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Post by eliscous on Dec 11, 2018 17:09:30 GMT
I could not find a relating topic so I have created one. Who had romance Jacob? What was your impression? Would you recomande it?
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 13, 2018 4:12:57 GMT
Sorry, never did it. I've only heard about it. From what I understand, it's not that great and the follow up in ME3 is downright terrible.
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Post by obbie1984 on Dec 20, 2018 22:32:10 GMT
The general consensus for Jacob is overwhelmingly negative. Usually when something has a lot of haters, there are at least some people who truly like it or will defend it. But in Jacob's case, I have never seen anyone say anything good about his romance period. I know what happens and I don't want to spoil it if you do want to do it.
But it is not recommended in the slightest. Jacob's romance is written and acted poorly. Femshep acts really thirsty while Jacob acts very stilted and dull. There is pretty much only one good scene and its not even a romance scene. It is a pre-romance scene before you lock it in. Into ME3, it somehow gets even worse and femshep can potentially come off creepy and weird as well. If he is not romanced, Jacob is a nice, normal, and boring guy. But romanced, he is like a different person. Especially strange because in typical Bioware fashion, it feels like they are sort of nudging you to romance him and telling you what a good and nice guy he is.
Don't do it. The prize is not worth it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 22:10:47 GMT
It feels like a forced romance from the moment your female Shepard speaks to Jacob, and if you attempt to pursue it, it then feels like you are forcing Jacob into something he's not sure he wants, and if you succeed, you learn quickly in 3 that it was doomed from the start. I always remained his friend and felt much more satisfied in both 2 and 3 with our relationship.
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Post by eliscous on Dec 28, 2018 8:49:10 GMT
Thank you all for your replies. I am not really fond of creepy and forced relationship I have only played a Shep friendly with Jacob and he seams a nice guy. It is a shame that he is not as nice if romanced. I don't think I will try that so feel free to spoil me ;)What are the differences in term of storytelling in ME3 with a romanced Jacob? Because if he is a friend he is in a relationship with a doc, who is by that time pregnant.
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Post by Curious Crow on Dec 28, 2018 12:29:08 GMT
Thank you all for your replies. I am not really fond of creepy and forced relationship I have only played a Shep friendly with Jacob and he seams a nice guy. It is a shame that he is not as nice if romanced. I don't think I will try that so feel free to spoil me ;)What are the differences in term of storytelling in ME3 with a romanced Jacob? Because if he is a friend he is in a relationship with a doc, who is by that time pregnant. Basically the same, he's in the relationship with the doc, she's pregnant and he tells you that you were too obsessed with the Normandy and the relationship was never going to work because of that. And like cool, but it would have been nice to know you felt that way before you impregnated that chick. Just sayin' Also the doctor also tells you that she knew you had a thing going on, she didn't give a damn and honestly just worked harder for him to get with her. So a classy lady right there. I actually kinda liked the romance in the second game and wouldn't have minded it in this game, IF Shepard had shown any emotion or at least had some form of dignity. Like you have the option to say "That hurt" in the same manner you would say if a child lightly punched your arm. Or say I don't care, I still want to bang and then be creepy and desperate until he tells you to bugger off. So I would not recommend it even for the dramas sake, since it's so pathetically lukewarm it's not even funny.
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Post by eliscous on Dec 28, 2018 12:56:30 GMT
Thank you all for your replies. I am not really fond of creepy and forced relationship I have only played a Shep friendly with Jacob and he seams a nice guy. It is a shame that he is not as nice if romanced. I don't think I will try that so feel free to spoil me ;)What are the differences in term of storytelling in ME3 with a romanced Jacob? Because if he is a friend he is in a relationship with a doc, who is by that time pregnant. Basically the same, he's in the relationship with the doc, she's pregnant and he tells you that you were too obsessed with the Normandy and the relationship was never going to work because of that. And like cool, but it would have been nice to know you felt that way before you impregnated that chick. Just sayin' Also the doctor also tells you that she knew you had a thing going on, she didn't give a damn and honestly just worked harder for him to get with her. So a classy lady right there. I actually kinda liked the romance in the second game and wouldn't have minded it in this game, IF Shepard had shown any emotion or at least had some form of dignity. Like you have the option to say "That hurt" in the same manner you would say if a child lightly punched your arm. Or say I don't care, I still want to bang and then be creepy and desperate until he tells you to bugger off. So I would not recommend it even for the dramas sake, since it's so pathetically lukewarm it's not even funny. Thank you for your honnest answer. The relationship with Shep is very .....weird. A non romanced Jacob seams different, nicer and his relationship with the doc really cute. I think I will leave it just that way. But for those who romanced Jacob I say poor Shepard . It reminds me of Gorim (the dwarf in DAO / noble dwarf background)
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 31, 2018 6:01:06 GMT
Jacob was interesting at the start of ME2, but a combination of Shepard's sexual harassment voice and his standoffishness quickly encouraged me to keep clear. Which turned out for the best. A shame, because Jacob as a character had some potential but he was written to be rather unsympathetic in 3.
If you are looking for romance with your FemShep, I think people were most satisfied with Garrus, Kaidan and Liara because they had the most content during the trilogy (each of them can be a love interest for up to 2 of the three games). If you don't romance Garrus in ME2 you cannot romance him in ME3, but IIRC both Liara and Kaidan are available in 3 whether or not you romanced them in 1.
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Post by sageoflife on Dec 31, 2018 19:38:41 GMT
To this day no one knows who actually wrote Jacob in ME3; no one is willing to come forward to take responsibility for that one.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 1, 2019 1:25:25 GMT
Honestly, I wasn't a fan of him from pretty early on. When you get into conversation with him and he says he left the Alliance to join a terrorist organization because there was too much red tape - he lost me there. Bureaucracy has red tape. Welcome to the world. And since the Alliance probably fought Cerberus, it makes no sense for him to join the enemy because the Alliance wasn't effectively fighting against the people he's joining. He came off as an idiot to me. Loyal to Shepard, yeah, but his motivations were crazy stupid.
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Post by eliscous on Jan 2, 2019 9:39:46 GMT
Honestly, I wasn't a fan of him from pretty early on. When you get into conversation with him and he says he left the Alliance to join a terrorist organization because there was too much red tape - he lost me there. Bureaucracy has red tape. Welcome to the world. And since the Alliance probably fought Cerberus, it makes no sense for him to join the enemy because the Alliance wasn't effectively fighting against the people he's joining. He came off as an idiot to me. Loyal to Shepard, yeah, but his motivations were crazy stupid. He never pretented to be clever ;-) He knows he is only a soldier. He is paid to act not to think. He knows there is a lot of people far more clever than him. So I was not surprise that his motivations were not very logical...
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jan 23, 2019 22:10:48 GMT
I came into Mass Effect by ways of ME2 so...Jacob actually was my first Mass Effect romance (at least until I bought ME1 and fell for Kaidan ) in my opinion Jacob isn't a bad romance option perse, though the fact that he ah...kinda 'moves on' during ME3 while the other two male romance options in ME2 (Garrus and Thane)stay loyal to Shepard despite the whole incarcerated thing, that's a bit sour imo as for the whole romance arc itself...hm...Shepard seems a bit to hungry for my taste in that one (been a while since I romanced Jacob though, Kaidan keeps trapping me with his puppy eyes )
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Post by Sonya on Jan 8, 2020 12:41:39 GMT
In all my many PTs Jacob -romance never crossed my mind - there are characters in games about whom I think only as friends nothing more, like Bull/Isi/Merrill/Jacob/Miri. Jacob is not my favorite character though I try to use him now more often in squad, but my opinion about him: a flat character, w/o anything interesting. I agree with him in some thoughts, e,g, the council did nothing, Cerberus at least acted. That's actuallly all.
Later I out of curiosity watched his romance in the internet: that's just aweful in the part where he insults Garrus or Thane, He just showed his true face + some other miinor things about his behavior.
It's a good thing I never thought of him as a romance option. But still try to use his in the game (for now not so successful, but I think practice will resolve the matter).
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Post by melbella on Jan 9, 2020 2:18:52 GMT
Even without the offensiveness that is romanced Jacob in ME3, Jacob's romance in ME2 was pretty awful. Brynn can have him, if I decide to let him live to be imported.
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Post by Sonya on Jan 9, 2020 7:49:12 GMT
if I decide to let him live to be imported. he was eager to go to the vents if I recall. Many people didn't object from what I've read... Jacob's romance in ME2 was pretty awful. what irritated me when I watched his romance in the internet that he had, in comparison with everyone else (even with so beloved my others Miri/Tali/Thane/Garrus), pretty much content. There are so many dialogues with him about himself, about his father, about something else (don't remember even); so much talking with him! You even can start a romance with him before his LM unlike with other companions. So Jacob is just pushed to the player to romance him and later learn "Notmandy is your only love" (yeah, sure).
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Post by winterking on Jan 9, 2020 17:18:31 GMT
You get to slap him in the Citadel DLC. That's about the only positive thing I can think of.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 4, 2020 2:17:29 GMT
You get to slap him in the Citadel DLC. That's about the only positive thing I can think of. I have let Jacob die in ME2 but I think the storyline is better in ME3 if he survives.
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 25, 2020 19:41:56 GMT
Straight up booty call. Obviously.
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Post by merylisk on May 16, 2020 1:27:05 GMT
I see his romance with Shepard as two very lonely, traumatized people finding what they know is a temporary port in a storm. They don't really trust each other and they know it's not love, even if they wish it could be. I did it on a Shepard who went back to Kaidan in ME3, so it fit her story really well.
Like, Shepard literally has a picture of Kaidan in her cabin. Sure, she flips it down, but Jacob's not an idiot, he obviously picks up on the fact that Shepard isn't over someone else. I mean, you literally have a conversation with him about it after Horizon (he's one of the only characters who will actively talk to Shepard about their feelings on this). So, given that, I feel like it makes sense that he would have his guard up. And he's not wrong to, considering that in my case at least, Shepard was like "Jacob who?" the second Kaidan was back in the picture.
His romance definitely doesn't work super well on it's own, but in the context of continuing with either Kaidan or Liara in ME1 and 3, his romance actually feels pretty emotionally authentic and makes for a good interlude.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 16, 2020 17:12:27 GMT
Poor Jacob. So misunderstood.
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Post by Sonya on May 30, 2020 13:56:13 GMT
Poor Jacob. So misunderstood. Care to elaborate, please?
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 30, 2020 14:26:03 GMT
Poor Jacob. So misunderstood. Care to elaborate, please? What if I don't ? I liked his initial premise and his own comment (before Freedom's Progress) about Cerberus and the Alliance. He is in Cerberus because he sees too much of the bureaucracy and ineffective approach of the Alliance; I thought this was profoundly interesting, because you can tell very early on that Jacob has integrity and is very concerned about the moral implications of his actions, as well as Cerberus'. Unfortunately it all comes downhill with his personal mission: the issue becomes his father and the crew... and then all the potential is wasted. All in all, Jacob offered a very interesting story that never got developed because Bioware, for better or worse, was really interested in telling that other story.
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Post by Sonya on May 30, 2020 14:41:05 GMT
What if I don't ? So "don't", it is a simple question, nothing else. I liked his initial premise and his own comment (before Freedom's Progress) about Cerberus and the Alliance. He is in Cerberus because he sees too much of the bureaucracy and ineffective approach of the Alliance; I thought this was profoundly interesting, because you can tell very early on that Jacob has integrity and is very concerned about the moral implications of his actions, as well as Cerberus'. Unfortunately it all comes downhill with his personal mission: the issue becomes his father and the crew... and then all the potential is wasted. All in all, Jacob offered a very interesting story that never got developed because Bioware, for better or worse, was really interested in telling that other story. I agreee with what you have mentioned. Though it is about his "romance". Have you seen it actually? In ME2 what he tells about others (Garrus/Thane/no romance) if you dump him using polite phrases? Or ME3 where players are angry and when you talk to that Cole with a child (that bitch is even rude with your PC for no good reason). I did not romance Jacob, have never thought about him as LI, though have seen in the internet his "ROMANCE" which is aweful with some outcomes and dialogue options. What you have mentioned - is another part of his persnality, not connected with his "romance part".
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Post by cyberpunker on Jun 5, 2020 8:36:18 GMT
I see his romance with Shepard as two very lonely, traumatized people finding what they know is a temporary port in a storm. They don't really trust each other and they know it's not love, even if they wish it could be. I did it on a Shepard who went back to Kaidan in ME3, so it fit her story really well. Like, Shepard literally has a picture of Kaidan in her cabin. Sure, she flips it down, but Jacob's not an idiot, he obviously picks up on the fact that Shepard isn't over someone else. I mean, you literally have a conversation with him about it after Horizon (he's one of the only characters who will actively talk to Shepard about their feelings on this). So, given that, I feel like it makes sense that he would have his guard up. And he's not wrong to, considering that in my case at least, Shepard was like "Jacob who?" the second Kaidan was back in the picture. His romance definitely doesn't work super well on it's own, but in the context of continuing with either Kaidan or Liara in ME1 and 3, his romance actually feels pretty emotionally authentic and makes for a good interlude. I like this assessment. Most of the Shepards cheated on their ME1 lover. Jacob simply cheated on Shepard and everyone hates him for it LOL. It was Bioware's way of metagaming or trolling the players, in that Shepard can cheat on his/her lover, and so can Jacob cheat on Shepard.
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Post by Sonya on Jun 5, 2020 10:56:04 GMT
Most of the Shepards cheated on their ME1 lover. Jacob simply cheated on Shepard and everyone hates him for it In ME2 VS made it clear "we are done". In ME3 you can be angry with Ash e.g. about that "You said we are done and now you are angry I moved on?". So it is actually a questionable thing about cheating on VS. With Jacob we did not see any such dialogues. That is why people call it "cheating" and hate for that (I do not care, just watching from aside which is a good thing - helps assess the situation with a clear head).
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