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Post by Davrin's boobs on Dec 29, 2018 21:02:03 GMT
About the KISA I would like someone in sour rather than shining armour tbh ¡like BA said I would love someone with Kusanagi's personality from Blue Seed ofc he's a monster guy, I was in monster business since I was a kid lol he's like a mix of the Punisher and Prince Charming perfect combination if you ask me lol
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Post by leadintea on Dec 29, 2018 21:11:03 GMT
Ugh, I knew someone was going to bring up Dorian! He may be a scholar, but I felt like he talked mostly about Tevinter, with a few off hand comments scholarly things, than actually getting real into the nitty-gritty of any scholarly topic, at least from what I remember. Plus, I didn't care for his personality. I want someone nerdy and shy, not catty and sarcastic.
Someone like Milo? Perfect! Just transcribe Milo as is to DA4 and I'd get my most favorite LI in a Bioware game. The whole KISA thing started because people were tired, and rightfully so, of LGBT characters in Bioware games (most media, unfortunately) typically being roguish, outsiders, promiscuous, or morally dubious and wanted an archetype that didn't fall into one of those. Of course, there are many archetypes that aren't KISAs that fall under the 'lawful good' spectrum, and I would honestly prefer a nerdy scholar type character like Bram Kenric from Jaws of Hakkon, a healer/medic, or a fair-minded chantry member over the KISA, personally. EDIT: Formatting
Yeah the more I hear about this, the harder time I have really understanding. Because things like '' roguish, outsider, promiscuous, morally dubious '' are either very neutral things outside of morally dubious, which is pretty much a given character trait in a dark fantasy game. I understand wanting masculine gay characters, and wanting gay characters to be more heroic than not, but outside of that it's all just very irrelevant in terms of making gay characters. It's not to say KISA is totally out of my interests, but we just had Dorian, and outside of having his own opinion on slavery, he is pretty much a goody-goody. I don't want another goody-goody gay male again, and that's what KISA's seem to be. I guess you could also look at this as being stereotyped. Gay characters in most media tend to have those aforementioned traits, Dorian included, and I guess people that want the KISA archetype just want a change of pace for LGBT characters.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 21:16:02 GMT
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 29, 2018 21:17:05 GMT
Perfect! Just transcribe Milo as is to DA4 and I'd get my most favorite LI in a Bioware game. Yeah the more I hear about this, the harder time I have really understanding. Because things like '' roguish, outsider, promiscuous, morally dubious '' are either very neutral things outside of morally dubious, which is pretty much a given character trait in a dark fantasy game. I understand wanting masculine gay characters, and wanting gay characters to be more heroic than not, but outside of that it's all just very irrelevant in terms of making gay characters. It's not to say KISA is totally out of my interests, but we just had Dorian, and outside of having his own opinion on slavery, he is pretty much a goody-goody. I don't want another goody-goody gay male again, and that's what KISA's seem to be. I guess you could also look at this as being stereotyped. Gay characters in most media tend to have those aforementioned traits, Dorian included, and I guess people that want the KISA archetype just want a change of pace for LGBT characters. I honestly haven't really seen this stereotype in the media I consume. The stereotypes still revolve around being feminine, if anything. I don't really connect roguish, outsider and morally dubious, EVER, to gay (male) characters lol.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 29, 2018 21:33:27 GMT
@daveliam In a world, where the "laws" are wrong, the "lawful" can't be "good". In such a world, the "good" is who works against the law. Oh it's my problem. I really can imagine a knight, who protect the people against the law – but s/he must break the law. Or we speak about the "Universal" law? But if the mortal law against this "Universal" law, then the lawbreaking is a virtue. (And sometimes very bloody.) Well that's why I don't think "good" is necessary, personally. I think a lawful evil character that follows the same criteria that I mentioned could be argued to be a KISA type as well. Especially for an "evil" PC playthrough. I think this is different than a "Robin Hood" type, that is more 'chaotic good'. They perceive a problem with the laws and break them to do greater good. I see a difference between those two trope types. I'd like to see the former (personally, I'd like to see a lawful good type, but I could also go for a lawful neutral type as well). Then this is the problem of the misunderstanding. In my head a "knight" rather good, than lawful. The evil one in plate armour, isn't a "knight", even if lawful. The "knight" to me: a protector, who wants to save people, and/or restore the justice. The neutral arrangement fits it, the evil: never. Robin Hood fits the "knight", to me – a lawful evil armoured one absolutely not a "knight". To me rather the behaviour and the purpose makes them knight. The lawfulness itself not.
The moral codex matters, the law not. But I see your point about the type of the lawful warrior, and I know, that the "KISA" term not necessarily fits what the "knight" means to me.
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 29, 2018 21:41:14 GMT
I thought this would be fun..... how would you like to meet these theoretical LIs? I seem to have a habit of falling for characters who are actively killing or beating up baddies. Same, but replace “baddies” with “the protagonist”.
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Post by leadintea on Dec 29, 2018 21:46:10 GMT
Perfect! Just transcribe Milo as is to DA4 and I'd get my most favorite LI in a Bioware game. I guess you could also look at this as being stereotyped. Gay characters in most media tend to have those aforementioned traits, Dorian included, and I guess people that want the KISA archetype just want a change of pace for LGBT characters. I honestly haven't really seen this stereotype in the media I consume. The stereotypes still revolve around being feminine, if anything. I don't really connect roguish, outsider and morally dubious, EVER, to gay (male) characters lol. I remember there being a lot of shows and movies back in the 2000s like Queer as Folk, Noah's Arc, Latter Days, etc. having main characters that exhibited some of these traits, though I agree, nowadays gay characters are getting more diverse. Regardless, most Bioware titles have characters that do tend to have those traits, and the people that are for a gay KISA just want a character that doesn't fall into those traits and are of an archetype that doesn't typically get gay representation.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 21:54:54 GMT
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Nerdy scholar in the DA setting. I can't be the only one who remembers this guy...... Is that Finn from Witch Hunt? Yes, he is. Who said he was happy, the Templars stopped the outdoor trainings after Anders' escape...
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 29, 2018 21:58:50 GMT
I honestly haven't really seen this stereotype in the media I consume. The stereotypes still revolve around being feminine, if anything. I don't really connect roguish, outsider and morally dubious, EVER, to gay (male) characters lol. I remember there being a lot of shows and movies back in the 2000s like Queer as Folk, Noah's Arc, Latter Days, etc. having main characters that exhibited some of these traits, though I agree, nowadays gay characters are getting more diverse. Regardless, most Bioware titles have characters that do tend to have those traits, and the people that are for a gay KISA just want a character that doesn't fall into those traits and are of an archetype that doesn't typically get gay representation. Isn't that just Dragon Age though? When it comes to gay representation, Dragon Age has little of it. And by that I mean just Dorian (if we talk of gay males). So there are several, hundreds, thousands, millions of tropes to fill. I'm not against KISA at all, but it sucks that it seems to be the only thing getting any support by the gay players. So whenever the subject comes around I get really defensive, same with gay elves that get no support either. Need to make my voice heard so that this isn't just one big gay (human) KISA circlejerk.
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Post by Walter Black on Dec 29, 2018 22:11:41 GMT
Would any of this be too much, "soiling" the Knight you want? You do realise that no one, who brought up the idea of a KISA LI, defined it as a perfect character with no flaws? The core of the trope is a character (almost always a warrior) with a strong moral code and a drive to help others or generally do good. Everything else is up to the writer. But they usually appreciate being romantic (Alistair and the rose, Cass and the poetry). This general definition disqualifies Sebastian (motivated by revenge, not doing good) and Blackwall (lack of moral code caused his whole character arc). People can disagree about some characters (I don't view Cullen as a KISA, though he is clearly presented as one in DAI, others might disagree with me that Paladin Danse from Fallout 4 is one), but Alistair, Aveline, and Cassandra are pretty strong examples. Popular flaws that these characters can have: - black and white thinking, naively idealistic, no flexibility in views, even to a point they're hurting others or themselves - being stoic and serious to extremes (Knight in Sour Armour) - their moral code can lead to them being unfairly harsh to some groups - it's hard for them to spot the error in their moral code or the corruption in their own group (super popular with the KISA trope) - when they can no longer rely on their organisation or code, they can completely fall apart (Alistair, Danse) And so on. So yes, we've had several straight characters in this trope and no LGB ones. BW should do one, if for no other reason than introducing more variety. Fair enough. I suppose my dissonance comes from trying to reconcile the image of a traditional KISA (realistically flawed, but still noble) with the typical Dragon Age Companion (severely broken, psychological messes). As I stated before, I have a hard time imagining how anyone could remain a noble protector of the weak in the decadent, chaotic and ruthless Imperium. In Tevinter, idealistic people inevitably wind up corrupted, compromised, broken or dead*. For anyone, regardless of gender or orientation, to remain immune to the reality of such an environment would strike me as bad writing.
Now that I think about it, I think one of the biggest reasons I'm weary of any kind of KISA in DA4 has more to do with the exploration, subversion and possible reconstruction of particular archetypes; Origins gave us the Ragtag Bunch of Misfits, Awakenings had us rebuilding the Fallen Order, DA2 showed the possible Family of Choice in an Urban Fantasy, and Inquisition more or less was about the Justice League of Thedas. It wasn't perfect and there were notable exceptions like Morrigan, but previous games mostly offered twists on classic Heroic Tropes; the Knight in Shining Armor, the Plucky Rogue, the Wise Mentor, the Boisterous Bruiser, and so on. Since Tevinter, the Qun and the Evanaris all have shades of the Evil Empire, part of me hopes DA4 examines and deconstructs Villainous archetypes; the Black Knight, the Fanatical Priest, the Decadent Noble, the Mole, the Psycho Gladiator, among others. What if your GKISA was introduced as an Imperial Reaver with a monstrous reputation, but was actually helping people in secret? What if his Personal Quest required him to make a horrible sacrifice to maintain his cover, or he would have to reveal himself and lose all prestige and resources? Would something like that be interesting, or not good enough?
On that note, have you played Tyranny? If so, would you consider Barik a KISA?
*Before anyone brings up the Lucerni, Maevaris's past has shown that she's more than willing to get her hands bloody. Dorian is on the edge, and may yet cross lines in the future.
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Post by Walter Black on Dec 29, 2018 22:27:05 GMT
Well that's why I don't think "good" is necessary, personally. I think a lawful evil character that follows the same criteria that I mentioned could be argued to be a KISA type as well. Especially for an "evil" PC playthrough. I think this is different than a "Robin Hood" type, that is more 'chaotic good'. They perceive a problem with the laws and break them to do greater good. I see a difference between those two trope types. I'd like to see the former (personally, I'd like to see a lawful good type, but I could also go for a lawful neutral type as well). Then this is the problem of the misunderstanding. In my head a "knight" rather good, than lawful. The evil one in plate armour, isn't a "knight", even if lawful. The "knight" to me: a protector, who wants to save people, and/or restore the justice. The neutral arrangement fits it, the evil: never. Robin Hood fits the "knight", to me – a lawful evil armoured one absolutely not a "knight". To me rather the behaviour and the purpose makes them knight. The lawfulness itself not.
The moral codex matters, the law not. But I see your point about the type of the lawful warrior, and I know, that the "KISA" term not necessarily fits what the "knight" means to me. Thing is, it's easy to romanticize rebellion, but what happens when you win? When you finally tear down the corrupt system, do you have anything solid to replace it with? Working within the system to improve it, as well as creating new laws to correct the old ones can still be within the spirit of Lawful Good. Fighting the Good Fight is fine when you're young, but sooner or later you have to settle down with citizens to actually regulate the new culture, economy, infrastructure, and so on. Or is all that just too boring for your Revolutionary Hero ?
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Post by leadintea on Dec 29, 2018 22:36:38 GMT
I remember there being a lot of shows and movies back in the 2000s like Queer as Folk, Noah's Arc, Latter Days, etc. having main characters that exhibited some of these traits, though I agree, nowadays gay characters are getting more diverse. Regardless, most Bioware titles have characters that do tend to have those traits, and the people that are for a gay KISA just want a character that doesn't fall into those traits and are of an archetype that doesn't typically get gay representation. Isn't that just Dragon Age though? When it comes to gay representation, Dragon Age has little of it. And by that I mean just Dorian (if we talk of gay males). So there are several, hundreds, thousands, millions of tropes to fill. I'm not against KISA at all, but it sucks that it seems to be the only thing getting any support by the gay players. So whenever the subject comes around I get really defensive, same with gay elves that get no support either. Need to make my voice heard so that this isn't just one big gay (human) KISA circlejerk. I should have worded that better since I was thinking of the bi characters as well.
And I agree with you. Like I said, I'm more partial to other renditions of a gay/bi 'lawful good' character and don't particularly care much for KISAs. It'd be nice to see them eventually since we hardly ever see such characters that are gay/bi, but I would rather explore other character archetypes, honestly.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 29, 2018 22:54:01 GMT
Then this is the problem of the misunderstanding. In my head a "knight" rather good, than lawful. The evil one in plate armour, isn't a "knight", even if lawful. The "knight" to me: a protector, who wants to save people, and/or restore the justice. The neutral arrangement fits it, the evil: never. Robin Hood fits the "knight", to me – a lawful evil armoured one absolutely not a "knight". To me rather the behaviour and the purpose makes them knight. The lawfulness itself not. The moral codex matters, the law not. But I see your point about the type of the lawful warrior, and I know, that the "KISA" term not necessarily fits what the "knight" means to me.
Thing is, it's easy to romanticize rebellion, but what happens when you win? When you finally tear down the corrupt system, do you have anything solid to replace it with? Working within the system to improve it, as well as creating new laws to correct the old ones can still be within the spirit of Lawful Good. Fighting the Good Fight is fine when you're young, but sooner or later you have to settle down with citizens to actually regulate the new culture, economy, infrastructure, and so on. Or is all that just too boring for your Revolutionary Hero ? Oh, of course, the revolutionary is romantic. I want a revolutionary in Tevinter. But of course, the law is necessary if it good (near to te "Universal" law). When the revolution win and the laws already serve the justice – then needs the "lawful knights" who watch out, to remain in the right way. Not necessarily boring, of course, but can be. Depends. Needs a challenge to them.
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Post by sandalisthemaker on Dec 30, 2018 0:18:49 GMT
I remember there being a lot of shows and movies back in the 2000s like Queer as Folk, Noah's Arc, Latter Days, etc. having main characters that exhibited some of these traits, though I agree, nowadays gay characters are getting more diverse. Regardless, most Bioware titles have characters that do tend to have those traits, and the people that are for a gay KISA just want a character that doesn't fall into those traits and are of an archetype that doesn't typically get gay representation. Isn't that just Dragon Age though? When it comes to gay representation, Dragon Age has little of it. And by that I mean just Dorian (if we talk of gay males). So there are several, hundreds, thousands, millions of tropes to fill. I'm not against KISA at all, but it sucks that it seems to be the only thing getting any support by the gay players. So whenever the subject comes around I get really defensive, same with gay elves that get no support either. Need to make my voice heard so that this isn't just one big gay (human) KISA circlejerk. I like *playing* as the dashing rogue character. So, ideally, I'd like a LI for that character to have more KISA characteristics to balance him out. But that's just me. Also, regarding elves, I just don't find male Dragon Age elves to be visually appealing. That said, my canon romance in DA2 is Fenris. I really like him as a character and can completely look past the fact that I don't find him visually appealing. I would just prefer a human and/or dwarf as M/M romance options. I don't think we will have another qunari guy. I have a feeling that we will have a qunari woman this time. But I do really want a dwarf guy who is NOT Varric for once. Really it's about damn time for a gay dwarf. And I get why many people find human characters to be boring. However, I am certainly not one of them, and I would absolutely not mind if we get another human as a gay LI. Would you turn down someone like this? Especially if he was an awesome character?
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Dec 30, 2018 0:25:07 GMT
Would you turn down someone like this? Especially if he was an awesome character?
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 30, 2018 1:12:35 GMT
Isn't that just Dragon Age though? When it comes to gay representation, Dragon Age has little of it. And by that I mean just Dorian (if we talk of gay males). So there are several, hundreds, thousands, millions of tropes to fill. I'm not against KISA at all, but it sucks that it seems to be the only thing getting any support by the gay players. So whenever the subject comes around I get really defensive, same with gay elves that get no support either. Need to make my voice heard so that this isn't just one big gay (human) KISA circlejerk. I like *playing* as the dashing rogue character. So, ideally, I'd like a LI for that character to have more KISA characteristics to balance him out. But that's just me. Also, regarding elves, I just don't find male Dragon Age elves to be visually appealing. That said, my canon romance in DA2 is Fenris. I really like him as a character and can completely look past the fact that I don't find him visually appealing. I would just prefer a human and/or dwarf as M/M romance options. I don't think we will have another qunari guy. I have a feeling that we will have a qunari woman this time. But I do really want a dwarf guy who is NOT Varric for once. Really it's about damn time for a gay dwarf. And I get why many people find human characters to be boring. However, I am certainly not one of them, and I would absolutely not mind if we get another human as a gay LI. Would you turn down someone like this? Especially if he was an awesome character? I wouldn't turn down a character based on his looks, as long as he is male and has a good romance with good roleplaying potentials. I don't necessarily find elves more attractive than humans, I like muscle and tall guys, but ME3, MEA, DA:I. All of those games had a gay male HUMAN LI. So let's stop this bullshit please.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 30, 2018 1:19:34 GMT
What really matters is what the m/m li looks like with a ball gag.
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Post by Rouccoco on Dec 30, 2018 1:49:55 GMT
Fair enough. I suppose my dissonance comes from trying to reconcile the image of a traditional KISA (realistically flawed, but still noble) with the typical Dragon Age Companion (severely broken, psychological messes). As I stated before, I have a hard time imagining how anyone could remain a noble protector of the weak in the decadent, chaotic and ruthless Imperium. In Tevinter, idealistic people inevitably wind up corrupted, compromised, broken or dead*. For anyone, regardless of gender or orientation, to remain immune to the reality of such an environment would strike me as bad writing.
Now that I think about it, I think one of the biggest reasons I'm weary of any kind of KISA in DA4 has more to do with the exploration, subversion and possible reconstruction of particular archetypes; Origins gave us the Ragtag Bunch of Misfits, Awakenings had us rebuilding the Fallen Order, DA2 showed the possible Family of Choice in an Urban Fantasy, and Inquisition more or less was about the Justice League of Thedas. It wasn't perfect and there were notable exceptions like Morrigan, but previous games mostly offered twists on classic Heroic Tropes; the Knight in Shining Armor, the Plucky Rogue, the Wise Mentor, the Boisterous Bruiser, and so on. Since Tevinter, the Qun and the Evanaris all have shades of the Evil Empire, part of me hopes DA4 examines and deconstructs Villainous archetypes; the Black Knight, the Fanatical Priest, the Decadent Noble, the Mole, the Psycho Gladiator, among others. What if your GKISA was introduced as an Imperial Reaver with a monstrous reputation, but was actually helping people in secret? What if his Personal Quest required him to make a horrible sacrifice to maintain his cover, or he would have to reveal himself and lose all prestige and resources? Would something like that be interesting, or not good enough?
On that note, have you played Tyranny? If so, would you consider Barik a KISA? *Before anyone brings up the Lucerni, Maevaris's past has shown that she's more than willing to get her hands bloody. Dorian is on the edge, and may yet cross lines in the future. That's a bit of an exaggeration, that the companions are severely broken. That might have been true for DA2, but otherwise it depends on the character. Wynne is basically a zombie, and she's still not evil or corrupted. Aveline lost her husband to the blight and she's doing fine by the end of the game, with her alignment being basically lawful good. Same goes for Cassandra. There are plenty of characters in Thedas that go through hardship and end up being ok. If we were talking about the setting of the Witcher - then yeah, no KISAs there, everyone is an evil bag of dicks. But DA is not that bleak. Honestly, Ragtag Bunch of Misfits fits any DA game, otherwise the party would be boring. DA2 was thematically very different (family of choice, Sisyphean hero), but DAO and DAI are close to each other - a bunch of colourful characters come together to stop the looming evil. I don't find enough variation between them to say that each DA game has it's own distinct theme, when it comes to companions. The idea you give is interesting, but I'd personally prefer someone, who's not knee deep in Tevinter politics. Which is not that far-fetched, most of the companions since 2 are foreigners to the setting, protagonist included (Cassandra, one of the most plot important companions, is from Nevarra). Orlesian politics played a big role in DAI and most of the companions didn't care about or disliked the Game. And that's not even mentioning that I don't think Tevinter will be the only nation we'll go to. A DA4 that's set only in Tevinter with only Vints on the team would be kinda bland. And no, I haven't played Tyranny, so I can't say anything about Barik.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Dec 30, 2018 23:53:14 GMT
Nerdy scholar in the DA setting. I can't be the only one who remembers this guy...... Finn was great. An eccentric, The Doctor'esque nerd would be such a fantastic foil/alternate option for a noble KISA type.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Dec 30, 2018 23:59:18 GMT
Fair enough. I suppose my dissonance comes from trying to reconcile the image of a traditional KISA (realistically flawed, but still noble) with the typical Dragon Age Companion (severely broken, psychological messes). As I stated before, I have a hard time imagining how anyone could remain a noble protector of the weak in the decadent, chaotic and ruthless Imperium. In Tevinter, idealistic people inevitably wind up corrupted, compromised, broken or dead*. For anyone, regardless of gender or orientation, to remain immune to the reality of such an environment would strike me as bad writing.
Now that I think about it, I think one of the biggest reasons I'm weary of any kind of KISA in DA4 has more to do with the exploration, subversion and possible reconstruction of particular archetypes; Origins gave us the Ragtag Bunch of Misfits, Awakenings had us rebuilding the Fallen Order, DA2 showed the possible Family of Choice in an Urban Fantasy, and Inquisition more or less was about the Justice League of Thedas. It wasn't perfect and there were notable exceptions like Morrigan, but previous games mostly offered twists on classic Heroic Tropes; the Knight in Shining Armor, the Plucky Rogue, the Wise Mentor, the Boisterous Bruiser, and so on. Since Tevinter, the Qun and the Evanaris all have shades of the Evil Empire, part of me hopes DA4 examines and deconstructs Villainous archetypes; the Black Knight, the Fanatical Priest, the Decadent Noble, the Mole, the Psycho Gladiator, among others. What if your GKISA was introduced as an Imperial Reaver with a monstrous reputation, but was actually helping people in secret? What if his Personal Quest required him to make a horrible sacrifice to maintain his cover, or he would have to reveal himself and lose all prestige and resources? Would something like that be interesting, or not good enough?
On that note, have you played Tyranny? If so, would you consider Barik a KISA? *Before anyone brings up the Lucerni, Maevaris's past has shown that she's more than willing to get her hands bloody. Dorian is on the edge, and may yet cross lines in the future. That's a bit of an exaggeration, that the companions are severely broken. That might have been true for DA2, but otherwise it depends on the character. Wynne is basically a zombie, and she's still not evil or corrupted. Aveline lost her husband to the blight and she's doing fine by the end of the game, with her alignment being basically lawful good. Same goes for Cassandra. There are plenty of characters in Thedas that go through hardship and end up being ok. If we were talking about the setting of the Witcher - then yeah, no KISAs there, everyone is an evil bag of dicks. But DA is not that bleak. Honestly, Ragtag Bunch of Misfits fits any DA game, otherwise the party would be boring. DA2 was thematically very different (family of choice, Sisyphean hero), but DAO and DAI are close to each other - a bunch of colourful characters come together to stop the looming evil. I don't find enough variation between them to say that each DA game has it's own distinct theme, when it comes to companions. The idea you give is interesting, but I'd personally prefer someone, who's not knee deep in Tevinter politics. Which is not that far-fetched, most of the companions since 2 are foreigners to the setting, protagonist included (Cassandra, one of the most plot important companions, is from Nevarra). Orlesian politics played a big role in DAI and most of the companions didn't care about or disliked the Game. And that's not even mentioning that I don't think Tevinter will be the only nation we'll go to. A DA4 that's set only in Tevinter with only Vints on the team would be kinda bland. And no, I haven't played Tyranny, so I can't say anything about Barik. Yeah, we've got precedent for outsider and foreign companions coming out of our ears--Every DA has had a significant number of team members who aren't native to the setting. Changing it to only local characters would be an awfully sudden and strange restriction to introduce to the game.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Dec 31, 2018 0:02:48 GMT
I like *playing* as the dashing rogue character. So, ideally, I'd like a LI for that character to have more KISA characteristics to balance him out. But that's just me. Also, regarding elves, I just don't find male Dragon Age elves to be visually appealing. That said, my canon romance in DA2 is Fenris. I really like him as a character and can completely look past the fact that I don't find him visually appealing. I would just prefer a human and/or dwarf as M/M romance options. I don't think we will have another qunari guy. I have a feeling that we will have a qunari woman this time. But I do really want a dwarf guy who is NOT Varric for once. Really it's about damn time for a gay dwarf. And I get why many people find human characters to be boring. However, I am certainly not one of them, and I would absolutely not mind if we get another human as a gay LI. Would you turn down someone like this? Especially if he was an awesome character? I wouldn't turn down a character based on his looks, as long as he is male and has a good romance with good roleplaying potentials. I don't necessarily find elves more attractive than humans, I like muscle and tall guys, but ME3, MEA, DA:I. All of those games had a gay male HUMAN LI. So let's stop this bullshit please. Wait, which part is bullshit?
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Post by phoray on Dec 31, 2018 0:09:28 GMT
Wait, which part is bullshit? I think Sandal is saying, "I prefer to romance humans even if I get this feeling that people think humans are boring. And people wouldn't turn down this sexy human if he were gay. more gay humans please!" And Witch is saying, "I don't romance characters based on looks. But we've gotten lots of gay humans in 3 other games, so let's not ask for more of the same here like we haven't already had our preference satisfied." That's my parsing of it, anyway.
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Post by monkeylungs on Dec 31, 2018 0:13:58 GMT
I like to attempt a playthrough with a character that explores every romance option available. Not that I try to necessarily romance everyone available in one playthrough just that I like to attempt them all. I don't think I have ever completed that many playthroughs in any Bio game but I start with my favs then work my way down my list. I will play straight characters and gay characters. I think it is admirable that Bio includes these as something our characters can take part in during our time with the game.
I also really enjoyed how Andromeda let you bro or sister out with characters ... like if you didn't want to romance you could still head down a more defined path of strong friendship. I think this is an excellent dynamic and should be further iterated upon.
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Post by House Targaryen on Dec 31, 2018 0:22:27 GMT
Nerdy scholar in the DA setting. I can't be the only one who remembers this guy...... A romance with a twink. He looks twinkish.
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