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Post by phoray on Dec 7, 2018 19:55:04 GMT
*hiss* go play anthem if you want a romance-less modern Bioware game. How about no. Anthem will be a looter shooter, and I happen to like RPGs. Don't be salty because I'm pointing out the obvious cringe in this community. The thing about you cringing is that it hurts you in no way that we romance folk get romances. If you promote the removal of something we like and expect the idea to be respected, then will you do the same? Name a few things you like, and then we can all chime in about how that should be removed. Then work on that non saltiness you want me to work on.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 7, 2018 20:02:43 GMT
Uh, no, not just romances.
The reason why I also want a completely fresh start is to have new roleplay opportunities and to do things you weren't able to in Inquisition. You are basically bound to the restrictions of DA:I, if Inquisitor is the protagonist. Now you might say '' but Hawke in DA:I '' well I thought that was bullcrap on it's own.
In order for new players to get the gist of what's going on, it'd be more or less required to play DA:I, because the only reason people seem to want Inquisitor back is because of Solas. Inquisitor's relationship with this Solas character is so important, but all of the important history between the Inquisitor and Solas is in another game, and to fully understand it, you have to play it. Starting a game with '' this bad guy I know needs to die because things that happened in a previous game '' just doesn't work. I don't understand how it could work. Obviously previous titles are pretty important to understand the events of the game you play, but every new Dragon Age game you get a completely new hero and you get that fresh start, and nobody expects you to understand absolutely everything because you are unrelated to the previous protagonists, and you didn't experience the events as they did.
And then, how do you deal with the leveling aspect, are we going back to level one? Yes, we lost one of our arms, but you can't expect me to believe all my combat expertise has been thrown out the window because of it? I don't think so.
I just see so many red flags with bringing the Inquisitor back that I'd rather not. Plus, my Inquisitor's story is done. My Inquisitor is already developed. My Inquisitor is finished in every way. I don't want to give him more story, he is D-O-N-E. I don't want to start a game with a character I've already developed and roleplayed.
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Post by 10k on Dec 7, 2018 20:05:25 GMT
How about no. Anthem will be a looter shooter, and I happen to like RPGs. Don't be salty because I'm pointing out the obvious cringe in this community. The thing about you cringing is that it hurts you in no way that we romance folk get romances. If you promote the removal of something we like and expect the idea to be respected, then will you do the same? Name a few things you like, and then we can all chime in about how that should be removed. Then work on that non saltiness you want me to work on. Wait what did I say that disrespected your idea in the first place? What that I don't want romances? I don't and it's only my opinion, and I don't expect my opinion to be respected on this forum because it doesn't matter. I can voice what I do and don't want to see, it's not hurting anyone. So move on and stop trying to play a victim.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 7, 2018 20:06:41 GMT
*hiss* go play anthem if you want a romance-less modern Bioware game. How about no. Anthem will be a looter shooter, and I happen to like RPGs. Don't be salty because I'm pointing out the obvious cringe in this community. You exaggerated on the issue though, since there are few that expressed this view, and vertigomez now also explained that it’s not the main reason for not wanting the Inquisitor.
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Post by phoray on Dec 7, 2018 20:10:14 GMT
10kThis is a site of opinions rolling back and forth at each other. Reactions meet reactions. You've called me salty and now a victim so we obviously aren't meeting on the same level of respectful discussion here. witchcocktorFolks bring up this starting from level one problem and I don't get it. In the series, Varric starts from Level one, and Leliana's bow skills are pretty lame at the start of the game during that first pride demon. then we have The Witcher 3 starting at level one each game. So it has precedent in highly popular games, so this tells me that it's widely accepted.
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Post by 10k on Dec 7, 2018 20:10:50 GMT
How about no. Anthem will be a looter shooter, and I happen to like RPGs. Don't be salty because I'm pointing out the obvious cringe in this community. You exaggerated on the issue though, since there are few that expressed this view, and vertigomez now also explained that it’s not the main reason for not wanting the Inquisitor. Firstly I didn't exaggerate anything. All I read was about romances and I asked a question and gave my opinion. Yes vertigomez did elaborate further which I read, and I liked their post.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 7, 2018 20:11:09 GMT
Uh, no, not just romances. The reason why I also want a completely fresh start is to have new roleplay opportunities and to do things you weren't able to in Inquisition. You are basically bound to the restrictions of DA:I, if Inquisitor is the protagonist. Now you might say '' but Hawke in DA:I '' well I thought that was bullcrap on it's own. In order for new players to get the gist of what's going on, it'd be more or less required to play DA:I, because the only reason people seem to want Inquisitor back is because of Solas. Inquisitor's relationship with this Solas character is so important, but all of the important history between the Inquisitor and Solas is in another game, and to fully understand it, you have to play it. Starting a game with '' this bad guy I know needs to die because things that happened in a previous game '' just doesn't work. I don't understand how it could work. Obviously previous titles are pretty important to understand the events of the game you play, but every new Dragon Age game you get a completely new hero and you get that fresh start, and nobody expects you to understand absolutely everything because you are unrelated to the previous protagonists, and you didn't experience the events as they did. And then, how do you deal with the leveling aspect, are we going back to level one? Yes, we lost one of our arms, but you can't expect me to believe all my combat expertise has been thrown out the window because of it? I don't think so. I just see so many red flags with bringing the Inquisitor back that I'd rather not. Plus, my Inquisitor's story is done. My Inquisitor is already developed. My Inquisitor is finished in every way. I don't want to give him more story, he is D-O-N-E. I don't want to start a game with a character I've already developed and roleplayed.Yep I was really happy with how my Inquisitor's story ended too. I liked they built up how I was a Messiah figure in DAI only to turn out all that was me being used in Trespasser and I wasn't the Messiah and actually wasn't able to defeat everything. I like how they turned me form the all conquering hero to the person that was actually least suited to deal with the real threat as Solas had consistently used them and knew everything about them. It brought them down to be a normal person, just like it did the same when my warden sacrificed themselves or how no matter what Heroic stuff Hawke did, they weren't able to stop everything. I still feel that if they made the Inquisitor be the one to stop Solas, it would undo all the charactor building they built up in Trespasser, and really make my enjoyment of that protag lessen.
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Post by phoray on Dec 7, 2018 20:12:55 GMT
was me being used in Trespasser we were used in base game, why only mention Trespasser? and not just by Solas, by Leliana and to a lesser extent Jose who actually ran the Inquisition and used as a Figurehead.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 7, 2018 20:13:00 GMT
You exaggerated on the issue though, since there are few that expressed this view, and vertigomez now also explained that it’s not the main reason for not wanting the Inquisitor. Firstly I didn't exaggerate anything. All I read was about romances and I asked a question and gave my opinion. Yes vertigomez did elaborate further which I read, and I liked their post. It was one-two pages though, the discussion wasn’t all about romances for the whols thread.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 7, 2018 20:14:53 GMT
was me being used in Trespasser we were used in base game, why only mention Trespasser? and not just by Solas, by Leliana and to a lesser extent Jose who actually ran the Inquisition and used as a Figurehead. I mean we discovered we were being used in Trespasser and the full extent. NAd Josie and Leliana didn't use us to anywere near the same degree.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 7, 2018 20:15:22 GMT
was me being used in Trespasser we were used in base game, why only mention Trespasser? and not just by Solas, by Leliana and to a lesser extent Josie who actually ran the Inquisition and used as a Figurehead. Yeah she did.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 7, 2018 20:15:41 GMT
was me being used in Trespasser we were used in base game, why only mention Trespasser? and not just by Solas, by Leliana and to a lesser extent Jose who actually ran the Inquisition and used as a Figurehead. I honestly don’t see it that way. The Inquisitor had the final say in any operation the Inquisition took. Josephine and Leliana are simply heads of different division, in which they have far more experience then our character. It’s not that different to how other organizations (or some kingdoms) work in Thedas.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 7, 2018 20:18:17 GMT
I don't get this "think of the new players" argument. This is the fourth game in a series. If they want to understand everything they should play or at least look up what happened in the previous games. Movies, books, shows, etc don't constantly go over everything each time a new part of their series is released, so why should video games? Doing that caters to the new players over the veterans and harms the story.
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Post by phoray on Dec 7, 2018 20:18:58 GMT
If we can't order Leliana to stand down about kidnapping people then we aren't her boss. If we aren't her boss on this matter, than what are we the boss of? only matters she doesn't care about. They also straight up admit to using the "herald" title to manipulate people into following and/or donating to the Inquisition. And Jose is definitely using her Quiz ties to improve her family situation. Dorian says he could be accused of the same if we were seen to romance the Inky so it's not like I'm the first to be concerned about this.
Edit Add: This is off topic. I'm just saying we were used the whole time by everyone, it's a conspiracy. PS, I hate Leliana, she's nutz.
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Post by 10k on Dec 7, 2018 20:19:04 GMT
Firstly I didn't exaggerate anything. All I read was about romances and I asked a question and gave my opinion. Yes vertigomez did elaborate further which I read, and I liked their post. It was one-two pages though, the discussion wasn’t all about romances for the whols thread. The stuff I read, which were the most recent post, was majority about romances. I'm not going to read all five pages of the thread just to get an Idea of what is being discussed, just to comment. All someone had to do is clarify, which vertigomez did. It could have ended there, instead I was directed to go play Anthem because of my opinion.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 7, 2018 20:19:30 GMT
we were used in base game, why only mention Trespasser? and not just by Solas, by Leliana and to a lesser extent Jose who actually ran the Inquisition and used as a Figurehead. I honestly don’t see it that way. The Inquisitor had the final say in any operation the Inquisition took. Josephine and Leliana are simply heads of different division, in which they have far more experience then our character. It’s not that different to how other organizations (or some kingdoms) work in Thedas. Yup The word of the day is “Delegation” We aren’t supposed to handle the minutiae, especially when we have specialists who are better suited. We do set the agenda though.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 7, 2018 20:19:37 GMT
10k This is a site of opinions rolling back and forth at each other. Reactions meet reactions. You've called me salty and now a victim so we obviously aren't meeting on the same level of respectful discussion here. witchcocktor Folks bring up this starting from level one problem and I don't get it. In the series, Varric starts from Level one, and Leliana's bow skills are pretty lame at the start of the game during that first pride demon. then we have The Witcher 3 starting at level one each game. So it has precedent in highly popular games, so this tells me that it's widely accepted. They shouldn't recycle companions to begin with. I never played Witcher so I'm unsure how the gameplay has changed throughout each game, but I don't see much difference happening in DA4. Ultimately having to unlock the same skills again and all that junk, I find that a little bit annoying when I'm literally the savior of Thedas and I've already done the learning. But if they manage to revamp the combat, leveling and skill tree system enough for me to believe that oh yes, I'm the savior of this world and I've already played 100 hours of this character in a previous game, then I guess that'd be fine.
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Post by phoray on Dec 7, 2018 20:22:05 GMT
We aren’t supposed to handle the minutiae, I'm super laughing. I LITERALLY DELIVERED MAIL IN THE HINTERLANDS. TO A MAILBOX. okay okay, gotta stop laughing now.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 7, 2018 20:22:23 GMT
And then, how do you deal with the leveling aspect, are we going back to level one? Yes, we lost one of our arms, but you can't expect me to believe all my combat expertise has been thrown out the window because of it? I don't think so. You are required to do nothing, least of all believe.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 7, 2018 20:24:52 GMT
I don't get this "think of the new players" argument. This is the fourth game in a series. If they want to understand everything they should play or at least look up what happened in the previous games. Movies, books, shows, etc don't constantly go over everything each time a new part of their series is released, so why should video games? Doing that caters to the new players over the veterans and harms the story. TV series, Movies and Books are absolutely designed to help new people who've never been in the series before, otherwise you get a depleting audience. And a game series, especially an RPG one where the last entry alone can take a 100 hrs to play, and the statistics tell you that the majority of players who have already bought the game haven't even finished it (never even mind the DLC), never mind the new ones you are trying to get in, are absolutely designed to try and be as welcoming as posible to new players. You really think devs aren't trying to get as many new customers as possible?
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 7, 2018 20:25:44 GMT
We aren’t supposed to handle the minutiae, I'm super laughing. I LITERALLY DELIVERED MAIL IN THE HINTERLANDS. TO A MAILBOX. okay okay, gotta stop laughing now. Fair point But I think the point more or less stands after we become Inquisitor. We split our time between delegating to our advisors after choosing general policies and leading our own field expeditions.
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Post by Masque on Dec 7, 2018 20:25:56 GMT
I can't see the Inquisitor not being involved to some degree. They have a personal history with Solas - be it friendship, rivalry or romance. And the Inquisitor is at the forefront of trying to locate Egg and kill/save him. I just hope that their appearance is more substantial than the lackluster cameo that Hawke received in DAI.
Personally, I like the option of having dual protagonists, with the new pc doing the majority of the footwork and making decisions on how best to deliver or conceal whatever information they happen to stumble upon to either Solas or the Inquisitor (or perhaps even a third party). The Inquisitor should most certainly be the one who confronts Solas in the end, perhaps with the outcome being somewhat determined by the actions of the new protag.
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Post by phoray on Dec 7, 2018 20:28:07 GMT
10k This is a site of opinions rolling back and forth at each other. Reactions meet reactions. You've called me salty and now a victim so we obviously aren't meeting on the same level of respectful discussion here. witchcocktor Folks bring up this starting from level one problem and I don't get it. In the series, Varric starts from Level one, and Leliana's bow skills are pretty lame at the start of the game during that first pride demon. then we have The Witcher 3 starting at level one each game. So it has precedent in highly popular games, so this tells me that it's widely accepted. They shouldn't recycle companions to begin with. I never played Witcher so I'm unsure how the gameplay has changed throughout each game, but I don't see much difference happening in DA4. Ultimately having to unlock the same skills again and all that junk, I find that a little bit annoying when I'm literally the savior of Thedas and I've already done the learning. But if they manage to revamp the combat, leveling and skill tree system enough for me to believe that oh yes, I'm the savior of this world and I've already played 100 hours of this character in a previous game, then I guess that'd be fine. I played 2 and 3, the skill trees were very close to the same. I had to learn to throw daggers and bombs in TW2 only for them to lose the dagger option and still have to relearn how to throw bombs in TW3. Oh yes, and gadamn potions to be able to breathe underwater or see in the dark- had to learn the recipe again from 2 to 3. This was also a character that was already 80 years old and a super human when we began. The way they bypassed this in 1 was amnesia. It made no sense in 2 and 3. GOTY and bane of my DA quality debating existence. But apparently massive amounts of players of single player RPG just shrugged their shoulders and went with it
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Post by Iakus on Dec 7, 2018 20:36:44 GMT
Is this the only reason why people don't want the inquisitor back, romance options. OMG this is why I hope BW stop with romances. Maybe all the new squadmates could be platonic relationships, no more new romances. Then the old romances can have a small cameo, or some can join your squad based on the player's choices. Not just romances. In fact, romances are only one facet of a much larger problem: Baggage in general. Playing the Mass Effect trilogy, I didn't feel like ANY of my choices, yes including who I romanced, mattered much. I felt Shep was railroaded into filling whatever role this particular story needed, regardless of the character I spent the last game or two crafting. And in the end, my Shepard felt so ruined the entire trilogy left a bad taste in my mouth. I do NOT want a repeat of that with my Inquisitor. I'd rather the story be finished, done with, and move on to a fresh character without a connection to previous games.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 7, 2018 20:40:06 GMT
They shouldn't recycle companions to begin with. I never played Witcher so I'm unsure how the gameplay has changed throughout each game, but I don't see much difference happening in DA4. Ultimately having to unlock the same skills again and all that junk, I find that a little bit annoying when I'm literally the savior of Thedas and I've already done the learning. But if they manage to revamp the combat, leveling and skill tree system enough for me to believe that oh yes, I'm the savior of this world and I've already played 100 hours of this character in a previous game, then I guess that'd be fine. I played 2 and 3, the skill trees were very close to the same. I had to learn to throw daggers and bombs in TW2 only for them to lose the dagger option and still have to relearn how to throw bombs in TW3. Oh yes, and gadamn potions to be able to breathe underwater or see in the dark- had to learn the recipe again from 2 to 3. This was also a character that was already 80 years old and a super human when we began. The way they bypassed this in 1 was amnesia. It made no sense in 2 and 3. GOTY and bane of my DA quality debating existence. But apparently massive amounts of players of single player RPG just shrugged their shoulders and went with it These things matter in a roleplaying-heavy game. It's not the worst thing, but it does break the immersion. But I made other points that I think are stronger. Especially on the origin and background part. I want to be a city elf, but you can be a city elf. You'd be bound to being dalish, would DA:I's elf Inquisitor return. Like I said, restrict roleplaying in that sense, and potential additions that are good for the game could be potentially closed off because '' hey, this feature wasn't available for the Inquisitor in DA:I, so it's that much harder to implement it in DA4. ''
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