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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Sept 28, 2018 19:20:21 GMT
I agree. There's a good reason shit like the Tom Bombadil/Barrow Downs section was deleted. The reason Tolkien is cool is because Middle Earth is really well fleshed out, not because either LotR or The Hobbit were flawless narratives with great characters. Nobody is claiming flawless. If you think the unnecessary changes Jackson made were beneficial to the overall story, I disagree. If you think he made excellent casting decisions, I disagree. If you think he took too many liberties for the sake of his "continuity", I wholeheartedly agree. Arwen Evenstar, as beautiful as Liv Tyler is, was poorly cast, and performed too many roles. Galadriel ought to have been a knock-out. I could go on, but honestly I watched the movies once, never again, and hell no I didn't watch the abomination that was "The Hobbit" movies. You know, the Hobbit movies are the better movies. I recently watched all 6 films with my kid, in order (Hobbit first), and they're just way more entertaining. It helped, I think, that she'd read the Hobbit (she reread it immediately upon finishing it the first time), but didn't know the LotR story at all. That was also the first time I watched the extended version of all 3 LOTR movies, and it's astounding how much better RotK is with all the extra footage added. I thought the theatrical release of RotK was genuinely bad, but the long version is the best in the trilogy.
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Post by Kabraxal on Sept 28, 2018 20:04:45 GMT
Quite. LotR was great worldbuilding, but trite writing. It is vastly overrated as books because Tolkein created such a vast world and mythology. Objectively, it is iver written, leans heavy on exposition, and entire sections are meaningless padding. As a trilogy of books, LotR is rather mediocre in reality. Interesting. Definitely over-written. Definitely leans heavily on an unreliable omniscient 3rd person narrator. Entire sections are meaningless padding? I beg to differ. How do you build this incredible world, without some digression and extra character development? It makes the world enormous, varied, and more real. Your conclusions are not unique, and have been shared by some critics. Others have found the same charm that I did. The billions of fans around the world have a "vastly" different opinion than yours, so much so that in most circles yours is laughable. What I glean from your post, is that you read the books critically rather than for pleasure, and perhaps just found the material too dense to follow, or too much work. That's ok, go read a Choose your own Adventure. Get off your fucking high horse with that “too sophisticated for you” bullshit. I love the world of Middle Earth. I enjoy readjng the hobbit. LotR is just not well written. Stop degrading yourself with fanboy crap like above.
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Post by docsteely on Oct 3, 2018 13:27:45 GMT
As good as the LoTR movies are, they have some major faults, imo. Like Denethor, who is a majestic figure in the books and your garden-variety power-hungry bumbling fool in the movies...
As for the best movie, there are so many great ones (Casablanca, Citizen Kane, Kagemusha, Stalker, Amadeus and so on) that I am going to contradict the OP: there is no such thing as "objective best" movie. You can only say which one is the best in your opinion. For me it is "All That Jazz".
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Oct 3, 2018 13:39:33 GMT
Interesting. Definitely over-written. Definitely leans heavily on an unreliable omniscient 3rd person narrator. Entire sections are meaningless padding? I beg to differ. How do you build this incredible world, without some digression and extra character development? It makes the world enormous, varied, and more real. Your conclusions are not unique, and have been shared by some critics. Others have found the same charm that I did. The billions of fans around the world have a "vastly" different opinion than yours, so much so that in most circles yours is laughable. What I glean from your post, is that you read the books critically rather than for pleasure, and perhaps just found the material too dense to follow, or too much work. That's ok, go read a Choose your own Adventure. Get off your fucking high horse with that “too sophisticated for you” bullshit. I love the world of Middle Earth. I enjoy readjng the hobbit. LotR is just not well written. Stop degrading yourself with fanboy crap like above. Uh, umadbro? Degrading myself? What are you on?
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Oct 5, 2018 22:20:42 GMT
I'll happily give a nod to many mentioned movies, 'All That Jazz', 'Casablanca', the LoTR trilogy (a truly remarkable work, particularly the expanded),.. Personally, from the well known, I find that I really like some old Scott movies, 'Alien' and 'Blade Runner'. And Peckinpah's 'The Wild Bunch'. But ultimately, there are the movies the rest of you haven't seen: 'Aguirre, Wrath of God' Werner Herzog ( Warning: Not an optimistic or happy movie, does not progress hopefully.) 'Picnic at Hanging Rock' Peter Weir ( Warning: May scar you emotionally for life.) 'The Blade' Tsui Hark I recommend watching them alone, late at night, stark sober, well rested and not sleepy. Meditative mood. Apologies for the quality, but they are old movies. The really disturbing thing, is I don't think really good movies are really made any more? ...Or is it just me having some overdeveloped respect and regard for old, slow and technically limited movies? But then I remember some really cool newer movies: 'The Usual Suspects', 'Memento', 'Fight Club',.. ...But then again, I think maybe they only depend upon the tricks they play on the audience in the way they tell their story? They wouldn't stand a comparison with the above if the story told, was the story seen? ...But then again, don't they also play a sort of trick on their audience? Like hope? ...And I even think tragedy is overrated. So why do I like the movies I like? Come to think about it, I even liked shit like 'Winter's Bone', 'Boys don't Cry', Billion Dollar Baby'. I won't ever see them again, but I liked them. ...And 'Twelve Monkeys'... And 'The Mission'...
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Oct 6, 2018 17:11:53 GMT
Okay, I managed to leave it there, looking all earnest and seriously-intended for like a week. Not bad.
Schizopolis is, in fact, a brilliant movie that most people have never heard of (despite being written and directed by Steven Soderburgh.)
Hudson Hawk is probably the most unfairly-maligned movie in history. I firmly believe that critics just didn't "get it" when it came out. It is hilarious, and has career performances from several of its actors. Also it is very silly, which apparently earned it a reputation as a bad movie (well, that and the fact that it lost record-breaking amounts of money at the time.)
I have never seen The Room. Well... I've seen bits and pieces of it. They say not to judge a book by its cover, but what if the cover looks really, really awful? O.o
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Post by House Targaryen on Oct 7, 2018 5:25:40 GMT
The Lord of the Rings trilogy rule over all.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Oct 7, 2018 19:39:07 GMT
Toss up between The Seventh Seal and The Night of the Hunter.
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Post by Sifr on Oct 7, 2018 23:41:02 GMT
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.
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Post by legbamel on Oct 8, 2018 11:55:32 GMT
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead It was a brilliant idea that made a good play and a great movie. And I agree that Hudson Hawk is seriously underappreciated.
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Post by Patricia on Oct 12, 2018 8:16:07 GMT
For me it would be more like a top 50 or even a top 100 movies of all time it's just impossible for me to pick just one.
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Post by AnDromedary on Oct 16, 2018 17:02:45 GMT
I don't think there is such a thing as an objectively best movies, as movies are art and art will always be inherently subjective.
However, I would submit Inception as a movie with a lot of well crafted aspects to it. - The plot is very complex, yet internally logical and allow for a whole slew of different interpretations. - The characters have believable motivations for their actions and unique backstories. There is a decent amount of drama between them - The cinematography is professional and in places it is innovative (helped by the CGI and effects of course) - the CGI and SFX are spectacular (for the time of course) - Good acting all around - Action scenes are plentiful and over-the-top spectacular, yet they fit the plot well (due to the dream topic) - Decent amount of comic relief but also not too much - OST is memorable and fits well.
Personally, I thought Inception was one of the best movies within the last 30 years at least. But even if I try to constrain my fanboyism, I think there is still just a whole lot well crafted movie-making in this film. I think the same can be said for pretty much all of Christopher Nolans work. I don't necessarily "like" all his movies but he certainly knows what he's doing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 18:48:27 GMT
I don't think there is such a thing as an objectively best movies, as movies are art and art will always be inherently subjective. However, I would submit Inception as a movie with a lot of well crafted aspects to it. - The plot is very complex, yet internally logical and allow for a whole slew of different interpretations. - The characters have believable motivations for their actions and unique backstories. There is a decent amount of drama between them - The cinematography is professional and in places it is innovative (helped by the CGI and effects of course) - the CGI and SFX are spectacular (for the time of course) - Good acting all around - Action scenes are plentiful and over-the-top spectacular, yet they fit the plot well (due to the dream topic) - Decent amount of comic relief but also not too much - OST is memorable and fits well. Personally, I thought Inception was one of the best movies within the last 30 years at least. But even if I try to constrain my fanboyism, I think there is still just a whole lot well crafted movie-making in this film. I think the same can be said for pretty much all of Christopher Nolans work. I don't necessarily "like" all his movies but he certainly knows what he's doing. Great movie indeed! (a little hard to follow, at least for me , but I loved it). And well, I'm pretty sure the OP knows that there's no such thing as an ''objectively best movie''
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Oct 16, 2018 19:35:16 GMT
And well, I'm pretty sure the OP knows that there's no such thing as an ''objectively best movie'' That's one of my mantras. I always hate it whenever somebody says "this is objectively the worst movie ever," because movies are not objective. Sure you have objective qualities on what makes a movie good like sound design, cinematography, and acting, but the overall enjoyability of a movie is a very subjective thing. I originally created this thread as a game to see people give me a movie they say is Objectively the best, then crush them by showing that neither the Rotten Tomatoes, Amazon Reviews, or iMDB results ALL have 100% ratings. Maybe I should rename this thread to "movies you like but don't get enough love."
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Post by TopTrog on Oct 16, 2018 21:43:12 GMT
I don't think there is such a thing as an objectively best movies, as movies are art and art will always be inherently subjective. However, I would submit Inception as a movie with a lot of well crafted aspects to it. - The plot is very complex, yet internally logical and allow for a whole slew of different interpretations. - The characters have believable motivations for their actions and unique backstories. There is a decent amount of drama between them - The cinematography is professional and in places it is innovative (helped by the CGI and effects of course) - the CGI and SFX are spectacular (for the time of course) - Good acting all around - Action scenes are plentiful and over-the-top spectacular, yet they fit the plot well (due to the dream topic) - Decent amount of comic relief but also not too much - OST is memorable and fits well. Personally, I thought Inception was one of the best movies within the last 30 years at least. But even if I try to constrain my fanboyism, I think there is still just a whole lot well crafted movie-making in this film. I think the same can be said for pretty much all of Christopher Nolans work. I don't necessarily "like" all his movies but he certainly knows what he's doing. I agree - Inception is one of my all-time favorite movies as well. It is ridiculous how much stuff Nolan throws in there and still comes up with a movie that is equally satisfying on so many levels (no pun intended ).
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Post by mousestalker on Oct 16, 2018 22:02:27 GMT
And well, I'm pretty sure the OP knows that there's no such thing as an ''objectively best movie'' That's one of my mantras. I always hate it whenever somebody says "this is objectively the worst movie ever," because movies are not objective. Sure you have objective qualities on what makes a movie good like sound design, cinematography, and acting, but the overall enjoyability of a movie is a very subjective thing. I originally created this thread as a game to see people give me a movie they say is Objectively the best, then crush them by showing that neither the Rotten Tomatoes, Amazon Reviews, or iMDB results ALL have 100% ratings. Maybe I should rename this thread to "movies you like but don't get enough love."
If so, then this one. It was totally robbed at the Oscars, has Raoul Julia and is much better than any of the knock offs.
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Post by TopTrog on Oct 16, 2018 22:08:48 GMT
And well, I'm pretty sure the OP knows that there's no such thing as an ''objectively best movie'' That's one of my mantras. I always hate it whenever somebody says "this is objectively the worst movie ever," because movies are not objective. Sure you have objective qualities on what makes a movie good like sound design, cinematography, and acting, but the overall enjoyability of a movie is a very subjective thing. I originally created this thread as a game to see people give me a movie they say is Objectively the best, then crush them by showing that neither the Rotten Tomatoes, Amazon Reviews, or iMDB results ALL have 100% ratings. Maybe I should rename this thread to "movies you like but don't get enough love." "movies you like but don't get enough love." - that is something I can get behind . Here is one of my favorites from that category - it is a chinese movie from 2002 called "Wu jian dao", the english title is "Infernal Affairs". This is the movie that Martin Scorsese remade as "The Departed". The main story and many scenes are basically identical, but its take on many characters´interactions and their motivations is different. The mole in the police force is a much more interesting character in the chinese version in my opinion. This one is well worth watching regardless if you have seen "The Departed" or not. There are two follow-up movies of "Infernal Affairs" which are also quite good.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Oct 17, 2018 0:26:59 GMT
Okay, everybody! Important heads up! The thread will now be called "MOVIES YOU LIKE BUT DON'T GET ENOUGH LOVE!" This means that if there's a movie you enjoy but people don't seem to talk about it much, give it here for us movie fans to consume and try out! For example, have any of you heard of the movie State of Play, starring Russel Crowe, Ben Affleck, and Rachel McAdams? In my opinion, it's a very underrated political thriller movie about a newspaper reporter trying to get to the bottom of a supposed government conspiracy that resulted in two murders. It's got great performances, a mystery with some pretty neat twists and suspense, and just an all-around cool movie.
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Post by AnDromedary on Oct 17, 2018 17:09:56 GMT
Maybe I should rename this thread to "movies you like but don't get enough love." That's a very different premise to the original thread title though, right? I mean, I figured you wanted us to share the movies we like and list reasons as to why we do like them that go beyond "I think it's cool". Now it sounds more like we should share movies that are a bit out of the mainstream but that we think are great ... in which case: "12 Monkeys" FTW!!!
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Oct 17, 2018 17:27:13 GMT
And there's 'Brazil'. A fantastic movie. ...But be warned from what kind of movies I've mentioned before. (The movie has absolutely nothing to do with Brazil- the country. The name comes from a tune that was popular once).
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