only as much as we're interested ourselves. Let's say there's a language on Earth with so many homophones that one sometimes can't tell what you're saying and you need to draw the thing you mean with your finger on your hand. If I were on a social meeting and saw people talking their language and doing this, I'd ask for confirmation that this is what they're doing, even though I technically know it – because it's so exotic that it can still surprise me as someone whose language could do without establishing any syntax of simple sentences because you can retrieve the meaning even after randomly shuffling the words, thanks to the ludicrously complex grammar. So I can relate to Shepard, witnessing for the first time IRL exactly this: a side channel of communication supplementing things imperceptible to the reader. The volus intentionally and successfully (to the point spacer Alliance soldiers are confused and we know it) spread misinfromation about things as basic as their genders so they have no rights to complain when someone inquiries on less basic matters like their culture. Finally, there's a common misinformation on quarian faces or the mechanical properties of asari scalps; there are things people just don't commonly know, even if they're commandos theoretically taught to work with other species.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 7, 2020 1:40:19 GMT
They would see it but nothing close to real-time communication can be guaranteed. ME: Revelation, chapter 6: This means that you can't browse a social network or imageboard without specifying exactly what you can download a lot (by intraplanetary standards) before and even forum discussions can be slowed down by up to two orders of magnitude. Most probably there's no galactic 4chan, Facebook or reddit working as we're used to, no shoutbox or Discord. Okay... and? You don't need to have trillions of individuals transferring files in order to share major media among planets. Broadcasters could acquire a single copy to broadcast to their entire planet (or system perhaps). Honestly, I've always figured that most of the planets in Citadel space have multi-species visitors - whether for business or tourism. International ports of entry (if they still exist) would be accompanied by inter-planetary ports and passports (on the Citadel they just scan people to identify them rather than require documentation). And really, the basic level of knowledge of aliens that was being discussed (the info dumps) are more basic than that. The average school age kid in the US can tell you that a sheep goes "baaa" and a cow goes "moo" and zebras look like small horses with stripes and giraffes have long necks and turtles have shells. In Shepard's time, they should be able to tell you that elcor speak in slow monotone and preface everything with a tone description, that asari are blue and turians have mandibles, etc. The info dumps Shepard got didn't go much beyond that, and certainly no farther than what any Alliance officer should have learned in basic training camp. Is this a serious complaint right now? Have you utterly forgotten what The Citadel's purpose is? The Citadel is the diplomatic and cultural heart of the galaxy. These things are in place for newly discovered races to have easily accessible information about their new galactic neighbors. Yknow...like The Nexus's cultural Center?... They have the same "stupid" info dump holograms you're complaining about, and they are there for brain dead obvious reasons. It's up to you, the player, weather or not to talk to Avina. As for the Ambassadors? That is literally half the reason they freaking work there. To greet and inform new races about information they may need or want to know. Sure, humanity has been around for a while, You are fully capable of RPing that Shepard already knows everything in the universe about Aliens if it pleases you. But don't act like the way the game dispenses information is dumb, because it's not. Jaal and the Angara clearly were very grateful for those dumb holograms you think are a waste of time.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 7, 2020 3:15:46 GMT
I agree that he ME:A holos make sense in-universe because their target audience is beings who don't know this material. But in ME1, this often isn't the case. It's not a big problem as long as you don't feel the need to exhaust conversation branches just because you can. Unfortunately, CRPGs train people to do that.
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Post by Polka Dot on Apr 7, 2020 4:29:23 GMT
Okay... and? You don't need to have trillions of individuals transferring files in order to share major media among planets. Broadcasters could acquire a single copy to broadcast to their entire planet (or system perhaps). Honestly, I've always figured that most of the planets in Citadel space have multi-species visitors - whether for business or tourism. International ports of entry (if they still exist) would be accompanied by inter-planetary ports and passports (on the Citadel they just scan people to identify them rather than require documentation). And really, the basic level of knowledge of aliens that was being discussed (the info dumps) are more basic than that. The average school age kid in the US can tell you that a sheep goes "baaa" and a cow goes "moo" and zebras look like small horses with stripes and giraffes have long necks and turtles have shells. In Shepard's time, they should be able to tell you that elcor speak in slow monotone and preface everything with a tone description, that asari are blue and turians have mandibles, etc. The info dumps Shepard got didn't go much beyond that, and certainly no farther than what any Alliance officer should have learned in basic training camp. Is this a serious complaint right now? Actually, I think I've been pretty clear about the fact that I'm not complaining. I agree that info dumps are effective, and necessary to inform the player about the world. There are other ways to convey that information, though, and from time to time I see people complain about their PC appearing to be uninformed in RPGs when their chief method of accessing that information is to have the PC ask questions when they should already know the answers. That said, I'd like to point out that my purpose was not to lodge such a complaint. I was originally making the point that Andromeda gave us a world where we're actually going through the process of discovering whatever there is to be known there, instead of having it spoon-fed via info dumps. Have you utterly forgotten what The Citadel's purpose is? The Citadel is the diplomatic and cultural heart of the galaxy. These things are in place for newly discovered races to have easily accessible information about their new galactic neighbors. Yknow...like The Nexus's cultural Center?... They have the same "stupid" info dump holograms you're complaining about, and they are there for brain dead obvious reasons. The cultural center on the Nexus was designed to introduce TMW species to the new neighbors they expected to be meeting in Andromeda. Not to introduce turians to salarians. So we do have outside visitors on Earth, yet we learn about other nations only as much as we're interested ourselves. Sure. But Shepard is an Alliance officer and Spectre candidate, a job that requires working with other species. So - you're assuming this is Shepard's first visit to the Citadel? To any inter-planetary space port? First time Shep has ever spoken with any members of these species? That's not at all what I would expect - and some of these things could be easily observed by simply watching video clips, interviews, news stories that include other species. Like the training vids every Alliance recruit probably watches in boot camp...
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Post by burningcherry on Apr 7, 2020 13:27:55 GMT
So we do have outside visitors on Earth, yet we learn about other nations only as much as we're interested ourselves. Sure. But Shepard is an Alliance officer and Spectre candidate, a job that requires working with other species. Cora also was an Alliance officer and "asari" commando, yet she had no clue about the gender of a met volus. I can believe it's the first time Shepard talks to a volus or an elcor. I sometimes can't tell the gender of a human, Ashley couldn't tell people from animals. Watching sometimes and talking to people and confirming that my information is accurate and actual are two different things.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 7, 2020 15:29:20 GMT
Regarding Shepard and the Citadel, it’s not so far fetched that s/he would not have been on the Citadel before. Putting aside that humanity has not actually been a part of the galactic community that long, much of the time before the events of the first Mass Effect was conflict with either the Turians and then Batarians. Shepard enlisted in the Alliance military in 2172, roughly a decade before the Eden Prime attack.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 7, 2020 15:56:53 GMT
I agree that he ME:A holos make sense in-universe because their target audience is beings who don't know this material. But in ME1, this often isn't the case. It's not a big problem as long as you don't feel the need to exhaust conversation branches just because you can. Unfortunately, CRPGs train people to do that. It's the exact same case in ME1. Everyone just says it isn't because there isn't a brand new race walking around who needs that information right this second. What, is the Citadel suppose to just turn everything off and rip stuff down until a new race appears? Why do we have Holocaust museums? They teach people about it in school right? guess those are a huge waste of time.
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Post by Polka Dot on Apr 7, 2020 18:18:10 GMT
Cora also was an Alliance officer and "asari" commando, yet she had no clue about the gender of a met volus. And...? Volus are encased in roly-poly spacesuits. (BTW, I'm not generally interested in content from other sources. If I was, I'd read them.) FWIW, that particular comment from Ash was intended to be in reference to a keeper - and she didn't say "people", she said aliens. Also, I'm not sure why gender recognition is being brought into this discussion. It's not as surprising that Ash might not have had a lot of contact with other species before - part of her shtick was being an Alliance Marine stuck groundside. Either way, it's the kind of comment someone might make even if they'd BTDT multiple times previously. I would expect the Citadel to be a pretty popular destination among anyone who ever set foot on a starship. It's not like it's off the beaten path - it has a relay in that system, which means it's only moments away from any other active relay. It's a full-service spaceport where you can refuel, discharge, restock, and do a bit of shore leave. Javik made kind of a big deal about never having been to the Citadel before because it had been captured before he was born - and it sounded to me like visiting the Citadel was pretty common among the spacefaring. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by legbamel on Apr 7, 2020 18:48:41 GMT
Shep is a mid-level officer in a military focused on colonizing far-flung areas of the galaxy, not some rich tourist. She has obligations and doesn't own a ship she can just fly wherever she likes--whatever ship she was on belonged to the Alliance and they told her captain where to fly it and what to do once they arrived. I don't see any reason she would have been on the Citadel before ME1. She was busy getting shit done, which is why they made her a Spectre candidate.
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Post by Phantom on Apr 7, 2020 19:22:38 GMT
Keep in Mind, Kids, that Shepard is a N7 and N7s are supposed to have up to date information on all species and their respective cultures due to the increase chances of meeting said Aliens.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 7, 2020 19:33:40 GMT
Keep in Mind, Kids, that Shepard is a N7 and N7s are supposed to have up to date information on all species and their respective cultures due to the increase chances of meeting said Aliens. Bah! Those Alliance kids are just that, kids playing as soldiers. Now Cadians are true soldiers! If those Bird Xenos had made first contact with the Cadians, they would gotten their Bird Xenos asses handed to them! .... And would've known what it feels like to lose your homeworld as the Imperial Navy drops Planet Killers on their homeworld during the counter attack.
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Post by burningcherry on Apr 8, 2020 9:30:38 GMT
Cora also was an Alliance officer and "asari" commando, yet she had no clue about the gender of a met volus. And...? Volus are encased in roly-poly spacesuits. From my impression, she was uncertain if "female" would ever be an appropriate term. Ashley said "aliens" because this was the exact subset of people she couldn't tell from animals. Re: stuck groundside – but she came through all courses up to sergeant, right? If such a comment can be made even by someone who BTDT, it only justifies Shepard's ignorance or pretension of it. Presidium excluded because the access to it is restricted and it's small anyway, the Citadel has just one ward not dominated by one of the Council races, sized 50x10 km maybe with around 3 million inhabitants. Scaled down one hundred times from the galaxy level to the Earth level, Zakera ward can maybe be equated to a Champs-Élysées or Kurfürstendamm of the galaxy. How many people were to Kurfürstendamm? 50 million? 150 million?
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 9, 2020 14:37:12 GMT
I agree that he ME:A holos make sense in-universe because their target audience is beings who don't know this material. But in ME1, this often isn't the case. It's not a big problem as long as you don't feel the need to exhaust conversation branches just because you can. Unfortunately, CRPGs train people to do that. It's the exact same case in ME1. Everyone just says it isn't because there isn't a brand new race walking around who needs that information right this second. What, is the Citadel suppose to just turn everything off and rip stuff down until a new race appears? Why do we have Holocaust museums? They teach people about it in school right? guess those are a huge waste of time.
In ME1 the expo dumps are also a cheap and huge source of XP (not just those on Citadel but those on the ship and/or talking to your crew mates) that is the ONLY reason why I bothered with them after my 5th PT of ME1 or if and when I ever get around to do another run through the MET.
Other than setting up the one about the Pathfinders is the only worth any XP, the other ones on the Nexus are just a quick rundown and/or for fun. I do them just for the hell of it.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 9, 2020 15:25:29 GMT
It's the exact same case in ME1. Everyone just says it isn't because there isn't a brand new race walking around who needs that information right this second. What, is the Citadel suppose to just turn everything off and rip stuff down until a new race appears? Why do we have Holocaust museums? They teach people about it in school right? guess those are a huge waste of time.
In ME1 the expo dumps are also a cheap and huge source of XP (not just those on Citadel but those on the ship and/or talking to your crew mates) that is the ONLY reason why I bothered with them after my 5th PT of ME1 or if and when I ever get around to do another run through the MET.
Other than setting up the one about the Pathfinders is the only worth any XP, the other ones on the Nexus are just a quick rundown and/or for fun. I do them just for the hell of it.
Yes, Lore should not be attached to XP gains. However I always listen to the lore dumps, just for fun. And I've played ME1 over 50 times. Likewise, I never listen to the ones in the Cultural center, because it's such bare bones information that it's not interesting to me.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 9, 2020 15:45:15 GMT
In ME1 the expo dumps are also a cheap and huge source of XP (not just those on Citadel but those on the ship and/or talking to your crew mates) that is the ONLY reason why I bothered with them after my 5th PT of ME1 or if and when I ever get around to do another run through the MET.
Other than setting up the one about the Pathfinders is the only worth any XP, the other ones on the Nexus are just a quick rundown and/or for fun. I do them just for the hell of it.
Yes, Lore should not be attached to XP gains. However I always listen to the lore dumps, just for fun. And I've played ME1 over 50 times. Likewise, I never listen to the ones in the Cultural center, because it's such bare bones information that it's not interesting to me. I click the lore things but never read them. I'll take the free XP.
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Post by burningcherry on Apr 9, 2020 19:40:37 GMT
"You remember lore dumps after listening to them a few times" – OK but same is true for personal stories. I'm more interested with the world than with most characters so if I have to listen to something for the 10th time, I choose the Prothean empire, drell gods and quarian history over family issues.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 10, 2020 13:44:40 GMT
In ME1 the expo dumps are also a cheap and huge source of XP (not just those on Citadel but those on the ship and/or talking to your crew mates) that is the ONLY reason why I bothered with them after my 5th PT of ME1 or if and when I ever get around to do another run through the MET.
Other than setting up the one about the Pathfinders is the only worth any XP, the other ones on the Nexus are just a quick rundown and/or for fun. I do them just for the hell of it.
Yes, Lore should not be attached to XP gains. However I always listen to the lore dumps, just for fun. And I've played ME1 over 50 times. Likewise, I never listen to the ones in the Cultural center, because it's such bare bones information that it's not interesting to me.
That is why I love the Nexus Culture Center they're short and to the point and funny and I know all this stuff anyway.
I honestly can't tell you the number of times I nearly fell asleep listening to Tali go on about the geth and the quarians, Ash's family and her personal politics, Wrex about the krogan, Kaiden about his past, and etc. They are long, boring, and repetitive and since I know all this stuff because I've played the entire MET over 20 times!
So other than XP they are of no real value to me.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 10, 2020 22:23:40 GMT
Yes, Lore should not be attached to XP gains. However I always listen to the lore dumps, just for fun. And I've played ME1 over 50 times. Likewise, I never listen to the ones in the Cultural center, because it's such bare bones information that it's not interesting to me.
That is why I love the Nexus Culture Center they're short and to the point and funny and I know all this stuff anyway.
I honestly can't tell you the number of times I nearly fell asleep listening to Tali go on about the geth and the quarians, Ash's family and her personal politics, Wrex about the krogan, Kaiden about his past, and etc. They are long, boring, and repetitive and since I know all this stuff because I've played the entire MET over 20 times!
So other than XP they are of no real value to me.
Ah yes, you know the information already, so why bother having lore in the game? Who cares if some poor sod whose never played a ME game before came along with Andromeda and ends the game knowing basically nothing about these races he interacts with on a regular basis, even thought Scott or Sara would know such information. the Codex hardly covers this gap. I listen to the entries every. Single. Time. I never get tired of it either. Here's a tip, if you hate them so much. Don't freakin listen to them. The game is hardly starved of XP sources. This sounds more like a you problem, more than a problem with the game. You keep doing something you hate, for the measly amount of XP it gives. That is YOUR fault, not the games. I personally, can listen to the Lore entries forever, and have already done so the 40 or so times I've played the trilogy. Since you love to keep throwing out how many times you'e played it, as if that proves anything.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 11, 2020 8:10:30 GMT
It's kind of weird to just never talk to Tali at all in a ME1 run, though.
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