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Post by wickedcool on Sept 28, 2018 13:03:53 GMT
Bianca sieving and saying she is a better smith than others can’t be a throwaway line
Right now there are 3 powerful dwarven women that should have a huge impact on the da universe (Dagna and valta)
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Post by Iddy on Sept 28, 2018 14:37:41 GMT
While I agree that DAO dwarves had gorilla arms and that had to change, I did love one thing about their design: They were THICC.
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Post by Merela on Sept 28, 2018 15:34:52 GMT
While I agree that DAO dwarves had gorilla arms and that had to change, I did love one thing about their design: They were THICC. Now they're smol. I'm sure there is a market for both designs, but the change was (and still is) a bit jarring.
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Post by Finvola on Sept 29, 2018 5:11:34 GMT
I never played dwarf males in DAO but I will say I always thought my lady wardens were cute AF.
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Post by Iddy on Sept 30, 2018 18:03:44 GMT
I've been thinking... dwarves probably don't have a problem with blood magic.
After all, they aren't raised under Andrastian beliefs. Orzammar never faces magic related problems and dwarves have their natural immunity too.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Sept 30, 2018 22:01:51 GMT
I've been thinking... dwarves probably don't have a problem with blood magic. After all, they aren't raised under Andrastian beliefs. Orzammar never faces magic related problems and dwarves have their natural immunity too. You could have issues with it from a practical standpoint, even if not a moral one. The whole demon thing is the main reason to be against it. Demons are unpredictable and not trustworthy. Making a deal with them is incredibly dangerous.
If you're considering the choice with Connor, there could be any number of reasons you choose not to go with the blood magic route. You might just be turned off by Isolde sacrificing herself (yes, even if it's her choice). Being newly arrived on the surface and interacting with mages and magic for the first time, you could be confused and suspicious about magic and anything to do with it. You could simply be a "hammer, meet nail" sort of fighter and believe that killing Connor is the best solution. You could embrace the hopeful route and seek the assistance of the mages. None of those things involve making a moral judgement against blood magic.
On my recent play (with a Cousland), I took the blood magic route. There was no moral judgement for me there; I simply felt that taking a week+ (before even knowing about the troubles in the tower) to go to the tower and attempt to seek the mages' assistance was too risky. In addition, I reasoned that since Isolde was willing, that was her business and didn't stand in her way. Sure Alistair was pissed, but I didn't care, to be perfectly honest. I didn't do much to cultivate his friendship in the game, lol...
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 3, 2018 3:54:17 GMT
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Post by Iddy on Oct 4, 2018 3:21:53 GMT
Did your Aeducans struggle with accepting the fact that they've become casteless and severed from the Stone?
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Post by Nightscrawl on Oct 4, 2018 3:35:32 GMT
Did your Aeducans struggle with accepting the fact that they've become casteless and severed from the Stone? I didn't do much RP with my Aeducan. It was my very first DAO play back in 2009 and I was still learning about the world and lore.
If I think back now, I probably would retroactively have her be devastated at the loss of Gorim and pining for him for a very long time (despite being happy that he's now happy on the surface). After that would be a deep, long-lasting anger at Behlen for his betrayal and at herself for her naivete. Aside from that would be a focus on the task at hand. Getting used to the surface would take a while, but would happen after a few weeks and wouldn't be much of an issue after Ostagar.
I don't think she would much care about being "severed from the Stone" and might not have felt a great connection to the Stone to begin with. As for now being casteless, interacting with surface dwarves would quickly dispel any negative feelings regarding that. Even without the added stigma of being casteless, her loss of status, wealth, and power would have happened regardless, which is the greater concern.
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 4, 2018 3:36:19 GMT
My female Aeducan did. For her it was pretty traumatizing - she had a firm idea of who she was and that identity was all tied up in being an Aeducan, being noble, knowing her place in the Stone. She's accepted being a Grey Warden now and has made a meaningful life for herself on the surface, but I think a part of her will always mourn what she left behind.
My male Aeducan on the other hand... LOL. He never had any ambition and was glad to foist the crown on someone else. He was a scholar who had always been fascinated by the surface (and the Stone; it was all of equal academic interest to him). He felt more useful as a Grey Warden than he ever did as the second son of the dwarven king.
I've been working on a character who's kind of a mix of the both of them.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Oct 5, 2018 8:35:41 GMT
My Aeducan was devastated. She spent a substantial chunk of the game wanting to die. (And then she finally figured out that she didn't right when she had to anyway. It was a sad story.)
Many of my Wardens have gone on a quest to get Sten's sword back, but my Aeducan was really the only one who understood why he wanted it. If she'd been able to collect a sword and go home again, she's have done more than walk to the Frostbacks to get it.
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Post by Iddy on Oct 5, 2018 17:40:00 GMT
I imagine that the casteless are pretty much the atheists of Orzammar. They have no reason to care about the Stone or the ancestors.
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 5, 2018 18:08:29 GMT
I imagine that the casteless are pretty much the atheists of Orzammar. They have no reason to care about the Stone or the ancestors. I dunno about every casteless, but mine was more of a misotheist. He believed in the Stone, he just grew up believing he was rejected by it. I think he always hoped that that wasn't true, though, and that there was more to him than his ancestry suggested and that hey, maybe his ancestors had just gotten the shit end of the stick, too. I still remember that conversation you can have with Burkel about dwarves worshipping their ancestors: "No one worships my ancestors. My ancestors were nothing."
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 5, 2018 21:39:39 GMT
I don't know if anyone's interested, but I was going through my laptop and found a draft of a Brosca x Leliana fic I worked on years ago. It's just a schmoopy oneshot about love and literacy. Sorry for any errors, as this is several years old and also.... I totally stole Cassandra's book. Title: this flesh is made of words Summary: He didn't want to talk about books. Talking about books meant acknowledging he didn't know shit about books.
This flesh is made of words: Light me and I will burn like a brave, banned book - Kaimana Wolff
They'd been in Denerim, stocking up on supplies for the long trek to Redcliffe when he saw it.
Almost missed it, too, but gold embossed lettering on the cover caught the sunlight streaming in through the high windows of The Wonders of Thedas, drawing Yuri's eye from the endless rows of dusty books and magical baubles to a forgotten shelf in the back of the shop. The dwarf frowned, reaching for the little book half-hidden amid a myriad other objects alien to him.
It was smaller than his palm, bound in... suede, it looked like, with a single red ribbon for a placeholder. Calloused thumbs traced the title, unsure of its significance, unable to decipher it. Just knew that it looked fancy and expensive. Given that it was in this particular shop, it was probably meant to summon hordes of angry tezpadam or something equally heinous. He very nearly put it back - he couldn't read, had no use for books (unless they were as thick as that tome he'd lugged out of Kinloch Hold for Morrigan. That he could brain somebody with). But as he went to put it back, his thumb grazed a small design almost hidden on the spine. He squinted, trying to make it out.
"Ah! Rose Publications. Positively infamous in Orlais, or so I hear." That was Zevran, sidling up next to him with all the grace of a slinky housecat, and all the wicked manner besides. Yuri nearly jumped out of his skin; the book flew from his hands and he fumbled for it, cursing himself for his carelessness, for the fact that he'd let an assassin get the jump on him. Surface life's making you rusty, duster. (And if his inner voice sounded suspiciously like Leske, well... all the more reason to ignore it).
The elf was grinning at him, eyeing the book with renewed interest. "Of course - and you'll forgive my saying so - you do not strike me as a great fan of literature, my friend. Are you shopping for another, perhaps? A lucky amante you have not yet told us about? Details, Grey Warden!"
Everyone knew that bush was dead. It was grey and twisted and gnarled - the ugliest thing you ever saw, but there it was - a single, beautiful rose.
He thought about roses. Thought about... people who liked roses. The dwarf sighed, turning the book over in his hands. "It's not- I just thought it was... nice. Pretty. I like... pretty things," he finished lamely, shoving the book in his back pocket. He'd pay for it later.
Zevran's voice - a laughing "of course you do, hermano" - followed him as he beat a hasty exit out the door.
*
He gave the pilfered book to Leliana.
He hadn't actually meant to steal it, but he'd been so flustered at having been caught with it in the first place that he'd high-tailed it out the door without a second thought. By the time he remembered he even had it, they were well on their way to Lake Calenhad and it seemed like a waste of time and energy to slug all the way back to Denerim for a goddamn flimsy book.
It's not like he'd never had sticky fingers before - kids didn't eat in Dust Town if they kept their hands out of other people's pockets - but things were... different... now. Duncan had made him a Grey Warden, and he wanted to justify the man's faith in him, even if it meant going against every instinct in his body to go back to the scene of a crime and 'fess up. He got twitchy just thinking about it.
Anyway.
The book was Orlesian and pretty and reminded him of her. She liked stories and was good to him and he told her as much, and he must've been babbling for a while because eventually she raised one delicate finger to his lips, bringing Yuri's thoughts to a screeching halt with nothing but a gesture. His words died in his throat.
"Do you know what this is?" she asked, a small half-smile playing at her lips. She had very nice lips.
"It's a book," he answered, intelligently.
"Very observant. What sort of book?"
"An Orlesian book," he amended, remembering Zevran's words and trying very hard to sound like he knew what he was talking about.
Leliana was tracing the embossed letters on the front. "The title is Tevene. It is not strange that you do not know, being from Orzammar. Fortunately, I am versed in many languages..."
He didn't know Tevene from a lead pipe - probably knew lead pipes better, given his background - but he wasn't about to tell her that. The dwarf was about to find a convenient excuse to be anywhere else when she leaned over and pecked him on the cheek.
"Thank you. No one has ever given me anything like this before."
He let out a breath he didn't know he was holding.
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Later, as he and Sten were busy making dinner, he noticed her thumbing through it.
He tried not to stare - it was rude, and he didn't want to be a creeper besides - but she did look... awfully pretty, lounging there in the firelight outside her tent. Leliana's blue eyes were alight with interest as she scanned the tiny book. (The tiny Tevinter book, his mind supplied. He resisted the urge to throw a potato at Zevran's head, but only just. It wasn't the elf's fault Yuri didn't know anything about anything).
Yuri peeled potatoes and tried to focus on making dinner, on how many darkspawn they were going to kill tomorrow, on whether or not that smell wafting through camp was coming from Alistair or the dog. But it was hard to focus when he could hear Leliana sighing dreamily to herself, could practically see her slender fingers tracing sentences as she read them... he scowled at his own hands, knuckles gnarled from busting too many heads, and did his best to think about other things, like... dinner. Everybody has a niche. Best stick to peeling potatoes, Brosca.
"Is it good?" he found himself asking her instead, cursing himself and all his Ancestors for his big damn mouth. He didn't want to talk about books. Talking about books meant acknowledging he didn't know shit about books.
"Mmmm," Leliana murmured, nodding her assent. Her eyes met his across the fire and his breath caught in his throat. "But you should see for yourself. Why don't you come over here and read it to me?"
Amazing, he thought distantly, how a man's blood could run hot and cold at the same time. He wanted- oh, he wanted - and yet... accepting her invitation meant admitting that he couldn't read, didn't know if he could learn. Didn't know if she'd want him if he couldn't. And maybe he was interpreting things all wrong - maybe it was normal on the surface for cultured women to make eyes at scruffy Carta boys across camp, or maybe she wasn't making eyes at all. Maybe he was delusional. Mosswine that Mam was so bad on went to his head as a babe... maybe Leliana was being friendly, as generous with her affection as she was with most everything else. Maybe, maybe, maybe...
His thoughts were cut short when the knife he'd been using to peel potatoes slipped from his sweaty palm, slicing his thumb. He swore and shoved the digit in his mouth, partly to staunch the bleeding, partly so he wouldn't have to answer her question.
And then Leliana was rising from her pallet to fuss over his injury, and nobody was asking him to read anything, and everything was okay for now.
*
"I'm beginning to think you don't like me," Leliana said, conversationally. She sidled up next to him as their group took a winding trail through some Stone-forsaken forest filled with werewolves and darkspawn and blighted bears. He gaped at her, feeling about as dumb as a nug and half as cute.
"You give a girl flowers, poetry, pretty shoes... then refuse to spend time with her in a non-darkspawn killing capacity," she stopped, looked him dead in the eye. "You're going to give me a complex."
He floundered for a bit, though he had it on good authority (see: Zevran) that his confused face was manly and intimidating. Not that he wanted to intimidate her. Shit. This was difficult.
Flowers, sure. He'd gotten some that she said reminded her of her Mam, and wasn't that the least he could do since she at least had one worth remembering? And shoes, yeah, he'd... seen some froofy looking blue things, all covered in ribbons and lace and they'd reminded him of Rica in a way that made him want to set them on fucking fire until he remembered that Leliana liked shoes... and maybe, he thought, if she had them, she'd be happy, and then he could have some good memories of shoes to replace the bad ones and he'd be happy, too.
He shook his head. That wasn't helping.
"I'm sorry, I don't... I mean, you're great," he said, and he meant it. "But I'm just not sure--"
Leliana's face fell, and no, no that was not how this was supposed to go. "It's... better this way, I suppose. Thank you for being honest with me. I shall try not to let my feelings interfere with our goal, and I... sincerely hope that we can remain friends."
"It's not like that," he said, swallowing the panic that threatened to rise up at the sight of her wobbly smile. "I'm not- that's not what I meant at all. I just don't remember that. The poetry thing."
It was her turn to look at him in confusion. "How could you not remember the book? It was the very first gift you gave me."
The book. Of course.
Now or never, big guy.
"I didn't know what was in it. It was pretty. Had a flower on it. You like stories, and books usually have stories in them, and I figured that one must have a story in it because it didn't explode when I dropped it--"
"You didn't read through it, first?"
"It's- I mean, you said it yourself. I can't read that Tevinter crap."
"The title is in Tevene."
"Exactly."
"The rest of the book is not, however."
In the silence that followed, Yuri thought too much about truth and consequences, and Leliana thought about foolish boys with thick skulls. But her smile was fond when she reached for him, carding her hand through his hair. "Can you not read at all, then?"
He shook his head no, not trusting himself to speak, feeling a little bit like he'd missed something.
And she whispered softly in his ear, We will have to do something about that, won't we?
*
The next night, she called him to her tent. She placed the book in his hands, wrapping her hands around his larger ones. "This book is the Carmenum Di Amatus. The Garden of Love. It has been translated to Common from Tevene," she explained, settling down next to him. He tried not to feel claustrophobic in her tent - he was pretty sure his hovel in Dust Town hadn't been much bigger - but there was so little room and she kept leaning into him in a way that left his neck feeling hot.
"Oh," he said, as eloquent as ever.
She nodded as if he'd said something profound. "Yes. It's banned in five countries, you know. Not Orlais. I am... intimately familiar with it," and the way she stressed it had him second guessing her motives for dragging him in here.
But for all that it was stifling, her tent was also warm and comfortable and full of her, and that made it alright. He leaned back, surprised when she leaned into him, tucking her head under his chin as she got cozy. It felt... good. Leliana's voice a sweet murmur, her body flush against his, her long legs beside his own seeming to stretch on forever.
"His lips on mine speak words not voiced... a prayer, which travels down my spine like flames that shatter night..." And when she leant up to press her soft lips against his, he was only a little surprised.
*
He wrote every day. Wasn't very good at it, but he made an effort.
i m not good very riting i. dont no why you teech teach me this things i. am not worht
And she would correct him, first his letters and grammar and then his facts, kissing away his doubt, telling him without words that he was wanted, worthy. And when Marjolaine lay dead at her feet, he returned the favor: "Evil doesn't worry about not being good," he'd said, and he had taken her face in his hands and kissed her with every ounce of feeling she'd ever poured into him, fear and acceptance and willfulness and most of all, unconditional love.
He hoped it was enough.
At night she read, voice whisper-soft in the stillness of her - their - tent, and sometimes he would join her. Most nights, he practiced his letters. Practiced, and listened.
my Name is yuryyuriy. My name is yuri Broska.
Endless itinerations of the same simple phrase. He crossed them out, one by one. Wrote L-E-L-I-A-N-A instead.
"His eyes reflect the heaven's stars, the Maker's light..."
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Ten years and hundreds of thousands of miles later, Yuri was reading and writing in three different languages. Mostly reports. Research. Poems were scarce these days, but it didn't matter because at the end of the day, no matter who his letters were addressed to, he was still writing to her, about her. For her.
Your Worship,
I was not there for the death of Divine Justinia, but I know it will have hurt her terribly. While her wits and her skill are amazing, Leliana's greatest strength lies in her faith, and to have Justinia die strikes at her very core.
I beg you, if she is faltering, help her find her way back to the light...
fin.
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Post by Sifr on Oct 6, 2018 0:27:47 GMT
I don't know if anyone's interested, but I was going through my laptop and found a draft of a Brosca x Leliana fic I worked on years ago. It's just a schmoopy oneshot about love and literacy. Sorry for any errors, as this is several years old and also.... I totally stole Cassandra's book. Did you ever post this onto AO3, because I'm almost certain I've read it before somewhere?
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 6, 2018 0:47:45 GMT
I don't know if anyone's interested, but I was going through my laptop and found a draft of a Brosca x Leliana fic I worked on years ago. It's just a schmoopy oneshot about love and literacy. Sorry for any errors, as this is several years old and also.... I totally stole Cassandra's book. Did you ever post this onto AO3, because I'm almost certain I've read it before somewhere? It's entirely possible! I don't remember my login info for ao3, so I don't remember if I've posted it. 😅
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Post by Sifr on Oct 6, 2018 23:30:13 GMT
Did you ever post this onto AO3, because I'm almost certain I've read it before somewhere? It's entirely possible! I don't remember my login info for ao3, so I don't remember if I've posted it. 😅 I did a quick search on AO3 and couldn't find it, but I definitely remember reading this before. The reason it stuck with me because it helped inspire my headcanon for how my own Brosca became literate... and because Leliana/Brosca pairings are adorable to read.
Didn't realise you were the author?
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 7, 2018 2:52:17 GMT
It's entirely possible! I don't remember my login info for ao3, so I don't remember if I've posted it. 😅 I did a quick search on AO3 and couldn't find it, but I definitely remember reading this before. The reason it stuck with me because it helped inspire my headcanon for how my own Brosca became literate... and because Leliana/Brosca pairings are adorable to read.
Didn't realise you were the author? Found it! Took a little digging, but it's there. I couldn't remember if I ever posted it online. I'm happy to have helped inspire your headcanon, haha.
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Post by Iddy on Oct 9, 2018 17:19:48 GMT
Male dwarves improved greatly in DAI.
Back in DAO, they looked terrible underneath the beard. Like a genlock buttfucked a deepstalker and had a baby.
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Post by Iddy on Oct 17, 2018 23:59:38 GMT
So, I've finally arrived at Orzammar in my Aeducan pt. The ideal revenge would be gaining Bhelen's trust and then crowning Harrowmont in the last minute.
Thing is... that sounds very metagamey. The Warden doesn't know she is gonna meet paragon Caridin and then get to pick the next king.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Oct 18, 2018 0:21:49 GMT
The ideal revenge would be gaining Bhelen's trust and then crowning Harrowmont in the last minute. I think this can only work if you do a liberal amount of headcanon. From right off the bat with his tasks, Behlen comes across as diabolical and dishonest. Your character has to be okay with doing those things on their own merits, or at least ignore that aspect of it with an "ends justify the means" attitude of gaining ultimate revenge. And yes, you do make a good point about metagamey.
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Post by Iddy on Oct 19, 2018 17:37:10 GMT
The bad part of siding with Harrowmont is that you don't get to meet Bhelen and have a nice family reunion.
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Post by Sifr on Oct 20, 2018 6:31:00 GMT
Even if he's not the better choice for Orzammar, it's a shame we can't convince Bhelen to spare Harrowmont's life, by exiling him to the surface instead. Harrowmont's two defining traits are being honourable and a firm traditionalist, so being stripped of his caste and exile would mean he would no longer be able (or willing) to contend the throne.
After all, he was willing to accept execution if it was what his King willed, so I don't imagine he'd continue to plot against Bhelen if he was rendered casteless and sent to the surface. He might want to, but his sense of honour and traditional values would know that it would not accomplish anything, nor remove his exile.
Then again, I could also imagine that Harrowmont might demand execution over being sent into exile, preferring to die as a dwarf with his honour intact, rather than on the surface as someone rejected by the Ancestors/Stone.
In which case, I wouldn't discount Bhelen being petty enough to exile him out of pure spite.
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Post by Iddy on Oct 29, 2018 11:36:51 GMT
Putting Bhelen on the throne feels so wrong. Sometimes I wonder if it was worth it.
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