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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 5, 2019 0:32:36 GMT
But most on a BIOWARE FAN FORUM don't want this prick. That says a lot. If the majority of Bioware hardcore fans don't want this worthless protagonist, then they should really dump it. It's time to face reality. Um there are plenty that do. Those plenty shouldn't be listened to. Listening to these people would lead Bioware to close.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 5, 2019 0:59:08 GMT
Um there are plenty that do. Those plenty shouldn't be listened to. Listening to these people would lead Bioware to close. So shut down people who don’t agree with you?
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 5, 2019 1:25:23 GMT
Those plenty shouldn't be listened to. Listening to these people would lead Bioware to close. So shut down people who don’t agree with you? Yeah yeah, continue with these crappy dishonest arguments.
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Post by griffith82 on Mar 5, 2019 1:45:03 GMT
Um there are plenty that do. Those plenty shouldn't be listened to. Listening to these people would lead Bioware to close. No pandering to the loud few would.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 5, 2019 1:47:47 GMT
Those plenty shouldn't be listened to. Listening to these people would lead Bioware to close. No pandering to the loud few would. Yeah, and the people who want Ryder are actually the few
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Post by griffith82 on Mar 5, 2019 1:52:17 GMT
No pandering to the loud few would. Yeah, and the people who want Ryder are actually the few Not from where I sit. I've seen plenty who want Ryder. You dont fine that doesn't make your opinion the only one that counts.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 5, 2019 1:54:19 GMT
Yeah, and the people who want Ryder are actually the few Not from where I sit. I've seen plenty who want Ryder. You dont fine that doesn't make your opinion the only one that counts. Anedothical evidence is becoming pathetic already. "I've seen plenty who say the Earth is flat, it doesn't make your opinion that it is a globe the only one that counts".
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Mar 5, 2019 14:57:14 GMT
Tbh if that poll was official on their twitter accounts, shepard would have won with ryder being 2nd or even third. Same with the new protagonist...
Speaking realistically people that don't like it are more, doesn't mean those who like it are few though. It kinda feels like a middle ground, but I'm not sure.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 5, 2019 15:44:59 GMT
The games popularity was fairly weak. And it wasn’t gameplay people were complaining about. So yeah, most likely if the poll somehow hit enough of a group of fans to be meaningful, odds are Ryder would get stomped. It’s just a reality people weren’t thrilled with the game overall and they actually liked the gameplay. It was the story and characters drawing complaints in reviews and commentary. Most likely a good poll about the next protagonist would reflect that.
There is no way to prove it. But there is a reason support was cut for the game so soon and again the complaints were mostly about the characters.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 5, 2019 15:46:16 GMT
Tbh if that poll was official on their twitter accounts, shepard would have won with ryder being 2nd or even third. Same with the new protagonist... Speaking realistically people that don't like it are more, doesn't mean those who like it are few though. It kinda feels like a middle ground, but I'm not sure. The only ones I actually see wanting Ryder are fanboys. I bet if most people could choose, the majority wouldn't even want the next game to be in Andromeda galaxy. For one simple reason: Players in general didn't like the game But obviously they wouldn't make such a poll on their twitter accounts, it would humiliate those that worked at Andromeda.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 5, 2019 18:40:15 GMT
Not everyone who wants Ryder is a blind fanboy. They’re just as many people who genuinely want to see Ryder’s story unfold.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 5, 2019 19:43:07 GMT
Hopefully Bioware will release a book telling the story then, if that's all you want.
The kind of peole that like Ryder are the same kind that go cry to a mod about being "insulted" because someone told you're no worth discussing with. Heh. Says a lot.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 5, 2019 19:46:39 GMT
Dude I agree with you about getting rid of Ryder but constantly snark doesn’t make the argument look better.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 5, 2019 19:49:42 GMT
Dude I agree with you about getting rid of Ryder but constantly snark doesn’t make the argument look better. The snark was more personal than anything. Guy reported my post saying I insulted him when I said it was worthless discussing with him. Pathetic, really. They can't win an argument, so they start reporting posts for nothing. Worse thing is mods giving ears to this.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 5, 2019 20:04:02 GMT
Hopefully Bioware will release a book telling the story then, if that's all you want. The kind of peole that like Ryder are the same kind that go cry to a mod about being "insulted" because someone told you're no worth discussing with. Heh. Says a lot. What is your problem? If anything right now you are the one who’s taking this personally associating people who want Ryder as being a fanboy.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 5, 2019 20:13:10 GMT
Hopefully Bioware will release a book telling the story then, if that's all you want. The kind of peole that like Ryder are the same kind that go cry to a mod about being "insulted" because someone told you're no worth discussing with. Heh. Says a lot. What is your problem? If anything right now you are the one who’s taking this personally associating people who want Ryder as being a fanboy. I took this personaly when the kid reported the post for no reason. But that's enough of it, before the thread gets out of hand I didn't say everyone that wants Ryder is a fanboy, but the ones I SEE asking for Ryder are.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Mar 5, 2019 20:20:36 GMT
A couple of posts have been removed for including (or quoting) a personal attack.
Get it back on topic and keep the insults - poorly veiled or otherwise - out of it.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 5, 2019 20:21:48 GMT
Right So Ryder is the way to go!
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 5, 2019 20:23:15 GMT
Meanwhile even on a Bioware fan forum, people still don't want Ryder, says research.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 6, 2019 16:22:00 GMT
Hopefully Bioware will release a book telling the story then, if that's all you want. The kind of peole that like Ryder are the same kind that go cry to a mod about being "insulted" because someone told you're no worth discussing with. Heh. Says a lot. Meanwhile, you're the one being insulting to people. I like Ryder and not cry to mods about anything. If that was the case to be made, you've now lost.
It's clear to me that BW was intentionally distancing itself from the MET. Whatever happened in the MW, humanity (and other races) get a fresh start. That's why the tone was lighter. It boggles the mind that it isn't overwhelmingly obvious. You don't like it? Oh, well.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 6, 2019 16:26:34 GMT
Hopefully Bioware will release a book telling the story then, if that's all you want. The kind of peole that like Ryder are the same kind that go cry to a mod about being "insulted" because someone told you're no worth discussing with. Heh. Says a lot. Meanwhile, you're the one being insulting to people. I like Ryder and not cry to mods about anything. If that was the case to be made, you've now lost.
It's clear to me that BW was intentionally distancing itself from the MET. Whatever happened in the MW, humanity (and other races) get a fresh start. That's why the tone was lighter. It boggles the mind that it isn't overwhelmingly obvious. You don't like it? Oh, well.
Not only me that didn't like it, I'd say
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Post by feuerrabe on Mar 6, 2019 17:15:18 GMT
I would very much like to hear some more discussion for characters that you might like, in case that the next Mass Effect was indeed to play out in the Milky. Like I have said before, personally I would prefer a successor of Andromeda and therefore Ryder as protagonist. However, that must not stop us from discussing other options. Personally I've suggested: ... which is not to say that a new protagonist must be an existing character. I can imagine that many players would like a character that is pretty much like Shepard, without technically being Shepard, even though I haven't read anyone write that yet.
Asside from that I would like to hear some more opinions on what the proper balance between customisability, design effort and NPC awareness of the various background should be.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 6, 2019 17:30:56 GMT
I said in another thread, but I would actually love a new ME where there is a cult about Shepard and end up actually resurrecting him/her, and he/she ends up being an Evil Shepard, and your character has the objetive of destroying this cult and the last boss being actually... Shepard.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 6, 2019 17:47:10 GMT
I would very much like to hear some more discussion for characters that you might like, in case that the next Mass Effect was indeed to play out in the Milky. Like I have said before, personally I would prefer a successor of Andromeda and therefore Ryder as protagonist. However, that must not stop us from discussing other options. Personally I've suggested: ... which is not to say that a new protagonist must be an existing character. I can imagine that many players would like a character that is pretty much like Shepard, without technically being Shepard, even though I haven't read anyone write that yet.
Asside from that I would like to hear some more opinions on what the proper balance between customisability, design effort and NPC awareness of the various background should be.
I think a existing character would be a mistake. It sets too many things in stone, like gender, appearance, skills that would typically me up to be modified by the player.
I'm not looking for Shepard, I'd be fine with a non bad ass. Just want someone who comes across as assertive, whose tone isn't jokes constantly even when i hit professional or logical. I actually would like a private eye or cop story set in a mass effect setting, hard to pull of in Andromeda without a time jump since it was a nothing cluster. Here lets fly to their capital city of tiny town. And the angara suck so without a big enough time jump where the place is significantly populated by MW people or we are visiting other clusters where we get to see more races it might fall flat. They basically need omega or illium style planets for more diverse stories.
As for NPC awareness, unless you are famous why should anyone know about your background. Maybe a couple characters here and there who can make a few comments, but let customization flow. Maybe one off comments for actions that reflect your abilities, like if you have a tech interrupt let someone comment on your tech skills.
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Post by feuerrabe on Mar 6, 2019 18:58:09 GMT
I don't necessarily think that an existing character must look any more like the original than Shepard like the default. If that means you basically just retconned the character (and in Oriana's case also Miranda)... well, that's the player's choice. I definitely would. Particular quirks you can't change of course. Having a green skin, instead of blue like all other Asari, is kinda Shiala's thing. Thus, folks might change the shade of green if they like, including shades the go a little into yellow or turquis, but only shades that may meaningfully be referred to as "green" by NPCs. All the characters could have something special about them; In the example above: Shiala has the ability to create mental links to others that are close to her via the Thorian spores and give the player the ability to control team mates directly (even though it supposedly isn't mind control, but an empathic ability to and tight communication with a willing subject). Feron has a photographic memory, which enables him to pause the game during combat and get a tactical overview with the position of all enemies that he ever glimpsed, if only out of the corner of an eye. Oriana has either an aiming assistance or a time delay as a result of her genetical enhancements; her reflexes and hand-eye-coordination are super human. We know for a fact that Feron knows the Shadow Broker and that Oriana was at least monitored by her (and is smart enough to figure that out eventually), especially given that Liara might want her to, or help on Oriana's dissertation. I imagine four or six characters to pick from, an each with implied background and gender and slight deviations in the way that NPCs regard them, similar to faction mission the MMO "Star Wars: The Old Republic" (not to be confused with Knights of the Old Republic). A detective setting would actually be pretty cool, I'd assume the various characters have their own 15 minute introduction and tutorial misison, similar to Dragon Age: Origins. That doesn't necessarily mean that using existing characters is the best solution, however, it does make it easier to make sure everyone understands what I am talking about. The problems that remain are that it is something limiting in character creation and at the same time increases the development effort. On top of that, I think it would be cool if there was one, and only one, character from Shepard's inner circle as mentor or contact, similar to Anderson in Mass Effect. Preferably someone relatively ageless such as EDI, Liara or Wrex.
As far as your judgement of Ryder goes: Ryder's changes to throughout the story. While it is true that Ryder veils his or her insecurity behind casual remarks at the beginning of the story, Ryder does earn the respect of others and changes greatly in tone throughout the story. That is why I am somewhat frustrated with this constant criticism of Ryder, that judges the character only by the initial situation and fails to recognise that there is a development.
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