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Post by Artemis on Jan 29, 2019 19:27:18 GMT
Well if our options are 4 great LI versus 8 half-hearted ones that limit people's options, then I'll go with 4 bi. Also, why is Mae not part of the 2/2/2? She's either a straight or bi woman, so she's one of the 2's. Because no matter how hard you would like to think otherwise, it would not go well for Bioware to make one of the only female romances trans. And I'm not sold with 4 bisexual romances. No. I want gay dudes in my game, and they are not going to add them without romances. Yeah but I really don't give a shit about anyone who doesn't want to romance someone because they're trans. The silent majority of BioWare fans (many of whom don't even bother with romance) aren't going to stop buying their games because of something like that. Plus even if they are, I'm kind of the non-compromising sort when it comes to stuff like that. I'm the same way with my politics xD EDIT: Imagine if BioWare had used that same frame of mind when considering LGB romances. "We'll lose fans if we do that." "Fuck 'em." <<< correct response, and in fairness, it was Gaider's response, too. I respect him for it. (PLUS, HE WAS RIGHT.)
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Post by dirtrider00 on Jan 29, 2019 19:49:23 GMT
Get rid of the gender preference traits for romancing and keep partner options equal. ex: 4 girls, 4 guys. All bi options mean fewer options overall -- we're not going to get 8 bi people. We would still have 4, just as in DA2, because that is still 2/2 for the straight and gay people. In the DAI romance reveal thread, Allan Schumacher said:
I only see two likely scenarios: 4 all-bi options, or 2/2/2, as DAI was originally before Cullen and Solas were added. Hopefully the straight women won't get extra options again. (I'm a straight woman and still think it's annoying.) My ideal for DA2 would be 2/2/2 + Maevaris.
I'm actually probably under thinking it but I don't have a problem with bi's having a chance at 8 play throughs, all the power too them. Most of the actual romance scenes from other bioware games are pretty much generic in terms of sexual orientation and dialogue. Having 8 characters that are romanceable regardless of characters play through sexual orientation gives straight people 4, LG players 4 and the bi players 8. Granted a tad bit more work on Biowares part to render the extra romance scenes and some extra voice acting lines for the VA.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 29, 2019 19:55:28 GMT
Bioware has repeatedly stated they aren't going the all-bi route again.
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Post by Artemis on Jan 29, 2019 20:04:16 GMT
All bi options mean fewer options overall -- we're not going to get 8 bi people. We would still have 4, just as in DA2, because that is still 2/2 for the straight and gay people. In the DAI romance reveal thread, Allan Schumacher said:
I only see two likely scenarios: 4 all-bi options, or 2/2/2, as DAI was originally before Cullen and Solas were added. Hopefully the straight women won't get extra options again. (I'm a straight woman and still think it's annoying.) My ideal for DA2 would be 2/2/2 + Maevaris.
I'm actually probably under thinking it but I don't have a problem with bi's having a chance at 8 play throughs, all the power too them. Most of the actual romance scenes from other bioware games are pretty much generic in terms of sexual orientation and dialogue. Having 8 characters that are romanceable regardless of characters play through sexual orientation gives straight people 4, LG players 4 and the bi players 8. Granted a tad bit more work on Biowares part to render the extra romance scenes and some extra voice acting lines for the VA. They act like it's a ton of work, but it really isn't it. I think what's hardest is major height/size difference b/w characters in a love scene. But like if you take Solas's romance and compare his friendship dialogue with the romantic dialogue it's literally only a few extra voiced lines. Yeah sure a popular VA who charges a shit ton of money for every second he's in the booth is going to be a problem, but then maybe don't shortchange players just so you can hire Mr. Popular.
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Post by dirtrider00 on Jan 29, 2019 20:06:53 GMT
Thats the deal though, they aren't actually making any bi-related material in the sense. If the player is bi, he/she just has the option to play pick from any of the 8 romanceable characters. Only reference from bioware I've seen on an all bi route is from 2014.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jan 29, 2019 20:37:34 GMT
I'm actually probably under thinking it but I don't have a problem with bi's having a chance at 8 play throughs, all the power too them. Did I give the impression that I care about that? I posted a quote from an actual dev about the matter, regarding numbers, illustrating that 4 men and 4 women that are all bi is likely not going to happen. You folks can armchair dev all you want, but that is how they have addressed the issue. Aside from all that, this thread is about race, not gender. Segregating the poll options by gender was because the OP wanted to see what the players themselves were interested in. I primarily play gay romances, but voted for "I'm a lady and I'd romance a human guy" because it's about the player's preference, not your character, or the LI.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 29, 2019 20:52:39 GMT
Because no matter how hard you would like to think otherwise, it would not go well for Bioware to make one of the only female romances trans. And I'm not sold with 4 bisexual romances. No. I want gay dudes in my game, and they are not going to add them without romances. Yeah but I really don't give a shit about anyone who doesn't want to romance someone because they're trans. The silent majority of BioWare fans (many of whom don't even bother with romance) aren't going to stop buying their games because of something like that. Plus even if they are, I'm kind of the non-compromising sort when it comes to stuff like that. I'm the same way with my politics xD EDIT: Imagine if BioWare had used that same frame of mind when considering LGB romances. "We'll lose fans if we do that." "Fuck 'em." <<< correct response, and in fairness, it was Gaider's response, too. I respect him for it. (PLUS, HE WAS RIGHT.) Also Mae is elegant and layered and flawed in interesting ways, and it would be a shame if she wasn’t an LI solely because some people might not like her. Now, if she’s not an LI due to her romantic history, fair enough. I know some players feel weird about LIs talking about their late spouses. Or the writers might want to write a story where she’s not really looking for love after that. But personally, I’d rather see her in the LI roster than not.
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Post by Cybear on Jan 29, 2019 21:37:36 GMT
It really depends on the characters that I have available to romance. Technically speaking I've always romanced human females in my canon PTs (Morrigan, Isabela, Cassandra) and with the exception of DA2 - I have always played male as canon. That said, I'm not adverse to any kind of racial or gender pairing, so if there's a cute female dwarf that I want to romance, then I will, but if there's a sexy male elf that I'm interested in, then I'd go for him.
That said, for the sake of the poll I went 'I'm a guy and I'd romance a human lady', but that's just a small fraction of the truth. The only thing I know for certain is I'll play a male character first, so I'll be restricted to M/F and M/M pairings my first time around. Though if I'm extremely interested in romancing someone who doesn't fall into either of those categories then I'm not adverse to restarting the game, I've done it before.
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Post by Gwydden on Jan 30, 2019 2:48:06 GMT
Also Mae is elegant and layered and flawed in interesting ways, and it would be a shame if she wasn’t an LI solely because some people might not like her. Now, if she’s not an LI due to her romantic history, fair enough. I know some players feel weird about LIs talking about their late spouses. Or the writers might want to write a story where she’s not really looking for love after that. But personally, I’d rather see her in the LI roster than not. I don't really get the Maevaris love, but I'd be impressed if Bioware made her a love interest, and more so if she's only available to male PCs. If she (or any other trans character) is a companion/major NPC but not romanceable, there'll always be this little part of me that'll wonder if they chickened out, since they've talked about wanting to add a trans LI before.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 30, 2019 3:45:09 GMT
Also Mae is elegant and layered and flawed in interesting ways, and it would be a shame if she wasn’t an LI solely because some people might not like her. Now, if she’s not an LI due to her romantic history, fair enough. I know some players feel weird about LIs talking about their late spouses. Or the writers might want to write a story where she’s not really looking for love after that. But personally, I’d rather see her in the LI roster than not. I don't really get the Maevaris love, but I'd be impressed if Bioware made her a love interest, and more so if she's only available to male PCs. If she (or any other trans character) is a companion/major NPC but not romanceable, there'll always be this little part of me that'll wonder if they chickened out, since they've talked about wanting to add a trans LI before. If they make her an LI, she would fill a pretty unique role as far as being a mage that’s solidly part of the dominant power structure, rather than being some flavor of rebel. She’s in the Lucerni, sure, but she’s got real power. Plus she’s very very fancy. There’s a definite appeal to romancing someone as classy as her.
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Post by Artemis on Jan 30, 2019 4:17:04 GMT
Also Mae is elegant and layered and flawed in interesting ways, and it would be a shame if she wasn’t an LI solely because some people might not like her. Now, if she’s not an LI due to her romantic history, fair enough. I know some players feel weird about LIs talking about their late spouses. Or the writers might want to write a story where she’s not really looking for love after that. But personally, I’d rather see her in the LI roster than not. I don't really get the Maevaris love, but I'd be impressed if Bioware made her a love interest, and more so if she's only available to male PCs. If she (or any other trans character) is a companion/major NPC but not romanceable, there'll always be this little part of me that'll wonder if they chickened out, since they've talked about wanting to add a trans LI before. I honestly don't get it either, though she's really pretty and fashionable, so there's that. And she was in that comic, so I'm sure we'd love her more if we read it, obviously xD Bu she's a magister, so... I tend to auto-dislike her.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jan 30, 2019 5:05:26 GMT
Generally, people like Maevaris for the same reason that they like Dorian: characters that are confident with themselves, cynical enough to see the flaws in the system that they benefit from, intelligent and clever enough to make cutting barbs against their detractors, and just generally David Gaider character types. Nobody that likes these characters claims they are prefect paragons, but they do find them interesting and fun.
A bit of a bonus from me is that I get a big-sister vibe in how she feels about Dorian, so I'd love to see that play out in the game with their interaction.
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Post by davkar on Jan 30, 2019 16:45:04 GMT
Lol if Mae is a 'straight' option then they might as well add a canary woman for the m/m pool. Being a 'quiet antelope' or whatever was the term for "canary women don't fight, actually they do, well sort of" retcon.
I have nothing against the character but Mae shouldn't be a romance option. There's also the 'dead spouse' baggage, we've seen that too many times.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 30, 2019 17:21:50 GMT
Lol if Mae is a 'straight' option then they might as well add a canary woman for the m/m pool. Being a 'quiet antelope' or whatever was the term for "canary women don't fight, actually they do, well sort of" retcon. I have nothing against the character but Mae shouldn't be a romance option. There's also the 'dead spouse' baggage, we've seen that too many times. She could and should be a romance option, but people saying she should definitely be the main straight option for straight men because that would be woke and a nice fuck you to people who don't want to date a transgender woman, are just... uh, wow. Her being an option is not a problem. Her being THE option, not smart.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 30, 2019 18:10:40 GMT
Lol if Mae is a 'straight' option then they might as well add a canary woman for the m/m pool. Being a 'quiet antelope' or whatever was the term for "canary women don't fight, actually they do, well sort of" retcon. I have nothing against the character but Mae shouldn't be a romance option. There's also the 'dead spouse' baggage, we've seen that too many times. She could and should be a romance option, but people saying she should definitely be the main straight option for straight men because that would be woke and a nice fuck you to people who don't want to date a transgender woman, are just... uh, wow. Her being an option is not a problem. Her being THE option, not smart. I don’t think people are imagining she’d be the only option. There’s never been only one option for straight protagonists of any gender.
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Post by Artemis on Jan 30, 2019 18:26:55 GMT
She could and should be a romance option, but people saying she should definitely be the main straight option for straight men because that would be woke and a nice fuck you to people who don't want to date a transgender woman, are just... uh, wow. Her being an option is not a problem. Her being THE option, not smart. I don’t think people are imagining she’d be the only option. There’s never been only one option for straight protagonists of any gender. Yeah, so bigots will have another options, don't sweat it.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 30, 2019 21:44:39 GMT
Maevaris would have to be a straight option by default, she can't be anything else. She is not a gay man in drag. She lives as a woman, all day every day, and as far as we know, she's only attracted to men.
I would like to see BioWare have the balls to make it happen, but I can already see the internet flooded with rabid men screaming that they should be able to kill her for "tricking" them.
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Post by Gwydden on Jan 31, 2019 2:28:10 GMT
Maevaris would have to be a straight option by default, she can't be anything else. She is not a gay man in drag. She lives as a woman, all day every day, and as far as we know, she's only attracted to men. I would like to see BioWare have the balls to make it happen, but I can already see the internet flooded with rabid men screaming that they should be able to kill her for "tricking" them. It wouldn't actually be all that risky. It just seems that way. Think about it: the sort of people who would lose their shit over it have already made up their mind that Bioware's pushing the SJW agenda "down their throats" (if only I had a dollar for every time I've heard that exact phrasing). They wouldn't alienate anyone new. Meanwhile, the "controversy" would basically be free marketing and I'd wager quite a few people would want to get a game that's infuriating the already perpetually angry recesses of the Internet so much.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 31, 2019 2:37:49 GMT
Maevaris would have to be a straight option by default, she can't be anything else. She is not a gay man in drag. She lives as a woman, all day every day, and as far as we know, she's only attracted to men. I would like to see BioWare have the balls to make it happen, but I can already see the internet flooded with rabid men screaming that they should be able to kill her for "tricking" them. It wouldn't actually be all that risky. It just seems that way. Think about it: the sort of people who would lose their shit over it have already made up their mind that Bioware's pushing the SJW agenda "down their throats" (if only I had a dollar for every time I've heard that exact phrasing). They wouldn't alienate anyone new. Meanwhile, the "controversy" would basically be free marketing and I'd wager quite a few people would want to get a game that's infuriating the already perpetually angry recesses of the Internet so much. Oh, I don't believe there's any risk to BioWare at all. Not the kind of risk I care about, anyway. I do believe there is a risk of "Gamers (tm)", regardless of whether they even buy the game or not, reacting to such a development by committing violence against transwomen. They already flip their shit if a cis woman even dares to be in the same room as a video game.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 4:35:25 GMT
The comments people will make with a trans character will make all the Cassandra hate look like nothing.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jan 31, 2019 8:52:08 GMT
I don’t think people are imagining she’d be the only option. There’s never been only one option for straight protagonists of any gender. Yeah, so bigots will have another options, don't sweat it. Ok, seriously? I'm a woman and I'm straight and I don't want to date Krem b/c Krem has the sexual bits of a woman, and yes that actually matters to me since I would theoretically be interacting with Krem on that level at some point. So I'm a bigot? Or are you just being an authoritarian dictating to me who I should or shouldn't be attracted to, while also being a bit of a jerk? Its the latter.
Mae can be a romance option. Don't care. Do care that people are being called a bigot for not considering a trans person to be a viable option for them romantically.
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Post by Iddy on Jan 31, 2019 10:45:25 GMT
Fascinating that ladies who like ladies are the only group who put humans at the bottom of their requests. I was wondering about that, and I'm honestly really surprised! Maybe it's less that they don't like humans, and more that we've had three f/f humans and they're angling for something different..? So much defamation against boy dorfs in this thread, gasp! I present this extensive argument for dwarf lovin', aka check out this cute shit: And girl dorfs, 😋 I know I wouldn't mind exploring Scout Harding's deep roads~
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 31, 2019 11:32:22 GMT
Physical attraction is a factor that can't be denied and it certainly WILL be influenced by your sexual orientation. Yeah, for instance, straight men find themselves attracted to trans women all the time.
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Post by Iddy on Jan 31, 2019 12:38:09 GMT
Physical attraction is a factor that can't be denied and it certainly WILL be influenced by your sexual orientation. Yeah, for instance, straight men find themselves attracted to trans women all the time. Physical attraction is... well, physical. If you're talking about pre-op trans women, then those men probably are bisexual.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 31, 2019 13:41:29 GMT
Yeah, for instance, straight men find themselves attracted to trans women all the time. Physical attraction is... well, physical. If you're talking about pre-op trans women, then those men probably are bisexual. That's complete fucking nonsense, because they can't possibly know the state of a trans woman's genitals when they first see her.
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