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Post by Buckeldemon on May 7, 2020 1:52:29 GMT
Lambert and Petrice were two of the the more reasonable people tn the whole series. Oh they are portrayed as great villains but they were anything but. Agree to disagree, I guess, as I would not call a fanatic murdering people for some sort of "eternity" as reasonable. She strikes me pretty much as a religious terrorist. Oh, and besides being arrogant to a fault, she has not even the deceny to, say, get a belt of explosives and blow herself up for her goals, she manipulates easy-to-impress commoners to do so. I did got something wrong about Lambert, as I wrongly remembered him behind that crazy mage attacking Justinia, but apparently it was just some unknown templars apparently using that mage for their own politics.
Well I always had a problem with Petrice but I feel that Lambert had an interesting viewpoint because he had at one time trusted a Tevinter Magister. He had helped him become Black Divine, when I am sure Lambert was foreseeing some room for a unification between north and south (which I assume lay behind his secondment to the north by his superiors), or at least the removal of the corruption within the Tevinter elite, only to discover that Urian had been playing him all the time. Unfortunately, DG decided to make him a wholly unsympathetic character in the rest of his actions, so he just became a standard religious fanatic. To be honest though, I thought he was right to be shocked and upset at what Justinia had been doing behind the scenes with Pharamond's experiment, the disastrous outcome to which, so far as the inhabitants of Adamant were concerned, only seemed to confirm the need for magic to be carefully monitored. If the debate had been focussed on those aspects of political corruption and dangers of magic, rather than the Rite of Tranquility, it would have been far more interesting. Reading up a bit on that background on the wiki, I'd say Lambert came to a wrong conclusion, somewhat similar to Meredith. He did not see the wood for the trees. Instead of getting that "this is how the game is played, darling", he appeared to be all upset about the Tevinter Divine's magic. Usual templar fail, I guess?
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Post by gervaise21 on May 7, 2020 8:33:10 GMT
He did not see the wood for the trees. Instead of getting that "this is how the game is played, darling", he appeared to be all upset about the Tevinter Divine's magic. Usual templar fail, I guess? I think he was going for the thinking that power corrupts and since magic and particular forms of magic give you more power, then the corruption is all the greater. What he seemed to miss is the fact that the Divine had also misused her power when she has no magic at all. So as you say, it is a case of people playing politics, which they will do whether they have magic or not. From that point of view, Solas was correct, magic is just a tool, it is the hand that wields it that is the problem. Case in point, the Qunari, and by this I mean the way the were originally portrayed, are extremely powerful despite the fact that they barely tolerate magic. Tevinter agents also picked up on the fact that it was a bad day for them when the oxmen started to learn subtlety and politics to add to the rest of their skills, even more so when Sten became Arishok because he was the one who had suggested such a strategy in the first place.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 7, 2020 13:27:07 GMT
He did not see the wood for the trees. Instead of getting that "this is how the game is played, darling", he appeared to be all upset about the Tevinter Divine's magic. Usual templar fail, I guess? I think he was going for the thinking that power corrupts and since magic and particular forms of magic give you more power, then the corruption is all the greater. What he seemed to miss is the fact that the Divine had also misused her power when she has no magic at all. So as you say, it is a case of people playing politics, which they will do whether they have magic or not. From that point of view, Solas was correct, magic is just a tool, it is the hand that wields it that is the problem. Case in point, the Qunari, and by this I mean the way the were originally portrayed, are extremely powerful despite the fact that they barely tolerate magic. Tevinter agents also picked up on the fact that it was a bad day for them when the oxmen started to learn subtlety and politics to add to the rest of their skills, even more so when Sten became Arishok because he was the one who had suggested such a strategy in the first place. They... still don't seem to be very good at it. Literally every Qunari we meet openly tells us that their people/leadership have no respect for the treaty, and will break it as soon as they think they are in a good position to do so. In light of that, it seems ridiculous that the various powers of Thedas are content to just sit and wait. If someone literally says to your face "I am going to attack you, but I am not ready yet", the smart thing to do is attack them before they do get ready.
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Post by ClarkKent on May 7, 2020 15:43:04 GMT
I think he was going for the thinking that power corrupts and since magic and particular forms of magic give you more power, then the corruption is all the greater. What he seemed to miss is the fact that the Divine had also misused her power when she has no magic at all. So as you say, it is a case of people playing politics, which they will do whether they have magic or not. From that point of view, Solas was correct, magic is just a tool, it is the hand that wields it that is the problem. Case in point, the Qunari, and by this I mean the way the were originally portrayed, are extremely powerful despite the fact that they barely tolerate magic. Tevinter agents also picked up on the fact that it was a bad day for them when the oxmen started to learn subtlety and politics to add to the rest of their skills, even more so when Sten became Arishok because he was the one who had suggested such a strategy in the first place. They... still don't seem to be very good at it. Literally every Qunari we meet openly tells us that their people/leadership have no respect for the treaty, and will break it as soon as they think they are in a good position to do so. In light of that, it seems ridiculous that the various powers of Thedas are content to just sit and wait. If someone literally says to your face "I am going to attack you, but I am not ready yet", the smart thing to do is attack them before they do get ready. That's happened quite a lot in human history tbh.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 7, 2020 18:13:20 GMT
They... still don't seem to be very good at it. Literally every Qunari we meet openly tells us that their people/leadership have no respect for the treaty, and will break it as soon as they think they are in a good position to do so. In light of that, it seems ridiculous that the various powers of Thedas are content to just sit and wait. If someone literally says to your face "I am going to attack you, but I am not ready yet", the smart thing to do is attack them before they do get ready. May be it is the fact that they say it openly that foxes them. Perhaps they think it is just a big bluff to try and scare them. Then again, I don't think anyone seriously thought it would last indefinitely; it is just a matter of who wants to be responsible for breaking the treaty and setting loose the grey giants on them and their neighbours again? Everyone was probably happy to just sit back and hope that Tevinter and the Qun would carry on focusing on each other. However, we do know that Qunari agents have been very busy both gathering intelligence and recruiting local people to their cause. But for our PC who was obviously plot armoured and couldn't fail, the Arishok probably would have taken Kirkwall, particularly with all those elves swarming around on his behalf. That would have been an interesting diplomatic conundrum for the folks back in Par Vollen. Without the Tome (which Isabella only brings back because of Hawke) he was never going to return home but if he held Kirkwall it might go some way to making up for losing it. So would he finally send for the aid of the rest of his Antaam or would his actions be disowned as they eventually were after the events of DA2 and the treaty maintained?
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Post by vertigomez on Aug 29, 2020 21:56:58 GMT
HAHAHHAA HELLO *insert disclaimer that this is all based on concept art*
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 22:02:19 GMT
HAHAHHAA HELLO *insert disclaimer that this is all based on concept art* LOL. Well that didn't take long for the fandom to pick a favorite. I sincerely hope that she is the tall girl of your dreams.
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Post by ClarkKent on Aug 29, 2020 22:58:51 GMT
It would be hilarious to read the reactions if the Qunari companion was in the game, but not as a romance option.
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Post by phoray on Aug 29, 2020 23:06:29 GMT
This it's second relocation, pretty impressive
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Post by vertigomez on Aug 29, 2020 23:09:54 GMT
It would be hilarious to read the reactions if the Qunari companion was in the game, but not as a romance option. Well, I keep falling in love with dwarves they don't deliver on, so I guess I'm a glutton for disappointment.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 29, 2020 23:51:57 GMT
DEATH BY SNU-SNU
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Post by fbisurveillancevan on Aug 30, 2020 0:02:19 GMT
It would be hilarious to read the reactions if the Qunari companion was in the game, but not as a romance option. There will be blood in the streets. There is thirst for a lady thic!
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Post by fbisurveillancevan on Aug 30, 2020 0:03:03 GMT
It would be hilarious to read the reactions if the Qunari companion was in the game, but not as a romance option. Well, I keep falling in love with dwarves they don't deliver on, so I guess I'm a glutton for disappointment. Glad there is a fellow non human appreciator here hahaha.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 15:30:53 GMT
I just remembered Sten's the Arishok now, at least in my games, so I wonder if we will run into him at some point. I vaguely recall him being mentioned in Tevinter Nights, but I can't remember. Maybe something about him not being the Arishok anymore but I can't remember the reason why...imma go reread more of TN.
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Post by Solas on Aug 30, 2020 15:48:12 GMT
we are livingggggg
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Post by qunaripenis on Aug 31, 2020 4:32:07 GMT
HAHAHHAA HELLO *insert disclaimer that this is all based on concept art* I may be a gay but even i know how dead sexy she already is.
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Post by vertigomez on Aug 31, 2020 22:24:13 GMT
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 1, 2020 14:49:49 GMT
I vaguely recall him being mentioned in Tevinter Nights, but I can't remember. Maybe something about him not being the Arishok anymore but I can't remember the reason why...imma go reread more of TN. I don't recall anything about the Arishok specifically in Tevinter Nights. It is not clear if the Antaam is working with or without his approval but it would seem odd if they were not. He is, after all, their supreme commander. Still Tevinter were always wary of Sten and him being made Arishok set alarm bells ringing in Minrathous. Now if they had succeeded in assassinating him, then may be the Antaam didn't wait around whilst the Ariqun and Arigena settled on a replacement. Still if they had killed him, you think it would have been mentioned, so I really don't know what is going on there. It was his idea to try a covert war rather than use direct force in the past, so may be when that didn't work in the south, his other officers suggested that perhaps they should go back to the good old fashioned method. After all for the Viddasala's plan to have worked they would have needed all their troops geared up and ready to go once the leaders of the south had been eliminated. Hence needing a different target when that plan failed. What surprised me is that the Tevinter agents weren't better at anticipating it, so the eastern cities were prepared for the assault when it came and defended themselves better than they did. The Qun cut a swathe across Tevinter very easily.
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