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Post by Spectr61 on Feb 26, 2021 11:37:47 GMT
Possibly this is good news, and may signal the arrival of some true adult leadership. Or at least supervision.
Git rid of the flip floppers that provide no hard vision or focus. (Hudson, et. al.)
Shit-can the distractions (Anthem). Focus on what got them to where they once were. (SP with gud RP)
Effectively reboot the entire studio(s).
No way it should take 10 years between iterations of same title, if that is your goal.
Focus, accountability, and delivery.
We shall see. (But I'm not entirely optimistic - Walters is still cockroaching around.)
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Feb 26, 2021 12:30:39 GMT
Who knows, maybe they can dig up the original Morrison (that was the name of the first iteration I think? Or was it Joplin?).
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 26, 2021 12:53:07 GMT
I am quite curious on how you know how far they are in development given there is little specific indications. Last thing we got an indication of was i believe the VGA BTS thing where they mentioned they were in early production...so they would still be in early production. Not late. Also worth mentioning because by your own postings you suggested late 2023 as a possible release date now...which has pretty much always been a possibility...and that date is still over 2 years out. So if you are right there is nothing to suggest they are late in production at all. At the very least, the gameplay prototyping, that must have been done to some extent, that accommodated the MP should be changed to be better suited for a SP only game. Not to say that it will need to be scrapped and restarted from scratch, but at the very least some amendments would need to be made. Or they could leave it as is. If DA 4 was intended to be an Anthem clone then this could require a significant retooling and another delay. As far as I know, this was closer to the idea of the work being done to DA4. I can't speak with certainty, as my interest in DA4 remains rather low, regardless, so I haven't been following as closely. But I am getting all the more confident that we won't be getting a 2023 release date at all, but rather straight to 2024. One of the things I do need to say, though, is that a lot of work is being put into developing tools for the studio. These tools are being developed in a priority basis and will work on them as development requires them, to meet what the game demands. It's something that Bioware has been working on, in greater degree, the past couple of years, rather than the games themselves. So while the games aren't being worked on, work for the games is being made. If that makes any sense. One of the most important aspects of this "live service" update delivery system, for me, would be that the games would be feature complete, on launch and not leave loose ends for future DLC to wrap up, or withholding vital content for DLCs. Because, as we've seen with ME3, DA:I and Andromeda, receptions of these games, or at least the manner of the delivery of their DLCs, have not been positive.
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Post by sni2 on Feb 26, 2021 15:45:13 GMT
I am quite curious on how you know how far they are in development given there is little specific indications. Last thing we got an indication of was i believe the VGA BTS thing where they mentioned they were in early production...so they would still be in early production. Not late. Also worth mentioning because by your own postings you suggested late 2023 as a possible release date now...which has pretty much always been a possibility...and that date is still over 2 years out. So if you are right there is nothing to suggest they are late in production at all. At the very least, the gameplay prototyping, that must have been done to some extent, that accommodated the MP should be changed to be better suited for a SP only game. Not to say that it will need to be scrapped and restarted from scratch, but at the very least some amendments would need to be made. Or they could leave it as is. If DA 4 was intended to be an Anthem clone then this could require a significant retooling and another delay. As far as I know, this was closer to the idea of the work being done to DA4. I can't speak with certainty, as my interest in DA4 remains rather low, regardless, so I haven't been following as closely. But I am getting all the more confident that we won't be getting a 2023 release date at all, but rather straight to 2024. Meanwhile I'm expecting a 2023 release of an unfinished product for them to patch it through 2024 despite scraping live service features.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 26, 2021 16:03:08 GMT
Meanwhile I'm expecting a 2023 release of an unfinished product for them to patch it through 2024 despite scraping live service features. I was expecting an announcement for a 2023 release, with a delay to 2024. I'm fairly sure we're just going for a 2024 release outright, now.
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Post by Fredward on Feb 26, 2021 16:26:55 GMT
Don't say 2024 I'll be so old by then.
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Post by biggydx on Feb 26, 2021 18:55:18 GMT
Don't say 2024 I'll be so old by then. You're already old Fred!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 19:30:09 GMT
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Post by colfoley on Feb 26, 2021 19:30:11 GMT
I am quite curious on how you know how far they are in development given there is little specific indications. Last thing we got an indication of was i believe the VGA BTS thing where they mentioned they were in early production...so they would still be in early production. Not late. Also worth mentioning because by your own postings you suggested late 2023 as a possible release date now...which has pretty much always been a possibility...and that date is still over 2 years out. So if you are right there is nothing to suggest they are late in production at all. At the very least, the gameplay prototyping, that must have been done to some extent, that accommodated the MP should be changed to be better suited for a SP only game. Not to say that it will need to be scrapped and restarted from scratch, but at the very least some amendments would need to be made. Or they could leave it as is. If DA 4 was intended to be an Anthem clone then this could require a significant retooling and another delay. As far as I know, this was closer to the idea of the work being done to DA4. I can't speak with certainty, as my interest in DA4 remains rather low, regardless, so I haven't been following as closely. But I am getting all the more confident that we won't be getting a 2023 release date at all, but rather straight to 2024. One of the things I do need to say, though, is that a lot of work is being put into developing tools for the studio. These tools are being developed in a priority basis and will work on them as development requires them, to meet what the game demands. It's something that Bioware has been working on, in greater degree, the past couple of years, rather than the games themselves. So while the games aren't being worked on, work for the games is being made. If that makes any sense. One of the most important aspects of this "live service" update delivery system, for me, would be that the games would be feature complete, on launch and not leave loose ends for future DLC to wrap up, or withholding vital content for DLCs. Because, as we've seen with ME3, DA:I and Andromeda, receptions of these games, or at least the manner of the delivery of their DLCs, have not been positive. i disagree. DAI...which had a MP mode...had the best combat in the series. And even Anthems combat, which was weird, couldve still easily worked for a SP game.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 26, 2021 19:32:53 GMT
i disagree. DAI...which had a MP mode...had the best combat in the series. I'm going to disagree. DA:O had the best combat in the series. DA:O PC to be precise. And yes, I did play DA:O on consoles. The difference is night and day.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 26, 2021 19:36:58 GMT
i disagree. DAI...which had a MP mode...had the best combat in the series. I'm going to disagree. DA:O had the best combat in the series. DA:O PC to be precise. And yes, I did play DA:O on consoles. The difference is night and day. which is the main problem, though not one born of MP. Edit: though i am glad I'm not the only one who notices the difference.
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Post by Fredward on Feb 26, 2021 19:37:26 GMT
Don't say 2024 I'll be so old by then. You're already old Fred! Hey! 57 is the new 32.
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Post by Hrungr on Feb 26, 2021 19:57:54 GMT
Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrahTurns out you accumulate some things in 23 years... And I didn't even find the thing I was looking for - DIBS ON THE STAFF OF PARLATHAN!
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- DIBS ON THE STAFF OF PARLATHAN!
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- DIBS ON THE STAFF OF PARLATHAN!
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Post by marikahaliwell on Feb 26, 2021 20:33:55 GMT
Actually 😜 in Martian years you are 30 years old 😅😂 . Half your age plus 2 . So I am only 22. The way I feel usually 😂 until my back stars to hurt
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 26, 2021 20:40:18 GMT
Actually 😜 in Martian years you are 30 years old 😅😂 . Half your age plus 2 . So I am only 22. The way I feel usually 😂 until my back stars to hurt FredwardOn Jupiter you're only 4 years, 9 months. On Saturn you're just shy of 2 years. On Uranus you're only 8 months. On Neptune you're only 4 months. On Pluto you're only 2 months and 3 weeks.
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Post by Gileadan on Feb 26, 2021 20:44:33 GMT
While oddly enough, on the other end 25 is the new 15.
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Post by telanadas on Feb 27, 2021 7:53:29 GMT
First of all - I never said they were in late stage of development, I said "this late in development". "This late in development" can still be pre production, you know that right? They are beyond the "are we making multiplayer? Singleplayer?" stage. That's literally one of the first decisions game makers should ever make. Exactly, this is what amazes me about the development of this game. I am not a game designer but I would have thought the foundation of a game hinges on whether or not it is single player or multi-player focused. If they were going to add on a multi-player component after the main story like DAI, fine. But my personal read of the article is that they were actually considering a complete multiplayer experience for DA4. Considering we got the teaser in 2018 and it is now 2021, I would have thought the SP or MP decision would have been done and dusted by now so they can actually focus on developing how the story and gameplay will work. But if the article is correct, and they only decided to make it single-player in "recent months" then....wow. Just wow.
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Post by Rascoth on Feb 27, 2021 8:05:13 GMT
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Post by Adia on Feb 27, 2021 10:27:19 GMT
First of all - I never said they were in late stage of development, I said "this late in development". "This late in development" can still be pre production, you know that right? They are beyond the "are we making multiplayer? Singleplayer?" stage. That's literally one of the first decisions game makers should ever make. Exactly, this is what amazes me about the development of this game. I am not a game designer but I would have thought the foundation of a game hinges on whether or not it is single player or multi-player focused. If they were going to add on a multi-player component after the main story like DAI, fine. But my personal read of the article is that they were actually considering a complete multiplayer experience for DA4. Considering we got the teaser in 2018 and it is now 2021, I would have thought the SP or MP decision would have been done and dusted by now so they can actually focus on developing how the story and gameplay will work. But if the article is correct, and they only decided to make it single-player in "recent months" then....wow. Just wow. DA4 is far, far away, that's for sure. If it's sooner than that I really doubt it's going to be as good as it could've been, and we'll be left with another game that has design or story issues, like DA:I and ME:A. I really don't have much confidence in DA4. Before this news it was an instant buy for me. Now, I'm going to have to wait a few days and see. I dislike how everyone consider this good news because to me, at best, it's very bittersweet news. At worst, it means that Hudson lied, because he said that Dragon Age is a SP property and that it will be treated as such. It's insane how we've gone from getting a new game every 2-3 years, to waiting 9 years for a single one. In that time span we would've gotten DA4 in 2017, DA5 in 2020, and DA6 in 2023. Instead we're just waiting on just DA4 to release around 2023.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 27, 2021 10:28:15 GMT
But my personal read of the article is that they were actually considering a complete multiplayer experience for DA4. "The next Dragon Age, which doesn’t yet have an official title or release date, had previously been designed with a heavy multiplayer component, said the people, who asked not to be named because they were not authorized to speak to the press. In recent months, it has transformed into a single-player-only game after EA was stung by a recent multiplayer flop." It don't think it was every going to be exclusively multi-player but future content released to expand on the game would likely only be for the multi-player part. Likely the single-player component, in other words the bit completing the Solas story, would have been fairly small time wise but after that had been completed you could go off and explore other areas that were unconnected to resolving his story (like JoH). It is also possible that like ME3 it would be necessary to complete multi-player missions to improve your chances in the single player story. This was a particular annoyance of mine before the Extended Cut rectified this and allowed me access to all possible options without having to do multi-player missions. Mind you, the fact that we were told at one time how they were using "Anthem codes" for programming on the game, did sound suspicious bearing in mind Anthem was multi-player. There is the possibility that they could have done what they did with Baldurs Gate 2, where you could follow the story either on the single player path or with friends in multi-player, thus eliminating the need for the companions offered. However, both paths followed the same story and accessed the same content no matter how you choose to do it. I think this is unlikely though since that has not been the way multi-player has worked in their recent games. There is nothing wrong with including a multi-player component for people who enjoy that approach. However, it should not be anything other than the way it was added with DAI, which did not detract from the main story or impact on it in any way. The fact that the current game formerly had "a heavy multi-player component" suggests it was going to be something more than what they did with DAI, as does the declaration they have now transformed it into "single player only". If the multi-player was not impacting on the main story line, you would not speak of transforming the game but merely dropping the multi-player element. I do wonder how much the game is going to be delayed because of this.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Feb 27, 2021 14:44:41 GMT
First of all - I never said they were in late stage of development, I said "this late in development". "This late in development" can still be pre production, you know that right? They are beyond the "are we making multiplayer? Singleplayer?" stage. That's literally one of the first decisions game makers should ever make. Exactly, this is what amazes me about the development of this game. I am not a game designer but I would have thought the foundation of a game hinges on whether or not it is single player or multi-player focused. If they were going to add on a multi-player component after the main story like DAI, fine. But my personal read of the article is that they were actually considering a complete multiplayer experience for DA4. Considering we got the teaser in 2018 and it is now 2021, I would have thought the SP or MP decision would have been done and dusted by now so they can actually focus on developing how the story and gameplay will work. But if the article is correct, and they only decided to make it single-player in "recent months" then....wow. Just wow. I honestly think the “multiplayer” was going to be something along the lines of “players dropping in as a companion” - as concept art shows the PC and companions working together by having specific roles - we see a distraction, muscle, silent killer, etc. Other players would then join in and, assumingly, the hook would be to see how other players make decisions and how those decisions would affect the world. That’s just a guess. But if my guess is correct then I don’t think it would affect the SP story TOO much, as in, it doesn’t have to be reworked besides tweaks to gameplay. I mean, realistically, they should have already designed the SP story so that anyone playing *alone* would still enjoy it. So I’m not too worried.
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