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Post by colfoley on Apr 13, 2022 19:38:55 GMT
Oh good lord, I hope in the final game we won't have NPCs asking our pronouns every time We'll probably get to choose at the beginning of the game, and the NPC's will act accordingly. cyberpunk did it thus.
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Post by Elhanan's Ghost on Apr 13, 2022 19:44:53 GMT
Oh good lord, I hope in the final game we won't have NPCs asking our pronouns every time We'll probably get to choose at the beginning of the game, and the NPC's will act accordingly. Yeah, at most it'll just be an internal flag, with a separate one for body type, like in Cyberpunk.
It's hardly the end of the world, either. The 1960s ended some time ago, as I recall.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 13, 2022 19:59:11 GMT
I like Jaheira and Khalid, they didn't even mind when I accidentally turned Khalid into a woman XD I had some comedy the first time I played as I did keep them with me throughout and had also kept very much to the main path (so no moans from Jaheira). In the final battle Jaheira got roasted and Khalid completely lost his nerve and kept running all over the shot like a headless chicken. So I went after him to see if my presence would help, which inadvertently probably saved my life, and he had just recovered his senses when another one of our party was killed, so off he went again, with me in pursuit. I was so busy concentrating on what Khalid was doing that I missed the fact that the pack of creatures I had summoned had managed to kill all my enemies, so very unexpectedly I was told I had a win. It was very much a case of accidental hero. Because I had missed so much on my first run through keeping to the main plot, I opted to explore as much as possible on my second run; hence discovering that Jaheira could be a real pain but I wanted to try other companions anyway so that made a good excuse for dropping the pair of them.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 13, 2022 20:14:26 GMT
We'll probably get to choose at the beginning of the game, and the NPC's will act accordingly. Yeah, at most it'll just be an internal flag, with a separate one for body type, like in Cyberpunk. I'd argue that's entirely fitting for Cyberpunk, where all manner of body modification is possible and nearly everyone is transhuman. Less so for a quasi-medieval "everyone's covered in horse shit" setting like Dragon Age. But such is the times we live in.
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Post by The Elder King on Apr 13, 2022 20:49:48 GMT
I don't personally see the big issue with said option, if it'll be truly present in the game, even less so for opting to use them in the blog. I'd suggest that we might be leaping in assuming this option will be present in the game, just because they're using pronouns in the blog. Bioware's stance on this topic is rather well known at this point. I'd also say that there might be far bigger issues in the game, possibly, then the presence of pronoun options in the CC. Even from the blog itself, it's far more concerning that they released an update or sort without showing anything. Judging how they talked about showing the game, it seems to be that it's not something that close either. Hopefully it's just a wrong impression. Yeah, at most it'll just be an internal flag, with a separate one for body type, like in Cyberpunk. I'd argue that's entirely fitting for Cyberpunk, where all manner of body modification is possible and nearly everyone is transhuman. Less so for a quasi-medieval "everyone's covered in horse shit" setting like Dragon Age. But such is the times we live in. Setting wise, yep, Cyberpunk's setting, and in general that genre itself, it's an obvious choice for that option (and it's not really present for any kind of personal or company's stance). I can see how it doesn't work nearly as well, in theory, in a setting like Dragon Age, but it's not like they didn't touch the topic already, with Mae, Krem and the Qun. An internal flag (which, again, I wouldn't just assume it'll be present by the presence of pronouns in the blog), is going to have little impact in the plot and dialogues (unless they'd add some additional dialogues when defining your character, like some of those present in Inquisition), although I think it's quite likely that there'll be transgender characters in the game.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 13, 2022 22:13:33 GMT
I don’t have an issue with transgender characters existing in Dragon Age. That cat is thoroughly out of the bag.
But the thought of having multiple conversations about gender identities in DA4, as well as an inevitable shift to make the setting more progressive and less “offensive,” just makes me feel tired. And old.
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Post by The Elder King on Apr 13, 2022 22:29:43 GMT
I don’t have an issue with transgender characters existing in Dragon Age. That cat is thoroughly out of the bag. But the thought of having multiple conversations about gender identities in DA4, as well as an inevitable shift to make the setting more progressive and less “offensive,” just makes me feel tired. They introduced Krem in DAI, and the setting was still quite 'offensive', if you want to use the world. The Qun being accepting transgender characters didn't change a bit how they are portrayed in the IP, which isn't exactly like heroes. The various issues with nations like Tevinter and Orlais remained, they even portrayed the Grey Wardens in a bad light in the game. They shown the seeming truth on the elves' past, revealing how the Evanuris were basically the Imperium on steroids, which could possibly fuel racial tensions. I don't think all of those issues are going to disappear just because there might be multiple conversations about gender identities in DA4 (which I personally doubt would be as frequent as you think. I think it's far more likely that they'll go on a similar path that they took with Dorian, for example.). Despite their stances, racism is present and still a issue in Thedas, and they could possibly make it a central theme in the game. Visiting the Imperium, they'll likely tackle on the magocratic society of Tevinter and the issues with slavery and said society.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 13, 2022 22:48:53 GMT
They introduced Krem in DAI, and the setting was still quite 'offensive', if you want to use the world. Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I'm far from the only fan who noticed there was a considerable lightening of the setting. It wasn't as bad as some made it out to be, but it was definitely there. The Qun being accepting transgender characters didn't change a bit how they are portrayed in the IP, which isn't exactly like heroes. Not an issue, in my book. The Aqun-Athlok concept resolved a longstanding issue with the depiction of the Qunari - namely, what do they do when someone shows an aptitude for a craft that doesn't match their gender (or is a female mage). The answer: just think of them as the opposite gender. Bingo bango, let's go Rango. I'm more dreading the lighter and softer Qunari that I expect we'll end up allying with in DA4 - the nice qunari who aren't super-paranoid about magic. Those are the Qunari I saw in Tevinter Nights, minus the stupidly-named Bas-taar. The various issues with nations like Tevinter and Orlais remained Yeah, but then there were good Tevinters (the LGBTQA2+ mages) and then there were bad Tevinters (the straight, white ones). Back in DAO and DA2, race and sexuality were not immediate indicators of morality. I don't think all of those issues are going to disappear just because there might be multiple conversations about gender identities in DA4 (which I personally doubt would be as frequent as you think. I guess we'll see. But I think we're all in for a Very Special Episode of Dragon Age High where we learn important lessons about inclusiveness and unconventional family structures.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Apr 13, 2022 23:06:21 GMT
Pay attention, maybe you'll learn something.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 13, 2022 23:08:59 GMT
Pay attention, maybe you'll learn something. I doubt it. But don’t fret, I’ll probably be dead in a couple years. As I said, I’m old.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Apr 13, 2022 23:57:12 GMT
The various issues with nations like Tevinter and Orlais remained Yeah, but then there were good Tevinters (the LGBTQA2+ mages) and then there were bad Tevinters (the straight, white ones). Naaah, you should know that the good people in-universe all have to subscribe to Andrastianism, else it is villain ball or idiot ball for you. And now I'm again left wondering what's modern or "progeressive" about a western Christian-coded blob religion, given everything else is seemingly regarded as "backwards" by writing consensus.
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Post by githcheater on Apr 14, 2022 0:06:23 GMT
Pay attention, maybe you'll learn something. I doubt it. But don’t fret, I’ll probably be dead in a couple years. As I said, I’m old.
I wonder how preachy the "Very Special Episode of Dragon Age High" will be?
Fortunately for me, I am a fairly oblivious, and probably will not initially notice an occasional small "preachy moment" in DA4, as I did not really notice "Krem" or Dragonspear as preachy until I read about it later.
I am also "very old" and might not live long enough to play DA4. LOL
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Post by colfoley on Apr 14, 2022 0:24:34 GMT
I don't personally see the big issue with said option, if it'll be truly present in the game, even less so for opting to use them in the blog. I'd suggest that we might be leaping in assuming this option will be present in the game, just because they're using pronouns in the blog. Bioware's stance on this topic is rather well known at this point. I'd also say that there might be far bigger issues in the game, possibly, then the presence of pronoun options in the CC. Even from the blog itself, it's far more concerning that they released an update or sort without showing anything. Judging how they talked about showing the game, it seems to be that it's not something that close either. Hopefully it's just a wrong impression. I'd argue that's entirely fitting for Cyberpunk, where all manner of body modification is possible and nearly everyone is transhuman. Less so for a quasi-medieval "everyone's covered in horse shit" setting like Dragon Age. But such is the times we live in. Setting wise, yep, Cyberpunk's setting, and in general that genre itself, it's an obvious choice for that option (and it's not really present for any kind of personal or company's stance). I can see how it doesn't work nearly as well, in theory, in a setting like Dragon Age, but it's not like they didn't touch the topic already, with Mae, Krem and the Qun. An internal flag (which, again, I wouldn't just assume it'll be present by the presence of pronouns in the blog), is going to have little impact in the plot and dialogues (unless they'd add some additional dialogues when defining your character, like some of those present in Inquisition), although I think it's quite likely that there'll be transgender characters in the game. I kind of get where you are coming from but I think gervaise did mention in the actual dev community thread about that this may represent an escelation. And it does. While its still a lot of very vague indeterminate un specific news and while this may even be something they show off after the game comes out on the other hand they are still talking about the game in some capacity which, in my glass is half empty state, kind of represents more then I was expecting for awhile. Plus I think someone also mentioned in that other thread that Patrick Weekes was talking about the 22nd of May. Which could be nothing but it is also a weirdly specific date to throw around. So yes, they could be slowly building to something, they could just be writing nothing burger blogs that don't have much to do with anything for awhile yet either way given the current leaks I am really not going to start worrying about the game...other then general vagueness of 'why has it taken this long' in the first place...until like september of 2023. If we don't get a title drop by then then its likely we won't see it until late 2024 contrary to the current rumors and leaks. They introduced Krem in DAI, and the setting was still quite 'offensive', if you want to use the world. Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I'm far from the only fan who noticed there was a considerable lightening of the setting. It wasn't as bad as some made it out to be, but it was definitely there. The Qun being accepting transgender characters didn't change a bit how they are portrayed in the IP, which isn't exactly like heroes. Not an issue, in my book. The Aqun-Athlok concept resolved a longstanding issue with the depiction of the Qunari - namely, what do they do when someone shows an aptitude for a craft that doesn't match their gender (or is a female mage). The answer: just think of them as the opposite gender. Bingo bango, let's go Rango. I'm more dreading the lighter and softer Qunari that I expect we'll end up allying with in DA4 - the nice qunari who aren't super-paranoid about magic. Those are the Qunari I saw in Tevinter Nights, minus the stupidly-named Bas-taar. The various issues with nations like Tevinter and Orlais remained Yeah, but then there were good Tevinters (the LGBTQA2+ mages) and then there were bad Tevinters (the straight, white ones). Back in DAO and DA2, race and sexuality were not immediate indicators of morality. I don't think all of those issues are going to disappear just because there might be multiple conversations about gender identities in DA4 (which I personally doubt would be as frequent as you think. I guess we'll see. But I think we're all in for a Very Special Episode of Dragon Age High where we learn important lessons about inclusiveness and unconventional family structures. 1. I don't really agree that the setting has done a lot of lightening personally. Sure it has gotten less graphic I guess but that has not represented an overall lightening of tone given the series still deals with mass murder, enslavement, etc etc etc. However Mark Darrah apparently agrees with you guys as he has shown in some video somewhere so the point may end up being moot...but as far as it goes though I guess I just don't see how the series can get much lighter from here. Sure Darrah showed off a huge burst but I think he was being more dramatic to prove the point then that big of a tone shift. 2. Perhaps case in point here... but which Qunari? I read Three Trees till Midnight still and the Qunari...Antaam at least...was still off giving doses of Sakamek to anything that moved and was doing it in such a way that was completly lobotomizing people and they were still quite uninterested in mages. Yes, I fully expect to have to work with some branch of the Qun to stop the Antaam but the curious thing is this really should be a more temporary alliance based on neccessity. That and the Ben-Hassrath has always been more subtly portrayed then the Antaam in the first place...which makes sense. Spies are a lot more likely to bend or manipulate the truth to get the results they want rather then blunt instrument soldiers.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 14, 2022 0:25:48 GMT
Yeah, but then there were good Tevinters (the LGBTQA2+ mages) and then there were bad Tevinters (the straight, white ones). Naaah, you should know that the good people in-universe all have to subscribe to Andrastianism, else it is villain ball or idiot ball for you. And now I'm again left wondering what's modern or "progeressive" about a western Christian-coded blob religion, given everything else is seemingly regarded as "backwards" by writing consensus. I mean lets not forget that this is a setting with several villainous idiotic members of the Chantry either...
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This has become somewhat more morbid than I would've expected.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 14, 2022 1:24:51 GMT
2. Perhaps case in point here... but which Qunari? I read Three Trees till Midnight still and the Qunari...Antaam at least...was still off giving doses of saar-qamek to anything that moved and was doing it in such a way that was completly lobotomizing people and they were still quite uninterested in mages. Yes, but those were bad qunari, Colfoley. You see, now there are good qunari like the Huntmaster (tolerant, accepting of mages, willing to allow escaped prisoners to leave despite their use of magic) and bad qunari like Bas-taar (violent, uses qamek indiscriminately, probably led by Rasaan). Y'see, there used to be just one qunari faction that essentially wanted to improve Thedas but had elements of their culture that were incompatible with the rest of Theodosian society. But now they're splitting in two, likely so that we don't have to deal with any moral dissonance about partnering with the Qunari to take down that mean ol' Dread Wolf (and maybe end slavery in Tevinter if we've got time before supper).
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Post by bierkrug on Apr 14, 2022 6:32:12 GMT
I doubt it. But don’t fret, I’ll probably be dead in a couple years. As I said, I’m old. LOL, I'm mid thirties but if the series continues at this pace I won't be seeing DA5 XD
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Post by smilesja on Apr 14, 2022 6:45:19 GMT
DAI was still plenty dark with the transgender inclusion. Years later and people are still up and arms over that? I thought SJWs constantly whine.
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Post by bierkrug on Apr 14, 2022 7:21:02 GMT
DAI was still plenty dark with the transgender inclusion. Years later and people are still up and arms over that? I thought SJWs constantly whine. Probably it's just worrying about how much more proselytizing we're gonna get. I don't have a desire to get gender theory lessons while I'm trying to get immersed in a semi dark fantasy world.
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Post by The Elder King on Apr 14, 2022 8:36:24 GMT
They introduced Krem in DAI, and the setting was still quite 'offensive', if you want to use the world. Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I'm far from the only fan who noticed there was a considerable lightening of the setting. It wasn't as bad as some made it out to be, but it was definitely there. The Qun being accepting transgender characters didn't change a bit how they are portrayed in the IP, which isn't exactly like heroes. Not an issue, in my book. The Aqun-Athlok concept resolved a longstanding issue with the depiction of the Qunari - namely, what do they do when someone shows an aptitude for a craft that doesn't match their gender (or is a female mage). The answer: just think of them as the opposite gender. Bingo bango, let's go Rango. I'm more dreading the lighter and softer Qunari that I expect we'll end up allying with in DA4 - the nice qunari who aren't super-paranoid about magic. Those are the Qunari I saw in Tevinter Nights, minus the stupidly-named Bas-taar. The various issues with nations like Tevinter and Orlais remained Yeah, but then there were good Tevinters (the LGBTQA2+ mages) and then there were bad Tevinters (the straight, white ones). Back in DAO and DA2, race and sexuality were not immediate indicators of morality. I don't think all of those issues are going to disappear just because there might be multiple conversations about gender identities in DA4 (which I personally doubt would be as frequent as you think. I guess we'll see. But I think we're all in for a Very Special Episode of Dragon Age High where we learn important lessons about inclusiveness and unconventional family structures. 2. Perhaps case in point here... but which Qunari? I read Three Trees till Midnight still and the Qunari...Antaam at least...was still off giving doses of saar-qamek to anything that moved and was doing it in such a way that was completly lobotomizing people and they were still quite uninterested in mages. Yes, but those were bad qunari, Colfoley. You see, now there are good qunari like the Huntmaster (tolerant, accepting of mages, willing to allow escaped prisoners to leave despite their use of magic) and bad qunari like Bas-taar (violent, uses qamek indiscriminately, probably led by Rasaan). Y'see, there used to be just one qunari faction that essentially wanted to improve Thedas but had elements of their culture that were incompatible with the rest of Theodosian society. But now they're splitting in two, likely so that we don't have to deal with any moral dissonance about partnering with the Qunari to take down that mean ol' Dread Wolf (and maybe end slavery in Tevinter if we've got time before supper). The setting might be lighter then before (although I'd say it's more about not showing off the darker elements of the setting as much as before, and offering different perspective), but I'd say it's still pretty dark. I'd also say that I don't agree with your definition on the Qunari of before. It's not really about improvment and having elements of their culture incompatible with Thedas, it's much more deeper, and worse then that, to me at least. And I don't think that it's going away just because they shown a few qunari that might slightly deviate in their actions compared to the vast majority of qunari. Let's remember that Weekes and Epler were in charge of Trespasser and decided that if Bull remained with the Qun, he'd betray the Inquisitor. I do think the whole Tevinter-Qunari situation could lead to some problematic situations if the player would possibly ally with qunari against the Imperium, but we don't know how exactly it'd work. They could offer us different options in siding with either parties; even if not, I don't think allying with the qunari would aumont to much more then a sort of truce. The endgame of the Qun is to conquer all of Thedas, and I doubt they'll change it. In the end, both sides are quite terrible in my mind, and a few aumonts of 'good' people in them isn't going to change much in the overall scheme. On Tevinter, I'd say that they decided to show that not all magisters are bad (before DAI the portrayal of Tevinters and magisters have been pretty much completely negative), although I'll wait and see a setting full of people from the Imperium before leaping about Bioware wanting to divide the good Tevinters and bad Tevinters in base of race and sexuality. It's not like they shown a ton of good people from the Imperium, yet. In regards of slavery, I don't see the big issue if some members of the Imperium or magisters are against it and want to change overall the society in the country. It makes sense that some would be against it, to me at least. Categorizing an entire group of people/nobles as bad and without differing opinions isn't that great in terms of writing. Offering nuances is quite fine by me. My stance overall is to wait and see what actually happens with those plots, as based on what we saw so far, for me at least, the setting remained quite dark, and while the people in charge might be different (Trespasser still shown, howewer, that some of the new people in charge aren't afraid of going for dark themes and plots), their social and political stances aren't that different from the people that were in charge with the previous games.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 14, 2022 9:09:56 GMT
They introduced Krem in DAI, and the setting was still quite 'offensive', if you want to use the world. The Qun being accepting transgender characters didn't change a bit how they are portrayed in the IP, which isn't exactly like heroes. Not an issue, in my book. The Aqun-Athlok concept resolved a longstanding issue with the depiction of the Qunari - namely, what do they do when someone shows an aptitude for a craft that doesn't match their gender (or is a female mage). The answer: just think of them as the opposite gender. I would go further with this in that the Qun probably insist on the person identifying as the opposite gender, so it is more akin to Iran and some other Muslin nations with regard to being gay. Being gay is forbidden but if you agree that you are a woman (and undergo full transition including surgery) then we don't have a problem. With the Qun, a woman can't be a warrior, so clearly you are not a woman but a man who looks like a woman. No argument. Krem would be accepted by the Qun and is accepted by Iron Bull (who isn't orthodox Qun anyway) because Krem already identifies as a man. Cassandra would not be accepted by the Qun unless she agreed to identify as a man, which I'm guessing she would object to. There is a different between having transgender characters within the world, which is realistic, and having that world exhibit the same attitude towards them as modern progressives, which it doesn't. Maevaris was only able to come out and exist in Tevinter because she had the backing of her father, a Magister, and married a rich dwarf, so had both the power and money to do so. Krem was from an ordinary Soporati family, that was neither powerful or rich, so he couldn't. Krem could have entered the army as a woman but didn't want to do this, got found out and had to flee the country as a result. So to a large extent mirrors the experience of transgender people in the majority of our world if you step outside of the liberal western democracies. Given there is no democratic governance in any of the nations of Thedas this makes sense.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 14, 2022 10:23:43 GMT
My stance overall is to wait and see what actually happens with those plots, as based on what we saw so far, for me at least, the setting remained quite dark, and while the people in charge might be different ( Trespasser still shown, howewer, that some of the new people in charge aren't afraid of going for dark themes and plots), their social and political stances aren't that different from the people that were in charge with the previous games. Not just from Trespasser. John Epler, the new Creative Director, was the writer of Horror of Hormack, definitely harping back to the sort of horror we experienced in DAO. He also wrote Half Up Front, which, despite what Charter maintains in the next story, does seem to hint that the Ben-Hassrath are working with the Inquisition against Solas. May be they didn't attend Charter's meeting because they did know that an Executor would be there. I'm guessing they would share Solas' sentiments about that group, quite possibly from past experience before they came to Thedas. The Executor also seemed to hint as much. Yes, but those were bad qunari, Colfoley. You see, now there are good qunari like the Huntmaster (tolerant, accepting of mages, willing to allow escaped prisoners to leave despite their use of magic) and bad qunari like Bas-taar (violent, uses qamek indiscriminately, probably led by Rasaan). The Ben-Hassrath report to the Ariqun, so can be regarded as the official Qun as opposed to the renegade Antaam. Mind you, I'm not entirely convinced that the Antaam are acting without the blessing of Par Vollen but likely just that it suits Par Vollen to let people believe that whilst they focus their attention on the real threat that is Solas. Look at what they maintained about the Viddasala, when it was perfectly obvious that her plan for the "gentle" path to take over of the south would never have succeeded without the backing of Par Vollen or at least the Antaam. However, if the Antaam was already renegade, you would think that Par Vollen would have sent in the Ben'Hassrath to remove the dissident leaders before they did any more damage. So personally I won't believe the Qun has truly split until after we have dealt with Solas and they no longer have need to keep the southern nations off their backs. The fact that the Huntmaster was officially sent to check up on Bas-taar by Antaam HQ suggests to me that their leaders are still co-operating with the Ben-Hassrath. That said, as I point out above, the Ben-Hassrath are working with the Inquisition to counter Solas. So it wouldn't surprise me to find a member of their organisation working with us openly, rather than as a undercover spy who admits to us what they are. Alternatively, have an alliance with Rasaan, whether there is an official split in the Qun or not. That would be interesting because not only should she have knowledge of Qunari history that is denied to the lower ranks but, as Ariqun in waiting, it would allow our hero to influence the thinking of a future leader of the Qun.
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