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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 26, 2018 0:41:07 GMT
It's got issues, sure, mostly (IMO) after EA took control. It's not what it was in it's best years but I don't think it's bad. I liked ME3 and I liked MEA. Both have their flaws but I challenge you to find one that doesn't. Tbh, I wasn't enthralled with the Witcher series. I preferred BW. Out of curiosity, when would you say was their best years? I was a huge fan of Neverwinter Nights and KOTOR. Those are probably some of their best works.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 26, 2018 0:43:46 GMT
Out of curiosity, when would you say was their best years? I was a huge fan of Neverwinter Nights and KOTOR. Those are probably some of their best works. Okay, I can see that. KOTOR was my introduction to BioWare so yeah it deserves credit since seeing the name was part of why I got interested in Mass Effect and Dragon Age.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 1:04:30 GMT
It's got issues, sure, mostly (IMO) after EA took control. It's not what it was in it's best years but I don't think it's bad. I liked ME3 and I liked MEA. Both have their flaws but I challenge you to find one that doesn't. Tbh, I wasn't enthralled with the Witcher series. I preferred BW. Out of curiosity, when would you say was their best years? 2003-2010
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 26, 2018 3:52:31 GMT
Out of curiosity, when would you say was their best years? 2003-2010 Which means you include ME1 and ME2, as well as DAO and DA2. If that's the case, and you truly are unhappy with everything after, don't expect much out of Anthem, DA4 or ME5. The main issue I have with later games is the decrease of choice. We're seeing less RPG and more [I'm blanking on the name] the type of game where you're essentially reading a book and pretending to have a choice in outcomes. Other than minor variations, the ending is essentially set. I think that can be reversed. That's the sort of stuff I miss and one reason why I'm all about the ME1 talent tree and less about the 4 or 5 "choices" you get in ME2 and ME3. BW did restore the talent tree in MEA so maybe they can really take the time to figure out what players are looking for.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 4:06:18 GMT
Which means you include ME1 and ME2, as well as DAO and DA2. If that's the case, and you truly are unhappy with everything after, don't expect much out of Anthem, DA4 or ME5. The main issue I have with later games is the decrease of choice. We're seeing less RPG and more [I'm blanking on the name] the type of game where you're essentially reading a book and pretending to have a choice in outcomes. Other than minor variations, the ending is essentially set. I think that can be reversed. That's the sort of stuff I miss and one reason why I'm all about the ME1 talent tree and less about the 4 or 5 "choices" you get in ME2 and ME3. BW did restore the talent tree in MEA so maybe they can really take the time to figure out what players are looking for. No DA2 for sure! Could only do 1 play through and had to grit my teeth just to accomplish that. Never made it though DAI and probably never will! I feel about Anthem just like I felt about Destiny... ...couldn't care less!
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 26, 2018 4:06:59 GMT
Which means you include ME1 and ME2, as well as DAO and DA2. If that's the case, and you truly are unhappy with everything after, don't expect much out of Anthem, DA4 or ME5. The main issue I have with later games is the decrease of choice. We're seeing less RPG and more [I'm blanking on the name] the type of game where you're essentially reading a book and pretending to have a choice in outcomes. Other than minor variations, the ending is essentially set. I think that can be reversed. That's the sort of stuff I miss and one reason why I'm all about the ME1 talent tree and less about the 4 or 5 "choices" you get in ME2 and ME3. BW did restore the talent tree in MEA so maybe they can really take the time to figure out what players are looking for. Did you play Inquisition at all? I think it had the best dialogue system in the voiced BioWare era and its why I am as disappointed in the Montreal Team as I am for they seemed to have ignored a conversation system and others and replaced them with subpar ones. I never felt like I had 4-5 choices in a lot of BioWare games and in Dragon Age: Origins there might have been that many lines, but a lot of those lines felt like they were the same kind of dialogue you would have gotten by just going "investigate" in Mass Effect 1 and 2. The removal of the more neutral option was a bummer from Mass Effect 3, but it felt like they were trying to make Shepard's choices less extreme and like BioWare normally does instead of just removing a few problematic neutral instances they just removed all neutral instances.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 4:13:47 GMT
Which means you include ME1 and ME2, as well as DAO and DA2. If that's the case, and you truly are unhappy with everything after, don't expect much out of Anthem, DA4 or ME5. The main issue I have with later games is the decrease of choice. We're seeing less RPG and more [I'm blanking on the name] the type of game where you're essentially reading a book and pretending to have a choice in outcomes. Other than minor variations, the ending is essentially set. I think that can be reversed. That's the sort of stuff I miss and one reason why I'm all about the ME1 talent tree and less about the 4 or 5 "choices" you get in ME2 and ME3. BW did restore the talent tree in MEA so maybe they can really take the time to figure out what players are looking for. Did you play Inquisition at all? I think it had the best dialogue system in the voiced BioWare era and its why I am as disappointed in the Montreal Team as I am for they seemed to have ignored a conversation system and others and replaced them with subpar ones. I never felt like I had 4-5 choices in a lot of BioWare games and in Dragon Age: Origins there might have been that many lines, but a lot of those lines felt like they were the same kind of dialogue you would have gotten by just going "investigate" in Mass Effect 1 and 2. The removal of the more neutral option was a bummer from Mass Effect 3, but it felt like they were trying to make Shepard's choices less extreme and like BioWare normally does instead of just removing a few problematic neutral instances they just removed all neutral instances. I've always felt like they shoehorned Shepard in ME3 into a certain path to push the story in a way that made it easier for Bioware. The whole "PTSD" deal just didn't do it for me and was a big part of why ME3 was a disappointment (more so than the ending). As I've said in the past, It didn't feel like my Shepard anymore.
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 26, 2018 4:22:40 GMT
I feel about Anthem just like I felt about Destiny... ...couldn't care less! We're in agreement there. I hope to be playing Cyberpunk 2077 when Anthem comes out. That's partly because Anthem essentially has no player choice whereas I'm a huge cyberpunk fan and love a game based around it. (Played Shadowrun when it first came out on Super Nintendo. Also read William Gibson and several others who wrote cyberpunk.)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 4:29:24 GMT
I feel about Anthem just like I felt about Destiny... ...couldn't care less! We're in agreement there. I hope to be playing Cyberpunk 2077 when Anthem comes out. That's partly because Anthem essentially has no player choice whereas I'm a huge cyberpunk fan and love a game based around it. (Played Shadowrun when it first came out on Super Nintendo. Also read William Gibson and several others who wrote cyberpunk.) I LOVE anything Cyberpunk/Steampunk. Games, Anime, Movies, etc. I'm just scared that I might overhype Cyberpunk 2077 too much and it fail to satisfy... ...but I doubt it will!
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 26, 2018 5:43:52 GMT
Did you play Inquisition at all? I think it had the best dialogue system in the voiced BioWare era and its why I am as disappointed in the Montreal Team as I am for they seemed to have ignored a conversation system and others and replaced them with subpar ones. I never felt like I had 4-5 choices in a lot of BioWare games and in Dragon Age: Origins there might have been that many lines, but a lot of those lines felt like they were the same kind of dialogue you would have gotten by just going "investigate" in Mass Effect 1 and 2. The removal of the more neutral option was a bummer from Mass Effect 3, but it felt like they were trying to make Shepard's choices less extreme and like BioWare normally does instead of just removing a few problematic neutral instances they just removed all neutral instances. I've always felt like they shoehorned Shepard in ME3 into a certain path to push the story in a way that made it easier for Bioware. The whole "PTSD" deal just didn't do it for me and was a big part of why ME3 was a disappointment (more so than the ending). As I've said in the past, It didn't feel like my Shepard anymore. Truth be told, it was the writers who screwed up the story and the main protagonist.
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Post by Obadiah on Nov 26, 2018 9:11:50 GMT
Which means you include ME1 and ME2, as well as DAO and DA2. If that's the case, and you truly are unhappy with everything after, don't expect much out of Anthem, DA4 or ME5. The main issue I have with later games is the decrease of choice. We're seeing less RPG and more [I'm blanking on the name] the type of game where you're essentially reading a book and pretending to have a choice in outcomes. Other than minor variations, the ending is essentially set. I think that can be reversed. That's the sort of stuff I miss and one reason why I'm all about the ME1 talent tree and less about the 4 or 5 "choices" you get in ME2 and ME3. BW did restore the talent tree in MEA so maybe they can really take the time to figure out what players are looking for. No DA2 for sure! Could only do 1 play through and had to grit my teeth just to accomplish that. Never made it though DAI and probably never will! I feel about Anthem just like I felt about Destiny... ...couldn't care less! DA2 grew on me. It's... uh... efficient. Also, Bran is pretty entertaining.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 26, 2018 9:41:15 GMT
I bought it on Pc but also have a PS4 Pro and the sales came across on both. The only one I don't know for sure is Xbox but if it goes on sale for Pc and the ps4 I'm pretty sure it would have went on sale for the xbox also. I played Andromeda on PS4 bought it day one 70 bucks for deluxe edition, within 4 or 5 months it was on sell, going for 20 bucks. I was pissed.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 26, 2018 9:43:47 GMT
Let me know when CDPR has either. *Looking at Andromeda and Inquisition*
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 26, 2018 15:46:11 GMT
Let me know when CDPR has either. *Looking at Andromeda and Inquisition* Both are better than any of the Witcher games.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 15:50:20 GMT
*Looking at Andromeda and Inquisition* Both are better than any of the Witcher games. Really? Sales numbers and critics would disagree. But you already knew that...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 26, 2018 15:56:24 GMT
Both are better than any of the Witcher games. Really? Sales numbers and critics would disagree. But you already knew that... Yes, really. Without question. Sales numbers don’t prove quality. Fifty Shades of Grey is one of the best selling books of all time, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t garbage.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 16:02:32 GMT
Really? Sales numbers and critics would disagree. But you already knew that... Yes, really. Without question. Sales numbers don’t prove quality. Fifty Shades of Grey is one of the best selling books of all time, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t garbage. But game play and the overall general consensus does. Critics and players a like love it. You not changes nothing....
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 26, 2018 16:06:19 GMT
Yes, really. Without question. Sales numbers don’t prove quality. Fifty Shades of Grey is one of the best selling books of all time, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t garbage. But game play and the overall general consensus does. Critics and players a like love it. You not changes nothing.... They also did with Inquisition.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 16:11:43 GMT
But game play and the overall general consensus does. Critics and players a like love it. You not changes nothing.... They also did with Inquisition. Try again... If you look at the comparison of critics to players you'll see a pretty big gap. You don't see that with The Witcher 3 and thats with TW3 having 10 times as many votes!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 26, 2018 16:19:48 GMT
They also did with Inquisition. Try again... If you look at the comparison of critics to players you'll see a pretty big gap. You don't see that with The Witcher 3 and thats with TW3 having 10 times as many votes! No need to. I proved your argument as invalid. What do you mean by pretty big gap?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 16:29:48 GMT
Try again... If you look at the comparison of critics to players you'll see a pretty big gap. You don't see that with The Witcher 3 and thats with TW3 having 10 times as many votes! No need to. I proved your argument as invalid. What do you mean by pretty big gap? In your own head I guess... Go check any publication that stores both critic and fans votes alike (Reddit, Meta, etc) www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/dragon-age-inquisitionwww.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/the-witcher-3-wild-huntAnd before you hate on meta answer me this...why does TW3 have 10 times as many fans votes still still the same score as the critics while DAI is pretty damn far off?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 26, 2018 16:37:30 GMT
There are many reasons I can think of that have nothing to do with the quality of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 16:40:44 GMT
There are many reasons I can think of that have nothing to do with the quality of the game. Ok, do share? Let me guess, your #1 will be that they all were just haters against Bioware right?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 26, 2018 16:44:50 GMT
There are many reasons I can think of that have nothing to do with the quality of the game. Ok, do share? Let me guess, your #1 will be that they all were just haters against Bioware right? No, that was actually neither of the things that popped to my mind. #1 would be people voting multiple times to make the game look the way they want. That’s why I don’t trust online polls where anyone can vote, not just with games but with anything.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 16:48:21 GMT
Ok, do share? Let me guess, your #1 will be that they all were just haters against Bioware right? No, that was actually neither of the things that popped to my mind. #1 would be people voting multiple times to make the game look the way they want. That’s why I don’t trust online polls where anyone can vote, not just with games but with anything. So what your saying is that people are spend all day making multiple email or facebook accounts just to sway a score... Edit: So I am right then? You're "implying" people are "haters" for giving DAI such a low score or "fanboys" for giving TW3 such a high one right? You're implying something, that's for sure...
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