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Post by Hier0phant on Jan 1, 2019 9:47:06 GMT
E. Less resources spent on animating sex scenes, and romances in general. Ride the Bull was cringe and i can't even believe that was Gaider's magnum opus. Iron Bull's lead writer was Patrick Weekes, not David Gaider. (Of course, these things are a team effort. John Epler did Bull's the cinematics, and is responsible for going to extra mile that let everyone ride the Bull if they wanted, including people who played as dwarves. Which is one of the reasons I'm delighted he's the narrative lead going forward.)
Gaider was Inquisition's lead writer, no? If so why would he allow such a terrible line to remain, it's cringey, but I do agree with Gaider's initial assessment about dwarven romances. Very creepy.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jan 1, 2019 10:56:31 GMT
Iron Bull's lead writer was Patrick Weekes, not David Gaider. (Of course, these things are a team effort. John Epler did Bull's the cinematics, and is responsible for going to extra mile that let everyone ride the Bull if they wanted, including people who played as dwarves. Which is one of the reasons I'm delighted he's the narrative lead going forward.)
Gaider was Inquisition's lead writer, no? If so why would he allow such a terrible line to remain, it's cringey Oh, sorry, I thought by 'magnum opus' you meant the Bull romance specifically, not the game as a whole.
As for why he left the line in, presumably he has a different opinion of it than you do. *shrug*
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 1, 2019 13:18:18 GMT
Its been a lot time since I played Inquisition, but what I would like to see compared to Andromeda is that I would like to have a game that doesn't have every feature and system dumped into the game to try and give everyone what they want in a BioWare / Dragon Age game for it never works out that way anyway. That is what I have liked about prior BioWare games is that the focus is on the story and not gameplay elements that can become clunky and overbearing and hurt other elements of the game because they don't feel like they belong.
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Post by count Catwell on Jan 1, 2019 13:31:07 GMT
4) Please stop with that social justice thing. You didn't have any problem with its absence from Origins, you even had a higher approval rating, you won't have a problem without it in the next Dragon Age 4, I can guarantee. If you really, really and I do mean REALLY have and want to make some sort of social message than please HINT it more elegantly and with more finesse. Don bash us on the head and face with it. Please give more credit to your audience. We are not five-year-olds, we'll understand it if you don't spit it out for us I don’t want to derail this thread, but... how did the “social messages” in Inquisition bash us on the head any more than in Origins? Origins had TONS of LGBT representation and feminist messages. When I played Origins and saw that the religion was “the pope and all priests are women, also we worship genderbent Jesus” I was like “wow, how did they get away with that?” Two bisexual party members, plenty of bisexual secondary characters, and your own character can be gay, lesbian, bi whatever you want! Not to mention all the powerful female combatants in your party and in every major battle cutscene (look at Ostagar cinematic again and youll see female warriors and beastmasters). I’m not gonna try to tell you you can’t dislike having social justice messages in your games, but Origins had pretty much the same level of progressive politics as Inquisition did. Yes, it had, but the difference was that you could choose to have them in your character's story or not. Zevhran was forced to work in a brothel so when I played Origins I chose to take his bisexual hints as a mere habit of his old profession. The same was to me with Leliana. About the chantry, I never gave it much thought because I didn't consider Andraste as a female Jesus. I just said to myself this is a fictional world with a fictional religion. I never took it as a sign of female dominance that women were the head of the chantry. I just thought that it was this world's religion's canon that women are the priest and didn't give any further thought to it. In Inquisition the case was different. That element of choice how to shape your story is gone. You now have specifically gay characters, unlike Origins. Dorian is a man who openly says he is gay and has run away from his family and home because they are too short-sighted to accept his natural love for other men and your character has to support and comfort him - typical gay drama. Then you have Krem. Who to me looked like an ordinary young boy mercenary in the band of the Iron Bull, at least that would be the choice I would make in my head for the story until I return to Skyhold and speak to Iron Bull. He gives me a declamatory speech of how despite Krem not having male genitals, he is one of the best warriors and friends he has or something like that. This is the huge difference in how social messages were presented in both games. In the first, you had the choice to ignore them or not and even fully add them to your own character's story, but in Inquisition, you have to put up with them. What I liked about Origins was merely this fact - That in a world were everything must be politically correct you had a place where to shape your own one and do and say the things you want. If I want my character and some of his companions to be an LGBT band I could do it, if I wanted my character to be a conservative one that doesn't approve gay, trans, feminism and etc., I could do it. That way no matter your beliefs, views, sexuality, race and so on you could shape the story you want in-game or at liest in your head
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Post by Catilina on Jan 1, 2019 13:48:17 GMT
I don’t want to derail this thread, but... how did the “social messages” in Inquisition bash us on the head any more than in Origins?
Origins had TONS of LGBT representation and feminist messages. When I played Origins and saw that the religion was “the pope and all priests are women, also we worship genderbent Jesus” I was like “wow, how did they get away with that?” Two bisexual party members, plenty of bisexual secondary characters, and your own character can be gay, lesbian, bi whatever you want! Not to mention all the powerful female combatants in your party and in every major battle cutscene (look at Ostagar cinematic again and youll see female warriors and beastmasters).
I’m not gonna try to tell you you can’t dislike having social justice messages in your games, but Origins had pretty much the same level of progressive politics as Inquisition did.
Yes, it had, but the difference was that you could choose to have them in your character's story or not. Zevhran was forced to work in a brothel so when I played Origins I chose to take his bisexual hints as a mere habit of his old profession. The same was to me with Leliana. About the chantry, I never gave it much thought because I didn't consider Andraste as a female Jesus. I just said to myself this is a fictional world with a fictional religion. I never took it as a sign of female dominance that women were the head of the chantry. I just thought that it was this world's religion's canon that women are the priest and didn't give any further thought to it. In Inquisition the case was different. That element of choice how to shape your story is gone. You now have specifically gay characters, unlike Origins. Dorian is a man who openly says he is gay and has run away from his family and home because they are too short-sighted to accept his natural love for other men and your character has to support and comfort him - typical gay drama. Then you have Krem. Who to me looked like an ordinary young boy mercenary in the band of the Iron Bull, at least that would be the choice I would make in my head for the story until I return to Skyhold and speak to Iron Bull. He gives me a declamatory speech of how despite Krem not having male genitals, he is one of the best warriors and friends he has or something like that. This is the huge difference in how social messages were presented in both games. In the first, you had the choice to ignore them or not and even fully add them to your own character's story, but in Inquisition, you have to put up with them. What I liked about Origins was merely this fact - That in a world were everything must be politically correct you had a place where to shape your own one and do and say the things you want. If I want my character and some of his companions to be an LGBT band I could do it, if I wanted my character to be a conservative one that doesn't approve gay, trans, feminism and etc., I could do it. That way no matter your beliefs, views, sexuality, race and so on you could shape the story you want in-game or at liest in your head Stop that. Zevran was not forced to work in a brothel, he lived in a brothel, because his mother was forced to work here, and after her death, the prostitutes grew him up until the Crow bought him from them. The sexuality isn't a "habit". And not about what you think in your head.
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Post by count Catwell on Jan 1, 2019 13:51:08 GMT
I don’t want to derail this thread, but... how did the “social messages” in Inquisition bash us on the head any more than in Origins?
Origins had TONS of LGBT representation and feminist messages. When I played Origins and saw that the religion was “the pope and all priests are women, also we worship genderbent Jesus” I was like “wow, how did they get away with that?” Two bisexual party members, plenty of bisexual secondary characters, and your own character can be gay, lesbian, bi whatever you want! Not to mention all the powerful female combatants in your party and in every major battle cutscene (look at Ostagar cinematic again and youll see female warriors and beastmasters).
I’m not gonna try to tell you you can’t dislike having social justice messages in your games, but Origins had pretty much the same level of progressive politics as Inquisition did.
Yes, it had, but the difference was that you could choose to have them in your character's story or not. Zevhran was forced to work in a brothel so when I played Origins I chose to take his bisexual hints as a mere habit of his old profession. The same was to me with Leliana. About the chantry, I never gave it much thought because I didn't consider Andraste as a female Jesus. I just said to myself this is a fictional world with a fictional religion. I never took it as a sign of female dominance that women were the head of the chantry. I just thought that it was this world's religion's canon that women are the priest and didn't give any further thought to it. In Inquisition the case was different. That element of choice how to shape your story is gone. You now have specifically gay characters, unlike Origins. Dorian is a man who openly says he is gay and has run away from his family and home because they are too short-sighted to accept his natural love for other men and your character has to support and comfort him - typical gay drama. Then you have Krem. Who to me looked like an ordinary young boy mercenary in the band of the Iron Bull, at least that would be the choice I would make in my head for the story until I return to Skyhold and speak to Iron Bull. He gives me a declamatory speech of how despite Krem not having male genitals, he is one of the best warriors and friends he has or something like that. This is the huge difference in how social messages were presented in both games. In the first, you had the choice to ignore them or not and even fully add them to your own character's story, but in Inquisition, you have to put up with them. What I liked about Origins was merely this fact - That in a world were everything must be politically correct you had a place where to shape your own one and do and say the things you want. If I want my character and some of his companions to be an LGBT band I could do it, if I wanted my character to be a conservative one that doesn't approve gay, trans, feminism and etc., I could do it. That way no matter your beliefs, views, sexuality, race and so on you could shape the story you want in-game or at liest in your head Stop that. Zevran was not forced to work in a brothel, he lived in a brothel, because his mother was forced to work here, and after her death, the prostitutes grew him up until the Crow bought him from them. The sexuality isn't a "habit". And not about what you think in your head. You choose this version, I choose mine, but we still have some ground for our choices
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Post by Catilina on Jan 1, 2019 13:55:21 GMT
Stop that. Zevran was not forced to work in a brothel, he lived in a brothel, because his mother was forced to work here, and after her death, the prostitutes grew him up until the Crow bought him from them. The sexuality isn't a "habit". And not about what you think in your head. You choose this version, I choose mine, but we still have some ground for our choices No, this isn't my "version" or my "choice". Again: the sexuality isn't a habit not even a choice. Many gay was forced to live in heterosexual marriage, that fact didn't make them bisexual. Zevran's openly bisexual, you can't erase that, just because you don't like that.
Many tried to erase the bisexuality, in fact, especially in Anders' case. This is wrong. It's not about your imagination.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 1, 2019 14:17:10 GMT
I don’t want to derail this thread, but... how did the “social messages” in Inquisition bash us on the head any more than in Origins? Origins had TONS of LGBT representation and feminist messages. When I played Origins and saw that the religion was “the pope and all priests are women, also we worship genderbent Jesus” I was like “wow, how did they get away with that?” Two bisexual party members, plenty of bisexual secondary characters, and your own character can be gay, lesbian, bi whatever you want! Not to mention all the powerful female combatants in your party and in every major battle cutscene (look at Ostagar cinematic again and youll see female warriors and beastmasters). I’m not gonna try to tell you you can’t dislike having social justice messages in your games, but Origins had pretty much the same level of progressive politics as Inquisition did. Yes, it had, but the difference was that you could choose to have them in your character's story or not. Zevhran was forced to work in a brothel so when I played Origins I chose to take his bisexual hints as a mere habit of his old profession. The same was to me with Leliana. About the chantry, I never gave it much thought because I didn't consider Andraste as a female Jesus. I just said to myself this is a fictional world with a fictional religion. I never took it as a sign of female dominance that women were the head of the chantry. I just thought that it was this world's religion's canon that women are the priest and didn't give any further thought to it. In Inquisition the case was different. That element of choice how to shape your story is gone. You now have specifically gay characters, unlike Origins. Dorian is a man who openly says he is gay and has run away from his family and home because they are too short-sighted to accept his natural love for other men and your character has to support and comfort him - typical gay drama. Then you have Krem. Who to me looked like an ordinary young boy mercenary in the band of the Iron Bull, at least that would be the choice I would make in my head for the story until I return to Skyhold and speak to Iron Bull. He gives me a declamatory speech of how despite Krem not having male genitals, he is one of the best warriors and friends he has or something like that. This is the huge difference in how social messages were presented in both games. In the first, you had the choice to ignore them or not and even fully add them to your own character's story, but in Inquisition, you have to put up with them. What I liked about Origins was merely this fact - That in a world were everything must be politically correct you had a place where to shape your own one and do and say the things you want. If I want my character and some of his companions to be an LGBT band I could do it, if I wanted my character to be a conservative one that doesn't approve gay, trans, feminism and etc., I could do it. That way no matter your beliefs, views, sexuality, race and so on you could shape the story you want in-game or at liest in your head Sooo.... you want to be able to sweep LGBT people under the rug and headcanon them out of existence (Zevran and Leliana's bisexuality as a "habit"??) because that's "political".... but the numerous straight people running around somehow isn't social commentary. Ok. "You could choose to have them in your character's story or not" Seems to me there are bazillions of straight people in DAO and I never chose that 🤔
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Post by count Catwell on Jan 1, 2019 14:19:08 GMT
You choose this version, I choose mine, but we still have some ground for our choices No, this isn't my "version" or my "choice". Again: the sexuality isn't a habit not even a choice. Many gay was forced to live in heterosexual marriage, that fact didn't make them bisexual. Zevran's openly bisexual, you can't erase that, just because you don't like that.
Many tried to erase the bisexuality, in fact, especially in Anders' case. This is wrong. It's not about your imagination.
I have the right to believe what I want, you as well. I don't force my beliefs on you, so please don't force yours on me. And it was wrong to make Anders bisexual in the first place since he was openly hetero in Awakening plus they totally ruined him as a character in DA II. Quote: Ander to Velanna:" Have I ever told you I find tattoos on women incredibly attractive", nothing on men, sorry
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Post by Catilina on Jan 1, 2019 14:30:54 GMT
No, this isn't my "version" or my "choice". Again: the sexuality isn't a habit not even a choice. Many gay was forced to live in heterosexual marriage, that fact didn't make them bisexual. Zevran's openly bisexual, you can't erase that, just because you don't like that. Many tried to erase the bisexuality, in fact, especially in Anders' case. This is wrong. It's not about your imagination.
I have the right to believe what I want, you as well. I don't force my beliefs on you, so please don't force yours on me. And it was wrong to make Anders bisexual in the first place since he was openly hetero in Awakening plus they totally ruined him as a character in DA II. Quote: Ander to Velanna:" Have I ever told you I find tattoos on women incredibly attractive", nothing on men, sorry He said to Velanna, because Velanna is a woman. He was never "openly heterosexual" (such an idiot "term"...). A bisexual attracts men and women, the fact, that Anders complimented to Velanna, doesn't mean, he's hetero.By the way, Gaider said, he didn't even wrote him heterosexual. And he flirts with Nathaniel too.
By the way, you think, that if comes out about someone, that s/he's bisexual, that fact "ruins the character"? "Interesting" view.
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Post by Ser_PJ on Jan 1, 2019 14:36:53 GMT
No, this isn't my "version" or my "choice". Again: the sexuality isn't a habit not even a choice. Many gay was forced to live in heterosexual marriage, that fact didn't make them bisexual. Zevran's openly bisexual, you can't erase that, just because you don't like that.
Many tried to erase the bisexuality, in fact, especially in Anders' case. This is wrong. It's not about your imagination.
I have the right to believe what I want, you as well. I don't force my beliefs on you, so please don't force yours on me. And it was wrong to make Anders bisexual in the first place since he was openly hetero in Awakening plus they totally ruined him as a character in DA II. Quote: Ander to Velanna:" Have I ever told you I find tattoos on women incredibly attractive", nothing on men, sorry You can believe what you want sure, it's not really how science has proven sexuality works, but sure... Also, Im sure many bi people find certain trait attractive on one gender but not the other. Anders like tat's on women, likewise im sure there's features he likes on men but doesn't on women. Complimenting one gender isnt indicative of a bi person being hetero. But anyways, back to the real shit, i want improved relationships with mabari, like back in dao. i wanna see what wacky shit he/she gets up to. Oh, and i'd be for something like in dragons dogma, where we can slightly modify the pitch of the protags voice actor
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Post by count Catwell on Jan 1, 2019 14:38:43 GMT
Yes, it had, but the difference was that you could choose to have them in your character's story or not. Zevhran was forced to work in a brothel so when I played Origins I chose to take his bisexual hints as a mere habit of his old profession. The same was to me with Leliana. About the chantry, I never gave it much thought because I didn't consider Andraste as a female Jesus. I just said to myself this is a fictional world with a fictional religion. I never took it as a sign of female dominance that women were the head of the chantry. I just thought that it was this world's religion's canon that women are the priest and didn't give any further thought to it. In Inquisition the case was different. That element of choice how to shape your story is gone. You now have specifically gay characters, unlike Origins. Dorian is a man who openly says he is gay and has run away from his family and home because they are too short-sighted to accept his natural love for other men and your character has to support and comfort him - typical gay drama. Then you have Krem. Who to me looked like an ordinary young boy mercenary in the band of the Iron Bull, at least that would be the choice I would make in my head for the story until I return to Skyhold and speak to Iron Bull. He gives me a declamatory speech of how despite Krem not having male genitals, he is one of the best warriors and friends he has or something like that. This is the huge difference in how social messages were presented in both games. In the first, you had the choice to ignore them or not and even fully add them to your own character's story, but in Inquisition, you have to put up with them. What I liked about Origins was merely this fact - That in a world were everything must be politically correct you had a place where to shape your own one and do and say the things you want. If I want my character and some of his companions to be an LGBT band I could do it, if I wanted my character to be a conservative one that doesn't approve gay, trans, feminism and etc., I could do it. That way no matter your beliefs, views, sexuality, race and so on you could shape the story you want in-game or at liest in your head Sooo.... you want to be able to sweep LGBT people under the rug and headcanon them out of existence (Zevran and Leliana's bisexuality as a "habit"??) because that's "political".... but the numerous straight people running around somehow isn't social commentary. Ok. "You could choose to have them in your character's story or not" Seems to me there are bazillions of straight people in DAO and I never chose that 🤔 Of course, you can't make the entire populace of Thedas gay. I was concentrating more on those around you and the fact that if you don't accept them you can choose to either ''hide them under the rug'' as you said or openly not accept them like the time when Zevrahn tries to seduce you and asks you if you are ok with that or no and you even have a dialogue choice to tell him that you don't find this normal, which in Inquisition is missing. If you want them to bi- or gay or whatever then make them, games are a free time activity and one should be able to interpret them the way one wants. Let's not make this chatroom a debate on a topic, for which I can't see a consensus. The main idea that I was defending was that I don't like being slapped by social messages and that they should be more elegantly presented as they were in Origins. How I interpret them is my choice. I don't say that they are canon, I don't say they are right, but they are mine. I don't judge the messages but only the way they are presented and make a compliment on the way they were presented in Origins.
THAT'S ALL!!! After all, this is a room for game improvements, not gender politics debate, on which I want no part of. Sorry if by some way I diverted it in this topic. It was never my intention to do so.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 1, 2019 14:51:50 GMT
Sooo.... you want to be able to sweep LGBT people under the rug and headcanon them out of existence (Zevran and Leliana's bisexuality as a "habit"??) because that's "political".... but the numerous straight people running around somehow isn't social commentary. Ok.
"You could choose to have them in your character's story or not" Seems to me there are bazillions of straight people in DAO and I never chose that 🤔 Of course, you can't make the entire populace of Thedas gay. I was concentrating more on those around you and the fact that if you don't accept them you can choose to either ''hide them under the rug'' as you said or openly not accept them like the time when Zevrahn tries to seduce you and asks you if you are ok with that or no and you even have a dialogue choice to tell him that you don't find this normal, which in Inquisition is missing. If you want them to bi- or gay or whatever then make them, games are a free time activity and one should be able to interpret them the way one wants. Let's not make this chatroom a debate on a topic, for which I can't see a consensus. The main idea that I was defending was that I don't like being slapped by social messages and that they should be more elegantly presented as they were in Origins. How I interpret them is my choice. I don't say that they are canon, I don't say they are right, but they are mine. I don't judge the messages but only the way they are presented and make a compliment on the way they were presented in Origins. TANT'S ALL!!! 1. Why not? 2. In the Inquisition the potential LI's doesn't express their attraction like in DAO and in DA2. This is sad, I would like this. But this was because some straight gamer whined, that Zevran and Anders "jumped" on their lovely super straight hero. (By the way, it was no problem to them, that Isabela and Merrill visited Hawke...) You want back this option, only because you want to send them to the hell? Funny, indeed. 3. You forced this conversation whit that nonsense, that don't push their sexuality into your face...
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Post by DragonRacer on Jan 1, 2019 15:02:51 GMT
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Folks,
Per the BSN rules update earlier this month, this thread is going down the path of debating real world sexuality and gender. Please pull it back on topic of game features and improvements you'd like to see.
Continuing debate will result in posts being removed and moderation actions against participating members.
Thank you.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 1, 2019 15:04:25 GMT
The main idea that I was defending was that I don't like being slapped by social messages One poster's 'social messaging' is another poster's 'tolerant ecosystem', I guess. But yes I agree, let's not have a fight about it in here, the game's still a good while off... EDIT: Would appear the 'Mod-cave' has woken up after New Year...
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Post by Tekehu's booty on Jan 1, 2019 15:11:07 GMT
that user's post -whom i have blocked- has been there whining about SJWs and lgbtq content for days so it's only fair to answer their passive agressions about how bisexuality is a habit. Imo. but yeah returning to the topic I WANT ANIMAL COMPANIONS TO RETURN! Mabari are really good boys but maybe something bigger but with the heart of a puppy... WHAT ABOUT A BABY DRAGON
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Post by count Catwell on Jan 1, 2019 15:16:46 GMT
Finally someone, who understands. The main things I wanted in my post, which thanks to this senseless debate, is now over 3 pages behind were just city environment, characters look and dialogue improvement and if possible a not so direct way of presenting social messages, END of story.
Plus if possible, due to the fact that I'm a mage main, could to bring back the shapeshifter class and maybe add some light - based spells
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Post by Catilina on Jan 1, 2019 15:20:44 GMT
Finally someone, who understands. The main things I wanted in my post, which thanks to this senseless debate, is now over 3 pages behind were just city environment, characters look and dialogue improvement and if possible a not so direct way of presenting social messages, END of story. This isn't senseless, and the social messages in the media, always matters – and the videogame is a media. And what did you want was the opinion, you will be able to send to the hell a biseual character. What did you want, not a social message? THIS isn't a social message?
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Post by count Catwell on Jan 1, 2019 15:48:25 GMT
that user's post -whom i have blocked- has been there whining about SJWs and lgbtq content for days so it's only fair to answer their passive agressions about how bisexuality is a habit. Imo. I haven't been whining about anything. I just expressed my opinion that such messages should be displayed not so directly. I don't say it's right, it's just an opinion. Then your friends or accomplices or supporters have been exaggerating every word I have written and provoking me and even turned them towards the real life, which is wrong. I have never said that bi or any kind of sexuality is a habit, but that the not so directly placed message in Origins allowed ME, ME, ME to interpret Zevrahn's seduction as a habit due to his time spent working in a brothel. And then you go on swarming me and accusing me of provocations against a certain community, which I have not done.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jan 1, 2019 16:54:18 GMT
Gaider was Inquisition's lead writer, no? If so why would he allow such a terrible line to remain, it's cringey Oh, sorry, I thought by 'magnum opus' you meant the Bull romance specifically, not the game as a whole.
As for why he left the line in, presumably he has a different opinion of it than you do. *shrug*
Sure, that much is obvious. Back on topic, I'd like to see staff attacks that are similar to Dragon's Dogma's that were fast unlike Origins but weren't overdramatic like DA2's and Inquisition. Hell AOE spell casting, and elemental enchanting/effects like DD would also be nice. Toss in the return of unrestricted armor types too for more build variety.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 1, 2019 17:06:26 GMT
Thanks for all the clarifications. On with the topic...
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 1, 2019 17:19:25 GMT
I appreciated DAO's flexibility in mage builds with the different trees of magic - you could be someone who specialized in technical glyphs, or entropic magic, or shapeshifting, or summoning/wards. In DA2 and DAI, though, all magic is tied to elemental magic. It's annoying and restrictive if you'd rather play your mage as, say, an expert herbalist with a strong background in spirit magic.
I'd also like to see more flexibility in other classes. I really liked the Battlemaster tree for warriors in DAI - being able to drag enemies closer to you, combat rolls to avoid attacks, etc. Much more dynamic!
I would also like some different specs this time, because Champion, Templar, and either Reaver or Berserker are in EVERY game. For warriors, if we're going to Tevinter I would love to see a Gladiator or Magekiller spec.
And I'd like more weapons. Flails, crossbows, handaxes, spears, throwing knives, sword + dagger combo like Zevran sported in DAO... just a little variety.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 1, 2019 17:40:06 GMT
Can we fight barefisted already? Thanks.
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Post by cankiie on Jan 1, 2019 17:41:43 GMT
Can we fight barefisted already? Thanks. Warrior martial artist specialization!
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 1, 2019 18:18:13 GMT
Can we fight barefisted already? Thanks. YES. A monk class would be particularly awesome. Let us throatpunch our enemies.
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