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Post by Basquemercat117 on Aug 27, 2018 19:16:25 GMT
Its a pretty popular opinion to see if anthem fails so will bioware which destroys any hope for a new mass effect. And to a certain extent i do believe that, but it will have to fail in a incredible fashion. but truly i dont think bioware is that tough of a situation that if the game doesnt match expectations bioware will still live on. Here's why:
first lets look at the games they have released and how well they have done: Dragon age Inquisition was the best selling game in biowares history, MEA though sales wise didnt do well, the multiplayer was very profitable and was one of the reasons why bioware did well in the quarter it was released, and finally star wars the old republic though not as popular as it once was is still making some money or at least enough to sustain themselves. Lets also remember that MEA was made for only 40 million dollars which is cheap for a AAA game, which helped it not be as hard of a hit to bioware. So really from EA perspective bioware has proven its worth as a company in making profitable games.
Now lets looks at anthem. honestly anthem is a significant investment that alot of love has been poured into which is why bioware is feeling the pressure, it doesnt seem they are under pressure from the fate of the company. And look at the type of game anthem is, its a multiplayer RPG that is going to have some sort of monitezation to it. And games like the destiny series and GTA 5 show that an RPG with multiplayer and can be monetized within the game increases the profitability of the game. Even in the case if Destiny who the second installments sales were lacking compared to its prior game still made a hefty profit because of its monitezation. so even if anthem doesnt meet sales expectations the monizeation will make up for it to more than likely break even or make the game profitable.
So really bioware isnt in that bad of shape financially speaking. and yes anthem represents a significant investment that has alot of risk but i dont think it will be the death of the company if it doesnt completely out of the park, especially if they find a way to monetize the game and increase its profitability. So i still think there is hope for another mass effect game to come out after anthem is released.
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Post by natetrace on Aug 27, 2018 20:08:43 GMT
Yeah I'm not convinced they are in that much trouble. When was the last time they had a game that didn't make money? Even if Andromeda didn't do as well critically or financially, it still made something. If EA truly only cares about the color green, as their detractors say, BioWare should be fine. A lack of critical success doesn't matter that much to them does it? If it did I think they'd listen more to criticism of their sports titles.
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Post by Basquemercat117 on Aug 27, 2018 20:55:27 GMT
Yeah I'm not convinced they are in that much trouble. When was the last time they had a game that didn't make money? Even if Andromeda didn't do as well critically or financially, it still made something. If EA truly only cares about the color green, as their detractors say, BioWare should be fine. A lack of critical success doesn't matter that much to them does it? If it did I think they'd listen more to criticism of their sports titles. i agree. look at dice, both battle fronts hasnt done very well and battle field hardline was a flop, but dice is still here. so i dont see how bioware is all of a sudden in a hot spot.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 27, 2018 22:33:41 GMT
While I agree they aren't in as much trouble as the internet narrative wants to claim. The total investment for Andromeda was $100 million Canadian according to BioWare for that includes R&D Costs, development costs, and marketing. EA told us the game did well enough when they mentioned they had $50 million USD in deferred payments from special editions alone. The big problem would be if Andromeda lost money and I highly doubt it did, it just wasn't as profitable as games were projected to me. Even Andrew Wilson puts a dent in how bad the game did with this...
I doubt if Anthem has a poor showing BioWare is in any real trouble and personally I think too many people are looking at it as "it must be like all older BioWare games because I want to play it. That isn't the audience BioWare is looking for they are looking for new people to be interested in their games for frankly I think they are seeing they cannot please the vocal aspects of their playerbase anyway.
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Post by river82 on Aug 27, 2018 22:43:09 GMT
While I agree they aren't in as much trouble as the internet narrative wants to claim. The total investment for Andromeda was $100 million Canadian according to BioWare for that includes R&D Costs, development costs, and marketing. You beat me to it Total budget for Andromeda was the same as the Witcher 3, which isn't cheap.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 28, 2018 3:33:56 GMT
I can see that BioWare is trying to compete with a particular market. I just don't want them to leave behind those who don't have high speed (me) and aren't good enough players to work well in a team situation. I'm an SP kind of guy so I'm hoping the next ME and DA remain single player with optional MP.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 28, 2018 3:43:03 GMT
TW3 cost 81 million USD. I haven't been able to find anything suggesting MEA cost more than 40 million USD. Maybe I'm not looking in the right places so if you could cite a source I'd like to see it. Mind you, my sources are not official by any stretch.
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Post by river82 on Aug 28, 2018 5:12:36 GMT
TW3 cost 81 million USD. I haven't been able to find anything suggesting MEA cost more than 40 million USD. Maybe I'm not looking in the right places so if you could cite a source I'd like to see it. Mind you, my sources are not official by any stretch. The 81 million USD you're quoting is the total budget of Witcher 3, which includes development and marketing. The 40 million you're quoting for MEA is only the development budget. The Edmonton Journal reported the total budget of Andromeda as 100 million CAD, which is about 80 million USD. The game took four years to develop, using a team of about 100 people and an approximately $100-million budget, including marketing and research.Flynn expects it will sell at least five million copies at an $80 retail price.edmontonjournal.com/news/local-news/edmontons-bioware-uses-upcoming-release-of-mass-effect-andromeda-to-push-for-industry-tax-creditsCD Projekt Red has announced exactly how much money it spent to make the celebrated open-world role-playing game, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt. Speaking during CD Projekt Red's latest financial briefing, the English translation of which was published today, CEO Adam Kicinski revealed the game's total budget--including development and marketing costs--as 306 million złoty or about $81 million USD.www.gamespot.com/articles/this-is-how-much-the-witcher-3-cost-to-make/1100-6430409/
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 28, 2018 7:28:35 GMT
Its a pretty popular opinion to see if anthem fails so will bioware which destroys any hope for a new mass effect. And to a certain extent i do believe that, but it will have to fail in a incredible fashion. but truly i dont think bioware is that tough of a situation that if the game doesnt match expectations bioware will still live on. Here's why: first lets look at the games they have released and how well they have done: Dragon age Inquisition was the best selling game in biowares history, MEA though sales wise didnt do well, the multiplayer was very profitable and was one of the reasons why bioware did well in the quarter it was released, and finally star wars the old republic though not as popular as it once was is still making some money or at least enough to sustain themselves. Lets also remember that MEA was made for only 40 million dollars which is cheap for a AAA game, which helped it not be as hard of a hit to bioware. So really from EA perspective bioware has proven its worth as a company in making profitable games. Now lets looks at anthem. honestly anthem is a significant investment that alot of love has been poured into which is why bioware is feeling the pressure, it doesnt seem they are under pressure from the fate of the company. And look at the type of game anthem is, its a multiplayer RPG that is going to have some sort of monitezation to it. And games like the destiny series and GTA 5 show that an RPG with multiplayer and can be monetized within the game increases the profitability of the game. Even in the case if Destiny who the second installments sales were lacking compared to its prior game still made a hefty profit because of its monitezation. so even if anthem doesnt meet sales expectations the monizeation will make up for it to more than likely break even or make the game profitable. So really bioware isnt in that bad of shape financially speaking. and yes anthem represents a significant investment that has alot of risk but i dont think it will be the death of the company if it doesnt completely out of the park, especially if they find a way to monetize the game and increase its profitability. So i still think there is hope for another mass effect game to come out after anthem is released. No, they're into a lot of trouble because they keep on screwing things up, and expected people to like them. And if Anthem does fail then it's all over for them and they'll be EA now, and will no longer be BioWare.
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Post by bizantura on Aug 28, 2018 11:10:40 GMT
If EA is in trouble so is Bioware.
I just replayed the ME trilogy and frankly, it isn't comparable to MEA. The trilogy is leaps and bounds better on all fronts save gameplay and that seems clearly designed for multiplayer.
The quality of EA portfolio is very much in decline next to their milking practices. I think EA will have to do something about their business practises and yes, I do think geants in their arrogance can fall prone to bancrupcy. All I see them do is like politicians, doubble down in same old, same old!
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 28, 2018 12:01:39 GMT
If EA is in trouble so is Bioware. I just replayed the ME trilogy and frankly, it isn't comparable to MEA. The trilogy is leaps and bounds better on all fronts save gameplay and that seems clearly designed for multiplayer. The quality of EA portfolio is very much in decline next to their milking practices. I think EA will have to do something about their business practises and yes, I do think geants in their arrogance can fall prone to bancrupcy. All I see them do is like politicians, doubble down in same old, same old! The way I am reading your post there a lot of personal opinions without facts to back it up. EA isn't losing money they are still generating profits because they are altering and changing what they release to fit within market trends. You might not like what they are producing, but it doesn't mean how you feel is what is happening. EA is investing in new smaller games before investing tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars in development and marketing for it. If you want to talk about arrogance right now that would be Sony with isolating themselves when developers are calling for a more freedom between platforms to a level that hasn't been seen in the past. Claiming they are milking their franchises to me is a subjective issue to take, for if they "forced" BioWare to stay in the Milky Way and use Shepard that would be milking it because they would be staying with the same thing and not taking risks on altering the paradigm. They are looking for different ways to approach their games all the time and yes they stick with existing franchises, but look at how people are already complaining about Anthem because it doesn't look like old BioWare games.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Aug 28, 2018 13:41:36 GMT
I hadn't heard this. I guess I would have assumed there were a few people who felt this way, but I never would have guessed it was any kind of prevailing view.
BioWare is in no immediate danger. Anthem could fail badly (which I seriously doubt it will) and the company would still exist. The success or failure of Anthem, itself, is very unlikely to have any effect on the future of Mass Effect. The only thing it would have influenced would be future multiplayer (if Mass Effect wasn't already directly responsible for Anthem's existence because of ME 3's multiplayer.)
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 28, 2018 14:59:50 GMT
Its a pretty popular opinion to see if anthem fails so will bioware which destroys any hope for a new mass effect. And to a certain extent i do believe that, but it will have to fail in a incredible fashion. but truly i dont think bioware is that tough of a situation that if the game doesnt match expectations bioware will still live on. Here's why: first lets look at the games they have released and how well they have done: Dragon age Inquisition was the best selling game in biowares history, MEA though sales wise didnt do well, the multiplayer was very profitable and was one of the reasons why bioware did well in the quarter it was released, and finally star wars the old republic though not as popular as it once was is still making some money or at least enough to sustain themselves. Lets also remember that MEA was made for only 40 million dollars which is cheap for a AAA game, which helped it not be as hard of a hit to bioware. So really from EA perspective bioware has proven its worth as a company in making profitable games. Now lets looks at anthem. honestly anthem is a significant investment that alot of love has been poured into which is why bioware is feeling the pressure, it doesnt seem they are under pressure from the fate of the company. And look at the type of game anthem is, its a multiplayer RPG that is going to have some sort of monitezation to it. And games like the destiny series and GTA 5 show that an RPG with multiplayer and can be monetized within the game increases the profitability of the game. Even in the case if Destiny who the second installments sales were lacking compared to its prior game still made a hefty profit because of its monitezation. so even if anthem doesnt meet sales expectations the monizeation will make up for it to more than likely break even or make the game profitable. So really bioware isnt in that bad of shape financially speaking. and yes anthem represents a significant investment that has alot of risk but i dont think it will be the death of the company if it doesnt completely out of the park, especially if they find a way to monetize the game and increase its profitability. So i still think there is hope for another mass effect game to come out after anthem is released. No, imo they're into a lot of trouble becauae they keep on screwing things up, and expected people to like them. And if Anthem does fail then it's all over for them and they'll be EA now, and will no longer be BioWare. You forgot to add imo so I did it for you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 15:46:12 GMT
But i dont weigh as much as a duck, so i cant be made of wood, sooo there for......
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 28, 2018 16:11:54 GMT
No, imo they're into a lot of trouble becauae they keep on screwing things up, and expected people to like them. And if Anthem does fail then it's all over for them and they'll be EA now, and will no longer be BioWare. You forgot to add imo so I did it for you. Don't forget "they're evil and bad and smell bad...and they are ugly too!!!1"
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 28, 2018 16:20:19 GMT
"Andromeda" made money, EA's leaders expressed as much to investors and were positive about it, which they didn't have to be unless it was legit...it is an investor call after all.
"Andromeda" was a "failure" only in the sense of "criticism" and "prestige". The fact that Motive absorbed BioWare Montreal gives a sense of that studio's dysfunction and BioWare's need to reign in their developmental assets a bit and re-focus.
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Did you get better? ....I did....BURN 'EM ANYWAY!
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 29, 2018 13:21:13 GMT
BioWare/EA spent 60mil on marketing and research for MEA?
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 29, 2018 13:54:24 GMT
BioWare/EA spent 60mil on marketing and research for MEA? The thing is we don't know the full story so it could have well worked well for EA. Have USD$50 million dollars of just premium versions of the game deferred to another quarter for revenue I think it might have worked just fine at the areas those would have been aimed at.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 29, 2018 14:12:47 GMT
BioWare/EA spent 60mil on marketing and research for MEA? The thing is we don't know the full story so it could have well worked well for EA. Have USD$50 million dollars of just premium versions of the game deferred to another quarter for revenue I think it might have worked just fine at the areas those would have been aimed at. Everything you said could be true, and my book is still priceless reading for BioWare. The marketing they did for the game was terrible. Nobody will argue that that paid any attention to it. Too little, too late, demo gave away too much without enough lead time for taking feedback and turning it into bugfixing. Research - yes, that's where most of the money went, on an aborted procedural NMS that was well beyond the little studio's skill. Total waste of money. $60 million, and know the marketing was limited and late, pointing to most of that money wasted in unused R&D. They should learn from that.
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