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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 18, 2018 17:19:04 GMT
What do you mean by the part with Leliana? In all my playthroughs she doesn't need to do those things to get her reforms in. You only get a softened Leliana if you interfere early on at Haven in the episode with the rogue agent. It makes it very difficult to role play your character properly and I would suggest that most people only get softened Leliana through meta-gaming. I didn't even realise it was possible to get her any different until I read it on the boards. When that incident occurs you have not been in the Inquisition long and whilst you are being seen as the Herald by some people, something you can strenuously deny, I doubt Leliana is convinced of this title. At this time you are not the leader of the organisation. So my natural reaction was to watch how Leliana went about her business. It wasn't my place to interfere one way or the other and besides, why would she listen to me if I did? However, just observing is treated the same as encouraging her to kill the agent and so no matter what you do in the future, her course is set on being hardened. What makes it even more frustrating is that on her personal quest, when you are now the leader of the Inquisition, you can order her not to kill the sister but she simply ignores you and does so. So really, given the very specific way you have to act in order to get a softened Leliana, it seems far more likely you are going to get a hardened Divine and that is her default character.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 18, 2018 17:32:56 GMT
All HAIL MURDERPOPE! Ahem...sorry.
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Post by thats1evildude on Sept 18, 2018 17:36:44 GMT
What do you mean by the part with Leliana? In all my playthroughs she doesn't need to do those things to get her reforms in. You only get a softened Leliana if you interfere early on at Haven in the episode with the rogue agent. It makes it very difficult to role play your character properly and I would suggest that most people only get softened Leliana through meta-gaming. I actually got it right the first time. But I had romanced Leliana in DAO and realized this might be a moment to sway her to a gentler path.
I know a test of character when I see one.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 18, 2018 18:21:28 GMT
I know a test of character when I see one That's what I meant about meta-gaming as opposed to role playing. You as a player suspect this is a test by the writers, but I wanted to stay true to my character who wouldn't be thinking "hey this is a test of my character that could impact somewhere far down the line".
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Post by thats1evildude on Sept 18, 2018 18:39:51 GMT
I know a test of character when I see one That's what I meant about meta-gaming as opposed to role playing. You as a player suspect this is a test by the writers, but I wanted to stay true to my character who wouldn't be thinking "hey this is a test of my character that could impact somewhere far down the line". It was also true to my character, who was a merciful, upstanding fellow.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 18, 2018 18:42:56 GMT
Yeah, my first time wasn’t metagaming since I didn’t know that was important but my character was against killing people so told her she shouldn’t.
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Post by Walter Black on Sept 18, 2018 22:16:37 GMT
If Dragon Age 4 has a similar party makeup to Inquisition (9 Companions, 3 of each class), that will likely leave one slot* for a human mage. If said mage is also from Tevinter, right now the most likely candidates are a returning Dorian, Maevaris or Calpernia. At this point, I honestly think Maevaris has the best chance of being of being the Tevinter Mage Companion. Magister Tilani is similar enough to Dorian to echo the same sentiments for a returning Companion, but different enough to tackle storylines Dorian didn't; i.e., the irony of being a marginalized person born to privilege, the dream of redeeming Tevinter versus the reality of whether or not it can, how dirty she is willing to let her hands get to achieve said ends, and many others. If Mae wants to save the Imperium but is open to questionable methods, that makes Calpernia's Companion status possibly redundant.
Plus there's various comments by the writers, Patrick Weekes in particular, about being interested in writing a trans character that was voiced by an actual trans actor or actress. Whether you consider this truly progressive inclusion or SJW tokenism and virtue signalling is up to the individual, but it does mark a point more in Mae's favor.
*With the possibilities of Ancient Elves, a tal-vashoth saarebas or Titan touched Dwarf like Valta, I doubt we will have more than one human mage Companion. Even if we did, that still leaves Rvanni Seers, Mortalitasi, or Avvar Shaman to explore...
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Post by Walter Black on Sept 18, 2018 22:36:42 GMT
My own personal personal feelings on Calpernia have been kind of mixed; on paper, she seemed to have an interesting backstory and motivations, with a dark and complex personality. But whether in To Pay the Ferryman, Magekiller or Inquisition itself, for whatever reason she just came off as meh. Maybe I just found her model and voice actress unremarkable, and that colored my perception of the character from then on . A shame really, for in many ways Calpernia is like a reincarnated Yuthura Ban; an anti-heorine caster and former slave who wanted to free other slaves, but whose obsession with revenge led her to join similar oppressors. I have a theory that the KOTOR writing team toyed with making Yuthura a Companion given her amount of content, that she could be redeemed, and that they almost made her home planet of Seheron. Ultimately, they likely scrapped the idea since she was too similar to Juhani. It would have been interesting to a have a Sith party member, especially prior to the Revan reveal.
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Post by arvaarad on Sept 18, 2018 23:50:04 GMT
In Calpernia’s defense, when power structures are very uneven, there aren’t always any good options.
1. Keep to yourself, without causing any harm. Well and good, but if everyone does that, slavery never goes away. 2. Ally only with totally unproblematic folks. Well and good, but the power structures are massively stacked against them too, so slavery never goes away. 3. Ally with someone who has power (this was Calpernia’s choice). Well and good, but given the current framework by which power is gathered, they’re likely to have a whole heap of baggage. 4. Become martyrs to win support from people with power. Well and good, but you’re not a person to them, that’s the whole problem. So the effect of martyrdom is sort of limited. Calpernia might have had a slight advantage here, as a mage, but soporati are also second-class, so she’d still be easy enough to ignore. Even someone as nice as Dorian is... pretty ok with the existence of slavery (his main motivation for reforming Tevinter seems more concerned with the problems that affect his class), so gaining any sort of sympathy is harder than we like to believe.
Because of Calpernia’s place as leader of the Venatori, she was able to free many slaves. This is not nothing; their lives would be worse, had she not chosen a route that offered her access to power. She would have been a footnote, and they would have still been slaves, along with all their children, for who knows how many ages into the future.
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Post by melbella on Sept 19, 2018 0:19:24 GMT
Why do people care about Calpernia at all? We talk to her... once? I don't recall her being particularly interesting and see no reason why I would want her in my party.
I don't get it either. My reaction to both her and Harding is 'meh.' I can take or leave them both. Don't really care either way.
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Post by Debaser on Sept 19, 2018 1:02:08 GMT
I cannot adequately express how much I do not want Calpernia to be one of our companions or love interests. I vehemently do not want one of those slots being wasted on this monster. I don't want her showing up at all unless we can actually punish her for the thousands of people she helped murder, enslave, or give a fate worse than death. She already has a love interest IIRC from the short stories, and I doubt she will be a companion. She will probably be a faction leader where the player can kill her off or empower her. Honestly, if it is her or the Qun I'm picking her. She is small time evil compared to The Qun and Solas.
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Post by phoray on Sept 19, 2018 5:25:55 GMT
He was planning on ditching his wife to marry Celene. Why was it assumed that Anora was the reason there was no heir? I don't think anyone disputed that Anora was the one who undertook the more tedious aspects of the monarchy on his behalf, allowing him to play the hero king, so where was his gratitude and loyalty towards her? Plus, I cannot think he was so naïve as to think that marrying Celene would not simply legitimise Orlais annexing Ferelden but if he did not realise this then his desire for glory was probably behind the decision more than any real desire to do what was best for his country, however misguided. 0--- I don't judge people for wanting a divorce. They got married because Marric and Loghain didn't disapprove and Anora had him wrapped round her finger. Once they became a couple, he got to know the real her. And honestly, I dislike this power hungry woman deeply so if he felt the same way after a couple of years, I don't begrudge him attempting to rid himself of her. Was Celene a serious choice? was he just flirting with it? Thing of it is, we both know the true politics of Ferelden. It's not a true monarchy. He'd have been kicked as king of Fereldan just for bringing it up, let alone actually declaring he was going to do it in spite of the Banorn/leadership. She certainly seems that way in game, although if you read the books you discover she has her moments. Rhys' father was certainly under the impression that Wynne put her status in the Circle above the welfare of her child or their relationship. (He was a Templar prepared to give up everything and go on the run with them for their sake) 0-- she THINKS about doing a bad thing when she JUST got finished witnessing a mass murder. I'm sure most normal people would CONSIDER revenge in such a situation. She didn't do it, she was thoroughly talked out of it to the point of also agreeing with not doing it. so it doesn't count. Wynne owns her body and she owns her life. The shame people project onto pregnant women who don't want to be mothers is abhorrent to me. She didn't perform blood magic to kill the fetus, she didn't give birth secretly and throw it out a tower window. She made a decision about her life and and her body, approached the right and legitimate people about it, and made sure in a very responsible fashion that someone else would feed, clothe, and raise the child. I applaud her for making a decision about what mattered to her. That the Templar involved didn't step up, declare his actions, leave the order and go raise the child he made such a friggen morality stink about implies that he's the one with issues, not her. He is willing to invade Kirkwall though, even though the person he had a grudge against would already have fled. Is it out of character? May be that is a side of him that was being supressed by his devotion to the Chantry but was there none the less. Remember he had a whole different life before his family gifted him to the Chantry because he was proving to be an embarrassment to them by his actions. Was that merely just living the high life or something more? 0-- WE can cast all sorts of questions on his prior life, but other than the fact that he banged lots of women in a hedonistic and possibly drunken fashion, nothing else has been confirmed. So it's not very useful in a debate about his character. I think it's retarded and lacks common sense- maybe he'd make such a declaration immediately, but then he cools off and realizes lots of things about it. like the fact that Anders isn't in Kirkwall and hasn't been for a long while. Sebastian may be a lot of things, but nothing about this act makes sense. I think it was sloppy writing and I'm ignoring it. What he was in DA2 was a person who had strong feelings for a lot of things, and a lot of back and forthing as he tried to figure out what really mattered to him. But he was not a wanton murderer or particularly inclined to enjoying other people's discomfort, which is what we are Off-topic discussing.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 19, 2018 8:24:56 GMT
That the Templar involved didn't step up, declare his actions, leave the order and go raise the child he made such a friggen morality stink about implies that he's the one with issues, not her.
To be fair to the Templar, by the time he knew about the child it was too late. The child had been born and sent away to be raised by the Chantry elsewhere. That was his chief gripe, that he never had that option. For whatever reason, possibly his superiors thought he was getting too close to a mage, he had been sent away from the tower for the period of her pregnancy. It may even be because the First Enchanter had been informed that Wynne was pregnant and her friend, Irving (not then First Enchanter), revealed to him that the likely father was a Templar. However, the Templar realised that it would have been possible for Wynne to have told him before she revealed it to anyone else and he would have been entirely prepared to leave the Order for the sake of her and his child. When he came back and found out after the event, what would be the point?
I also didn't like the way she talked about his father to Rhys, as though their relationship had been physical and nothing more, when it is clear from WoT2 that it involved genuine affection, and apparently never even told Rhys his father's name. Rhys' father did genuinely care and I feel she should have given him a bit more credit with Rhys.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 19, 2018 8:38:02 GMT
They got married because Marric and Loghain didn't disapprove and Anora had him wrapped round her finger. Once they became a couple, he got to know the real her. Once again, their relationship is presented differently in WoT2 from how you might imagine it in game. However, even in DAO she makes it clear that she did genuinely care about Cailan and it suited him to let her run things on his behalf. The suggestion in Return to Ostagar is that he is being encouraged to "put her aside" purely because she had failed to provide an heir. Whatever you may dislike about Anora, Celene would have been far worse. This particular plot was not expanded upon as much as it should have been but I think it was implied it was being genuinely being considered by Cailan. The correspondence from Celene makes it clear the discussions were put on hold because of the Blight. Had there been no Blight and Cailan had gone through with it, likely it would have led to civil war. (I have to admit though that I have personal reasons for sympathising with Anora for being ditched after many years of marriage by a husband acting in secret behind her back)
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Sept 19, 2018 13:44:23 GMT
If Dragon Age 4 has a similar party makeup to Inquisition (9 Companions, 3 of each class), that will likely leave one slot* for a human mage. If said mage is also from Tevinter, right now the most likely candidates are a returning Dorian, Maevaris or Calpernia. And then there is DAO which has two female human mages. Maevaris is the Wynne character while Calpernia more is the Morrigan type.
I agree that Maevaris is a likely companion but i see a big difference between her and Calpernia.
Mae like Dorian is moderate Reformer who fights the Corruption but didn´t want to whole System to the Ground. Mae and Dorian are fine with current Slavery in Tevinter. Calpernia is the radical reformer who wants to free all the Slaves.
I would have said the same thing if someone had told me or suggested that Isabela and particularly Merrill are DA 2 Companions. Merrill was in DAO a bland and forgettable character but Bioware really flesh her out in DA 2. Therefore i see no reason why Bioware can´t do the same thing for other minor characters. Calpernia has an interessing background and its appealing (atleast for me) to have a former "Villian" with Hope of Redemption in the Party.
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Post by Radec on Sept 19, 2018 15:38:05 GMT
Meh, not much characterization to build on. She was a generic baddie of the week henchman who was for no logically discernible reason following Darth Evil in his plan to destroy the universe
I wouldn't care either way if she stayed dead or they decided to expand upon/let me kill her again.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Sept 19, 2018 15:51:50 GMT
Meh, not much characterization to build on. She was a generic baddie of the week henchman who was for no logically discernible reason following Darth Evil in his plan to destroy the universe Have you read her Short Story or even done her DAI Quest? Calpernia has a lot more to offer.
She isn´t some Henchman like Erimond. I would argue that Calpernia from all DAI Villians is most fascinating because she isn´t really evil person.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 19, 2018 15:59:06 GMT
She isn´t some Henchman like Erimond. Hold on, earlier you said she was just a puppet of Corypheus thus that means she is a henchman. Now you are saying she isn’t a henchman. Which one is it?
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Post by Radec on Sept 19, 2018 16:10:05 GMT
Meh, not much characterization to build on. She was a generic baddie of the week henchman who was for no logically discernible reason following Darth Evil in his plan to destroy the universe Have you read her Short Story or even done her DAI Quest? Calpernia has a lot more to offer.
She isn´t some Henchman like Erimond. I would argue that Calpernia from all DAI Villians is most fascinating because she isn´t really evil person.
Yeah, they tried to give her a little more depth, but it's all undone by her devoting herself to following an eldritch abomination. Kind of hard to reform Tevinter as a slaveless society when "Tevinter" is just a demon infested hellscape because you helped some evul monster carry out his evul plan I mean, that was her plan before she figured out that Darth Evil planned on killing her too (what a surprise!) right? She's either kinda evil herself, or just really stupid and shortsighted. Probably bit of column A, bit of column B.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Sept 19, 2018 16:28:39 GMT
Hold on, earlier you said she was just a puppet of Corypheus thus that means she is a henchman. Now you are saying she isn’t a henchman. Which one is it? I said that Calpernia isn´t your typical Henchman like Erimond. Calpernia has her own Goals and Agenda. Erimond is just a Lackey who will do anything for Power.
You forget some major Detail. Yes she is Mage but more important she was a Slave.
She would never come in this Position if Corypheus haven´t freed her from Slavery and made her his (Puppet) Leader of the Venatori. Yes she is working for a Monster but she was hoping that Corypheus free all Slaves like herself. Also who said No to their Liberator?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 19, 2018 16:56:15 GMT
Hold on, earlier you said she was just a puppet of Corypheus thus that means she is a henchman. Now you are saying she isn’t a henchman. Which one is it? I said that Calpernia isn´t your typical Henchman like Erimond. Calpernia has her own Goals and Agenda. Erimond is just a Lackey who will do anything for Power.
Also who said No to their Liberator?
You never said typical henchman, you just said some henchman. If she was a puppet, then she is some henchman. Also I really don't see a difference between Calpernia and Erimond. I can easily summarize Calpernia as a lackey who will do anything for power and not be wrong. As for who would say no to their liberator, actually many people would if they saw said liberator as just as bad if not worse than their captors.
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Post by Radec on Sept 19, 2018 17:06:56 GMT
You forget some major Detail. Yes she is Mage but more important she was a Slave. She would never come in this Position if Corypheus haven´t freed her from Slavery and made her his (Puppet) Leader of the Venatori. Yes she is working for a Monster but she was hoping that Corypheus free all Slaves like herself. Also who said No to their Liberator?
I mean yeah, that's nice and all, but Calpernia should've figured out pretty quick that Cory is a bad guy who probably just let her go to use her. Her sticking around helping him destroy the universe and murder everyone in it (inc her beloved slaves) doesn't make sense simply for being freed. Especially given that she supposedly has goals and ambitions of her own for Tevinter, that she directly would undermine by helping the bad guy turn it into a demonic hellscape. Their intent was for her to not be a cackling moustache twirler (e.g. Erimond), but through silly writing she sort of ends up that way, anyway.
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Post by arvaarad on Sept 19, 2018 17:16:00 GMT
As for who would say no to their liberator, actually many people would if they saw said liberator as just as bad if not worse than their captors. What exactly did she see? We went into the Fade and saw the Claw of Dumat. We saw the Venatori slavers in the desert. We saw Corypheus’ plans, including the demon army. If we were former slaves and decided to follow Corypheus, that would indeed be eyebrow-raising. For all we know, that scroll was the first dealbreaker that Calpernia learned about Corypheus. And she immediately acts on it. Every revolution is messy, and the Tevinter elite had their own reasons to hate the Venatori, so there would have been loads of questionable information swirling around. It would have been very easy for her to dismiss rumors as propaganda - after all, she’s seen firsthand how respectable Tevinters frame any action by slaves.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 19, 2018 18:29:38 GMT
As for who would say no to their liberator, actually many people would if they saw said liberator as just as bad if not worse than their captors. What exactly did she see? We went into the Fade and saw the Claw of Dumat. We saw the Venatori slavers in the desert. We saw Corypheus’ plans, including the demon army. If we were former slaves and decided to follow Corypheus, that would indeed be eyebrow-raising. For all we know, that scroll was the first dealbreaker that Calpernia learned about Corypheus. And she immediately acts on it. Every revolution is messy, and the Tevinter elite had their own reasons to hate the Venatori, so there would have been loads of questionable information swirling around. It would have been very easy for her to dismiss rumors as propaganda - after all, she’s seen firsthand how respectable Tevinters frame any action by slaves. Where does it state she doesn't know any of this? There is no evidence for her being unaware, yet evidence that she was. Puppet or no, she is still the leader of the Venatori whom as a group know what Corypheus wants and his methods of achieving them yet support him anyway. Then of course there is the whole her leading the army of slave mages in the attack on Haven. The only thing she seems to be unaware of, and the game makes a point to state this, is the binding ritual Corypheus has planned for her. So again, she only betrays him once she realizes it will personally affect her. Screw everyone else, only her life matters.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 19, 2018 19:14:09 GMT
So again, she only betrays him once she realizes it will personally affect her. Screw everyone else, only her life matters. This is wilfully ignoring the quotation I made for her above. It quite clearly isn't herself the does it for but the realisation that if he would misuse her he would misuse all those other people she thought they were helping. Where does it state she doesn't know any of this? There is no evidence for her being unaware, yet evidence that she was. Well I think it is clear in the Dark Future that Alexius wasn't aware of the extent of what Corypheus intended. His motives were also entirely selfish. Why did he think that this Elder One could help his son when nothing else had been able to? Even if he did, what future was there for Felix in such a world. Did Florianne appreciate everything that Corypheus planned to do? Surely you would have to be very stupid to think unleashing an army of demons on the face of Thedas was going to leave you anything to rule over. Even allowing for the fact that they were being led by a demon masquerading as Lucius, would Templars really have agreed to serving an ancient Tevinter Magister, or unleashing an army of demons? The fact that if you choose one path over the other you only get to confront one of the main lieutenants, does suggest that each was being kept in the dark about what the others were doing. That is the problem with Corypheus' allies. If they knew what he planned in its entirety what could have possessed them to keep following him? Samson can probably be explained by not really caring any more and Erimond was a true fanatic but as for the rest, it makes little sense for them to do so. So really the only explanation is that they were being kept informed on a "need to know" basis. Remember it seemed apparent even from the listening crystal that Calpernia wasn't entirely comfortable, so may be she was hearing things but initially thought they couldn't be true. She must have realised he was hiding something because she wasn't allow access to the Temple of Dumat where her former master was trapped. Either that, or she didn't know about it at all. In which case he was keeping things from her. As for the mage slave army, technically it was indentured servitude, the same as Hawke undertook for the first year in Kirkwall. If they were really unhappy, then they had the option of walking away from the deal, although that would have left them at the mercy of their enemies. It was a quid pro quo situation, which is not the same as slavery where you have no choice. It was ridiculous that they made it seem like Fiona had no freedom of action when we turn up at Redcliff. If she didn't like the deal when Alexius revealed the full extent of it, then she should have told him where to shove it. After all, there were far more mages on her side then his, so who exactly was going to enforce the agreement? This is why I find Fiona of DAI entirely different from the Fiona of Asunder and a very poor leader for the mages. I always resent being stuck with her as their leader if I side with them.
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