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Post by qunaripenis on Feb 28, 2019 1:23:35 GMT
There are Imperials as well. Well, I know of one, at any rate; I'm not familiar with all the Skyrim LI options. Marcurio is Imperial. Not sure I understand this... If you don't like the idea of engaging in multiple flings, then don't do that? And is that supposed to be connected to the previous sentence of straight people stuff? They... Might be referring to the pc showing interest in the opposite sex without player input, eg like leering at a character when they flirt with you, but the sentence is confusing so I'm not sure. Yep, also sorry for the confusing way that was worded, it's been forever since i peopled.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 2:35:40 GMT
"I can watch your backside" "I bet you can" Pardon me while I vomit. Yes, auto dialogue always assumes you are attracted to all females. But is that not her flirting with Hawke? How is that taking away player agency?
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Post by Rouccoco on Feb 28, 2019 3:06:34 GMT
"I can watch your backside" "I bet you can" Pardon me while I vomit. Yes, auto dialogue always assumes you are attracted to all females. It doesn't matter what your gender, religion, species, or class. It's apparently the only way game companies (as it's far from a BioWare issue only) know how to write. It's an issue in 2 of the "romances" in Assassin's creed. In fact you have to completely avoid roxanne or you wind up cuddling with her on a blanket and fading to black. I killed her cause if she died it never happened..that's how sexuality worked in ancient Greece. I looked it up. Isabela did flirt in that instance, and everyone is fine with that (but how dare Anders do it!!!1), but Hawke's line was "I'll watch your back." She made it into an innuendo. Roxana was like super frustrating to talk to, because every second choice had the heart dialogue on first position, but once you beat her at the race and you talk on that blanket, she flirts with you and you can tell her you don't feel that way about her, you wish each other luck at the competition, and that's that. Frustrating, but nothing like the shitty dlc.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 28, 2019 4:35:22 GMT
Isabela did flirt in that instance, and everyone is fine with that (but how dare Anders do it!!!1), but Hawke's line was "I'll watch your back." She made it into an innuendo. To me the issue with that scene is the goofy smile Hawke gets when Isabela mentions that she has a room at the Hanged Man; it looks like they're interested. It's more about what my PC is forced to do without player input than what the NPC does. Isabela can flirt and make innuendos. Peebee can throw herself at you. That's part of their characterization. But don't make my character act interested or assume that every PC is attracted to the character.
Also, the shadow on your new Alexios pic keeps reminding me of the silhouette of a cowboy hat, so it looks like cowboy!Alexios to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 5:32:22 GMT
Isabela did flirt in that instance, and everyone is fine with that (but how dare Anders do it!!!1), but Hawke's line was "I'll watch your back." She made it into an innuendo. To me the issue with that scene is the goofy smile Hawke gets when Isabela mentions that she has a room at the Hanged Man; it looks like they're interested. It's more about what my PC is forced to do without player input than what the NPC does. Isabela can flirt and make innuendos. Peebee can throw herself at you. That's part of their characterization. But don't make my character act interested or assume that every PC is attracted to the character. ^ This answered the question I was asked above. I don't go into great details when I post cause I always assume people actually have played the games and notice the things like the way our characters will drool over certain characters no matter how we play them. Also, I don't post here much, cause everyone gets so uppity if you don't go into great detail about what you mean with every statement. The fact is it's a problem for me as a player that our characters always are programmed to react a certain way to female characters. Yet they claim we can be whatever sexuality we want to be if that is true then the content should reflect our choices not assume such things.
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 28, 2019 6:54:21 GMT
Peebee getting all up on you isn't even the worst thing, you can literally shove her off. The worst thing though, with Peebee, is that when she is like '' wanna fug '' the only way to say no is to basically be like '' Oh, Peebee, no, I'm sorry '' There's no '' what makes you think I'd be interested in that '' or just a strict, normal '' no, not interested. '' But the tone is all sad and remorseful. I HATED IT.
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Post by Sifr on Feb 28, 2019 8:35:23 GMT
Peebee getting all up on you isn't even the worst thing, you can literally shove her off. The worst thing though, with Peebee, is that when she is like '' wanna fug '' the only way to say no is to basically be like '' Oh, Peebee, no, I'm sorry '' There's no '' what makes you think I'd be interested in that '' or just a strict, normal '' no, not interested. '' But the tone is all sad and remorseful. I HATED IT. Maybe that scene should have only played if you had flirted with her at some point, as you would have shown enough interest that her asking if you wanted to get freaky in Zero-G would be something she'd assume you were naturally up for?
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 28, 2019 8:45:50 GMT
Maybe that scene should have only played if you had flirted with her at some point, as you would have shown enough interest that her asking if you wanted to get freaky in Zero-G would be something she'd assume you were naturally up for? The issue isn't that it happens. That's part of Peebee's characterization. The problem is Ryder's response, or limited options. As WC says, the tone is remorseful. I think it's one thing to be a bit sad if someone, especially if you consider them a friend, confessed their feelings and you don't reciprocate, but here she's propositioning you, which is considerably more uncomfortable and awkward as hell. She makes it even worse with the "I don't care if you're involved with someone else" line. I knew the scene was coming and still felt super weird about it and it would have affected how my Scott was around her for a while afterward.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 28, 2019 9:01:40 GMT
Yeah that scene made me very uncomfortable when I experienced it. That’s why now I wait until I’m locked into a romance before triggering it since if you are committed PeeBee doesn’t proposition you and just thanks you.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 28, 2019 9:10:19 GMT
That’s why now I wait until I’m locked into a romance before triggering it since if you are committed PeeBee doesn’t proposition you and just thanks you. Really? I guess that didn't trigger for me since I intentionally held off on the Gil lock-in for RP reasons.
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Post by Ieldra on Feb 28, 2019 10:34:00 GMT
Yeah that scene made me very uncomfortable when I experienced it. That’s why now I wait until I’m locked into a romance before triggering it since if you are committed PeeBee doesn’t proposition you and just thanks you. It seems to me we'll need good synthetic voices eventually. Imagine that you have recorded all dialogue and then someone discovers that one of the recorded lines is conditionally inappropriate. What will you do? Organize a new recording session? How long will that take? Does it fit in the production schedule? Eh, the VA is on vacation and we want to go gold next week...
Or it may be that games production isn't as professional as movie production that. Movies have lots of "bugs", but usually nothing as glaring as this.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 28, 2019 11:25:22 GMT
Peebee getting all up on you isn't even the worst thing, you can literally shove her off. The worst thing though, with Peebee, is that when she is like '' wanna fug '' the only way to say no is to basically be like '' Oh, Peebee, no, I'm sorry '' There's no '' what makes you think I'd be interested in that '' or just a strict, normal '' no, not interested. '' But the tone is all sad and remorseful. I HATED IT. Who the fuck is "Peebee"?
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 28, 2019 11:33:21 GMT
Who the fuck is "Peebee"? She's an asari squad mate in MEA. Personality-wise, she's sort of a Sera analogue.
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Post by Ieldra on Feb 28, 2019 12:18:49 GMT
Peebee getting all up on you isn't even the worst thing, you can literally shove her off. The worst thing though, with Peebee, is that when she is like '' wanna fug '' the only way to say no is to basically be like '' Oh, Peebee, no, I'm sorry '' There's no '' what makes you think I'd be interested in that '' or just a strict, normal '' no, not interested. '' But the tone is all sad and remorseful. I HATED IT. Who the fuck is "Peebee"? masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/Pelessaria_B%27Sayle
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Post by davkar on Feb 28, 2019 13:09:55 GMT
BW really should add a sexuality toggle/trait to the CC. It could be similar to the race icons and the knowledge perks. "Begone thot", "I was just being nice, not gay". (no solution for PB, combat roll maybe?) Ooh, they can even bring back desire demons this way, now with male variants. Fitting fade quests for everyone!
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 28, 2019 13:51:59 GMT
Maybe that scene should have only played if you had flirted with her at some point, as you would have shown enough interest that her asking if you wanted to get freaky in Zero-G would be something she'd assume you were naturally up for? The issue isn't that it happens. That's part of Peebee's characterization. The problem is Ryder's response, or limited options. As WC says, the tone is remorseful. I think it's one thing to be a bit sad if someone, especially if you consider them a friend, confessed their feelings and you don't reciprocate, but here she's propositioning you, which is considerably more uncomfortable and awkward as hell. She makes it even worse with the "I don't care if you're involved with someone else" line. I knew the scene was coming and still felt super weird about it and it would have affected how my Scott was around her for a while afterward. As you say the scene fits her character perfectly. My character was very happy to jump her bones. Listening to the rejection for the first time i can see why they went for a simple no. I guess a more indignant no could be there. Maybe a situation where the pragmatic solution would be for voice actor to play it straight rather than injecting the remorseful tone into it.
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Post by opuspace on Feb 28, 2019 16:20:51 GMT
Maybe that scene should have only played if you had flirted with her at some point, as you would have shown enough interest that her asking if you wanted to get freaky in Zero-G would be something she'd assume you were naturally up for? The issue isn't that it happens. That's part of Peebee's characterization. The problem is Ryder's response, or limited options. As WC says, the tone is remorseful. I think it's one thing to be a bit sad if someone, especially if you consider them a friend, confessed their feelings and you don't reciprocate, but here she's propositioning you, which is considerably more uncomfortable and awkward as hell. She makes it even worse with the "I don't care if you're involved with someone else" line. I knew the scene was coming and still felt super weird about it and it would have affected how my Scott was around her for a while afterward. It reminds me a lot of when talking to Samantha Traynor as a straight Femshep. If you're not locked in, her shower scene tends to make Shepard seem like they're seriously considering joining her. Same with the hot tub scene as well. Being accused of staring inappropriately at her put me off of inviting her over as it sounded like Traynor had no respect for Shepard being in a committed relationship to someone else or simply not interested.
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 28, 2019 17:42:00 GMT
The issue isn't that it happens. That's part of Peebee's characterization. The problem is Ryder's response, or limited options. As WC says, the tone is remorseful. I think it's one thing to be a bit sad if someone, especially if you consider them a friend, confessed their feelings and you don't reciprocate, but here she's propositioning you, which is considerably more uncomfortable and awkward as hell. She makes it even worse with the "I don't care if you're involved with someone else" line. I knew the scene was coming and still felt super weird about it and it would have affected how my Scott was around her for a while afterward. It reminds me a lot of when talking to Samantha Traynor as a straight Femshep. If you're not locked in, her shower scene tends to make Shepard seem like they're seriously considering joining her. Same with the hot tub scene as well. Being accused of staring inappropriately at her put me off of inviting her over as it sounded like Traynor had no respect for Shepard being in a committed relationship to someone else or simply not interested. I’d completely forgotten traynor having a go at my shep in citadel.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Feb 28, 2019 18:28:06 GMT
The issue isn't that it happens. That's part of Peebee's characterization. The problem is Ryder's response, or limited options. As WC says, the tone is remorseful. I think it's one thing to be a bit sad if someone, especially if you consider them a friend, confessed their feelings and you don't reciprocate, but here she's propositioning you, which is considerably more uncomfortable and awkward as hell. She makes it even worse with the "I don't care if you're involved with someone else" line. I knew the scene was coming and still felt super weird about it and it would have affected how my Scott was around her for a while afterward. It reminds me a lot of when talking to Samantha Traynor as a straight Femshep. If you're not locked in, her shower scene tends to make Shepard seem like they're seriously considering joining her. Same with the hot tub scene as well. Being accused of staring inappropriately at her put me off of inviting her over as it sounded like Traynor had no respect for Shepard being in a committed relationship to someone else or simply not interested. I love Sam but I hate how her character fell under the hot lesbians trope because that hot tub scene is fetichized even with male Shep, it's disgusting. Hope the next ME game is less hurhur dudebro and stop with the childish wanker narrative. Ugh getting "who would push her off" memories right now and I feel dirty...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 18:28:53 GMT
^ This answered the question I was asked above. I don't go into great details when I post cause I always assume people actually have played the games and notice the things like the way our characters will drool over certain characters no matter how we play them. Also, I don't post here much, cause everyone gets so uppity if you don't go into great detail about what you mean with every statement. You did not mention the faces Hawke makes. The dialogue you used as an example was not a case of taking away player agency. Asking you to clarify is not being uppity.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 18:39:53 GMT
Roxana was like super frustrating to talk to, because every second choice had the heart dialogue on first position, but once you beat her at the race and you talk on that blanket, she flirts with you and you can tell her you don't feel that way about her, you wish each other luck at the competition, and that's that. Frustrating, but nothing like the shitty dlc. I believe there is another romance in the base game where you are presented with a dialogue choice, and both options are flirts. Only after can you then refuse her advances. Put the game down for a while after that.
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 28, 2019 20:07:53 GMT
That’s why now I wait until I’m locked into a romance before triggering it since if you are committed PeeBee doesn’t proposition you and just thanks you. Really? I guess that didn't trigger for me since I intentionally held off on the Gil lock-in for RP reasons. Lock ins can help. I remember first time round having an incredibly awkward lunch with kaidan in me3 with my heterosexual shep who was in along term thing with Miranda but was still waiting for chance to lock.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 28, 2019 21:34:39 GMT
Oh vidyagaems.
"You CAN be gay, but first we'll make you be straight. Who knows? Maybe you'll prefer it, huh? Huh?"
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Post by Polka Dot on Mar 1, 2019 2:43:04 GMT
Isabela did flirt in that instance, and everyone is fine with that (but how dare Anders do it!!!1), but Hawke's line was "I'll watch your back." She made it into an innuendo. To me the issue with that scene is the goofy smile Hawke gets when Isabela mentions that she has a room at the Hanged Man; it looks like they're interested. IIRC, that scene got a lot of pushback and Hawke's reaction was changed in a patch. (Also, tbf I'm not sure people were interpreting it as it was intended. I read it as Hawke being somewhat bemused or surprised at how forward she was.) The fact is it's a problem for me as a player that our characters always are programmed to react a certain way to female characters of the opposite sex. Yet they claim we can be whatever sexuality we want to be if that is true then the content should reflect our choices not assume such things. FTFY. My FemSheps were always presumed to be involved with Kaidan in ME1, and could not attempt a friendly conversation with Jacob without dropping into a stomach-turning sultry pose and voice. In ME3, my very out lesbian Shep couldn't get past a couple of conversations with Vega without exchanging sexual innuendos. Also, I needed to make sure to lock in Liara or Traynor before the citadel meet-up with Kaidan. As for DAO, I learned pretty quickly not to get too friendly with Alistair until I'd locked in Leliana, lest I end up with a rose stuck in my inventory. Speaking of which, I very nearly drove poor old Wynne batty once chatting with her when neither of them were locked in (I never flirt with Alistair, ever, but his approval builds). She started in with the relationship lecture, switching off between Leliana and Alistair every other sentence. It was pretty funny. They did handle Garrus really well - if you opted not to take the flirt option in ME2, you could remain best buddies. It's always a tightrope. Some people really want LIs to show interest first, others don't like having to turn them down. I personally get a little uncomfortable with the idea of hitting on a subordinate, but otherwise I think they should just do whatever they think best suits the character.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 1, 2019 3:29:26 GMT
It reminds me a lot of when talking to Samantha Traynor as a straight Femshep. If you're not locked in, her shower scene tends to make Shepard seem like they're seriously considering joining her. Same with the hot tub scene as well. Being accused of staring inappropriately at her put me off of inviting her over as it sounded like Traynor had no respect for Shepard being in a committed relationship to someone else or simply not interested. Especially as regardless of Shepard's gender or relationship status, you're still her boss! If the positions were reversed and Shepard decided to get into the shower or hot-tub, while still holding a conversation with her as normal, wouldn't this seem super-inappropriate?
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