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Post by Lennity on Aug 27, 2016 7:32:23 GMT
I haven't pursued a romance with Jack yet, because I wanted to remain in a committed relationship with Liara. But meeting Jack and getting to know her and witnessing her walls slowly come down was amazing. On the outside she appears to be a tough woman, certain that her life won't change for the better, always living her life as a criminal. Yet, once you start treating her with respect and compassion, you come to realize that Jack has her own vulnerabilities. She has her insecurities and the suffering she had to experience as a girl who was a victim to Cerberus' operations. It really just gives a new perspective on Jack as a person.
I also love the character development of Jack in ME 3. Like Miranda said, you would have never expected Jack to be able to form bonds with those at Grissom Academy. But there she was, being supportive and a mentor to those teens and treating them like family.
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Post by kizanare on Aug 27, 2016 8:47:39 GMT
I guess I'm into so called "bad girls" I'm not sure how bad Jack really is though...
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Post by straykat on Aug 27, 2016 8:50:33 GMT
I guess I'm into so called "bad girls" I'm not sure how bad Jack really is though... I think in D&D type of terms, she's a chaotic neutral. Morinth is the real bad girl. I remember the writers borrowed a bit of Wolverine's story too. Or were inspired by it. He's kind of the same. Down to rescuing the kids in the movie.
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Post by kizanare on Aug 27, 2016 10:12:36 GMT
I guess I'm into so called "bad girls" I'm not sure how bad Jack really is though... I think in D&D type of terms, she's a chaotic neutral. Morinth is the real bad girl. I remember the writers borrowed a bit of Wolverine's story too. Or were inspired by it. He's kind of the same. Down to rescuing the kids in the movie. Yeah Morinth is definitely more of like a "bad girl." Jack is sort of like... hypersensitive moreso, with a slice of heartbreak and angst, so it's just not "positive" but it's not "bad" by any reasonable definition, IMO.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 2, 2017 5:37:01 GMT
All of a sudden paid attention to what was going on with my squadmates in battle during my current ME2 playthrough. Yeah, I saw Grunt go down a lot but man was I impressed with Jack! Not only does she not get taken out so easily - even with zero body armor - but she packs quite the punch! I will definitely be using her more often.
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Post by JayKay on Jan 5, 2017 16:44:11 GMT
Jack is definitely one of my favorite ME2 squadmates, not just because she was good both on the field and in terms of character, but I loved how she progressed in ME3. Sure I would have liked to have seen more with her in 3, but her plot made sense and, well, that's what happens when there's a good chance the character could be dead in a person's playthrough... This thread has been pretty lacking in pictures... First, not sure if this is concept art or fan-art from one of the official Bioware artists, but I'll take it! (Source)And as one might expect, Jack is a pretty popular character to cosplay: (Source)
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Post by obbie1984 on Jul 14, 2017 6:22:33 GMT
Maybe I missed it, but all these posts, walls of text, and adulation for Jack. But not one person mentioned the Citadel DLC tattoo scene?
Seriously, that was one of the most touching moments in the entire series PERIOD.
I will be the first sort of naysayer in this topic for Jack. I think her romance is very good and even what little there is in ME3 is also great. But if I'm really roleplaying Shepard, I'm not sure if I could get into Jack. Its not just how she looks, how she acts, or how she pushes you away. Its all the terrible things she's done in her life. Yeah, there are likely reasons for it, but I'm sure she's hurt or killed a lot of people who didn't deserve to die.
I'm not sure if I could be with someone who had that in their past. I know its a weird thing to complain about.
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Post by fraggle on Jul 14, 2017 12:41:47 GMT
Maybe I missed it, but all these posts, walls of text, and adulation for Jack. But not one person mentioned the Citadel DLC tattoo scene? Seriously, that was one of the most touching moments in the entire series PERIOD. I will be the first sort of naysayer in this topic for Jack. I think her romance is very good and even what little there is in ME3 is also great. But if I'm really roleplaying Shepard, I'm not sure if I could get into Jack. Its not just how she looks, how she acts, or how she pushes you away. Its all the terrible things she's done in her life. Yeah, there are likely reasons for it, but I'm sure she's hurt or killed a lot of people who didn't deserve to die. I'm not sure if I could be with someone who had that in their past. I know its a weird thing to complain about. It was probably mentioned on the old forum. I bawled my eyes out during this scene, and I love it a lot. Hence my avatar As for the rest of your post, sure she killed people, but this is a game where you can even play a more "appropriate" Shepard for her romance if you have trouble as a Paragon character. Personally, I don't play games to play myself, so it's a clear cut for me. Like I'd never romance aliens in real life, but I tried out Garrus and currently am romancing Tali, soooo...
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Post by obbie1984 on Jul 14, 2017 20:17:22 GMT
Maybe I missed it, but all these posts, walls of text, and adulation for Jack. But not one person mentioned the Citadel DLC tattoo scene? Seriously, that was one of the most touching moments in the entire series PERIOD. I will be the first sort of naysayer in this topic for Jack. I think her romance is very good and even what little there is in ME3 is also great. But if I'm really roleplaying Shepard, I'm not sure if I could get into Jack. Its not just how she looks, how she acts, or how she pushes you away. Its all the terrible things she's done in her life. Yeah, there are likely reasons for it, but I'm sure she's hurt or killed a lot of people who didn't deserve to die. I'm not sure if I could be with someone who had that in their past. I know its a weird thing to complain about. It was probably mentioned on the old forum. I bawled my eyes out during this scene, and I love it a lot. Hence my avatar As for the rest of your post, sure she killed people, but this is a game where you can even play a more "appropriate" Shepard for her romance if you have trouble as a Paragon character. Personally, I don't play games to play myself, so it's a clear cut for me. Like I'd never romance aliens in real life, but I tried out Garrus and currently am romancing Tali, soooo... Oh my bad then. But it still deserves a second mention. That's how good that scene is. I didn't cry but out of all the romances in the series, that was the one scene that actually made me go "awww." And I never go "awww." As for a more appropriate Shepard, I'm not so sure. I like the synergy Jack has with Paragon Shepard. Sure some of the renegade dialogue choices are better when romancing Jack, but I prefer for a good person to show Jack that not everyone will screw her over and will genuinely care for her. Renegade Shepard can be caring, but I think Paragon Shepards just work better for Jack. And I hear you on the other points. But part of the reason I play games like ME and DA is because I can model a character after myself and make the choices I would make. And I'm with you on not romancing aliens. I definitely wouldn't be into Tali simply because I don't know what she looks like and she could die. And no way I'd bother with Liara. Its why I'd go for someone like Ashley or Miranda instead. And have fun with Tali's romance. I think its a bit too bubbly for my tastes, but its still really good.
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Post by fraggle on Jul 15, 2017 11:35:17 GMT
It was probably mentioned on the old forum. I bawled my eyes out during this scene, and I love it a lot. Hence my avatar As for the rest of your post, sure she killed people, but this is a game where you can even play a more "appropriate" Shepard for her romance if you have trouble as a Paragon character. Personally, I don't play games to play myself, so it's a clear cut for me. Like I'd never romance aliens in real life, but I tried out Garrus and currently am romancing Tali, soooo... Oh my bad then. But it still deserves a second mention. That's how good that scene is. I didn't cry but out of all the romances in the series, that was the one scene that actually made me go "awww." And I never go "awww." As for a more appropriate Shepard, I'm not so sure. I like the synergy Jack has with Paragon Shepard. Sure some of the renegade dialogue choices are better when romancing Jack, but I prefer for a good person to show Jack that not everyone will screw her over and will genuinely care for her. Renegade Shepard can be caring, but I think Paragon Shepards just work better for Jack. And I hear you on the other points. But part of the reason I play games like ME and DA is because I can model a character after myself and make the choices I would make. And I'm with you on not romancing aliens. I definitely wouldn't be into Tali simply because I don't know what she looks like and she could die. And no way I'd bother with Liara. Its why I'd go for someone like Ashley or Miranda instead. And have fun with Tali's romance. I think its a bit too bubbly for my tastes, but its still really good. Oh, don't worry, I just thought perhaps it had all already been said in the old threads, and these here don't have much activity. I cried because I had planned from the start to let my Shepard die at the end, and it felt horrible doing this to Jack when that scene came I really agree! I played a Paragon-y Shepard with her as well and I liked it a lot. I'm not sure I'll ever see the Renegade path aside from Youtube, because I can't imagine her with another Shepard of mine... but who knows, maybe someday far in the future! I played a Paragade in general in the run where I romanced her, so it was quite easy for him to accept what Jack had done. He was no saint either, haha. I also like you can set her on a better path. I can get behind that. My first run of a BW game is generally how I'd react most of the time, even though I don't create protags in my image (would be hard to because I prefer to play male first, but I'm female ). But once I played it like this I enjoy the aspect of playing a role that is very different from me. And yeah, I agree. All romances can be fun, it's not like I play myself in some of them, so it's not a big deal to go through with any one of those. In fact I'm currently working on seeing each romance at least once with various Sheps. It's been great so far!
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Post by obbie1984 on Jul 17, 2017 6:20:30 GMT
Oh my bad then. But it still deserves a second mention. That's how good that scene is. I didn't cry but out of all the romances in the series, that was the one scene that actually made me go "awww." And I never go "awww." As for a more appropriate Shepard, I'm not so sure. I like the synergy Jack has with Paragon Shepard. Sure some of the renegade dialogue choices are better when romancing Jack, but I prefer for a good person to show Jack that not everyone will screw her over and will genuinely care for her. Renegade Shepard can be caring, but I think Paragon Shepards just work better for Jack. And I hear you on the other points. But part of the reason I play games like ME and DA is because I can model a character after myself and make the choices I would make. And I'm with you on not romancing aliens. I definitely wouldn't be into Tali simply because I don't know what she looks like and she could die. And no way I'd bother with Liara. Its why I'd go for someone like Ashley or Miranda instead. And have fun with Tali's romance. I think its a bit too bubbly for my tastes, but its still really good. Oh, don't worry, I just thought perhaps it had all already been said in the old threads, and these here don't have much activity. I cried because I had planned from the start to let my Shepard die at the end, and it felt horrible doing this to Jack when that scene came I really agree! I played a Paragon-y Shepard with her as well and I liked it a lot. I'm not sure I'll ever see the Renegade path aside from Youtube, because I can't imagine her with another Shepard of mine... but who knows, maybe someday far in the future! I played a Paragade in general in the run where I romanced her, so it was quite easy for him to accept what Jack had done. He was no saint either, haha. I also like you can set her on a better path. I can get behind that. My first run of a BW game is generally how I'd react most of the time, even though I don't create protags in my image (would be hard to because I prefer to play male first, but I'm female ). But once I played it like this I enjoy the aspect of playing a role that is very different from me. And yeah, I agree. All romances can be fun, it's not like I play myself in some of them, so it's not a big deal to go through with any one of those. In fact I'm currently working on seeing each romance at least once with various Sheps. It's been great so far! Well that makes sense then. Though I do appreciate that you accept that Shepard can die and aren't like the umpteenth ME fans who wants a happy ending with their Shepard and their romance. Yup, Paragon Shepard just seems to fit right with Jack more than anything. Plus, I love the ways she responds to certain Paragon lines. I believe one of them right after her loyalty mission is particularly good because she sounded so sincere. And I generally play a paragade simply because many Renegade options are simply too appropriate not to pick. Plus, pure paragon Shepard comes off as a wuss anyway. But dunno, my Shep based on me is a paragade, but even then I wouldn't be able to overlook Jack's past. So, you generally don't create a female character based on yourself and play through the game based on choices you would make? Or romances even? And don't get me wrong, I like playing femshep as well (even if some of the voice acting can be off putting at times) for a different perspective. I enjoy being a director of sorts when I play as her. Though I'm not as crazy about doing the romances as female character. Though i have done Kaidan and Thane's. Both were excellent.
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Post by fraggle on Jul 18, 2017 10:26:55 GMT
Yup, Paragon Shepard just seems to fit right with Jack more than anything. Plus, I love the ways she responds to certain Paragon lines. I believe one of them right after her loyalty mission is particularly good because she sounded so sincere. And I generally play a paragade simply because many Renegade options are simply too appropriate not to pick. Plus, pure paragon Shepard comes off as a wuss anyway. But dunno, my Shep based on me is a paragade, but even then I wouldn't be able to overlook Jack's past. So, you generally don't create a female character based on yourself and play through the game based on choices you would make? Or romances even? And don't get me wrong, I like playing femshep as well (even if some of the voice acting can be off putting at times) for a different perspective. I enjoy being a director of sorts when I play as her. Though I'm not as crazy about doing the romances as female character. Though i have done Kaidan and Thane's. Both were excellent. I agree wholeheartedly about the Paragon lines, even though I like some of the neutral a lot as well. And I also love playing Paragade, it's great fun to mix things up. My Shepard was a flirty ladies' man with a big mouth, so Renegade could be hilarious at times, especially in ME1. He romanced Ashley for sex in ME1, then fell hard for Jack and stayed with her, it was pretty cool to see him get attached to someone so much. Like I said, I can get why you can't look past Jack's past, that's totally natural. But also like you said, you have to possibility to control a different character from you that could do just that and simply enjoy the romance that way No, I don't fully play myself in games, but in the first run of a new game I often pick choices according to how I would in real life, and I usually romance the person that's most interesting to me/I like most. I love playing both male and femShep (including romances for each) since I can play so many different characters with those that they offer a different perspective each time, like you also said. And a director of sorts sounds really fitting, heh.
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Post by obbie1984 on Jul 19, 2017 6:00:36 GMT
Yup, Paragon Shepard just seems to fit right with Jack more than anything. Plus, I love the ways she responds to certain Paragon lines. I believe one of them right after her loyalty mission is particularly good because she sounded so sincere. And I generally play a paragade simply because many Renegade options are simply too appropriate not to pick. Plus, pure paragon Shepard comes off as a wuss anyway. But dunno, my Shep based on me is a paragade, but even then I wouldn't be able to overlook Jack's past. So, you generally don't create a female character based on yourself and play through the game based on choices you would make? Or romances even? And don't get me wrong, I like playing femshep as well (even if some of the voice acting can be off putting at times) for a different perspective. I enjoy being a director of sorts when I play as her. Though I'm not as crazy about doing the romances as female character. Though i have done Kaidan and Thane's. Both were excellent. I agree wholeheartedly about the Paragon lines, even though I like some of the neutral a lot as well. And I also love playing Paragade, it's great fun to mix things up. My Shepard was a flirty ladies' man with a big mouth, so Renegade could be hilarious at times, especially in ME1. He romanced Ashley for sex in ME1, then fell hard for Jack and stayed with her, it was pretty cool to see him get attached to someone so much. Like I said, I can get why you can't look past Jack's past, that's totally natural. But also like you said, you have to possibility to control a different character from you that could do just that and simply enjoy the romance that way No, I don't fully play myself in games, but in the first run of a new game I often pick choices according to how I would in real life, and I usually romance the person that's most interesting to me/I like most. I love playing both male and femShep (including romances for each) since I can play so many different characters with those that they offer a different perspective each time, like you also said. And a director of sorts sounds really fitting, heh. Oh wait, I think you might be right. I think one of the neutral lines right after Jack's loyalty mission might have been the one I was thinking of. I had never chosen that line until recently and was impressed with how sincere Jack was in that delivery. And that's what's great about this series. There are so many different ways you can role play your Shepard. And I have a total of four male Shepards. Three of them bear some likeness to me and one of them actually romanced Jack (though all three of them wish Kasumi could be romanced ). Only the fourth one is unlike me because I'm making him a complete and utter jerk. I plan for him to use Jack for sex and then let her get killed in ME2 for instance. However, I feel the least attached to that character and I do not look forward to playing him so I am still on ME1 for that run. Oh alright. But you did mention you play male first and make the choices you would make correct? But yes, I agree that both are fun to play and getting a new perspective for each is great. For instance, I tend to play my femsheps so that they don't care for Jack's crap and they tell her where she can shove it. Where as I tend to play my broshep more sympathetic towards Jack. Its interesting the number of possibilities you can create as the director of your own game.
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For me, when it comes to role playing, my Shepard is worse. Much like her, he doesn't care about what she's done in the past, only how she treats him.
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So you know how her alternate costume has that god awful visor? Well look what I found. Be gone Satan! Found that recently and remembered a lot of people bitching about the visor on the old forum so I figured I'd do my good deed for the year. Oh, and as penance for double posting:
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I've not done her romance, but I think Jack's visual design is excellent (and no, not because she's half naked!) - I think she's arguably one of the most convincing-looking humans in the trilogy.
Now, what I really like about her though is that voice. I could listen to her talk all day.
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Really? I like Jack. Really, I do, and I think she grows into an incredible woman in ME3. I just don't think she makes any kind of sense from a visual perspective. The outfit has to be the least useful one in the entire series. I would think the inmates of Purgatory would have uniforms so, again, what she wears makes little sense. (Though it's arguable she was wearing that outfit when captured and they didn't bother changing her clothes before placing her in stasis.)
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Post by JayKay on Oct 31, 2017 23:39:40 GMT
On Shepard's treatment of Jack -- my canon Shepard didn't romance her and I haven't done one with her yet, but in regards to her past, my Shepard, when he looks objectively, sees a lot of parallels with himself and her, with the choices he had to make and the people he had to side with on Earth. He found a way out, a way to be a better person, and wanted to help get her to a similar place. Now, what I really like about her though is that voice. I could listen to her talk all day. If you haven't played Fallout 4, or at least not done a run with a female Sole Survivor, you really should, since Courtney Woods voices her as well. Really? I like Jack. Really, I do, and I think she grows into an incredible woman in ME3. I just don't think she makes any kind of sense from a visual perspective. The outfit has to be the least useful one in the entire series. I would think the inmates of Purgatory would have uniforms so, again, what she wears makes little sense. (Though it's arguable she was wearing that outfit when captured and they didn't bother changing her clothes before placing her in stasis.) I understand what you mean, but...for me that doesn't make it less cool. I think the idea that they were going with for her look was two-fold: it showed off her biotic prowess in that her barriers were so strong she didn't even need armor, and as dramatic irony in that the person who exposes the most skin is actually one of if not the most closed-off of all the characters. Anyway, some fan-art! (Source)
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Post by JayKay on Nov 17, 2017 4:28:32 GMT
* Starts out bald ✅ * Can move things with their mind ✅ * Horrifically abused by shady government agency ✅ And that's just the stuff I feel safe saying without spoiling things. Yep, I can definitely see the parallel. (Source)
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Post by stanhope on Jan 15, 2018 23:59:30 GMT
* Starts out bald ✅ * Can move things with their mind ✅ * Horrifically abused by shady government agency ✅ And that's just the stuff I feel safe saying without spoiling things. Yep, I can definitely see the parallel. (Source)Subject Eleven is pretty lucky that she found a great support group. She could have easily spiralled into another Jack if she went around taking revenge on the people who abused her. That's actually one of the side-stories in Season 2. Anyway, this is my first time posting anything in this forum and I'm really amazed by the insights all about Jack. You guys are such an intelligent bunch, seriously. Story time! The FIRST time I saw Jack, I just wanted to know ALL OF HER. I guess it was love at first sight That was during a time when I was rejected by a romanced Ashley. I didn't hate Ashley for what she did, because she always struck me as the stubborn type who hates Cerberus. Still, I was pretty bummed out and lonely after that. Fast forward up to Jack's loyalty mission and I'm hooked with her, and I've put away the Ashley photograph in my room, great attention to detail there Bioware. And yeah, I was mostly paragon in my approach to her. She just felt so real. Courtenay Taylor, thank you for breathing life into Jack, I don't think anyone else could have pulled it off as well as you. The highlights of the Jack romance is definitely the scene where she cries, and the tattoo scene in Citadel DLC. When she cried, that was the moment I knew, she is worth it. Whatever happens in the suicide mission, I wasn't gonna let Jack die. Ok, Tali died and it was horrible so I went backwards just to save her. Jack made me want to do things I didn't think I could possibly want. Get a tattoo, the same one she puts on Shepard's back on the Citadel DLC, and write fanfiction. I'm glad to say that my first fanfic is all about Jack x Male Shepard. I dunno if I should post it here but I probably would on a separate post. It's still in its' infancy so not a lot to read yet. I'm tempted to say that I want a real Jack in real life, but she'll probably tear my head off
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