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Post by Catilina on Dec 27, 2018 20:17:42 GMT
I can agree, if that bad guy not painted as good guy, and my character not forced to agree with that bad guy, and able to question hard. I think questioning one's immoral habits is pretty much a given and needed, but you should also be able to agree with those immoral habits as long as it doesn't completely go against the flow of the game and it's story to the point that being a heroic protagonist that saves the day makes absolutely no sense. In the end, it's roleplaying. I usually roleplay a piece of shit. And I'd like to romance a piece of shit granted he doesn't treat me like a piece of shit, ye. I said it's mandatory? I need a possibility. Even to agree, ofc. But only if my character able to agree. |
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Post by boxofscreaming on Dec 27, 2018 20:21:32 GMT
another wish to the list: Please do not make slavery apologetic love interests Bioware, we are going to Tevinter so I hope if they want to touch that territory is with non-romanceable companions. I think in a game set in a pre-modern society, it would be unrealistic to expect most love interests to oppose slavery, especially if they come from a country where it's legal. I'd argue many Dragon Age love interests could be considered to at least tacitly accept slavery, since no one ever spoke out against the slavery in Orlais (established to exist in the Codex). Really, It's a world without electricity, indoor plumbing or mass media, there's no concept of human rights so arguably most love interests should have attitudes we would find backwards. |
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Post by cankiie on Dec 27, 2018 20:22:10 GMT
I did point that out. I intentionally called their extreme beauty "unnatural" That said. It appeals to the "male fantasy", if you will. And why not appeal to the "typical male fantasy" when making a straight male to female love interest? I'm not sure catering to the typical male fantasy is the cup of tea Bioware is currently sipping. Most of the time, they barely know what their characters look like. My understanding of how Bioware makes characters is: A. I have this story I want to tell. it A. Ties into the main story or B. Ties into the supporting story. 2. They feel out whether this character would do A or B well. If they decide that it is so then... 3. What do they look like? 4. Who would they fuck? So they can't make/demand a sexy bitch and THEN fill in their back story. That's not their MO I am very well aware that the typical male fantasy is not exactly what bioware might not want to cater to. Also, why can't the woman be that "male fantasy beauty" despite what you mentioned. Why can't they make a compelling story AND make it a sexy bitch? They are not mutually exclusive. |
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Post by cankiie on Dec 27, 2018 20:23:34 GMT
I did point that out. I intentionally called their extreme beauty "unnatural" That said. It appeals to the "male fantasy", if you will. And why not appeal to the "typical male fantasy" when making a straight male to female love interest? I mean sometimes it's nice to make a design you like and just let the personality and story speak for itself instead of resorting to appearance. But that goes to all LIs. I just don't really understand what appearance has to do with anything. I personally look for story and personality that works with my own PC, not appearance. Sure I have strong preferences, but what matters is the content in the end. You are correct. Having a good romance story is excellent as well. But as I have already explained in my post before this one. It is not mutually exclusive with being a "sexy bitch" as it was so delicately put. |
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Dec 27, 2018 20:29:00 GMT
Cassandra and Josephine are far prettier than Triss or Yennefer. More realisticly pretty in a world where magical plastic surgery to look like the top 1% of our modern world doesn't exist, anyway. It's weird for them to point to Yenn and Triss. I'm not implying it's magical plastic surgery in a cute snide way, it is considered magical plastic surgery even in it's base world. That's the lore. This is interesting because I've never found either Triss or Yen's beauty to be unrealistic at all, certainly not in the plastic surgery sense, even though it fits witcher lore. I see plenty of hot chicks like that in real life everyday. Besides, I've always found some bioware women to be just as beautiful, Morrigan, Cass, Isa and even Josephine is quite beautiful although I wouldn't call her sexy. I mean any of those bioware girls would be absolute knockouts in the history of our own world and I don't think they look plastic either.
I live in an area where there is nothing but plastic surgery and quite frankly, more often then not it makes people look worse...much worse. |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Dec 27, 2018 20:33:07 GMT
another wish to the list: Please do not make slavery apologetic love interests Bioware, we are going to Tevinter so I hope if they want to touch that territory is with non-romanceable companions. I think in a game set in a pre-modern society, it would be unrealistic to expect most love interests to oppose slavery, especially if they come from a country where it's legal. I'd argue many Dragon Age love interests could be considered to at least tacitly accept slavery, since no one ever spoke out against the slavery in Orlais (established to exist in the Codex). Really, It's a world without electricity, indoor plumbing or mass media, there's no concept of human rights so arguably most love interests should have attitudes we would find backwards. Gawd !! hope we get three tevinter companions or less no more than that, hope the gang is diverse. I dunno, if the LI is just evil alignmented (dunno if this is an actual english word lol) it's just worthless to me, having a character with Tevinter hardcore morals as love interest is not only off-putting, if it is my only option I wouldnt even bother with the game lol fortunately most of DA companions even with their disagreements always form or act like a -dysfunctional- family lmao I know that I said that I want a pure paladin-type prince-esque gay KISA (because we never got that) but this is not me asking for all the LIs being pure Do-Gooders, actually I find Punisher-like characters more likeables for my taste. Just wanting for Bioware to break the mold. But yeah, slavery big nop. |
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Dec 27, 2018 20:36:18 GMT
I think in a game set in a pre-modern society, it would be unrealistic to expect most love interests to oppose slavery, especially if they come from a country where it's legal. I'd argue many Dragon Age love interests could be considered to at least tacitly accept slavery, since no one ever spoke out against the slavery in Orlais (established to exist in the Codex). Really, It's a world without electricity, indoor plumbing or mass media, there's no concept of human rights so arguably most love interests should have attitudes we would find backwards. I find Punisher-like characters more likeables for my taste Weekes did tweet once that he was watching The Punisher "for work."  |
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 27, 2018 20:41:07 GMT
I mean sometimes it's nice to make a design you like and just let the personality and story speak for itself instead of resorting to appearance. But that goes to all LIs. I just don't really understand what appearance has to do with anything. I personally look for story and personality that works with my own PC, not appearance. Sure I have strong preferences, but what matters is the content in the end. You are correct. Having a good romance story is excellent as well. But as I have already explained in my post before this one. It is not mutually exclusive with being a "sexy bitch" as it was so delicately put. Yeah they are not mutually exclusive, but sometimes a sexy concept feels out of place on a character whose story and personality has absolutely nothing to do with being sexy. It's very transparent and breaks immersion if you can clearly detect that a character was purely made for one audience to.. well, basically drool over. And this goes for male characters as well. |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Dec 27, 2018 20:41:47 GMT
I find Punisher-like characters more likeables for my taste Weekes did tweet once that he was watching The Punisher "for work."  WUT the closest thing to a Punisher-like love interest I have seen is Hancock from FO4, I love my ghoulie boi  I dont know men, we are going to wait a lot til we'll see actual info and that drives me nuts lol hopefully other rpgs release info to endure this madness  |
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 27, 2018 20:42:54 GMT
I still just want Calpernia tbh.
She's so fucking cute. 😭 Plus morally grey, fascinating backstory, has a righteous cause but uses shady means, reminds me of the forgotten lovechild of like.... Morrigan and Fenris and Liara.
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 27, 2018 20:47:13 GMT
More realisticly pretty in a world where magical plastic surgery to look like the top 1% of our modern world doesn't exist, anyway. It's weird for them to point to Yenn and Triss. I'm not implying it's magical plastic surgery in a cute snide way, it is considered magical plastic surgery even in it's base world. That's the lore. This is interesting because I've never found either Triss or Yen's beauty to be unrealistic at all, certainly not in the plastic surgery sense, even though it fits witcher lore. I see plenty of hot chicks like that in real life everyday. Besides, I've always found some bioware women to be just as beautiful, Morrigan, Cass, Isa and even Josephine is quite beautiful although I wouldn't call her sexy. I mean any of those bioware girls would be absolute knockouts in the history of our own world and I don't think they look plastic either.
The part that’s always weird to me is not so much face shape, but makeup. Yeah, makeup existed in equivalently advanced societies, and the Witcher is an even more special case for the reasons mentioned. But so often in media it seems like people don’t even realize that a particular look involves makeup. With no makeup, women’s eyes and eyelashes look the exact same as dudes’. They’re fairly straight, have little visible definition, and are kind of hard to see, even on brunettes. Women don’t hit adolescence and magically grow dark black, curly lashes. If anything, their lashes are somewhat finer and less prominent than men’s. I understand the need for film makeup to help with camera stuff, but it’s so ridiculously obvious. Take any video game, movie, or TV show that involves people supposedly trekking the wilderness, and the eyelashes are telling a different story. |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Dec 27, 2018 20:47:31 GMT
I still just want Calpernia tbh. She's so fucking cute. 😭 Plus morally grey, fascinating backstory, has a righteous cause but uses shady means, reminds me of the forgotten lovechild of like.... Morrigan and Fenris and Liara. I've never done a templar run so I dont know her (edit: well except for wikia), is she dead when you side with the mages? edit: interesting, glad she doesnt suffer Delris fate (  ) |
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Post by cankiie on Dec 27, 2018 20:50:12 GMT
You are correct. Having a good romance story is excellent as well. But as I have already explained in my post before this one. It is not mutually exclusive with being a "sexy bitch" as it was so delicately put. Yeah they are not mutually exclusive, but sometimes a sexy concept feels out of place on a character whose story and personality has absolutely nothing to do with being sexy. It's very transparent and breaks immersion if you can clearly detect that a character was purely made for one audience to.. well, basically drool over. And this goes for male characters as well. Great thing that we are most likely going to be based in the Tevinter Imperium then in the upcoming game, where selective breeding for desireable traits is pretty much a thing. Granted, such love interests could very well end up being just a copy-paste of Dorian... just as a female instead. But yes, being a "sexy bitch" and having an interesting story is not mutually exclusive, at all, and of course it would be sensible regardless of backstory. As for romances in general, is it not just a way to cater to a group of people who drools over sweet, sweet romantic fantasies overall? A minor story that is largely irrelevant anyway in the larger scope. |
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 27, 2018 20:53:10 GMT
I still just want Calpernia tbh. She's so fucking cute. 😭 Plus morally grey, fascinating backstory, has a righteous cause but uses shady means, reminds me of the forgotten lovechild of like.... Morrigan and Fenris and Liara. I've never done a templar run so I dont know her (edit: well except for wikia), is she dead when you side with the mages? edit: interesting As per your edit, yeah she's still around.  I love her!!!  |
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Dec 27, 2018 21:02:27 GMT
This is interesting because I've never found either Triss or Yen's beauty to be unrealistic at all, certainly not in the plastic surgery sense, even though it fits witcher lore. I see plenty of hot chicks like that in real life everyday. Besides, I've always found some bioware women to be just as beautiful, Morrigan, Cass, Isa and even Josephine is quite beautiful although I wouldn't call her sexy. I mean any of those bioware girls would be absolute knockouts in the history of our own world and I don't think they look plastic either.
The part that’s always weird to me is not so much face shape, but makeup. Yeah, makeup existed in equivalently advanced societies, and the Witcher is an even more special case for the reasons mentioned. But so often in media it seems like people don’t even realize that a particular look involves makeup. With no makeup, women’s eyes and eyelashes look the exact same as dudes’. They’re fairly straight, have little visible definition, and are kind of hard to see, even on brunettes. Women don’t hit adolescence and magically grow dark black, curly lashes. If anything, their lashes are somewhat finer and less prominent than men’s. I understand the need for film makeup to help with camera stuff, but it’s so ridiculously obvious. Take any video game, movie, or TV show that involves people supposedly trekking the wilderness, and the eyelashes are telling a different story. True. I can sort of see it fitting a particular character, maybe someone like leliana who is very much in touch with her feminine side but there are characters where it does seem largely out of place.
There have been many times when thick makeup on a character has made me chuckle, *sure let me doll myself up before running off into battle*. Although, aside from a laugh it doesn't bother me too much as people like their fantasy I guess. However, I wouldn't complain about less makeup used, often times I find that less is more. |
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 27, 2018 21:14:03 GMT
This is interesting because I've never found either Triss or Yen's beauty to be unrealistic at all, certainly not in the plastic surgery sense, even though it fits witcher lore. I see plenty of hot chicks like that in real life everyday. Besides, I've always found some bioware women to be just as beautiful, Morrigan, Cass, Isa and even Josephine is quite beautiful although I wouldn't call her sexy. I mean any of those bioware girls would be absolute knockouts in the history of our own world and I don't think they look plastic either.
The part that’s always weird to me is not so much face shape, but makeup. Yeah, makeup existed in equivalently advanced societies, and the Witcher is an even more special case for the reasons mentioned. But so often in media it seems like people don’t even realize that a particular look involves makeup. With no makeup, women’s eyes and eyelashes look the exact same as dudes’. They’re fairly straight, have little visible definition, and are kind of hard to see, even on brunettes. Women don’t hit adolescence and magically grow dark black, curly lashes. If anything, their lashes are somewhat finer and less prominent than men’s. I understand the need for film makeup to help with camera stuff, but it’s so ridiculously obvious. Take any video game, movie, or TV show that involves people supposedly trekking the wilderness, and the eyelashes are telling a different story. Hell, it's not even just the mascara and eyeshadow and eyeliner, very often characters are wearing blush. Case in point.... |
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Post by cankiie on Dec 27, 2018 21:19:23 GMT
The part that’s always weird to me is not so much face shape, but makeup. Yeah, makeup existed in equivalently advanced societies, and the Witcher is an even more special case for the reasons mentioned. But so often in media it seems like people don’t even realize that a particular look involves makeup. With no makeup, women’s eyes and eyelashes look the exact same as dudes’. They’re fairly straight, have little visible definition, and are kind of hard to see, even on brunettes. Women don’t hit adolescence and magically grow dark black, curly lashes. If anything, their lashes are somewhat finer and less prominent than men’s. I understand the need for film makeup to help with camera stuff, but it’s so ridiculously obvious. Take any video game, movie, or TV show that involves people supposedly trekking the wilderness, and the eyelashes are telling a different story. Hell, it's not even just the mascara and eyeshadow and eyeliner, very often characters are wearing blush. Case in point.... I can safely say that some women, even in the army, actually takes some time to "doll" themselves up. Hell, even some men do it, so it is not as strange as you might think. |
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 27, 2018 21:49:05 GMT
Clearly the only way to resolve this is to make makeup a romance option.
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Post by cankiie on Dec 27, 2018 21:51:34 GMT
Clearly the only way to resolve this is to make makeup a romance option. Genius. |
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 27, 2018 21:53:17 GMT
Clearly the only way to resolve this is to make makeup a romance option. But will the lipstick be a lipstick lesbian?? Inquiring minds want to know! |
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Post by davkar on Dec 27, 2018 22:38:06 GMT
Cassandra and Josephine are far prettier than Triss or Yennefer. Different tastes and opinions, all the diplomatic stuff, but this statement is objectively false. The two games use completely different engines and even the random W3 npcs look better than Cassie and Josie (disclaimer: I love these ladies too).  |
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 27, 2018 22:39:07 GMT
Clearly the only way to resolve this is to make makeup a romance option. But will the lipstick be a lipstick lesbian?? Inquiring minds want to know! Yes, and the MASC-ara is a dom top. |
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Post by Walter Black on Dec 27, 2018 23:23:46 GMT
I think in a game set in a pre-modern society, it would be unrealistic to expect most love interests to oppose slavery, especially if they come from a country where it's legal. I'd argue many Dragon Age love interests could be considered to at least tacitly accept slavery, since no one ever spoke out against the slavery in Orlais (established to exist in the Codex). Really, It's a world without electricity, indoor plumbing or mass media, there's no concept of human rights so arguably most love interests should have attitudes we would find backwards. Gawd !! hope we get three tevinter companions or less no more than that, hope the gang is diverse. I dunno, if the LI is just evil alignmented (dunno if this is an actual english word lol) it's just worthless to me, having a character with Tevinter hardcore morals as love interest is not only off-putting, if it is my only option I wouldnt even bother with the game lol fortunately most of DA companions even with their disagreements always form or act like a -dysfunctional- family lmao I know that I said that I want a pure paladin-type prince-esque gay KISA (because we never got that) but this is not me asking for all the LIs being pure Do-Gooders, actually I find Punisher-like characters more likeables for my taste. Just wanting for Bioware to break the mold. But yeah, slavery big nop. Well, technically, straight players never got a perfect KISA either:
Alistair- whiny manbaby who abandons you at the final battle if he doesn't get his way, and dumps you if are not a Cousland female.
Aveline- hypocrite, Fereldan deserter, snoops into our business whether we like it or not, incompetence leads to our mother's death and growing tensions with elves and qunari, teases that we might have a shot but ultimately goes with
someone else.
Sebastien- wishy-washy, pompous spoiled prince, won't stop trying to convert people even after they've declined, uses emotional blackmail on his spouse to remain chaste, abandons you at the final battle and lays siege to a city whose majority of citizens had nothing to do with his grudge if he doesn't get his way.
Cassandra-rash and intolerant bully, especially if you are a mage or Dalish, keeps trying to convert people even after they've declined.
Blackwall-liar, murderer of civilians and children
Cullen-recovering addict who leaves the responsibility of his fate in your hands, had all of his complicity in Kirkwall's Circle abuses whitewashed in the name of fanservice.
And this is coming from someone who find can likability in all these characters, to one degree or another. My point isn't that gay players don't deserve KISAs (they do, and any other type), just that Dragon Age has always been a dark story with complex characters and no easy answers. If DA4 has a gay KISA LI, but one who had signs of ruthless ambition, bigotry, aggression and/or any number of other major flaws, would you claim that Bioware was trolling you? More imporatantly, given how ruthless, decadent, power hungry, paranoid, and chaotic Tevinter culture is, how exactly would you justify this hypothetical GKISA remaining pure there, naratively speaking? That they are never in danger of ending up corrupted, compromised, broken or dead without ridiculous Plot Armor?
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Dec 27, 2018 23:45:58 GMT
Well, technically, straight players never got a perfect KISA either:  #NotTodaySatanNotToday |
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 28, 2018 0:26:05 GMT
Hell, it's not even just the mascara and eyeshadow and eyeliner, very often characters are wearing blush. Case in point.... I can safely say that some women, even in the army, actually takes some time to "doll" themselves up. Hell, even some men do it, so it is not as strange as you might think. I don’t doubt it! I just get weirded out when everyone in a piece of media does it, to the point where I start to wonder if people actually know what it looks like to not wear makeup. It reminds me of that classic complaint women have where men say “I prefer women with no makeup” but if they actually wear no makeup (rather than subtle makeup), the same guys think they look tired or sick. I think an obsession with modern people looking “natural” is silly, but I do feel like we should at least know what “natural” looks like. If for no other reason than to appreciate the effort that makeup artists go to!  |
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