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Post by DragonKingReborn on Nov 6, 2018 21:41:50 GMT
My first and last ever pre-order.... Dragon Age 2. 
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Nov 6, 2018 21:45:21 GMT
My first and last ever pre-order.... Dragon Age 2.  I've preordered 3 games. Cataclysm for WoW that arrived a week late (torture), Defense Grid 2 and I hated it, and MEA, which sucked. It's a curse I tell ya! Also who exactly is the whiny little bitch? If it's Aveline I'm gonna glare at ya. 
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Nov 6, 2018 21:46:43 GMT
Sebastian. The Exiled Prince was a "free" DLC if you pre-ordered DA2  Also; I'm not scared of you, kitten-mod
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Nov 6, 2018 21:48:30 GMT
Sebastian. The Exiled Prince was a "free" DLC if you pre-ordered DA2  Also; I'm not scared of you, kitten-mod Ah well, I agree on your assessment of Sebastian. Excellent, I have lulled him into a false sense of security
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Post by Serza on Nov 6, 2018 21:50:44 GMT
I need something to practice my marksmanship on. My first and last ever pre-order.... Dragon Age 2.  I've preordered 3 games. Cataclysm for WoW that arrived a week late (torture), Defense Grid 2 and I hated it, and MEA, which sucked. It's a curse I tell ya! Also who exactly is the whiny little bitch? If it's Aveline I'm gonna glare at ya. 
But... but... MEA didn't suck
How could you say that kittenmod? (that might stick, certainly better than flirtmod)
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Nov 6, 2018 21:53:31 GMT
I need something to practice my marksmanship on. I've preordered 3 games. Cataclysm for WoW that arrived a week late (torture), Defense Grid 2 and I hated it, and MEA, which sucked. It's a curse I tell ya! Also who exactly is the whiny little bitch? If it's Aveline I'm gonna glare at ya. 
But... but... MEA didn't suck
How could you say that kittenmod? (that might stick, certainly better than flirtmod)
It did for me, I just couldn't find the same level of commitment for it as I have for the trilogy. I played again and it was a drag.  So now I'm very wary, and will watch the reactions to Cyberpunk with interest. But I won't buy it for a long while. Eh I'll answer to pretty much anything at this point. 
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Post by Serza on Nov 6, 2018 21:57:02 GMT
I need something to practice my marksmanship on.
But... but... MEA didn't suck
How could you say that kittenmod? (that might stick, certainly better than flirtmod)
It did for me, I just couldn't find the same level of commitment for it as I have for the trilogy. I played again and it was a drag.  So now I'm very wary, and will watch the reactions to Cyberpunk with interest. But I won't buy it for a long while. Eh I'll answer to pretty much anything at this point. 
Alright, fiiiine... kittenmod.
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Post by river82 on Nov 7, 2018 0:38:20 GMT
Games are cheap these days. The price hasn't gone up for about 20 years, which means in real terms price has been declining. So I find it a fairly cheap way of expressing my pleasure for their business decisions. Will I regret pre-ordering? No, if they stop making games I like I'll stop buying those games after I've been burnt (like Bioware). I don't regret pre-ordering games nearly as much as I do getting on board the Sims rip-off experience. Just how much are they going to milk the consumer base for? Sims 3 cost 500 dollars for the complete game, base game + expansions. I'll gamble with 60 to 70 dollars on companies I really like to show appreciation that they're not like EA. You don't have to do it, but I like showing appreciation for people who keep my gaming experiences pleasant. You know "here's 60 dollars up front as a thank you that you're not Blizzard, with always online bullshit and a cash grabbing auction house." No, price has just doubled. Barely an increase. In 2000 you could have bought Diablo 2 for 50 US dollars (not including the expansion). That's the equivalent of 74 US dollars today. Diablo 3 cost 60 US dollars. NES games cost 50 dollars in 1990 in US money, that's close to 90 dollars today. SNES games went up to about 80 dollars for a game (high end. Like Chrono Trigger 1995, which was priced at I think 80* which is the equivalent of 130 US dollars today. Can you say rip off?) So no, prices haven't doubled. * fantasyanime.com/squaresoft/ctabout.htm
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 7, 2018 1:31:29 GMT
No, price has just doubled. Barely an increase. In 2000 you could have bought Diablo 2 for 50 US dollars (not including the expansion). That's the equivalent of 74 US dollars today. Diablo 3 cost 60 US dollars. NES games cost 50 dollars in 1990 in US money, that's close to 90 dollars today. SNES games went up to about 80 dollars for a game (high end. Like Chrono Trigger 1995, which was priced at I think 80* which is the equivalent of 130 US dollars today. Can you say rip off?) So no, prices haven't doubled. * fantasyanime.com/squaresoft/ctabout.htmPff, what do I care about Dollas? Here prices effectively doubled.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 2:13:49 GMT
Games are cheap these days. The price hasn't gone up for about 20 years, which means in real terms price has been declining. Really? Base game price hasn't changed too much on that time, but it has risen. The initial quality and the volume of content in that time, has gone down. Then you have DLC. And then you have microtransucktions. So, I disagree entirely with your basis. But, you do you I guess. Pre-ordering is a net loss for the community, so glad it works for ya.  Hey buddy I'm with ya. I pre-ordered... DA2 Diablo 3 MEA ( Against my better judgement ) ...and I'm done with pre-orders. I've been burned 1 too many times.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Nov 7, 2018 2:59:38 GMT
Really? Base game price hasn't changed too much on that time, but it has risen. The initial quality and the volume of content in that time, has gone down. Then you have DLC. And then you have microtransucktions. So, I disagree entirely with your basis. But, you do you I guess. Pre-ordering is a net loss for the community, so glad it works for ya.  Hey buddy I'm with ya. I pre-ordered... DA2 Diablo 3 MEA ( Against my better judgement ) ...and I'm done with pre-orders. I've been burned 1 too many times. I pre-ordered ME3 and DAI. Never again 
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Post by jediguardian on Nov 7, 2018 8:27:45 GMT
Lately I preorder every game I want to play (not much). And for Cyberpunk2077, I still wait for more gameplay to see I can handle FPP or not and how they treat LGBT people. IF I am OK for what I see, I will preprder this game.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Nov 7, 2018 9:33:37 GMT
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 7, 2018 10:46:49 GMT
In 2000 you could have bought Diablo 2 for 50 US dollars (not including the expansion). That's the equivalent of 74 US dollars today. Diablo 3 cost 60 US dollars. NES games cost 50 dollars in 1990 in US money, that's close to 90 dollars today. SNES games went up to about 80 dollars for a game (high end. Like Chrono Trigger 1995, which was priced at I think 80* which is the equivalent of 130 US dollars today. Can you say rip off?) So no, prices haven't doubled. * fantasyanime.com/squaresoft/ctabout.htmPff, what do I care about Dollas? Here prices effectively doubled. Wait, haven't we talked about this before? You were talking about PC games and I about console games? Because when I was a kid SNES games cost up to 130 DM. That was freaking expensive! So, no, console game prices have NOT gone up. I repeat. Unless this is about how we all got shafted with the euro?
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 7, 2018 11:18:56 GMT
Pff, what do I care about Dollas? Here prices effectively doubled. Wait, haven't we talked about this before? You were talking about PC games and I about console games? Because when I was a kid SNES games cost up to 130 DM. That was freaking expensive! So, no, console game prices have NOT gone up. I repeat. Unless this is about how we all got shafted with the euro? Yes, we had this with console talk back then. And yes, it`s pretty much the EUR price being the same numbers like the old DM prices. For PC.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 7, 2018 13:01:23 GMT
Wait, haven't we talked about this before? You were talking about PC games and I about console games? Because when I was a kid SNES games cost up to 130 DM. That was freaking expensive! So, no, console game prices have NOT gone up. I repeat. Unless this is about how we all got shafted with the euro? Yes, we had this with console talk back then. And yes, it`s pretty much the EUR price being the same numbers like the old DM prices. For PC. OK, I researched this a bit... There is a website that does calculations that factors in inflation and everything. So while a game like Wasteland that came out in 1988 indeed cost 50-60 DM, this would be 44-53 EUR today. So that's not double. It's maybe a bit more. But not that much. It's console games that used to be a lot more expensive than they are today. On that same website Toy Story for SNES from 1996 that I think cost 120-130 DM would be 86-94 EUR today. Damn.
(Didn't mean to be an ass. Just curious about PC prices that I remembered as cheaper but not how much or what price that would translate to today.)
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 7, 2018 13:21:32 GMT
Yes, we had this with console talk back then. And yes, it`s pretty much the EUR price being the same numbers like the old DM prices. For PC. OK, I researched this a bit... There is a website that does calculations that factors in inflation and everything. So while a game like Wasteland that came out in 1988 indeed cost 50-60 DM, this would be 44-53 EUR today. So that's not double. It's maybe a bit more. But not that much. It's console games that used to be a lot more expensive than they are today. On that same website Toy Story for SNES from 1996 that I think cost 120-130 DM would be 86-94 EUR today. Damn.
(Didn't mean to be an ass. Just curious about PC prices that I remembered as cheaper but not how much or what price that would translate to today.)
You just smuggled in another 10 years of inflation. Originally we were talking about 20 years, not 30. And yes it is not exactly double and yes your point about console prices stands, since I cannot really comment on that never having played or paid console prices.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 7, 2018 13:37:50 GMT
Yes, we had this with console talk back then. And yes, it`s pretty much the EUR price being the same numbers like the old DM prices. For PC. OK, I researched this a bit... There is a website that does calculations that factors in inflation and everything. So while a game like Wasteland that came out in 1988 indeed cost 50-60 DM, this would be 44-53 EUR today. So that's not double. It's maybe a bit more. But not that much. It's console games that used to be a lot more expensive than they are today. On that same website Toy Story for SNES from 1996 that I think cost 120-130 DM would be 86-94 EUR today. Damn.
(Didn't mean to be an ass. Just curious about PC prices that I remembered as cheaper but not how much or what price that would translate to today.)
The problem I am seeing with the calculation is that with European countries would need to look a purchasing power because of the switch to the Euro and not just look at the value of their currency before the Euro and then think it would be the same as having the Euro now. I remember watching about the confusion because it was like buying a different countries currency where it was not a 1:1 ratio. Just how I see it as an outsider.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 7, 2018 14:29:31 GMT
OK, I researched this a bit... There is a website that does calculations that factors in inflation and everything. So while a game like Wasteland that came out in 1988 indeed cost 50-60 DM, this would be 44-53 EUR today. So that's not double. It's maybe a bit more. But not that much. It's console games that used to be a lot more expensive than they are today. On that same website Toy Story for SNES from 1996 that I think cost 120-130 DM would be 86-94 EUR today. Damn.
(Didn't mean to be an ass. Just curious about PC prices that I remembered as cheaper but not how much or what price that would translate to today.)
The problem I am seeing with the calculation is that with European countries would need to look a purchasing power because of the switch to the Euro and not just look at the value of their currency before the Euro and then think it would be the same as having the Euro now. I remember watching about the confusion because it was like buying a different countries currency where it was not a 1:1 ratio. Just how I see it as an outsider. Yes, that's also a factor. Difficult to get an exact equation. Also in relation to the prices of everything else. Gaming today is relatively cheap, but the prices of everything else went waaay up since the euro even if you consider inflation. Something silly like a scoop of ice cream costs 2 to 3 times as much as it did 25 years ago even by that online calculator.
This can mean that even if one thing is not more expensive you still might have less money to spend on entertainment now. Or be poorer than your parents were even though you earn more. My grandpa was a blue collar worker, my grandma cleaned other people's homes. Yet they could afford to build a nice house. My mom was a single parent who could buy a house too being a tax consultant (no college needed back then). I have a college degree but a low paying job and can't even afford a small car on my own. Yet gaming is so cheap these days (if you don't pre-order) that I bought more games in the past 5 years than I owned before combined. I'd rather pay twice as much for a game but less for everything else...
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Post by sgtreed24 on Nov 7, 2018 15:32:30 GMT
No for me. I don't like first-person games (they don't usually make me sick; I just don't like them outside vr). That's fair. It is a gamble for developers, I suppose, given that most people are more used to Third Person. Although I understand a little game called Skyrim did ok with it. I guess time will tell if their gamble pays off - although I think it most likely will. People always bring up skyrim in this first person vs third person debate for some unknown reason... Skyrim was playable in either perspective and I played it almost exclusively in third person (and I always will, that's why I love when game developers provide the option for that. Everyone wins!) unless I was in a really dark area and needed a closer look to see what I was doing. I think using skyrim is a poor argument. Anyway, as to the actual question of the thread, (and even though I'm not a fan of first person) the game is looking great so far imo, so currently for me it's a day 1 purchase. Not a pre-order tho. ETA: The only time I've pre-ordered games was back when I used to buy only physical copies from Gamestop (basically before I was a PC gamer). Yes, I want games day 1 because I hate waiting, sue me. Most bugs don't even bother me, which is why I never get the hate for Bethesda games and their "ridiculous amounts of bugs!". But with PC I can just buy and download them on day 1 and don't have to worry about Gamestop not having enough copies like back in the halo/gears/mass effect days. Plus if I really want the cosmetic stuff, it usually becomes free or I can just buy it later.
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Post by Vortex13 on Nov 7, 2018 17:10:33 GMT
The biggest thing for me going into Cyberpunk (aside from the unannounced but rumored multiplayer) though unlikely to be covered by any sort of review, professional or not, will be how much transhumanism/non-human elements will be covered in this game.
LGBT content is sure to be front and center on any gaming articles, either praising or demonizing CDPR for (in/ex)cluding such social/political elements, but I very much doubt that people will mention non-human portions of the setting. Things such as the 'alienness' of AGIs when compared to human perceptions, or at how 'Post-Human' one can become by replacing all of their flesh & bone with cold chrome.
That, for me, is far more compelling than who one can sleep with, or what type of genitalia they have.
Seeing as how reviewers are likely going to ignore or skip over such mentions I am going to have to gamble on what kind of universe CDPR will be creating for Cyberpunk. Though, judging by their nuanced approach to monsters in the Witcher series; instead of the whole "non-human = mindless evil" shtick that games like Dragon Age: Inquisition followed; I feel fairly confident that my purchase will be worthwhile.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Nov 7, 2018 19:32:53 GMT
That's fair. It is a gamble for developers, I suppose, given that most people are more used to Third Person. Although I understand a little game called Skyrim did ok with it. I guess time will tell if their gamble pays off - although I think it most likely will. People always bring up skyrim in this first person vs third person debate for some unknown reason... Skyrim was playable in either perspective and I played it almost exclusively in third person (and I always will, that's why I love when game developers provide the option for that. Everyone wins!) unless I was in a really dark area and needed a closer look to see what I was doing. I think using skyrim is a poor argument.  Really? I've never actually played it. It's just that every screen shot I've ever seen of it has FPP.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Nov 7, 2018 21:32:28 GMT
People always bring up skyrim in this first person vs third person debate for some unknown reason... Skyrim was playable in either perspective and I played it almost exclusively in third person (and I always will, that's why I love when game developers provide the option for that. Everyone wins!) unless I was in a really dark area and needed a closer look to see what I was doing. I think using skyrim is a poor argument.  Really? I've never actually played it. It's just that every screen shot I've ever seen of it has FPP. Haha yeah! People don't like the combat in 3rd person I guess? But I don't mind it. Generic 3rd person pic:
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Post by davesin on Nov 7, 2018 21:45:32 GMT
I'll probably purchase it shortly after release and after reading some reviews and seeing some let's play. CD Project didn't let me down so far though and I hope this won't be a failure.
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Post by regack on Nov 9, 2018 4:09:17 GMT
Oh, this is a good poll, because for years now, my answer would have been "PREORDER!!!!!!!!!!!" and then they went and made it first-person only... and now it's going to have to seriously blow me out of the water to get me interested, in spite of how much I was looking forward to this.
Fallout 3, Fallout NV, Fallout 4, Skyrim, yeah, I immediately toggled to third person. Disembodied voices coming from "my" head, that isn't me, breaks my immersion (*takes a drink* - oops, wrong thread) and then there's the FOV that makes it seem like i'm looking through blinders, or make it wider, and I get sick... and... who walks around with their hands all up in their field of view all day?
I realize it's totally subjective that I just don't enjoy first-person as much. I'm happy for you all you that are excited about it, but I can't help but feel anything but massive disappointment. I know they're not making the game for *ME*, but I did want to find something to get excited about. With Anthem shaping up to not really being my thing (and having it's own First/Third person identity crisis)... I guess I can spend the money on wine instead.
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