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Post by tishina on Aug 27, 2016 4:14:28 GMT
The height weirdness in Blackwall's romance was so disappointing to me because I really wanted to romance him with a female Qunari, primarily for the whole tall-and-small thing. And then I saw the scenes on YT...siiiiiiggggh. I was disappointed by that too. I really wanted exactly that effect with the taller woman to shorter man. Apparently she gets on her knees every time they get close to each other. I'll have to settle for a female qunari with Sera when I get around to it.
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Post by Sifr on Aug 28, 2016 1:00:01 GMT
Sigh. The Dwarf Support Thread is officially closed, as of about lunch time in the US/Canada. Atrast tunsha to the old, atrast vala to the new. Valos atredum. The entire forums closed at 17.04 GMT. The final words ever posted in the bsn were: 'dear conal blep mlem mlem' I'd love to see this memoralised in DA4. In the Deep Roads, we discover the final message from a dead Dwarf, who only managed to get out "Dear Conal" before the writing became total gibberish, as he succumbed to the madness of the taint. And would double as nice "Castle Aaaaaarrrrghh" reference as well. (Atrast vala, salroka... what's shaping?)
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Post by Iddy on Aug 28, 2016 1:27:26 GMT
So I wonder... are the dwarves like the qunari when it comes to one's job?
That is, would a dwarf from the warrior caste be allowed to pursue nug wrangling?
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Post by Sifr on Aug 28, 2016 1:39:03 GMT
They probably have the freedom to nug wrangle, but they wouldn't dare risk doing it. It'd most likely get them exiled for embarrassing the entire warrior caste, by doing the sort of dirty job that the Casteless are known for.
Varric's father got all of House Tethras exiled for fixing Provings and embarrassing the warrior caste, even though he was technically a higher caste than they were.
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Post by illyria on Aug 28, 2016 1:45:07 GMT
The entire forums closed at 17.04 GMT. The final words ever posted in the bsn were: 'dear conal blep mlem mlem' I'd love to see this memoralised in DA4. In the Deep Roads, we discover the final message from a dead Dwarf, who only managed to get out "Dear Conal" before the writing became total gibberish, as he succumbed to the madness of the taint. And would double as nice "Castle Aaaaaarrrrghh" reference as well. (Atrast vala, salroka... what's shaping?) Sifr! You made it! Atrast vala! I'd love that to be referenced. Over in the blanketfort there's people wanting it to be Solas' dying words.
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Post by tishina on Aug 28, 2016 2:26:20 GMT
The entire forums closed at 17.04 GMT. The final words ever posted in the bsn were: 'dear conal blep mlem mlem' I'd love to see this memoralised in DA4. In the Deep Roads, we discover the final message from a dead Dwarf, who only managed to get out "Dear Conal" before the writing became total gibberish, as he succumbed to the madness of the taint. And would double as nice "Castle Aaaaaarrrrghh" reference as well. (Atrast vala, salroka... what's shaping?) Yes! Edit: Atrast vala, salroka, so glad to see you made it, btw!
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Post by tishina on Aug 28, 2016 2:31:50 GMT
So I wonder... are the dwarves like the qunari when it comes to one's job? That is, would a dwarf from the warrior caste be allowed to pursue nug wrangling? In Orzammar, you're limited by what's appropriate to your caste if you don't want to lose caste (or worse, it's clear in the Brosca origin that caste violations is a crime.) On the surface, of course, technically it doesn't matter. But clearly a lot of people still keep to caste lines on the surface for whatever reason...
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Post by cespar on Aug 28, 2016 19:31:09 GMT
I might have to try that mod. The way I play dwarves, Cullen always seemed like a natural fit. I'm curious: does anyone else play not-very dwarfish dwarves? Moreso even than my humans, the Broscas and Cadashes tend to be devout Andrastians and hate the Stone b/c of their untouchable status. Aeducans much less so, but since I prefer playing women, they were glad to be somewhere where their primary duty wasn't birthing more sword arms. Well, our Cadash was born on the surface, so it would make sense for them to be at least Andrastians. I don't know how I could make sense of a surface dwarf that follows the stone, especially if he wasn't born into that culture. I don't think that would make him less of a dwarf. It was much easier for my Brosca to still believe in the stone, even if everyone around told him he wasn't worth of it. My Cadash was basically like Varric with his beliefs.
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Post by tishina on Aug 28, 2016 20:27:06 GMT
I might have to try that mod. The way I play dwarves, Cullen always seemed like a natural fit. I'm curious: does anyone else play not-very dwarfish dwarves? Moreso even than my humans, the Broscas and Cadashes tend to be devout Andrastians and hate the Stone b/c of their untouchable status. Aeducans much less so, but since I prefer playing women, they were glad to be somewhere where their primary duty wasn't birthing more sword arms. Well, our Cadash was born on the surface, so it would make sense for them to be at least Andrastians. I don't know how I could make sense of a surface dwarf that follows the stone, especially if he wasn't born into that culture. I don't think that would make him less of a dwarf. It was much easier for my Brosca to still believe in the stone, even if everyone around told him he wasn't worth of it. My Cadash was basically like Varric with his beliefs. I admit, I tended to play Andrastrian Cadashes myself for several reasons. But the Cadash origin is open enough to have believable reasons to still believe in the Ancestors and the Stone. You could have been born in Orzammar and exiled to the surface and adopted the Cadash name later, or one of your parents might have been an exile. That's recent, and honestly, people tend to cling to a family religion for tradition's sake if nothing else. And I can see some dwarves clinging to the Stone just because they don't want to accept the marginal place they have in the Chantry or just because they find humans insufferable
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Post by Sifr on Aug 28, 2016 21:10:34 GMT
I tend to play Aeducan as following the Stone, but accepting blessings from the Maker by members of the Chantry. Politeness costs nothing and shows you respect their beliefs and traditions, the same courtesy that Dwarves often expect from outsiders who visit Orzammar.
With Brosca, I see them as following the Stone, but understanding the appeal of the Maker, even if they're a bit dubious about the Chantry. Having grown up in Dust Town and seeing that no act of charity comes without a catch, I see Brosca as subconsciously waiting for the other shoe to drop and find out what the con or Chantry's angle is?
I roleplay Cadash as polytheistic, seeing no contradiction in how someone can venerate the Stone and worship the Maker. They tend to keep their Andrastian beliefs hidden however, as they grew up in a more traditional kalnas branch of the family (hence why they wear the brand).
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Post by cespar on Aug 28, 2016 21:24:01 GMT
Well, our Cadash was born on the surface, so it would make sense for them to be at least Andrastians. I don't know how I could make sense of a surface dwarf that follows the stone, especially if he wasn't born into that culture. I don't think that would make him less of a dwarf. It was much easier for my Brosca to still believe in the stone, even if everyone around told him he wasn't worth of it. My Cadash was basically like Varric with his beliefs. I admit, I tended to play Andrastrian Cadashes myself for several reasons. But the Cadash origin is open enough to have believable reasons to still believe in the Ancestors and the Stone. You could have been born in Orzammar and exiled to the surface and adopted the Cadash name later, or one of your parents might have been an exile. That's recent, and honestly, people tend to cling to a family religion for tradition's sake if nothing else. And I can see some dwarves clinging to the Stone just because they don't want to accept the marginal place they have in the Chantry or just because they find humans insufferable Yeah, on one of my play through, I told Josephine that I believe in the stone. Jump some time ahead to Descent, Cadash will still say the line about not been close to the stone and all of that. I love the Cadash name and history, so I prefer that I was at least born into that family with the name . I'm sad that Shale wasn't able to meet Inquisitor Cadash. But, yeah I see your point. All these humans are crazy with their chantry.
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Post by wickedcool on Aug 29, 2016 21:54:30 GMT
Are colored tatoos for dwarves lore breaking?
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Post by tishina on Aug 29, 2016 21:58:32 GMT
Are colored tatoos for dwarves lore breaking? Nothing against them as far as I know. I think most of us have used color in our tattoos, going back into DAO...
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Post by Iddy on Aug 29, 2016 22:06:09 GMT
Are colored tatoos for dwarves lore breaking? Maybe the nobles do, but I've never seen a casteless dwarf with a colored brand. And what would be the point? The guy whose job is to tattoo casteless children thought "Well, just because it's a symbol of how worthless you are that doesn't mean it shouldn't be pretty"?
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Post by tishina on Aug 30, 2016 1:28:00 GMT
Are colored tatoos for dwarves lore breaking? Maybe the nobles do, but I've never seen a casteless dwarf with a colored brand. And what would be the point? The guy whose job is to tattoo casteless children thought "Well, just because it's a symbol of how worthless you are that doesn't mean it shouldn't be pretty"? The casteless mark is a brand, not a tattoo. There's a difference, one which doesn't matter to a Cadash unless you headcannon her or him as being born in Dusttown. The surface merchant in the commons during the Brosca origin has a temporary mark he drew on because the surface casteless aren't branded. But an Orzammar-born casteless dwarf could still have it tattooed over later in color as a way of thumbing their noses at the Shaperate, especially the Carta. The actual facial tattoos seem to be something unrelated, and a lot of us speculate that they have more to do with indicating you belong to a group of some kind. They didn't actually show any non-Dalish NPCs in DAO with colored tattoos, but we also didn't see many other facial markings except the casteless brands and Legion of the Dead tattoos, which are presumably uniformly black because they're dead. I suspect they just did the minimum in DAO (I can't recall any humans or non-dalish elves with facial tattoos in DAO except Crows, and Rylen's fairly distinctive even in DAI for having facial tattoos.) But there's definitely nothing in lore yet excluding colored facial tattoos for dwarves.
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Post by tishina on Aug 31, 2016 21:26:32 GMT
I admit, I tended to play Andrastrian Cadashes myself for several reasons. But the Cadash origin is open enough to have believable reasons to still believe in the Ancestors and the Stone. You could have been born in Orzammar and exiled to the surface and adopted the Cadash name later, or one of your parents might have been an exile. That's recent, and honestly, people tend to cling to a family religion for tradition's sake if nothing else. And I can see some dwarves clinging to the Stone just because they don't want to accept the marginal place they have in the Chantry or just because they find humans insufferable Yeah, on one of my play through, I told Josephine that I believe in the stone. Jump some time ahead to Descent, Cadash will still say the line about not been close to the stone and all of that. I love the Cadash name and history, so I prefer that I was at least born into that family with the name . I'm sad that Shale wasn't able to meet Inquisitor Cadash. But, yeah I see your point. All these humans are crazy with their chantry. Yeah, I'm still really disappointed that we didn't even hear anything about Shale...
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 1, 2016 12:28:20 GMT
Are colored tatoos for dwarves lore breaking? If its the brand tattoo, you could even headcanon it to be your dwarf having the Brand reinked in color and kinda "claiming" it on their own terms in doing so. Maybe the nobles do, but I've never seen a casteless dwarf with a colored brand. And what would be the point? The guy whose job is to tattoo casteless children thought "Well, just because it's a symbol of how worthless you are that doesn't mean it shouldn't be pretty"? The casteless mark is a brand, not a tattoo. There's a difference, one which doesn't matter to a Cadash unless you headcannon her or him as being born in Dusttown. The surface merchant in the commons during the Brosca origin has a temporary mark he drew on because the surface casteless aren't branded. But an Orzammar-born casteless dwarf could still have it tattooed over later in color as a way of thumbing their noses at the Shaperate, especially the Carta. The actual facial tattoos seem to be something unrelated, and a lot of us speculate that they have more to do with indicating you belong to a group of some kind. They didn't actually show any non-Dalish NPCs in DAO with colored tattoos, but we also didn't see many other facial markings except the casteless brands and Legion of the Dead tattoos, which are presumably uniformly black because they're dead. I suspect they just did the minimum in DAO (I can't recall any humans or non-dalish elves with facial tattoos in DAO except Crows, and Rylen's fairly distinctive even in DAI for having facial tattoos.) But there's definitely nothing in lore yet excluding colored facial tattoos for dwarves. I think maybe some of the Chasind in Lothering also had them?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 13:13:04 GMT
Kardol has a blue tattoo and Roggar (the dwarf who threatens a shopkeeper) has a red/reddish tattoo (no s brand though). So a dwarf with a colored tattoo is not impossible. But it seems to be very rare. The lower part of the tattoo on the dark skinned dwarven shopkeeper in Denerim is reddish in color, but you can't really see it in game. But if you take his morph and change his skin to white you can see it. So he sort of counts as dwarf with colored tattoo. Jukka's tattoo in Awakening also seems to have a greenish tint, but that could be a trick on my eyes/the area lighting. Can't check in toolset since I don't know the black magic needed to open the Awakening files.
Late, late, late edit. But it must be note down. Grace *shakes fist angrily* has a blue tattoo.
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Post by tishina on Sept 1, 2016 13:51:38 GMT
Are colored tatoos for dwarves lore breaking? If its the brand tattoo, you could even headcanon it to be your dwarf having the Brand reinked in color and kinda "claiming" it on their own terms in doing so. The casteless mark is a brand, not a tattoo. There's a difference, one which doesn't matter to a Cadash unless you headcannon her or him as being born in Dusttown. The surface merchant in the commons during the Brosca origin has a temporary mark he drew on because the surface casteless aren't branded. But an Orzammar-born casteless dwarf could still have it tattooed over later in color as a way of thumbing their noses at the Shaperate, especially the Carta. The actual facial tattoos seem to be something unrelated, and a lot of us speculate that they have more to do with indicating you belong to a group of some kind. They didn't actually show any non-Dalish NPCs in DAO with colored tattoos, but we also didn't see many other facial markings except the casteless brands and Legion of the Dead tattoos, which are presumably uniformly black because they're dead. I suspect they just did the minimum in DAO (I can't recall any humans or non-dalish elves with facial tattoos in DAO except Crows, and Rylen's fairly distinctive even in DAI for having facial tattoos.) But there's definitely nothing in lore yet excluding colored facial tattoos for dwarves. I think maybe some of the Chasind in Lothering also had them? Did they? Maybe I missed it or just didn't pay attention, but that would be another example of belonging to a "group" I think. Now I need to go look
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Post by cespar on Sept 1, 2016 20:11:27 GMT
Yeah, on one of my play through, I told Josephine that I believe in the stone. Jump some time ahead to Descent, Cadash will still say the line about not been close to the stone and all of that. I love the Cadash name and history, so I prefer that I was at least born into that family with the name . I'm sad that Shale wasn't able to meet Inquisitor Cadash. But, yeah I see your point. All these humans are crazy with their chantry. Yeah, I'm still really disappointed that we didn't even hear anything about Shale... Maybe if we import an Inquisitor Cadash to DA4, and Shale is still in Tevinter, we may hear something. At least I'm crossing my fingers for that.
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Post by Merela on Sept 1, 2016 20:29:32 GMT
Yeah, I'm still really disappointed that we didn't even hear anything about Shale... Maybe if we import an Inquisitor Cadash to DA4, and Shale is still in Tevinter, we may hear something. At least I'm crossing my fingers for that. I definitely hope we'll meet a small lady dwarf with a burning hatred of birds.
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Post by tishina on Sept 1, 2016 23:48:50 GMT
Maybe if we import an Inquisitor Cadash to DA4, and Shale is still in Tevinter, we may hear something. At least I'm crossing my fingers for that. I definitely hope we'll meet a small lady dwarf with a burning hatred of birds. And Shale's voice!
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Post by cespar on Sept 2, 2016 2:35:38 GMT
I definitely hope we'll meet a small lady dwarf with a burning hatred of birds. And Shale's voice! Well... might not have Shale's voice, if she is a dwarf again.
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Post by tishina on Sept 2, 2016 2:44:05 GMT
Well... might not have Shale's voice, if she is a dwarf again. I can hope (there's really no reason she shouldn't keep her voice!) It probably depends on whether or not they can get the VA back.
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Post by Sifr on Sept 5, 2016 8:03:44 GMT
Perhaps the Brand in the modern era is merely tattooed on. This would explain why they more closely resemble tattoos and have been seen with colour (and why the option is given in the CC), with the term "brand" being retained from a point in history when from dwarven criminals were marked with branding irons?
Sort of like how how "tablets", "books" and "pads" are still names given to book-sized computers, or how in the UK we still use the term "torches" for a handheld portable light, despite it using electricity and not fire.
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