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Post by dadithinkimgay on Jul 2, 2022 1:35:05 GMT
You don't work for Bioware or EA. Your feelings of whether or not YOU'RE insulted are irrelevant. THEIR feelings are relevant. You don't get to tell them how they should feel about a joke made in poor taste by the people who guarantee their livelihood. And they came across as really thin skinned considering that they have their own problems to deal with rather than hyperfocus on a tweet. oh the irony
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2022 1:41:05 GMT
Seven hundred pages ... bet we hit 1000 before DAD ships.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 2, 2022 1:43:09 GMT
Seven hundred pages ... bet we hit 1000 before DAD ships. I think someone a lot better then math will need to come up with the answer to this one on how reasonable this prediction is. What 700 pages divided by the number of years we have had the thread opened multiplied by the square root of Satan? Though on the other hand when the marketing does get going I think we will see a significant increase in posts in here and more tweet fodder for us to digest to so I easily think we will do that in a year and a half.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 2, 2022 1:50:34 GMT
I certainly agree with that though my targets would be different. EDI, Liara, and maayyybbeee Javik would've gotten the boot. I agree about the hologram turned platform. I would have thrown the thing out the airlock. With t'soni. I would have sent her to Hackett after Mars. Javik is awesome. He has to stay.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 2, 2022 1:52:34 GMT
I certainly agree with that though my targets would be different. EDI, Liara, and maayyybbeee Javik would've gotten the boot. I agree about the hologram turned platform. I would have thrown the thing out the airlock. With t'soni. I would have sent her to Hackett after Mars. Javik is awesome. He has to stay. Exactly what I would have done with her. Yeah didn't particularly like Javik but he still is a bit of a maybe considering he seemed to have more of a plot use then the other two.
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Post by The Elder King on Jul 2, 2022 3:20:33 GMT
I’d say EDI would be my ‘target’ for shifting place with a ME2 exclusive companion, because in my opinion her shift towards being an android companion wasn’t needed, and it meant the relationship with Joker went down a predictable path. Liara would’ve been never left behind given her popularity, and adding a new companion for new players to identify with is reasonable, even if my favorite option would’ve been to have another ME2 squadmate in his place.
In the end I think they went in the direction they went so that even in the harshest playthrough the player would’ve gave three squadmates at least, each rapresenting the three area of combat. I just wished they didn’t left ME2 so much behind in term of exclusive companions of that game.
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Post by Sharable Horizon on Jul 2, 2022 3:56:11 GMT
I honestly think that if if Bio had another years budget and time to work on ME3, they would have been able to get everybody on the ship as full squad mates. The fact that they produced an absolute belter of a game in such a short amount of time is incredible.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 2, 2022 4:22:42 GMT
And they came across as really thin skinned considering that they have their own problems to deal with rather than hyperfocus on a tweet. oh the irony Lol just making an observation.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Jul 2, 2022 6:44:20 GMT
You don't work for Bioware or EA. Your feelings of whether or not YOU'RE insulted are irrelevant. THEIR feelings are relevant. You don't get to tell them how they should feel about a joke made in poor taste by the people who guarantee their livelihood. And they came across as really thin skinned considering that they have their own problems to deal with rather than hyperfocus on a tweet. Again, Imagine if you spent the past 8 years working your ass off in a purely chaotic environment, somehow you're still sane but you've been eroded by it, and here comes this idiot who nonchalantly says you're basically wasting your time and life doing this. And this isn't coming from some rando on the internet, this is your employer. Is that really thin skinned? And again again, you can call out bullshit in your own backyard and the higher up backyard at the same time. A lot of people have commented on this who don't work for BioWare, including you...so is the standard that we don't have jobs at BioWare which make our opinion irrelevant, or that we don't agree with you and the current 'in' opinion? Whether or not I work at BioWare is irrelevant to the issue at hand. And I doubt my opinion on this would be any different if I did. Yes, it does provide them with a unique perspective on game dev but that also could lead one to a biased perspective which could lead one to being easily triggered over certain hot button issues. Which while I think we all are making a mountain out of a mole hill over this, and this might be a minor point it also does not bode that well that they can be this easily offened over such a non starting tweet. It's not the opinion that's irrelevant, it's the feelings. I've never stated how I felt about that tweet because this is isn't about my feelings. It's not about whether you or I think the tweet is just a dumb thing to be ignored in it's stupidity, it's about you telling Bioware employees that because you think that's what they should do then they should do just that. Do you see the difference? Because you don't have much of a problem with it you're invalidating the experiences they've had at their workplace by calling them thin skinned and saying that it's not a good look for them and letting the stupidity of someone who most likely hasn't done a fraction of what these devs have done (from the very little that we've learned from different news piece) get away with purely a slap on the wrist. And let's not turn EA into a poor child who just missed a mark on an innocent joke, this isn't a vacuum, EA has spent years trying to convince people singleplayer games aren't worth it, they've butchered games like Dead Space and shut down studios they don't consider are making them all the money, and yet earlier this very year they've stated that they were wrong in that assessment with Fallen Order being very successful and Anthem being a financial failure. In this context, that joke comes off as rather schizophrenic, as well, not just tone deaf.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 2, 2022 7:47:51 GMT
Sure it´s a pity that Bull and Dorian don´t get a scene together in Dreadwolf Equally it is a pity that the Inquisitor and Bull wouldn't get a scene, or the Inquisitor and Dorian (if we are specifically relating this to the fact that he is in Tevinter). The epilogue screen even says that they sneak into Minrathous from time to time (according to rumours), so actually we would expect to see the Inquisitor there more than we would expect to see Bull (based off the information in the epilogue screens). To be honest I felt my romance was short changed compared with the Bull/Dorian one because they got 3 screens worth of story post Trespasser and I only got one. I thought that might be because we were going to see each other again next game but then they confirmed that we would be playing as a new hero so that seems highly unlikely. To be fair, you have to wonder just what the percentage is of players that actually have a world state with Dorian/Bull. I suspect that if you weren't in a romance with either of them then that is going to be the default in the world state regardless of whether you actually got it in game, unless of course you sided with the Qun. It still wouldn't warrant having a special scene just for them unless they also gave one to the Inquisitor/Dorian for those that did romance him. However, they are far more likely to get around this by use of the communication crystal. Apparently PW said that Dorian also gave one to Bull as well as the Inquisitor, so Dorian could simply talk into the crystal without us hearing the other end of the conversation and then say who he was talking to.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jul 2, 2022 8:45:35 GMT
I’d say EDI would be my ‘target’ for shifting place with a ME2 exclusive companion, because in my opinion her shift towards being an android companion wasn’t needed, and it meant the relationship with Joker went down a predictable path. And who? That´s the big problem here. Some want Miranda, some hated the idea of Miranda returning as squadmate they want Jack instead, some are Thane / Grunt fans... I think you get my point.
I always view EDI as a ME 3 squadmate as a compromise because you have atleast some from ME 2 back. Why EDI because she always live in every possible player worldstate and it would be wierd to have Joker as companion in the ground fights. Bioware never made a secret out of the fact that they save Liara and Ashley / Kaidan for ME 3. And this statement has been made long before ME 2 even had released.
And last but not least Patrick Weekes and others on the team already have to fight for Tali as ME 3 squadmate so clearly they couldn´t have the ressources for example Jack as ME 3 squadmate even she appears to be one at one point during development because of her new outfit unlike all other ME 2 companions.
So conclusion ME 3 squad wasn´t perfect but the best what Bioware could do with the ressources they had at this time. Even James is a good character. I only had wished that he would have introduced in ME 2 before like a improved version of the Arrival dlc where he and Ashley / Kaidan joins Shepard to rescue Amanda Kenson.
Also one new character like a Spectre (why not Jondum Bau?) would be neat so Thanes former room get some use. Edit: Kirrahe would be much cooler but because of his death in ME 1 he was never unfortunately an option.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 2, 2022 9:26:33 GMT
Seven hundred pages ... bet we hit 1000 before DAD ships. I think someone a lot better then math will need to come up with the answer to this one on how reasonable this prediction is. I think it is doable. This specific thread began in Dec 2018, so has been going for around 3.5 years. 700 divided by 3.5 = 200 per year. Based on information so far, the game is likely to ship in late Autumn 2023, probably Nov/Dec, so getting close to the 300 needed. However, I imagine once they start releasing information on the game this thread will catch fire, so we could easily be exceeding 1000 pages by the time it finally ships.
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Post by wright1978 on Jul 2, 2022 9:35:15 GMT
I honestly think that if if Bio had another years budget and time to work on ME3, they would have been able to get everybody on the ship as full squad mates. The fact that they produced an absolute belter of a game in such a short amount of time is incredible. I used to think that but seems to me more time doesn't necessarily lead to good things in game development. I do wish at the very least Miranda came onto the ship as an NPC after Horizon.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jul 2, 2022 10:58:29 GMT
I do wish at the very least Miranda came onto the ship as an NPC after Horizon.
I personally won´t mind Miranda as ME 3 squadmate but of course with your avatar you have to say this. I bet others would say hell no to Miranda why her of all of ME 2 squadmates? (Garrus and Tali are of course excluded)
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Post by colfoley on Jul 2, 2022 11:05:58 GMT
Miranda is on the top of my list for alternative ME 3 squadmates.
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Post by ClarkKent on Jul 2, 2022 12:26:33 GMT
Seven hundred pages ... bet we hit 1000 before DAD ships. I think someone a lot better then math will need to come up with the answer to this one on how reasonable this prediction is. What 700 pages divided by the number of years we have had the thread opened multiplied by the square root of Satan? Though on the other hand when the marketing does get going I think we will see a significant increase in posts in here and more tweet fodder for us to digest to so I easily think we will do that in a year and a half. To be fair a few might post less. Ironically as we learn more and more about DAD I'll probably try to follow it a bit less. When you're in a community that dissects any and all information about a game then things can get a bit spoilery and I like to go into games somewhat blind.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 2, 2022 12:46:18 GMT
I honestly think that if if Bio had another years budget and time to work on ME3, they would have been able to get everybody on the ship as full squad mates. The fact that they produced an absolute belter of a game in such a short amount of time is incredible. Because of time, Bioware wasn't able to do what they originally wanted for ME3 I will give them a pat on the back for the amount of stuff they put in the game. Because of time, I would have made two games.
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Post by Sartoz on Jul 2, 2022 13:17:41 GMT
Even James is a good character.
Interesting. An arse he was, from my perspective. Why? ... picked a fight with his boss.
Dropped him like a hot potatoe and so James cooled his arse "on the bench". It's the way I play. Companions that I like stay with me.
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Post by Sartoz on Jul 2, 2022 13:34:08 GMT
I honestly think that if if Bio had another years budget and time to work on ME3, they would have been able to get everybody on the ship as full squad mates. The fact that they produced an absolute belter of a game in such a short amount of time is incredible. Because of time, Bioware wasn't able to do what they originally wanted for ME3 Snip
Thanks for that link. Quite interesting.
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Post by Sartoz on Jul 2, 2022 13:46:00 GMT
I think someone a lot better then math will need to come up with the answer to this one on how reasonable this prediction is. What 700 pages divided by the number of years we have had the thread opened multiplied by the square root of Satan? Though on the other hand when the marketing does get going I think we will see a significant increase in posts in here and more tweet fodder for us to digest to so I easily think we will do that in a year and a half. To be fair a few might post less. Ironically as we learn more and more about DAD I'll probably try to follow it a bit less. When you're in a community that dissects any and all information about a game then things can get a bit spoilery and I like to go into games somewhat blind.
Amused I am about people that dislike spoilers.
The more I know the better I can judge when making a buy/nobuy decision. I mean, anyone with two cents worh of brain cells will do some research about a car before buying it. Same with buying a game.... well, that's me.
Different strokes... etc.
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Post by Hrungr on Jul 2, 2022 14:11:41 GMT
Seven hundred pages ... bet we hit 1000 before DAD ships. I think someone a lot better then math will need to come up with the answer to this one on how reasonable this prediction is. I think it is doable. This specific thread began in Dec 2018, so has been going for around 3.5 years. 700 divided by 3.5 = 200 per year. Based on information so far, the game is likely to ship in late Autumn 2023, probably Nov/Dec, so getting close to the 300 needed. However, I imagine once they start releasing information on the game this thread will catch fire, so we could easily be exceeding 1000 pages by the time it finally ships. Oh yeah, we'll be well past 1,000 by the time it ships. CSI:BSN will be dissecting every location, character, interview, and gameplay frame.
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Post by Hrungr on Jul 2, 2022 14:22:13 GMT
David Gaider @davidgaiderThis one's available for everyone to listen to, now. If you couldn't check it out before, now you can!
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Post by ClarkKent on Jul 2, 2022 15:15:40 GMT
To be fair a few might post less. Ironically as we learn more and more about DAD I'll probably try to follow it a bit less. When you're in a community that dissects any and all information about a game then things can get a bit spoilery and I like to go into games somewhat blind.
Amused I am about people that dislike spoilers.
The more I know the better I can judge when making a buy/nobuy decision. I mean, anyone with two cents worh of brain cells will do some research about a car before buying it. Same with buying a game.... well, that's me.
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Post by Hrungr on Jul 2, 2022 19:08:02 GMT
The writer behind Deus Ex has joined BioWare (Senior Narrative Director) MARY DEMARLE LED NARRATIVE ON MODERN DEUS EX GAMES AND GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY www.videogameschronicle.com/news/the-writer-behind-deus-ex-has-joined-bioware/DeMarle was in charge of the narrative and writing in all recent Deus Ex titles, including Mankind Divided, Human Revolution, and mobile spin-offs Deus Ex: Go and Deus Ex: The Fall. She also created the story and led the writing team for 2021’s Guardians of the Galaxy, which won the Game Award for Best Narrative. The narrative designer shared the BioWare news on her LinkedIn page on Friday, but did not specify any specific projects. It’s possible she could be involved in either the upcoming Dragon Age Dreadwolf or Mass Effect 4. Speaking to GI.biz last summer, DeMarle discussed her view on the relationship between gameplay and narrative in game development. “For many, many years working in this industry, I’ve known that story is often subservient to gameplay,” DeMarle said. “But if I understand the game and what is the feeling I’m trying to evoke for players, then I can understand that gameplay is trying to do it this way, and story is here to support that or bring it forward. How can the things I write help to emphasize the things the gameplay needs, etc.? “As long as you always know the game you’re trying to make and understand why, then it just comes down to constant communication between narrative and gameplay, and constantly looking and understanding it from that point of view.” - I'm guessing she'll be on the next ME, but I don't for sure just yet.
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Post by Sartoz on Jul 2, 2022 20:47:56 GMT
Good call.
Haven't played the games. Wonder how Bio landed this talented writer.
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