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Post by NotN7 on Sept 20, 2018 21:14:22 GMT
Leviathan are meat reapers. The ones run by starbrat and made of liquefied "preserved" aliens inside a robot shell are smoothies. I say this because they're basically the same thing (giant, overpowered cuttlefish with a massive superiority complex). Too bad ME1 got retconned by Leviathan. Reapers are just mindless drones controlled by a poorly written AI. Depends on whether it's a hard or soft reboot. For the former, they'd obviously be around. For the latter, you don't need to address them much. Set it a few (human) generations later. There was a war. We won, they died. Business continues as usual. Don't really need more specifics than that. Oh and we also glassed/flash boiled that stupid ocean planet Leviathan was on because they were huge assholes. They're extinct and can't mind control anyone anymore. See i dont want the reapers to come back. That why i said in the OP the leviathans could be the antagonist not the reapers. Well....to me (and i'm not kicking the ME3 ending horse) but I believe the reapers are gone but the construct that Leviathan built is still functioning since we do not know where it was built, so when the crucible fired it was not touched since I believe it was in dark space at the time and it was not the citadel.
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Post by Basquemercat117 on Sept 20, 2018 21:48:32 GMT
See i dont want the reapers to come back. That why i said in the OP the leviathans could be the antagonist not the reapers. Well....to me (and i'm not kicking the ME3 ending horse) but I believe the reapers are gone but the construct that Leviathan built is still functioning since we do not know where it was built, so when the crucible fired it was not touched since I believe it was in dark space at the time and it was not the citadel. i could see the idea of acquiring reaper tech being a focus point as reaper tech is more powerful than anything in the milky way species. this assuming it happens in the milky way it wouldnt work in Andromeda.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 20, 2018 22:59:39 GMT
Meat Reapers? I assume you mean when it was revealed they were made out of the goo of other races? It's not that off from ME1 where Sovereign says each Reaper is a "nation until our own".
I'd also avoid Reapers from EVER reappearing - which they would in a reboot people talk about.
Leviathan are meat reapers. The ones run by starbrat and made of liquefied "preserved" aliens inside a robot shell are smoothies. I say this because they're basically the same thing (giant, overpowered cuttlefish with a massive superiority complex). Too bad ME1 got retconned by Leviathan. Reapers are just mindless drones controlled by a poorly written AI. Depends on whether it's a hard or soft reboot. For the former, they'd obviously be around. For the latter, you don't need to address them much. Set it a few (human) generations later. There was a war. We won, they died. Business continues as usual. Don't really need more specifics than that. Oh and we also glassed/flash boiled that stupid ocean planet Leviathan was on because they were huge assholes. They're extinct and can't mind control anyone anymore. This whole idea is a huge no from me. Like it or not it means bringing the reapers back and no thank you. I have the trilogy to play for that.
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Post by Basquemercat117 on Sept 20, 2018 23:55:07 GMT
Leviathan are meat reapers. The ones run by starbrat and made of liquefied "preserved" aliens inside a robot shell are smoothies. I say this because they're basically the same thing (giant, overpowered cuttlefish with a massive superiority complex). Too bad ME1 got retconned by Leviathan. Reapers are just mindless drones controlled by a poorly written AI. Depends on whether it's a hard or soft reboot. For the former, they'd obviously be around. For the latter, you don't need to address them much. Set it a few (human) generations later. There was a war. We won, they died. Business continues as usual. Don't really need more specifics than that. Oh and we also glassed/flash boiled that stupid ocean planet Leviathan was on because they were huge assholes. They're extinct and can't mind control anyone anymore. This whole idea is a huge no from me. Like it or not it means bringing the reapers back and no thank you. I have the trilogy to play for that. Griffith82 it would also start bring in issues of cannon that star wars got hit with which lets be honest no one wants that mess in Mass effect. also the reason why i choose the leviathans is because they arent the reapers. they operate differently and act differently. And as i think personally that they should continue mass effect in andromeda for the fact it would be easier to write and avoid the mess ME3 caused, really using the leviathans as a plot device somehow is one of the few ways that we can connect the two galaxies together without doing alot of explaining and reconing. are their other options sure there but using the leviathans is in my view one of the most versatile options.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 21, 2018 0:21:04 GMT
This whole idea is a huge no from me. Like it or not it means bringing the reapers back and no thank you. I have the trilogy to play for that. Griffith82 it would also start bring in issues of cannon that star wars got hit with which lets be honest no one wants that mess in Mass effect. also the reason why i choose the leviathans is because they are they reapers. they operate differently and act differently. And as i think personally that they should continue mass effect in andromeda for the fact it would be easier to write and avoid the mess ME3 caused, really using the leviathans as a plot device somehow is one of the few ways that we can connect the two galaxies together without doing alot of explaining and reconing. are their other options sure there but using the leviathans is in my view one of the most versatile options. Not till they finish the Kett but it could work.
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Post by Basquemercat117 on Sept 21, 2018 1:07:53 GMT
Griffith82 it would also start bring in issues of cannon that star wars got hit with which lets be honest no one wants that mess in Mass effect. also the reason why i choose the leviathans is because they are they reapers. they operate differently and act differently. And as i think personally that they should continue mass effect in andromeda for the fact it would be easier to write and avoid the mess ME3 caused, really using the leviathans as a plot device somehow is one of the few ways that we can connect the two galaxies together without doing alot of explaining and reconing. are their other options sure there but using the leviathans is in my view one of the most versatile options. Not till they finish the Kett but it could work. Why do they need to finish off the Kett? im actually really curious on why
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 21, 2018 12:01:50 GMT
Not till they finish the Kett but it could work. Why do they need to finish off the Kett? im actually really curious on why Because that story still isn't finished. There was a clear Kett threat looming at the end.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 17:41:27 GMT
If we get a MW sequel, one that I would really welcome. I would also have the Leviathans as the main enemy. However a couple of conditions must apply for this to be successful IMO
1)All relevant info Shepard got was lost after the war and we get to find them and face them again with a new protagonist who abolutely know nothing about them.
2)Leviathans operates in a different level than the Reapers, they are not enough nor have the same strenght of the Reapers to conquer the galaxy, therfore their threat must operate through deceit, shadow agents and manipulation instead of direct force. In theory the galaxy should have no problem once the Leviathans are perceived as threat to annihilate them however they operate in such a way that nobody get to notice them.
3)Their indoctrination should be more subtle and evolved than those of the Reapers, people being indoctrinated by them should retain most of their capabilities and do not become husks or slaves, instead manipulated agents who do the Leviathan agenda without knowing thinking they operate on their own free will. Like TIM used to think.
4) The galaxy is broken into factions and decayed into a more primitive age, chaos and piracy are a serious threat and the protagonist must help shape the new MW order and oppose the Leviathans meddling that are trying to shape the post-war galaxy their own way.
5) Consequence of 2),3),4) means that a greater emphasis should be put on politics, intrigue and investigations and less on open warfare. I could imagine the protagonist being some sort of secret agent trying to find links of the Leviathan conspiracy inside the MW galaxy.
Just some ideas
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Post by Basquemercat117 on Sept 24, 2018 16:39:46 GMT
If we get a MW sequel, one that I would really welcome. I would also have the Leviathans as the main enemy. However a couple of conditions must apply for this to be successful IMO 1)All relevant info Shepard got was lost after the war and we get to find them and face them again with a new protagonist who abolutely know nothing about them. 2)Leviathans operates in a different level than the Reapers, they are not enough nor have the same strenght of the Reapers to conquer the galaxy, therfore their threat must operate through deceit, shadow agents and manipulation instead of direct force. In theory the galaxy should have no problem once the Leviathans are perceived as threat to annihilate them however they operate in such a way that nobody get to notice them. 3)Their indoctrination should be more subtle and evolved than those of the Reapers, people being indoctrinated by them should retain most of their capabilities and do not become husks or slaves, instead manipulated agents who do the Leviathan agenda without knowing thinking they operate on their own free will. Like TIM used to think. 4) The galaxy is broken into factions and decayed into a more primitive age, chaos and piracy are a serious threat and the protagonist must help shape the new MW order and oppose the Leviathans meddling that are trying to shape the post-war galaxy their own way. 5) Consequence of 2),3),4) means that a greater emphasis should be put on politics, intrigue and investigations and less on open warfare. I could imagine the protagonist being some sort of secret agent trying to find links of the Leviathan conspiracy inside the MW galaxy. Just some ideas Thats how i would feel if they were going to do the next game in the MW. but all your points could work just as well in andromeda as well
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Post by SwobyJ on Oct 14, 2018 4:06:47 GMT
I'm not bothered if anything Reaper or Leviathan returns, I just don't want a (multi game!) main arc about either, while balanced with giving both the weight they'd otherwise deserve. A difficult task that I can respect wasn't even slightly attempted in MEA.
But really I'm really up for them being things that existed/exist/will exist. Just do it smart, unlike, uh, say, Collectors in ME3(?; MP? Arena? IDK? Black Ark? IDK?????).
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Post by Basquemercat117 on Oct 15, 2018 20:37:54 GMT
I'm not bothered if anything Reaper or Leviathan returns, I just don't want a (multi game!) main arc about either, while balanced with giving both the weight they'd otherwise deserve. A difficult task that I can respect wasn't even slightly attempted in MEA. But really I'm really up for them being things that existed/exist/will exist. Just do it smart, unlike, uh, say, Collectors in ME3(?; MP? Arena? IDK? Black Ark? IDK?????). So would you like a different villain each game like in DA? i think that could work, and i think the leviathans could make a good single use villain for a game. make it about getting final payback against the creators of the reapers or some other reason.
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Post by SwobyJ on Oct 16, 2018 14:19:31 GMT
I'm not bothered if anything Reaper or Leviathan returns, I just don't want a (multi game!) main arc about either, while balanced with giving both the weight they'd otherwise deserve. A difficult task that I can respect wasn't even slightly attempted in MEA. But really I'm really up for them being things that existed/exist/will exist. Just do it smart, unlike, uh, say, Collectors in ME3(?; MP? Arena? IDK? Black Ark? IDK?????). So would you like a different villain each game like in DA? i think that could work, and i think the leviathans could make a good single use villain for a game. make it about getting final payback against the creators of the reapers or some other reason. Sorry, I also meant I didn't really want a single game arc about them either. I guess I'd accept it over multi game. Perhaps Leviathan as the face villains before something very non-Reaper/Leviathan comes up as the larger danger, or something.
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Post by griffith82 on Oct 16, 2018 23:21:06 GMT
So would you like a different villain each game like in DA? i think that could work, and i think the leviathans could make a good single use villain for a game. make it about getting final payback against the creators of the reapers or some other reason. Sorry, I also meant I didn't really want a single game arc about them either. I guess I'd accept it over multi game. Perhaps Leviathan as the face villains before something very non-Reaper/Leviathan comes up as the larger danger, or something. I don't want a game about Reapers again.
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Post by SwobyJ on Oct 17, 2018 4:43:46 GMT
Sorry, I also meant I didn't really want a single game arc about them either. I guess I'd accept it over multi game. Perhaps Leviathan as the face villains before something very non-Reaper/Leviathan comes up as the larger danger, or something. I don't want a game about Reapers again. I don't either. I do think that the Leviathans theoretically could offer something more than 'Reapers'. They had a long history and we only know the gist of their near extinction.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Oct 18, 2018 8:00:28 GMT
Here's the thing though:
Reapers were awesome Leviathans were lame.
Forget them.
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Post by griffith82 on Oct 18, 2018 9:55:02 GMT
I don't want a game about Reapers again. I don't either. I do think that the Leviathans theoretically could offer something more than 'Reapers'. They had a long history and we only know the gist of their near extinction. True. There could be potential there. I'd still rather Andromeda get finished though.
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Post by SwobyJ on Oct 22, 2018 0:54:18 GMT
I don't either. I do think that the Leviathans theoretically could offer something more than 'Reapers'. They had a long history and we only know the gist of their near extinction. True. There could be potential there. I'd still rather Andromeda get finished though. I don't mind the stories of Milky Way and Andromeda have connections as long as Bioware doesn't treat them as one and the same (oh who am I kidding, they probably would).
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Post by Basquemercat117 on Oct 22, 2018 20:39:09 GMT
True. There could be potential there. I'd still rather Andromeda get finished though. I don't mind the stories of Milky Way and Andromeda have connections as long as Bioware doesn't treat them as one and the same (oh who am I kidding, they probably would). i have faith in bioware to make them differently than the reapers if they are given enough time to write a decent story
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Post by SwobyJ on Oct 23, 2018 14:59:40 GMT
I don't mind the stories of Milky Way and Andromeda have connections as long as Bioware doesn't treat them as one and the same (oh who am I kidding, they probably would). i have faith in bioware to make them differently than the reapers if they are given enough time to write a decent story Sure. I just mean that as a development project, you need to really focus on their differences or else they're going to merge to some extent, in design. Ferelden in DAI is kinda DAO Ferelden, but kinda an extension of Orlais. It doesn't have the same feeling as in DAO, even as we even go to Redcliffe. Bioware made these regions different locations for sure, but not to the extent I think they could have if they tried harder. Instead I think they had a 'Southern Thedas' emphasis above all, and that rolled regions like Ferelden and Orlais together. I don't think Mass Effect needs to or should do that, at least for now. There's no grander map to understand ('southern Thedas'), so I'd be much more intrigued if Bioware consciously decided to make Milky Way and Andromeda, within the same game, be as different as possible while still respecting development requirements and the Mass Effect umbrella both locations fall under (I don't want them totally alien to each other). I want to compare the two and consider them different but related political, etc entities, not as much MEA's Initiative being like an arm stretched out from the Milky Way. As/if enough time passes, I want Milky Way to seem even somewhat alien to us players, and Ai MW-originating characters, while always still having original differentiating characteristics (compared to Andromeda. I guess what I mean is that MEA rolled together a 'nu-MW'+'intro to Androm' and I'd want a mix MW/Androm game to more often focus on how they're not rolled together, how they're galaxies apart, but they have a bridge that might make it work.
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