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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 30, 2019 17:24:33 GMT
Where's the bottom red stripe? Well it's not behind the curvature of the Earth, because there can't be two of them (one higher in front of boat, and one lower behind and obscuring bottom half of boat). dmc1001 Well then lets get back to the facts and work forward. You like to start with the presupposition that it's too big of a conspiracy and work backward from this assertion. This is fallacious reasoning.
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Post by Chenowl Blanc on Jan 30, 2019 17:48:46 GMT
Come on now. Please stop spreading pictures with "quotes" from historical persons without proper research, just because you found them somewhere and they support your cause. Why that picture is just plainly wrong.Owl, nice to still see you around. Yes, aware of the misquotes going on around, especially with Hitler and history in general. Very hard to prove history, but it's the msg of the quote I'm after. Well, you should know that I have a thing for debunking misconceptions. I hope you see the irony in your statement. You are aware of misinformation on the net, yet you spread it further in order to make a point? If it's the message you're after, why not stating your opinion without employing the same methods you usually condemn?
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 30, 2019 18:23:36 GMT
Owl, nice to still see you around. Yes, aware of the misquotes going on around, especially with Hitler and history in general. Very hard to prove history, but it's the msg of the quote I'm after. Well, you should know that I have a thing for debunking misconceptions. I hope you see the irony in your statement. You are aware of misinformation on the net, yet you spread it further in order to make a point? If it's the message you're after, why not stating your opinion without employing the same methods you usually condemn? Don't recall you debunk any of the flat Earth claims made in this thread. Maybe you can start with this National Geographic boats over curvature issue;
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 30, 2019 18:33:29 GMT
Received a download code to watch the new flat Earth hit piece documentary 'Behind the Curve.' So been watching some video responses to it, including from the Flat Earthers that stared in it. But just now started watching this video from Ph.D. in social anthropology Rodrigo Ferrari-Nunes and had to timestamp here to grab the quote bellow. "This culture of science that we see reflected in Behind the Curve is very self absorbed and arrogant because the critical way out has been blocked with a child like dependency on experts and the cult of authority. The experts repeat that mantra that experts should be trusted just because they are experts. They force their hand claiming that flat Earthers trust nothing and nobody confusing a slogan with what actually happens. This demonstrates the dangers of being mislead by generalities and forgetting the details which is a major theme underlying Behind the Curve."
"For instance, Mark Sargent has received dozens of expert testimonies from highly skilled people who began questioning space. There are many technical issues involving the vacuum of space suits, thousand of seals in the International Space Station and other issues in which flat Earther trust the authorities of an expert. In the case of valves the ISO linked ISS, the expert noted that there are only a few components in the world that manufactured valves and seals for submarines, yet the ISS does not follow any of the standard submarines follow. In fact there's a detailed and complex line of comparative analysis to be drawn between submarines and the ISS that escaped completely the attention Behind the Curves producers."
"Yet it is clear that science is mostly a tool of corporate capitalism and politics. In other words, there is no science free from cultural and political biases. The audience that Behind the Curve targets has not yet realized that science has many problems and is just another human enterprise. When the expert they present, the science writer Tim Urban, believes in the fairy tale of a science without motive. Holding such a point of view is only feasible for people who are extremely naive regarding human motives and unaware of the history of fraud in science. They're also just as prone as being deceived as everyone else, especially in disciplines that enforce conformity and information regurgitation as career points."
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 30, 2019 18:41:47 GMT
"The experts repeat that mantra that experts should be trusted just because they are experts."
>claims appeal to authority on the opposing side
"For instance, Mark Sargent has received dozens of expert testimonies from highly skilled people who began questioning space. "
>commits a ridiculously blatant appeal to authority 2 seconds later
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 30, 2019 19:11:15 GMT
"The experts repeat that mantra that experts should be trusted just because they are experts." >claims appeal to authority on the opposing side "For instance, Mark Sargent has received dozens of expert testimonies from highly skilled people who began questioning space. " >commits a ridiculously blatant appeal to authority 2 seconds later You're generalizing this toward all flat Earthers. There's not much consensus among flat Earthers other then no signs of Earth curvature. Nice to see you back from the Anthem Demo good times. Was thinking for this upcoming open to public weekend that you, Space Cowboy , dmc1001 and I as the most prominent in this thread get together for a match or two.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jan 30, 2019 19:23:03 GMT
Sure, if I play. I could never leave Tarsis last weekend.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jan 30, 2019 20:17:52 GMT
One of the great things about the Anthem demo: You can actually fly to the edge of the world.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 30, 2019 20:18:36 GMT
"The experts repeat that mantra that experts should be trusted just because they are experts." >claims appeal to authority on the opposing side "For instance, Mark Sargent has received dozens of expert testimonies from highly skilled people who began questioning space. " >commits a ridiculously blatant appeal to authority 2 seconds later You're generalizing this toward all flat Earthers. There's not much consensus among flat Earthers other then no signs of Earth curvature. Nice to see you back from the Anthem Demo good times. Was thinking for this upcoming open to public weekend that you, Space Cowboy , dmc1001 and I as the most prominent in this thread get together for a match or two. I'm not generalizing towards anyone. I'm speaking specifically towards the person who wrote that. Yeah shoot the screennames in here once the demo is out, can def. run a stronghold or two.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 30, 2019 20:19:00 GMT
One of the great things about the Anthem demo: You can actually fly to the edge of the world. Yeah I search for the ice wall, couldn't find it.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 31, 2019 3:09:34 GMT
Well it's not behind the curvature of the Earth, because there can't be two of them (one higher in front of boat, and one lower behind and obscuring bottom half of boat). dmc1001 Well then lets get back to the facts and work forward. You like to start with the presupposition that it's too big of a conspiracy and work backward from this assertion. This is fallacious reasoning. Actually, no, it's not. Without that conspiracy you have absolutely nothing. Nothing.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 31, 2019 5:25:01 GMT
One of the great things about the Anthem demo: You can actually fly to the edge of the world. Anthem takes place on a flat plane, confirmed.
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Post by Chenowl Blanc on Jan 31, 2019 8:24:19 GMT
Well, you should know that I have a thing for debunking misconceptions. I hope you see the irony in your statement. You are aware of misinformation on the net, yet you spread it further in order to make a point? If it's the message you're after, why not stating your opinion without employing the same methods you usually condemn? Don't recall you debunk any of the flat Earth claims made in this thread. Maybe you can start with this National Geographic boats over curvature issue; Ah, still conveniently evading questions I see.
Correct, in terms of flat earth I did not and will not even try to debunk anything. It will not work. You and I have a completely different perception about what "facts" are, so we couldn't possibly meet on middle ground to discuss anything.
I hoped you'd be more reasonable when it comes to spreading false historical quotes, but that does not seem to be the case either.
So ... q.e.d. - I'm done here.
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Post by Wilding on Jan 31, 2019 8:30:32 GMT
Don't recall you debunk any of the flat Earth claims made in this thread. Maybe you can start with this National Geographic boats over curvature issue; Ah, still conveniently evading questions I see.
Correct, in terms of flat earth I did not and will not even try to debunk anything. It will not work. You and I have a completely different perception about what "facts" are, so we couldn't possibly meet on middle ground to discuss anything.
I hoped you'd be more reasonable when it comes to spreading fals historical quotes, but that does not seem to be the case either.
So ... q.e.d. - I'm done here.
He's a troll, so it's not exactly surprising that'd he'd think such anyhow.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 31, 2019 17:45:09 GMT
You're welcome to come back anytime. Chenowl Blanc dmc1001 do you have a powerful enough PC for Anthem or PS4?
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 31, 2019 18:58:13 GMT
Here's something really fun to do, I mentioned earlier in the thread that Stellarium is a wonderful proof that the spherical earth, heliocentric model of the solar system is true. This is a great shot someone took of Venus, the moon, and Jupiter being visible "in conjunction" this morning (Jan 31st 2019). www.reddit.com/r/Astronomy/comments/alp2r6/morning_conjunction_january_31_2019/i.imgur.com/H2PQyEo.jpg (be sure to open image in new tab for max zoom) Using their location of Weatherly, PA, I went to Google Maps for rough coordinates of their location. i.imgur.com/QBbGl3w.pngPunched these rough coords into Stellarium for a location setting. i.imgur.com/b4WqpdT.jpgThe reddit poster didn't say a specific time the photo was taken aside from "morning", so we can just rewind the clock on Stellarium until we get a decent match on the moon position and sunrise. i.imgur.com/gmY0XkD.pngi.imgur.com/oQpFnhN.png - Zoom and Crop The same sky, how about that! If we zoom into the OP's image and compare the stars appearing near to the moon: i.imgur.com/g3cWA64.pngi.imgur.com/BcWG59E.png(Slight difference in position and angle due to me being too lazy to figure out how to put camera and lens settings into Stellarium, but it is possible) Something I didn't even intend to do but I was just playing around - rewound the date and time to 2016 in Stellarium keeping the same position and saw this in 2016: i.imgur.com/beThdFV.jpgWow, a 5-planet alignment. Oh yeah, didn't someone mention that happening a few years back? earthsky.org/science-wire/when-will-all-five-visible-planets-appear-simultaneouslyIndeed!
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Post by sjpelke on Jan 31, 2019 19:22:09 GMT
Today I heard that WhatsApp, FB and Instagram are planning to be fused together. Big Brother will be watching
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 31, 2019 19:54:46 GMT
Because he's probably the foremost expert in the world on eclipses, why shouldn't his name be on it? But if you want to read more about the methods used, on further links from that page you'll see a note that the sun's apparent position is based on the VSOP87 theory, which is the same model used by Stellarium for all planetary positions. The moon's position is based on ELP2000-82B. Here are some useful tidbits about the VSOP87 model. www.caglow.com/info/compute/vsop87
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Jan 31, 2019 20:22:52 GMT
Yesterday, when walking home from work, the sun had set. And the sunlight shone UP to illuminate the underside of the clouds.
This disproves the vanishing point theory, because with a flat earth the sun should never be below the clouds. As I calculated earlier in the thread, observable shadow data requires the sun be roughly 7,400 km above a flat earth.
There's your evidence. Globe.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 31, 2019 20:50:56 GMT
Because he's probably the foremost expert in the world on eclipses, why shouldn't his name be on it? But if you want to read more about the methods used, on further links from that page you'll see a note that the sun's apparent position is based on the VSOP87 theory, which is the same model used by Stellarium for all planetary positions. The moon's position is based on ELP2000-82B. Here are some useful tidbits about the VSOP87 model. www.caglow.com/info/compute/vsop87 Doesn't add up. There should just be a big red button at NASA to press that brings up a 3D hologram model Star Wars style showing you visually what's going on at any time. Instead we get some dude hitting the books on past eclipses.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 31, 2019 20:55:58 GMT
Yesterday, when walking home from work, the sun had set. And the sunlight shone UP to illuminate the underside of the clouds. This disproves the vanishing point theory, because with a flat earth the sun should never be below the clouds. As I calculated earlier in the thread, observable shadow data requires the sun be roughly 7,400 km above a flat earth. There's your evidence. Globe. That's just your assertion that it's the only explanation. Only way to know for sure is measure Earth curvature, simple and leaves no room for assumptions.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 1, 2019 1:45:49 GMT
I see that TF is still going on with that FE nonsense.
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 1, 2019 2:10:50 GMT
Because he's probably the foremost expert in the world on eclipses, why shouldn't his name be on it? But if you want to read more about the methods used, on further links from that page you'll see a note that the sun's apparent position is based on the VSOP87 theory, which is the same model used by Stellarium for all planetary positions. The moon's position is based on ELP2000-82B. Here are some useful tidbits about the VSOP87 model. www.caglow.com/info/compute/vsop87Doesn't add up. There should just be a big red button at NASA to press that brings up a 3D hologram model Star Wars style showing you visually what's going on at any time. Instead we get some dude hitting the books on past eclipses. How doesn't it add up? Also you're arguing from incredulity and ignorance again. It's not "some dude hitting the books on past eclipses," it's several people involved in writing the Canons of solar and lunar eclipses based on models that have proven exceedingly accurate in not only matching up with all past recorded eclipses but has accurately predicted all eclipses since the time of publication as well. If you think they missed one completely or even made a prediction that was outside the error level stated in the papers (they're all there, freely accessible to read btw) then my friend you are about to get very famous once you publish verifiable data contrary to their model. You'll be the man that toppled VSOP- instant astronomical celebrity overnight. And NASA is a bureaucratic institution, if you think they have time or money for control centers filled with Star Wars holograms, that's your issue and not theirs. I can't tell if you're making a joke or actually using that as some kind of evidence of their supposed malfeasance.
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Feb 1, 2019 2:23:06 GMT
Yesterday, when walking home from work, the sun had set. And the sunlight shone UP to illuminate the underside of the clouds. This disproves the vanishing point theory, because with a flat earth the sun should never be below the clouds. As I calculated earlier in the thread, observable shadow data requires the sun be roughly 7,400 km above a flat earth. There's your evidence. Globe. That's just your assertion that it's the only explanation. Only way to know for sure is measure Earth curvature, simple and leaves no room for assumptions. Oh, so now you require a specific piece of evidence? You've never explained how the same stars are visible from all around the southern hemisphere all at once. The flat earth model handles the northern sky just fine, but the southern sky makes no sense with a flat earth.
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