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Post by Heimdall on Jan 27, 2017 13:28:01 GMT
Gatt. He wants to be a proper Qunari, but knows it's faults and is willing to try and change it from the inside. Even if he is likely doomed to failure . I have a new appreciation for Gatt. I didn't pick up on that the first few times -- that he's not entirely comfortable with the Qun, and he understands Bull's rebellion, but he'd prefer to stay where he is and try to change it from the inside. I think because he's lived outside the Qun, and it was awful (slavery), and he knows, as an elf, that his prospects outside the Qun even now are not great. It's quite depressing, really I like that. I'm kinda planning a sort of reverse of that situation if I get the option in DA4. I'd like to play an qunari ex-Qunari Saarebas slave turned Tevinter nationalist, a bit like Calpernia: someone who knows his prospects anywhere else in the world as a mage are pretty dismal and wants to make Tevinter better.
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Post by halla on Jan 27, 2017 13:43:38 GMT
S-so many qunari... Please tell me we'll get quality armor like that at some point. is that from new DA? o_o ...also, is that dwarf at the end of the post on tumblr Varric a'la "romance character from book"?
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 27, 2017 14:59:54 GMT
S-so many qunari... Please tell me we'll get quality armor like that at some point. is that from new DA? o_o ...also, is that dwarf at the end of the post on tumblr Varric a'la "romance character from book"? It's a page from the red book/rook book, which might be some kind of art book? No telling if it hints at DA4 or the strategy game they've been talking about. But I see Fog Warriors, Qunari, and 'Vints so Seheron here I come!
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Post by halla on Jan 27, 2017 15:30:58 GMT
is that from new DA? o_o ...also, is that dwarf at the end of the post on tumblr Varric a'la "romance character from book"? It's a page from the red book/rook book, which might be some kind of art book? No telling if it hints at DA4 or the strategy game they've been talking about. But I see Fog Warriors, Qunari, and 'Vints so Seheron here I come! i just spend like hour or two sitting on Twitter and searching stuff and i have to say, i already felt good and the love to DA went to sleep to not painfully reminder me that i have to wait for game, but right now after that god damn it D: ex-sarebaas? phemiec.tumblr.com/post/91647797325/who-i-thought-i-might-become-who-i-have-been-whosome for bull lovers (sorry couldnt get to the page of it)
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Post by MrGDL87 on Jan 27, 2017 19:50:56 GMT
For me, the Qunari are the most interesting race in Thedas!
I especially like it when you have a Qunari character that's has a brutish looking exterior but there's are more innocent side underneath. Like Sten with his cookies and Bull with his puns/laid back demeanour. They're just a group of gentle giants really .
I like the race but not such a fan of the Qun. This mainly boils down to how they treat their mages as no mage should have to be collared and gagged. The only positive I can think of is it provides an opportunity for a better life (for some people).
Also it's interesting to know why they were forced to leave their lands. My memory's a bit fuzzy but didn't they have to leave their lands because the Kossith drove them away? The mysteries of the Qun and the Qunari is one of the reasons why I'm still intrigued with the race as a whole because we get a lot of views about the Qun but it would be different if we actually experienced it first-hand, like seeing a settlement what totally supports the Qun.
Plus the race is fit and horny. So what's not to like . Anyone who opts for the Par Vollen décor for Skyhold is just appreciating the good Qunari assthetics .
Okay, I'll bow out of thread for now... Panahedan to all you good sirs and ladies.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 27, 2017 22:28:34 GMT
For me, the Qunari are the most interesting race in Thedas!
I especially like it when you have a Qunari character that's has a brutish looking exterior but there's are more innocent side underneath. Like Sten with his cookies and Bull with his puns/laid back demeanour. They're just a group of gentle giants really They're both pretty great! I love that Bull loves hot cocoa and frilly cakes and the color pink, 'cause it's pretty. And speaking of Sten, here's your daily dose of Sten being his amazing self, courtesy of Wanderers of Thedas. As for who drove the Qunari from their original homeland, as far as I know it's still a mystery. Bull certainly seems baffled.
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Post by the Dame on Jan 28, 2017 16:23:24 GMT
Usually I'm too lazy to wander outside of the tavern, but this topic really calls out to me I really wish that in future games (they will be, right?! ) we will discover whose "blood that's not their own" flows in qunari veins and why Kossiths were driven away from the North... Thedas needs more qunari glory! *salutes with a drink* ETA: a for decoration... I find it oddly delightful to mix Vint's themes with Qun's in Skyhold's decor
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 29, 2017 23:42:59 GMT
Is anyone else sad that we never got to meet the Valo-Kas in-game? They sounded badass. Especially Shokrakar. ...Though knowing they're working for the City Guard in Kirkwall at Varric's behest and harassing Aveline almost makes it worth it. Usually I'm too lazy to wander outside of the tavern, but this topic really calls out to me I really wish that in future games (they will be, right?! ) we will discover whose "blood that's not their own" flows in qunari veins and why Kossiths were driven away from the North... Thedas needs more qunari glory! *salutes with a drink* Welcome! Enjoy the Maraas-Lok. It has a kick to it. I keep wondering if qunari (the race) are some kind of elf/dragon hybrid, and if the ancient elves or the 'Vints are responsible for their existence. Corypheus seemed to know a whole helluvalot, as did OGB Kieran - and they're both tied to the Old Gods. I thought I was the only one who did that! Meanwhile Dorian and Bull remain unimpressed by my superior interior decorating skills...
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Post by the Dame on Jan 31, 2017 18:34:27 GMT
Is anyone else sad that we never got to meet the Valo-Kas in-game? They sounded badass. Especially Shokrakar. *with a grin raises hand and wiggles fingers*
Valo-Kas is the main reason why I was sad that BW discarded the idea of playable origins stories. Clan Lavellan of Trevelyan family whould be interesting to meet, but certanly not at the top of my list. Welcome! Enjoy the Maraas-Lok. It has a kick to it. I keep wondering if qunari (the race) are some kind of elf/dragon hybrid, and if the ancient elves or the 'Vints are responsible for their existence. Corypheus seemed to know a whole helluvalot, as did OGB Kieran - and they're both tied to the Old Gods. Oh, my! I never reject free drinks! They are free, right? *looks around assessing*
As for the blood.. I think dragon blood is like 99% confirmed, just as unnatural development of the race. Though so far I don't see how it happened only because of the Vints... I won't rule out Mythal's involvement, 'cause you can never rule out or underestimate Flemythal As for elven blood... Can't ignore pointy ears I thought I was the only one who did that! Meanwhile Dorian and Bull remain unimpressed by my superior interior decorating skills... Dorian just jealous, I think he is fuming "It should've been my idea!" and throws glitter in the air for emphasis. As for Bull.. he is more a pragmatic guy, in my opinion. As long as he can use it
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 3, 2017 19:10:52 GMT
Before DAI and its DLC I would have put the responsibility for the creation of the Kossith on Tevinter, but I think they are pretty much absolved of anything major in the past. They just like to think they were behind things because that makes them seem stronger than they really were, which is why they altered various mosaics to make it look like they were depicting Tevinter history. The reality is that much of what occurred is down to the Evanuris (including Solas). I think it likely that it was Ghilan'nain who may have been behind the hybrid creatures that became the kossith and then latterly the qunari. Iron Bull is probably right about dragon blood getting mixed in but that was likely way before Koslun or the Tamassrans got involved. In the comic series Aurelian Titus says something about how the dragon fire magic he uses could have been the birthright of the qunari but they lost it, presumably when they turned against magic.
Most of what Kieran talks about with the various races and classes relates to a period of history earlier than Tevinter as well. He says "I don't know why your people want to look like that" to a Dalish (clearly referencing the vallaslin as slave markings) and also "Your blood is very old". He says "You can't be taller without the Titans" to a dwarf (which sounded odd until we did the Descent) and he mentions that "Your blood doesn't belong to your people" and he feels bad "about what happened to your people" to a Vashoth. Seeing as the elven and dwarven references are connected to the Evanuris, it seems likely the qunari one is as well. He also says about people without magic being blind, which is a similar sort of sentiment to Solas as to how people appeared to him after the Veil. It would seem to confirm that whatever or whoever the Old Gods were, they seem to have had a connection to the Evanuris as well as he only says these things if he has the soul of an Old God.
I wonder if we will get to travel to Par Vollen at all next game. Apart from the interesting architecture that I would like to see and seeing true Qunari culture first hand, there are also the strange pyramids to be found in the jungle that date back to a much earlier period. They would appear to give a clue as to the origins of the kossith/qunari and their alignment matches that of Solium, so unless that is a red herring, that also seems to point towards either Elgar'nan or an much earlier incarnation of the Maker.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 5:11:05 GMT
I really wish that the Qunari companions weren't so squishy. Not matter the quality of armor I put Sten in and how much I raise his constitution, he goes down 5 seconds into the fight. As a soldier of the Beresaad, I would have thought he would last longer in a fight.
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Post by Zemgus on Feb 4, 2017 9:15:29 GMT
I really wish that the Qunari companions weren't so squishy. Not matter the quality of armor I put Sten in and how much I raise his constitution, he goes down 5 seconds into the fight. As a soldier of the Beresaad, I would have thought he would last longer in a fight. Alistair is way squishier. And so is Iron Bull. But I see your point. I'm currently playing SWTOR (smuggler), just recruited Akaavi Spar, specced her as tank and just enjoy watching her beat the crap out of any imperials that get in our way. That's a true mandalorian. On topic: I would love it if our future protagonist (of any race) was someone who follows the Qun. At least at the start of the game. Then shit happens as usual and we are dragged into some world threatening plot, but could still remain true to the Qun or defect, according to our own choice.
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Post by halla on Feb 4, 2017 15:37:01 GMT
I can't agree 100% with Bull being squishy. Well... At the beginning of the game, hell yes, no way to take him for me with all trials on, but later in game Cassandra was changed for him and there weren't that many problems with it. Maybe it worked only because rest of team was stronger too, but it wasn't that bad after all.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 4, 2017 17:34:03 GMT
Before DAI and its DLC I would have put the responsibility for the creation of the Kossith on Tevinter, but I think they are pretty much absolved of anything major in the past. They just like to think they were behind things because that makes them seem stronger than they really were, which is why they altered various mosaics to make it look like they were depicting Tevinter history. The reality is that much of what occurred is down to the Evanuris (including Solas). I think it likely that it was Ghilan'nain who may have been behind the hybrid creatures that became the kossith and then latterly the qunari. Iron Bull is probably right about dragon blood getting mixed in but that was likely way before Koslun or the Tamassrans got involved. In the comic series Aurelian Titus says something about how the dragon fire magic he uses could have been the birthright of the qunari but they lost it, presumably when they turned against magic. Most of what Kieran talks about with the various races and classes relates to a period of history earlier than Tevinter as well. He says "I don't know why your people want to look like that" to a Dalish (clearly referencing the vallaslin as slave markings) and also "Your blood is very old". He says "You can't be taller without the Titans" to a dwarf (which sounded odd until we did the Descent) and he mentions that "Your blood doesn't belong to your people" and he feels bad "about what happened to your people" to a Vashoth. Seeing as the elven and dwarven references are connected to the Evanuris, it seems likely the qunari one is as well. He also says about people without magic being blind, which is a similar sort of sentiment to Solas as to how people appeared to him after the Veil. It would seem to confirm that whatever or whoever the Old Gods were, they seem to have had a connection to the Evanuris as well as he only says these things if he has the soul of an Old God. I wonder if we will get to travel to Par Vollen at all next game. Apart from the interesting architecture that I would like to see and seeing true Qunari culture first hand, there are also the strange pyramids to be found in the jungle that date back to a much earlier period. They would appear to give a clue as to the origins of the kossith/qunari and their alignment matches that of Solium, so unless that is a red herring, that also seems to point towards either Elgar'nan or an much earlier incarnation of the Maker. I hope we do get to go to Par Vollen someday. Or at the very least, to some Qunari settlements on Seheron. The way the architecture is described - plus being surrounded by the race, instead of having them just peppered throughout the south - would be an amazing sight to see. I wondered if Koslun's teachings were a reaction to the supposed violent impulses of the dragon blood. He teaches that "existence is a choice," and one has to exist in a very specific way to help society and not harm it. But then... we've also had hints that the re-educators are straight-up lying, using their brainwashing techniques to convince their subjects that Tal-Vashoth go mad and violent even when that's not the case. (I'm thinking of the orphanage full of burning kids that Bull "remembers".) What drove the kossith - whatever they were - from their homeland, and was it before or after the dragon blood? How far north did the elves even go? So many unanswered questions.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 4, 2017 17:39:13 GMT
I really wish that the Qunari companions weren't so squishy. Not matter the quality of armor I put Sten in and how much I raise his constitution, he goes down 5 seconds into the fight. As a soldier of the Beresaad, I would have thought he would last longer in a fight. Alistair is way squishier. And so is Iron Bull. But I see your point. I'm currently playing SWTOR (smuggler), just recruited Akaavi Spar, specced her as tank and just enjoy watching her beat the crap out of any imperials that get in our way. That's a true mandalorian. On topic: I would love it if our future protagonist (of any race) was someone who follows the Qun. At least at the start of the game. Then shit happens as usual and we are dragged into some world threatening plot, but could still remain true to the Qun or defect, according to our own choice. I don't know how well they'd implement a full-blown Qunari PC, but what I'd really like to see is a passionately Tal-Vashoth companion. Like Shokrakar. We've had Qun-loyal Sten, and Bull (and even Tallis) who straddles the fence and can go either way... I think it would be nice to have a former-Qunari companion who has a strong opinion on the Qun and that opinion is bad. For variety's sake.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 4, 2017 21:34:03 GMT
Unrelated to the above, but: for those of you who play Adaar, what's your favorite class and spec for her/him? What decisions do you make with their Vashoth mercenary background in mind?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 22:11:59 GMT
I can't agree 100% with Bull being squishy. Well... At the beginning of the game, hell yes, no way to take him for me with all trials on, but later in game Cassandra was changed for him and there weren't that many problems with it. Maybe it worked only because rest of team was stronger too, but it wasn't that bad after all. Giving him some vanguard abilities will increase his defenses and let him stay alive longer in battle.
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Unrelated to the above, but: for those of you who play Adaar, what's your favorite class and spec for her/him? What decisions do you make with their Vashoth mercenary background in mind? No favorite class or specialization in particular. Kaliesa was an artificer, since her parents raised her with the intent that she'd work on the little farm they were building and not risk her life as a mercenary. So when she ran off to join her first mercenary band, she was a bit behind on the combat side. So she made up for it by using poisons and traps. While she did get better at combat, she was certainly not going to say no to learning to make bigger, better toys to kill people with. Weapon wise she preferred dual blades. She enjoyed dancing and light fist fights, so the flowing movements with daggers fit her better than a bow.
Chayim preferred two handed weapons, since he had always been quite strong. Also imagined him as a farmer, but more in the sense that he used to work as a plow ox at his neighbors farm, since he felt sorry for the four legged oxen. Which led to him being "kidnapped" by a group of Tal-Vasoth, mistaking his charity for servitude. He went along with it, had always fancied seeing the world and the company was nice. In the Inquisition he started training as a Champion. Both to be able to take hits as hard as he could give them and to impress Miss Josephine. Also he didn't fancy imbuing addictive substances. He had enough trouble with his enjoyment of normal food.
Shira was eager to learn necromancy when it was offered. She embraced the fact that mages and magic were seen as dangerous. She didn't want to be just scary, she wanted to be terrifying! Also, the title of necromancer would justify the increase of Skull adornments she could be wearing. And give her excuse to act inappropriately with all these skulls they kept finding. Despite that, she would not have taken Blood Magic if it had been offered. Self harm was a big no no for her and her companions already lost enough blood by taking the blows meant for her. Also she was almost violently afraid of bindings in any sense, so more risk of possession was a big no no no as well.
Admittedly have never factored the mercenary work in their decisions, probably because I play them all in a way that being a mercenary was just a stepping stone to reach the next goal or that they found it more preferable than any other trade they could work at.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 5, 2017 17:03:12 GMT
Unrelated to the above, but: for those of you who play Adaar, what's your favorite class and spec for her/him? What decisions do you make with their Vashoth mercenary background in mind? No favorite class or specialization in particular. Kaliesa was an artificer, since her parents raised her with the intent that she'd work on the little farm they were building and not risk her life as a mercenary. So when she ran off to join her first mercenary band, she was a bit behind on the combat side. So she made up for it by using poisons and traps. While she did get better at combat, she was certainly not going to say no to learning to make bigger, better toys to kill people with. Weapon wise she preferred dual blades. She enjoyed dancing and light fist fights, so the flowing movements with daggers fit her better than a bow.
Chayim preferred two handed weapons, since he had always been quite strong. Also imagined him as a farmer, but more in the sense that he used to work as a plow ox at his neighbors farm, since he felt sorry for the four legged oxen. Which led to him being "kidnapped" by a group of Tal-Vasoth, mistaking his charity for servitude. He went along with it, had always fancied seeing the world and the company was nice. In the Inquisition he started training as a Champion. Both to be able to take hits as hard as he could give them and to impress Miss Josephine. Also he didn't fancy imbuing addictive substances. He had enough trouble with his enjoyment of normal food.
Shira was eager to learn necromancy when it was offered. She embraced the fact that mages and magic were seen as dangerous. She didn't want to be just scary, she wanted to be terrifying! Also, the title of necromancer would justify the increase of Skull adornments she could be wearing. And give her excuse to act inappropriately with all these skulls they kept finding. Despite that, she would not have taken Blood Magic if it had been offered. Self harm was a big no no for her and her companions already lost enough blood by taking the blows meant for her. Also she was almost violently afraid of bindings in any sense, so more risk of possession was a big no no no as well.
Admittedly have never factored the mercenary work in their decisions, probably because I play them all in a way that being a mercenary was just a stepping stone to reach the next goal or that they found it more preferable than any other trade they could work at. I love all these concepts, especially Chayim who was kidnapped (LOL) and Shira who is shamelessly scary. I think I've made most of my Adaar PCs career mercenaries for lack of better options, but then somewhere along the way it became part of their identity. Like, Hawke worked as a mercenary for a while, but Adaar was a mercenary... if that makes sense. Could just be that I'm really fond of the Valo-Kas and want to hang out with them! Probably the biggest exception is my male Adaar who just recently arrived at Skyhold. He has a big doofy crush on Josephine and actually enjoys chatting up nobles and navigating social politics. He definitely won't be returning to the merc life and his experiences there haven't really influenced his decision-making. All the rest of my Adaars don't pussyfoot around anything and want to shove everyone at Halamshiral off the nearest balcony.
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Post by Walter Black on Feb 6, 2017 21:10:47 GMT
Alistair is way squishier. And so is Iron Bull. But I see your point. I'm currently playing SWTOR (smuggler), just recruited Akaavi Spar, specced her as tank and just enjoy watching her beat the crap out of any imperials that get in our way. That's a true mandalorian. On topic: I would love it if our future protagonist (of any race) was someone who follows the Qun. At least at the start of the game. Then shit happens as usual and we are dragged into some world threatening plot, but could still remain true to the Qun or defect, according to our own choice. I don't know how well they'd implement a full-blown Qunari PC, but what I'd really like to see is a passionately Tal-Vashoth companion. Like Shokrakar. We've had Qun-loyal Sten, and Bull (and even Tallis) who straddles the fence and can go either way... I think it would be nice to have a former-Qunari companion who has a strong opinion on the Qun and that opinion is bad. For variety's sake. If the Qun is communism, I hope our next Qunari Companion is the DA equivalent of Ayn Rand . Rather than Morrigan's faux-Social Darwinism, they could challenge preconceived notions of identity, independence, self worth, altruism versus self determination and improvement, and such. Of course, the player could point out how this "Virtues of Selfishness" Kossith is still potentially dominated by the Qun, since their personal philosophy is nothing more than doing the opposite of it. Bonus points if we also get a converted Viddathari for them to argue with. Yes, even Tallis, provided the player can call her out and she actually has divergent arcs this time*.
* If I were writing Tallis and wanted to make such arcs different from Iron Bull, I'd have her remain with Qunari no matter what. The difference being she stays a true believer, or like Gatt will seek to improve the Qun from within.
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Walter Black I think it'd be an interesting and unexpected twist if Tallis were to remain Qunari, given all her doubts and "mistakes" (according to her superiors). I'm for it. ~ I know that Adaar's parents settled in the Free Marches after they left the Qun, but I'm trying to decide where exactly they went. What region. Of course this is all headcanon and up to each player but it's something to think about... did they go to Ansburg and become farmers? Did they go to a party city like Wycome - a place with few stringent rules - and try to get lost in the crowd? Maybe they smuggled themselves out of Par Vollen to Rivain and then settled in Hercinia? Went to Tantervale because they liked the familiarity of rules, rules, rules? What kind of work did they do? How did they raise their kid(s)? Ideeeeeas. So many ideeeaas. I think it'd be a bit hilarious/sad if they were from Kirkwall given what happened there. And also the fact that Varric can give you a title and the key to the city.
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Post by the Dame on Feb 8, 2017 19:20:41 GMT
Alistair is way squishier. And so is Iron Bull. But I see your point. I'm currently playing SWTOR (smuggler), just recruited Akaavi Spar, specced her as tank and just enjoy watching her beat the crap out of any imperials that get in our way. That's a true mandalorian. On topic: I would love it if our future protagonist (of any race) was someone who follows the Qun. At least at the start of the game. Then shit happens as usual and we are dragged into some world threatening plot, but could still remain true to the Qun or defect, according to our own choice. I don't know how well they'd implement a full-blown Qunari PC, but what I'd really like to see is a passionately Tal-Vashoth companion. Like Shokrakar. We've had Qun-loyal Sten, and Bull (and even Tallis) who straddles the fence and can go either way... I think it would be nice to have a former-Qunari companion who has a strong opinion on the Qun and that opinion is bad. For variety's sake. Well, it will be interesting, though, I think we heard almost everything about Qun being bad from non-qunari companions *cough*Solas, for one*cough*. Maybe we'll get Tal-Vashoth qunari who will be like "Qun? You think if I'm qunari I have an opinion about the Qun?" just to see how devs picture qunari without pro- or con-Qun agenda. Unrelated to the above, but: for those of you who play Adaar, what's your favorite class and spec for her/him? What decisions do you make with their Vashoth mercenary background in mind? My Adaar just some laid back person who wants to fix things and don't like being told that she is a big threat just because she is qunari. Obviously, she is big and she can be a threat, but compared to some elven tricksters she is all fluff and kind humor. No specific class or choices, except for the drink from the Well.. My Adaar was to squeamish to drink herself, so she let Morrigan do it
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