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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 30, 2018 20:17:27 GMT
Looks like we're going to need a Ryder/Other runoff, as expected. New thread for a new poll?
I'm going to say that though I really do want to see the continued adventures of Ryder, I suspect it won't happen. BW has already washed its hands of MEA. The lack of DLC is all the evidence we need. It's sort of sad. If it has to be that way, I hope they manage to wrap MEA into whatever is coming next.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 20:22:57 GMT
Looks like we're going to need a Ryder/Other runoff, as expected. I vote for no new polls on the matter. Let's just wait to see what Bioware actually does. According to Casey, they're at least intending to still do something with the franchise.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 1, 2018 5:16:15 GMT
Looks like we're going to need a Ryder/Other runoff, as expected. I vote for no new polls on the matter. Let's just wait to see what Bioware actually does. According to Casey, they're at least intending to still do something with the franchise. We could do 50 new polls before they say anything concrete about a new ME game. We may as well spend our time in idle speculation, especially since my time won't be taken up with Anthem.
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Post by cloud9 on Dec 1, 2018 5:56:25 GMT
Can my Protag Lift? That's all that really matters. I want every power available from ME1-3 back in the game. If the Andromekiddies want their Barricade, fine. All the powers, all the races, or no buy. BioWare's too damn lazy to give us options to play multiple species. I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Post by 10k on Dec 1, 2018 5:58:50 GMT
Still more people would rather not play ryder; be it another game with Shepard or a different protagonist. 28 people overall do not want to play ryder.
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Post by cloud9 on Dec 1, 2018 6:02:57 GMT
Still more people would rather not play ryder; be it another game with Shepard or a different protagonist. 28 people overall do not want to play ryder. Hell, most people outside the fan forum do not want another Andromeda. Especially playing Ryder again. That would be a hell naw!
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 1, 2018 9:13:40 GMT
Still more people would rather not play ryder; be it another game with Shepard or a different protagonist. 28 people overall do not want to play ryder. Even more people would rather not play Other. And Shepard's more unpopular than that. So what's your point? (Not having something be your favorite option isn't at all the same thing as not wanting to play that option at all, of course. but it's your rhetoric; I'm just playing along.)
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Post by 10k on Dec 1, 2018 15:22:28 GMT
Hell, most people outside the fan forum do not want another Andromeda. Especially playing Ryder again. That would be a hell naw! Yeah I know. This forum has always been bias. There's only a hand full of people here who will admit how flawed Andromeda was. Most people here think Andromeda is the best thing since sliced bread, that's why I really don't hang around here much anymore. There's not much to discuss. I like to pop in every once in a while and stir things up, because people get so defensive of Ryder and Andromeda around here. Hell that's how this thread was made lol. Because I said in another thread that more people would rather not see Ryder in the next game. Real talk I know there will not be another game with Shepard. BW will either go the remaster route with the OT or have Andromeda 2 with or without Ryder. They're not touching those endings. Truly, I don't care either way. After what happened with Andromeda; I think ME is dead, and whatever new game that comes after will be an imposter walking around in the ME skin. We saw it with DA; though Inquisition story was more engaging than Andromeda's. As I see it the Lore of the game has been destroyed (though that began with ME2), there are no more interesting characters, and Andromeda was dull.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Dec 1, 2018 18:07:35 GMT
I vote ryder. Their story needs to be finished. Agreed it does.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 22:21:04 GMT
Hell, most people outside the fan forum do not want another Andromeda. Especially playing Ryder again. That would be a hell naw! Yeah I know. This forum has always been bias. There's only a hand full of people here who will admit how flawed Andromeda was. Most people here think Andromeda is the best thing since sliced bread, that's why I really don't hang around here much anymore. There's not much to discuss. I like to pop in every once in a while and stir things up, because people get so defensive of Ryder and Andromeda around here. Hell that's how this thread was made lol. Because I said in another thread that more people would rather not see Ryder in the next game. Real talk I know there will not be another game with Shepard. BW will either go the remaster route with the OT or have Andromeda 2 with or without Ryder. They're not touching those endings. Truly, I don't care either way. After what happened with Andromeda; I think ME is dead, and whatever new game that comes after will be an imposter walking around in the ME skin. We saw it with DA; though Inquisition story was more engaging than Andromeda's. As I see it the Lore of the game has been destroyed (though that began with ME2), there are no more interesting characters, and Andromeda was dull. IJust like some people on this forum would never admit that ME1 has serious flaws and, even after so many years, continually put up statements about it being so good that are exaggerated to the point of being factually false. There are several points of lore that are already inconsistent within ME1 itself.
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Post by SwobyJ on Dec 1, 2018 23:10:55 GMT
More people would rather not have Ryder than have Ryder.
However, even more would be the same for Shepard, or Other.
What I read from all this is that at least within the enthusiast community, Ryder is the most desired, but is not popularly called for. This fits in with the rather common opinions that while Ryder isn't beloved, the story of MEA should continue, and one way is through keeping Ryder.
But outside of enthusiasts... MEA has the memes, the lols, the bashing, etc. It also has the people going blind into it and just enjoying it as a game, since they don't compare it to Mass Effect games. Neither of these common responses to MEA are particularly attached to Ryder, for good or bad. I don't see the haters particularly gloam onto Ryder as an abysmal character, but rather their animations or certain elements of writing or related roleplaying game design. I don't see the lovers create tons of fan appreciation media for Ryder either. Ryder is there, and kinda liked, or kinda disliked.
My opinion after this is that Bioware could indeed continue Ryder but do so without much attachment to how they were characterized in MEA. There's even more room to re-imagine the character than anything with the Shepard sequels. But Bioware also has more freedom to drop Ryder entirely, compared to the trilogy-constraint of Shepard. BUT also, people do majority expect some sort of continuation of what MEA set up, even more than the Trilogy case (as both ME1 and ME2 barely did teasing of exact matters coming into the next game, other than REAPERSZ R COMIN), so that has to be handled somewhere. This doesn't necessarily need Ryder, but there is a call for it.
I think they could get away with a new protag but with Ryder involvement in plot. I wouldn't vote for it, but I think that's an option that satisfies both worlds enough.
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Post by 10k on Dec 2, 2018 0:42:10 GMT
IJust like some people on this forum would never admit that ME1 has serious flaws and, even after so many years, continually put up statements about it being so good that are exaggerated to the point of being factually false. There are several points of lore that are already inconsistent within ME1 itself. Okay I didn't say anything about ME1, So what's your point? Yes ME1 has flaws, no one denies that, but it set the foundation of the series and that's why so many like it. I only mentioned that flaws began with ME2, which they did. Major inconsistencies with the story began in ME2 that really weren't in ME1. That's why people argue that ME2 could be a standalone instead of part of the series. Personally ME2 is my favorite, so it doesn't matter.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 2, 2018 1:29:57 GMT
I think they could get away with a new protag but with Ryder involvement in plot. I wouldn't vote for it, but I think that's an option that satisfies both worlds enough. Bioware has ruined every protagonist they have done this with so far. I don't want to add Ryder to that list.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 2, 2018 2:58:24 GMT
IJust like some people on this forum would never admit that ME1 has serious flaws and, even after so many years, continually put up statements about it being so good that are exaggerated to the point of being factually false. There are several points of lore that are already inconsistent within ME1 itself. Okay I didn't say anything about ME1, So what's your point? Yes ME1 has flaws, no one denies that, but it set the foundation of the series and that's why so many like it. I only mentioned that flaws began with ME2, which they did. Major inconsistencies with the story began in ME2 that really weren't in ME1. That's why people argue that ME2 could be a standalone instead of part of the series. Personally ME2 is my favorite, so it doesn't matter. If ME1 had flaws, then how do flaws begin with ME2?
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Post by 10k on Dec 2, 2018 3:06:48 GMT
Okay I didn't say anything about ME1, So what's your point? Yes ME1 has flaws, no one denies that, but it set the foundation of the series and that's why so many like it. I only mentioned that flaws began with ME2, which they did. Major inconsistencies with the story began in ME2 that really weren't in ME1. That's why people argue that ME2 could be a standalone instead of part of the series. Personally ME2 is my favorite, so it doesn't matter. If ME1 had flaws, then how do flaws begin with ME2? I was talking about major inconsistencies with the overall story, which I stated. ME1 and ME3 didn't have these inconsistencies because they followed the overall reaper invasion plot. Whereas ME2 focused on the collectors (gosh I didn't think I would have to spell that major flaw out). Please read next time. Thank you for your response. Edit: I also stated that ME1 did have flaws, SO AGAIN PLEASE REEEEEAAAADDD!!!! thanks for your response.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 2, 2018 5:10:25 GMT
Yeah I know. This forum has always been bias. There's only a hand full of people here who will admit how flawed Andromeda was. Most people here think Andromeda is the best thing since sliced bread, that's why I really don't hang around here much anymore. There's not much to discuss. I like to pop in every once in a while and stir things up, because people get so defensive of Ryder and Andromeda around here. Hell that's how this thread was made lol. Because I said in another thread that more people would rather not see Ryder in the next game. Real talk I know there will not be another game with Shepard. BW will either go the remaster route with the OT or have Andromeda 2 with or without Ryder. They're not touching those endings. Truly, I don't care either way. After what happened with Andromeda; I think ME is dead, and whatever new game that comes after will be an imposter walking around in the ME skin. We saw it with DA; though Inquisition story was more engaging than Andromeda's. As I see it the Lore of the game has been destroyed (though that began with ME2), there are no more interesting characters, and Andromeda was dull. IJust like some people on this forum would never admit that ME1 has serious flaws and, even after so many years, continually put up statements about it being so good that are exaggerated to the point of being factually false. There are several points of lore that are already inconsistent within ME1 itself. And I'm also very quick to point out how lore-breaking things are between ME1 and ME2. All of the games have had some serious flaws. They just happened before memes were a thing.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 2, 2018 6:28:16 GMT
If ME1 had flaws, then how do flaws begin with ME2? I was talking about major inconsistencies with the overall story, which I stated. ME1 and ME3 didn't have these inconsistencies because they followed the overall reaper invasion plot. Whereas ME2 focused on the collectors (gosh I didn't think I would have to spell that major flaw out). Please read next time. Thank you for your response. Edit: I also stated that ME1 did have flaws, SO AGAIN PLEASE REEEEEAAAADDD!!!! thanks for your response. Just pointing out that your language was amusingly sloppy. You didn't actually mean that "flaws began with ME2, which they did," so why'd you say it? (If you're going to make a fuss over consistency, shouldn't you use "flaws" consistently?)
As for the substance, I don't see how ME2's flaws are different from ME1's in kind. (I'll put the ridiculous sequencing of Tali's voice recording and the incoherent behavior of Benezia's forces on Noveria up against anything that ME2 did wrong.) If anything, the later games suffer from trying to cash the checks that ME1 wrote, only to find that there was never anything in the account. While ME2 and ME3 can't make the Reapers make sense, it's not their fault that ME1 stuck them with an insoluble problem.
This never actually bothered me, mind. I've been in the "Mass Effect is trashy nonsensical fun" camp since forever.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 11:44:41 GMT
If ME1 had flaws, then how do flaws begin with ME2? I was talking about major inconsistencies with the overall story, which I stated. ME1 and ME3 didn't have these inconsistencies because they followed the overall reaper invasion plot. Whereas ME2 focused on the collectors (gosh I didn't think I would have to spell that major flaw out). Please read next time. Thank you for your response. Edit: I also stated that ME1 did have flaws, SO AGAIN PLEASE REEEEEAAAADDD!!!! thanks for your response. What I'm talking about is how people who dislike ME:A can continually state that people who defend it don't see the flaws within it and, to quote you directly, think "it's the greatest thing since sliced bread" and yet you yourself get upset when it's pointed out to you that you're not owning up to the flaws in ME1 and you start these sorts of mocking attacks that I will, right now just repeat.
PLEASE READ.
I assure you, I am well aware the ME:A has flaws. I intercede when statements about those flaws are inordinately exaggerated to the point of being false. I also intercede (and this is more frequent) when I see statements about ME being so good that are also exaggerated to the point of being false. The flaws in the franchise did not "begin with ME1." It you didn't mean, it's simple, don't say it.
I also agree with alanc9 , the break away from the main story in ME2 (which is, IMO, it's biggest flaw) occurred because ME1 left us with no clear vision of what the Reapers were. In addition, it left us with a confused idea of them shutting themselves down in dark space for 50,000 years at a time and the notion of the division between dark space and galactic space being some sort of impenetrable wall (much like people believed the sound barrier was such a wall for so long). Not enough planning was done in ME1 to carry the story forward as a logical trilogy. Also, it's likely that Bioware just had an idea for a great game (based, most likely, on The Dirty Dozen, which was a great film). It worked and ME2's SM is still my favorite mission of all time. Despite it's many flaws, it's a great game. With Andromeda, despite it's flaws, it's a game I still find very much fun to play. I still believe the story has a lot of potential to grow into something amazing and, I have hopes that Bioware had/have planned forward for a series such that they would not repeat the same sort of "mistake" by diverting to a different story with ME:A2. I see the pressure for them to abandon Ryder and abandoned the Andromeda Galaxy at this point in time as merely encouraging them to make that same mistake and we'll end up with a ME:A2 that does not advance the story of ME:A1 properly.
So, I'll state my opinion again: Bioware should continue with whatever plan they had made for the franchise when they decided to start writing ME:A in the first place. They clearly chose not to go with a rewrite of ME3's endings. They clearly chose to go forward in such a way that all the endings to ME3 remained possible occurrences in the Milky Way. They intentionally advanced the timeline 600 years. The should continue taking us on the journey they chose to start us along. Well get, IMO, a much more cohesive story if we just be a little patient and let them continue to reveal it to us as THEY planned.
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Post by 10k on Dec 2, 2018 17:05:02 GMT
Just pointing out that your language was amusingly sloppy. You didn't actually mean that "flaws began with ME2, which they did," so why'd you say it? (If you're going to make a fuss over consistency, shouldn't you use "flaws" consistently?)
As for the substance, I don't see how ME2's flaws are different from ME1's in kind. (I'll put the ridiculous sequencing of Tali's voice recording and the incoherent behavior of Benezia's forces on Noveria up against anything that ME2 did wrong.) If anything, the later games suffer from trying to cash the checks that ME1 wrote, only to find that there was never anything in the account. While ME2 and ME3 can't make the Reapers make sense, it's not their fault that ME1 stuck them with an insoluble problem.
This never actually bothered me, mind. I've been in the "Mass Effect is trashy nonsensical fun" camp since forever.See and you obviously didn't comprehend yet again. Like I said I was talking about the major story inconsistencies. So yes I stand behind what I said the first time: Flaws did start in ME2. Yes ME1 has flaws, I didn't deny that. The point is I wasn't talking about the small things like tali's incoherent behavior, all games have small flaws like that, which aren't even worth mentioning. But I was talking about the overall story arch, which you still fail to comprehend, and began spouting off about flaws that has nothing to do with the overall reaper invasion plotline that ME2 did not follow. What's amusing is your lack of reading comprehension. So please read next time, and thank you for your response!! Edit: When I had specifically stated I was talking about Major story inconsistencies, it is accurate to also state that those flaws did began with ME2. Given that I had provided the parameters in which I was speaking to.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 2, 2018 17:12:45 GMT
Guys, just ignore 10k. He's either being a troll and/or an ass at this point so no reason to keep feeding him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 17:17:43 GMT
Guys, just ignore 10k. He's either being a troll and/or an ass at this point so no reason to keep feeding him. He's just in denial is all. No worries. I've said what I have to say on this anyways. My preference is Ryder, but my hope is that they just ignore everyone and do whatever they originally planned for the franchise.
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Post by 10k on Dec 2, 2018 17:19:01 GMT
Guys, just ignore 10k. He's either being a troll and/or an ass at this point so no reason to keep feeding him. Yeah because when you disagree with someone it's trolling lol
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Post by 10k on Dec 2, 2018 17:19:21 GMT
Guys, just ignore 10k. He's either being a troll and/or an ass at this point so no reason to keep feeding him. He's just in denial is all. No worries. In denial of what?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 2, 2018 17:20:14 GMT
Guys, just ignore 10k. He's either being a troll and/or an ass at this point so no reason to keep feeding him. Yeah because when you disagree with someone it's trolling lol No, but repeatedly personally insulting other posters is.
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Post by 10k on Dec 2, 2018 17:28:45 GMT
Yeah because when you disagree with someone it's trolling lol No, but repeatedly personally insulting other posters is. Yeah like, no one has insulted me. I'm just the only one lol. Edit: "your language is amusingly sloppy" I think that is an insult that was directed at me. And all I said was please read, and thank you for your response. How did I insult anyone? Also Let's not forget these people respond to me first when I was obviously talking to someone else. If I'm a troll you guys are trolls also.
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