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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Oct 16, 2021 12:40:38 GMT
Well while we will get a graphical increase, which pretty much comes up with each new game anyways, more tech will mean more room and resources for things like 'better'/ more complicated plots and characters. Now of course this does not mean they will be better just that more resources can be devoted to more then just graphics. More memory, and MUCH faster I/O are the keys on new consoles/PC. Faster I/O also means we could move faster in the world if we compare to the mounts in DAI (which were streaming speed restricted down to PS3/X360 levels I think?) for example.
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 16, 2021 13:06:21 GMT
Sometimes it's not about the graphical increases you can get with a new generation of hardware, it's less limitations you have to worry about.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 16, 2021 15:59:51 GMT
Kinda thought so myself.... and what does this mean? Bio is ignoring the mundane who can't afford the next and greatest? Do we really need some more graphics awe?
Give me deep characters, a good story, meaningful quests, I say. I'll drop the "your decisions matters" crapola.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 16, 2021 16:37:24 GMT
Bioware can't win now can day? Made a decision to release DAI on last gen 360/PS3 and Xbox One/PS4, people whine about the graphical tears on both consoles. Bioware decides to focus purely on current gen people go "think of the poor people!!!!" Perhaps maybe they chose this after Bioware struggled to implement DAI on the Xbox One and PS4. Honestly, I think it's a good move. It's too far removed from the launch of new consoles, by 2024 and with AMD and Nvidia jumping process to TSMC's and Samsung's 5nm and 6nm (I think) respectively, that means 7nm production is freed up and expected to ramp up for consoles, who will continue to pump out silicon in that process, bar a refresh. Nvidia already stopped production of their 8nm Samsung chips and are moving to smaller nodes. So TSMC can ramp up their 7nm production line to exclusively serve console SOCs. I'd expect console availability to increase in the later half of 2022 and be readily in stock in all related retail stores throughout 2023. And to all those people just craving for new games in those new consoles, DA4 may find an audience. Sucks to be them.
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Post by Spectr61 on Oct 16, 2021 18:38:52 GMT
Well while we will get a graphical increase, which pretty much comes up with each new game anyways, more tech will mean more room and resources for things like 'better'/ more complicated plots and characters. Now of course this does not mean they will be better just that more resources can be devoted to more then just graphics. More memory, and MUCH faster I/O are the keys on new consoles/PC. Faster I/O also means we could move faster in the world if we compare to the mounts in DAI (which were streaming speed restricted down to PS3/X360 levels I think?) for example. -Sigh- The short pole in the tent is always the durn consoles. Combined with the backward comparability issue for older, even less capable consoles, quite a challenge for the devs. I'm just hoping for a good port job, unlike the mess that was/is DAI's.
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Post by necrowaif on Oct 16, 2021 19:21:54 GMT
It’s now easier to develop games for the XBox Series X than it is for PC from what I’ve heard. Especially since the Chinese snatched up all the graphics cards to mine Bitcoin.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 16, 2021 20:40:40 GMT
It’s now easier to develop games for the XBox Series X than it is for PC from what I’ve heard. Especially since the Chinese snatched up all the graphics cards to mine Bitcoin. I mean... either Xbox or PS have one, maybe two, set ups of hardware/software, compared to PCs that can have a zillion of individualized configurations, so it's definitely easier to develop games on one or two specific devices like consoles just on that front.
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Post by wickedcool on Oct 17, 2021 3:39:25 GMT
Have game companies just delayed product until these consoles are easier to get
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Post by biggydx on Oct 17, 2021 3:59:50 GMT
Have game companies just delayed product until these consoles are easier to get I'd say the delays are more due to COVID causing developmental woes that the proliferation of consoles, though it's certainly an issue that they can't be really produced en-masse right now.
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Post by Spectr61 on Oct 17, 2021 15:36:49 GMT
You miss the point.
Of course it is easier to develop games for consoles - lower specs that are uniform.
Resulting, of course, in a lower spec, crappier experience.
The tyranny of mediocrity.
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Post by wickedcool on Oct 17, 2021 16:25:09 GMT
So if da4 is for only the newest next gen and next gen is still hard to get then BioWare is in no rush and financially it makes sense to wait. You want pc and the new console release all at once with maximum impact that first release window
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 17, 2021 19:20:47 GMT
You miss the point. Of course it is easier to develop games for consoles - lower specs that are uniform. Resulting, of course, in a lower spec, crappier experience. The tyranny of mediocrity. Yes, because - as we all know - all PC are always better than consoles spec-wise And I say this as PC player... I mean, it's not like I have to now delay my PC's upgrade (the last significant one cost me several consoles), because to have anything decent these days (and I actually need a decent PC for more than just gaming) one has to sell an arm and a leg. Also - consoles may be 'mediocre', but they allow more people to buy and experience games, thanks to which gaming has entered mainstream and is now considered the pillar of entertainment industry. Heck, apps on smartphones probably did a lot more for propagation and acceptance of gaming than any PC or console in existence. It's not tyranny - it's push and pull of different pros and cons.
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Post by Spectr61 on Oct 17, 2021 20:04:24 GMT
Nah.
Just dumbing down to the lowest, cheapest common denominator.
If that is not a tyranny of mediocrity, what is?
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Post by colfoley on Oct 17, 2021 20:31:10 GMT
You miss the point. Of course it is easier to develop games for consoles - lower specs that are uniform. Resulting, of course, in a lower spec, crappier experience. The tyranny of mediocrity. Nah. Just dumbing down to the lowest, cheapest common denominator. If that is not a tyranny of mediocrity, what is? And that's the other extreme heard from.
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Oct 17, 2021 20:46:36 GMT
Mass Effect got developed with primarily the Xbox 360 in mind at the time.
And Dragon Age Origins worked fine on it.
Bring on the mediocrity of consoles if I get them once again, instead of Inquisition and other recent releases from Bioware's tenure.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 17, 2021 23:13:43 GMT
DAI is awesome thank you very much.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 17, 2021 23:16:51 GMT
DAI is awesome thank you very much. Best game Bioware has made. Ignoring Trespasser.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 18, 2021 0:04:11 GMT
Nah. Just dumbing down to the lowest, cheapest common denominator. If that is not a tyranny of mediocrity, what is? Welp, that's just oversimplifying the issue of a compromise between quality or scope of work with most widespread tech to run it, and attempting to make it sound poetic to cover the fact that that it's just a vapid, meaningless non-argument... Anyway, I do find it bizarre when people seem to think that only the best tech and materials can bring the best experience and best creative work. What nonsense. As if some of the most acclaimed games haven't been released on consoles. Does the fact that I use a pencil - the lowest and cheapest common denominator available to all - and not the best paint in the world means the art I can make with it is less valuable? While things like console's technical limitations CAN be a hamper (as can be a small budget or lack of time or crew, etc.), it can also be anything but. After all, not only in allows more people to enjoy and also create more games, but overcoming limitations is actually one of the biggest stimulants of creativity there is. Since there are attempts made to make the discussion more... lyrical than usual banter, here - have an Orson Welles quote: "the enemy of art is the absence of limitations".
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Post by colfoley on Oct 18, 2021 0:09:30 GMT
Nah. Just dumbing down to the lowest, cheapest common denominator. If that is not a tyranny of mediocrity, what is? Welp, that's just oversimplifying the issue of a compromise between quality or scope of work with most widespread tech to run it, and attempting it to make it sound poetic to cover the fact that that it's just a vapid, meaningless non-argument... Anyway, I do find it bizarre when people seem to think that only the best tech and materials can bring the best experience and best creative work. What nonsense. As if some of the most acclaimed games haven't been released on consoles. Does the fact that I use a pencil - the lowest and cheapest common denominator available to all - and not the best paint in the world means the art I can make with it is less valuable? While things like console's technical limitations CAN be a hamper (as can be a small budget or lack of time or crew, etc.), it also can also be anything but. After all, not only in allows more people to enjoy but also create more games, overcoming limitations is actually one of the biggest stimulants of creativity there is. Since there are attempts made to make the discussion more... lyrical than usual banter, here - have an Orson Welles quote: "the enemy of art is the absence of limitations". Here here. Or to quote JMS "Faith Manages". On this note to it might just be the whole reason that DAi is the best Dragon Age Game/ My favorite game of all time because of the effort and passion it took to bring it to life. Even through those limitations the team struggled on to create something truly special. And Origins, while I am sure it had its own issues, seemed to have a much smoother/ longer dev cycle to work out the kinks and while it has its moments it does seem at times kind of hollow.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Oct 18, 2021 6:59:28 GMT
The fact is, PS5's I/O is now faster than 99,9% of gaming PC's available at the moment. It has 16GB memroy, 8core zen2(or 3?) AMD CPU, ~6800 level AMD GPU (if I remember right). Its a real high end gaming/workstation PC. Its the fastest PC I have in my house too Makes sense to drop the ones that came before for new/upcoming games.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 18, 2021 7:21:09 GMT
"Inquisition sucks yo, all the opinions prove it."
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Post by The Elder King on Oct 18, 2021 8:56:13 GMT
Regardless of the console/PC war going on earlier and the side you're on, removing PS4 and One from the equation, if true, is a good move. As others said, it's not strictly an issue related to graphics (which Bioware never pushed to the limits of the generation/time they were in, anyway), but more about not having to deal with with platforms that would force them to make adjustements, and restrict them in building the game otherwise.
I don't really think it'd have an impact on the story/plot and characters, or writing overall, in any case, but it's something I appreciate, expecially since the game is going to be released in 2023 or later.
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Post by Felya87 on Oct 18, 2021 9:34:08 GMT
Additional: the lack of consoles should end in the second half of 2022 (at least by Sony's expectations).
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