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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 3, 2019 15:08:19 GMT
Also, all this straight talk is boring. Let's talk about something more important - why so little gay/bi guys chose dwarves. Like I get it, no one wants Oghren, and Varric was around for way too long. But Renn? A++ would date this daddy. Well, maybe it would help if we knew even one gay/bi male dwarf. You know, to feed the fantasy. But, we, know, ZERO. Wtf is up with that? Bioware?
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Post by arvaarad on Feb 3, 2019 15:42:31 GMT
Also, all this straight talk is boring. Let's talk about something more important - why so little gay/bi guys chose dwarves. Like I get it, no one wants Oghren, and Varric was around for way too long. But Renn? A++ would date this daddy. Well, maybe it would help if we knew even one gay/bi male dwarf. You know, to feed the fantasy. But, we, know, ZERO. Wtf is up with that? Bioware? Hopefully we’ll get to see a lot of ambassadoria dwarves in Tevinter. I think part of the problem so far has been, any dwarf that can travel with us on the surface is a surfacer, which limits the kind of dwarves they can be. They’re all sort of outcasts by definition. Which means there haven’t been a lot of dwarven companions overall. But perhaps the rules are different in northern Thedas, and there are ways for dwarves to travel without severing so many connections. Or, maybe we’ll spend enough time dealing with titan stuff that an out-of-party dwarven companion would be viable.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 3, 2019 16:39:11 GMT
Also, all this straight talk is boring. Let's talk about something more important - why so little gay/bi guys chose dwarves. Like I get it, no one wants Oghren, and Varric was around for way too long. But Renn? A++ would date this daddy. I've always liked that armor model. I generally hate the massive DAO sets, but that one looks pretty good. Hm, you raise an interesting point here. I think that Oghren has been the only stereotypical drunken dwarf as a major NPC, so I think for anyone to have that concern would be unfounded.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 3, 2019 16:44:58 GMT
Someone suggested it a few pages ago that a trans romance should be an extra option on top of the optimal 2/2/2/2. If BW wants to this would be the way to do it. That was me, unfortunately. I made the remark as an aside on a completely unrelated issue -- all-bi romances -- stating my preference for DA4. And considering how she's been degraded by this whole discussion, I regret making the comment in the first place, which again, wasn't about Mae at all.
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Post by Rouccoco on Feb 3, 2019 17:58:17 GMT
Well, maybe it would help if we knew even one gay/bi male dwarf. You know, to feed the fantasy. But, we, know, ZERO. Wtf is up with that? Bioware? Gay/bi men in DA are generally pretty confined to romance options, with just a handful of NPCs, all human (Wade and Herren, the Orlesian nobles, the one that flirts with Cullen, Jacen and Corram, and I think that's it), so if you want to see bi dwarves or gay qunari, unless BW is more conscious of that in the future, we'll only see them on the squad. Hm, you raise an interesting point here. I think that Oghren has been the only stereotypical drunken dwarf as a major NPC, so I think for anyone to have that concern would be unfounded. I think the issue here is that a) Oghren and Varric are the male dwarves that come to mind, and Varric is consistently painted as very un-dwarven and basically a unicorn, and we've had three game... parts that concentrated more on dwarves - Origins, Awakening, and Descent. Oghren dominated the first two (when it comes to male dwarves), and many people didn't play the third. I wouldn't be surprised, if people associated male dwarves predominantly with Oghren, seeing as they went to great lengths to separate Varric from it. And I played Origins twice, and I cannot recall all that much about Bhelen or Harrowmont. So what I'm saying is that we need more exposure, and that having the two dwarven outliers be bridge companions didn't help.
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Post by copper on Feb 3, 2019 18:02:36 GMT
Oghren isn't even representative of Orzammar dwarves. There he's as pathetic as a human drunk is on the surface. I kinda wish we got someone like Gorim or Leske as a companion instead.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 3, 2019 18:26:09 GMT
And I played Origins twice, and I cannot recall all that much about Bhelen or Harrowmont. Gorim has a decent-sized fanbase among dwarf fans. Amusingly, he and Oghren share the same VA. It would have been so awesome if his flirt lines were open to both genders. (I'm totally ignorant about dialogue modding, or I'd look into it. However, if his recorded lines have his typical "my lady" lines, I think that might put a damper on it.) Kardol (Legion of the Dead Cmdr.) is popular as well and is more likely to be remembered than Gorim because all players get to meet him. (To the majority of players, Gorim is the annoying "Dwarven crafts!" guy.) But you do make a great point vis-a-vis Varric and being the anti-dwarf. In a way, Varric is sort of a loss when it comes to learning about dwarven culture. The majority of followers essentially serve as ambassadors [to the player], but Varric rejects dwarven culture. That's not to say that view is invalid, but that it doesn't help the player learn anything about dwarves or offer new insight into them as a people. We had that for two full games*, so it would be nice to have a dwarfy dwarf again.
* Then again, DAI was full of misfits and rejects. Blackwall wasn't a real grey warden, Cullen was a former templar, Sera and Solas both reject elfy elves (in different ways, for different reasons), Dorian rejects Tevinter, Iron Bull is critical of the Qun even before he leaves it, and even Cassandra fights against the Chantry to a degree. Varric rejecting dwarven culture isn't so out of place among that company.
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Post by Liadan on Feb 3, 2019 18:45:43 GMT
Not a male dwarf but i think the most dwarfy dwarf companion we got so far was Sigrun, with her Legion of the Dead and casteless background. For DA4 i would also like a male dwarf with strong connections with the dwarven culture, he could be from Orzammar, Kal-Sharok or the Ambassadoria in Tevinter, but i really would like a companion dwarf that is not a surface dwarf or a Carta dwarf.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 19:30:44 GMT
I think the trouble with a traditional dwarf is their restrictions on going to the surface. The writing doesn't give them much wiggle room. I think unless my lore brain is defunct they can only go to the surface if required to for a blight via the contract with the wardens. anything other than that they lose their status. (hell maybe even then I snoozed through a lot of dwarven lore). Does anyone know if there's a loophole to work with?
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Post by Artemis on Feb 3, 2019 19:33:31 GMT
Spirit of love that can transform into a spirit of obsession halfway through the romance. I can almost taste the angst. Calling all Solas romancers. Loving someone is so much more, though, than a simple emotion, however pure. I just don't think spirits are complex enough to love as people do. From what I can remember, there's a codex entry where a mage summons a spirit (forgot what type) and falls in love with it. The spirit eventually turns into a desire demon and kills the man, which shows just how fickle a spirit's nature can be. I mean, if you can't feel passionately towards your partner or lust after them without it turning on you, what's the point of even engaging in a romance with it? I like the concept of spirits; they are a totally different species, a total Other. I like that Solas sees them as people, and I love how that's juxtaposed with Vivienne's raw fear and hatred of these Others. Spirits can form friendships with people (not sure what word to use here since I'm also including Solas, so "mortal" doesn't work), but I doubt even Solas would believe himself capable of falling in love with one. "It's simply not in their nature to form romantic attachments in the ways that we understand them," he might say. And he would respect that about them.
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Post by Artemis on Feb 3, 2019 19:34:59 GMT
I think the trouble with a traditional dwarf is their restrictions on going to the surface. The writing doesn't give them much wiggle room. I think unless my lore brain is defunct they can only go to the surface if required to for a blight via the contract with the wardens. anything other than that they lose their status. (hell maybe even then I snoozed through a lot of dwarven lore). Does anyone know if there's a loophole to work with? Good writing can fix almost anything. A dwarf character could be given a new position by his king/queen to appear on the surface and perform whatever task the game requires.
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 3, 2019 19:36:33 GMT
On the dwarf discussion I'm already preoccupied ('broken record' I know...)
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Feb 3, 2019 20:04:21 GMT
On the dwarf discussion I'm already preoccupied ('broken record' I know...) I mean, I get it. But no. Also - stop creating memes in Powerpoint. It's unsettling.
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 3, 2019 20:14:18 GMT
Also - stop creating memes in Powerpoint. It's unsettling. It's what I know... Anyway, back to dwarves...
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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 3, 2019 20:48:59 GMT
Also, all this straight talk is boring. Let's talk about something more important - why so little gay/bi guys chose dwarves. Like I get it, no one wants Oghren, and Varric was around for way too long. But Renn? A++ would date this daddy. I don't want to have to ask for a high chair at restaurants.
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 3, 2019 20:56:39 GMT
Also, all this straight talk is boring. Let's talk about something more important - why so little gay/bi guys chose dwarves. Like I get it, no one wants Oghren, and Varric was around for way too long. But Renn? A++ would date this daddy. I don't want to have to ask for a high chair at restaurants. What kind of giraffe restaurants are you going to?
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Post by Rouccoco on Feb 3, 2019 21:05:19 GMT
Kardol (Legion of the Dead Cmdr.) is popular as well and is more likely to be remembered than Gorim because all players get to meet him. (To the majority of players, Gorim is the annoying "Dwarven crafts!" guy.) Wanted to say this reading the first sentence - Gorim is a pretty minor character for most players. Still, even if they reject it, many of the characters give us a lot of info on their groups. Dorian speaks a lot about Tevinter, Bull gives you details about the Qun before leaving it, Solas tells you stuff about ancient elves. Varric is like Sera, in that they reject everything dwarveny/elfy. But dwarves, unlike elves and qunari, just have too little noteworthy characters to balance someone like Varric out.
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Post by Rouccoco on Feb 3, 2019 21:13:59 GMT
I don't want to have to ask for a high chair at restaurants. They're mostly leg short, they wouldn't have more issues at a restaurant than Danny DeVito. Now, if you had mentioned roller-coasters... (and now my search history includes "Danny DeVito at a table," yes, my life is going well)
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Post by arvaarad on Feb 3, 2019 21:20:31 GMT
From what I can remember, there's a codex entry where a mage summons a spirit (forgot what type) and falls in love with it. The spirit eventually turns into a desire demon and kills the man, which shows just how fickle a spirit's nature can be. I mean, if you can't feel passionately towards your partner or lust after them without it turning on you, what's the point of even engaging in a romance with it? I like the concept of spirits; they are a totally different species, a total Other. I like that Solas sees them as people, and I love how that's juxtaposed with Vivienne's raw fear and hatred of these Others. Spirits can form friendships with people (not sure what word to use here since I'm also including Solas, so "mortal" doesn't work), but I doubt even Solas would believe himself capable of falling in love with one. "It's simply not in their nature to form romantic attachments in the ways that we understand them," he might say. And he would respect that about them. Nothing about the Fade or spirits is simple, especially not that.
Aha! So you do have experience in these matters!
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Post by Lady Artifice on Feb 3, 2019 21:24:29 GMT
Spirit of love that can transform into a spirit of obsession halfway through the romance. I can almost taste the angst. Calling all Solas romancers. Loving someone is so much more, though, than a simple emotion, however pure. I just don't think spirits are complex enough to love as people do. From what I can remember, there's a codex entry where a mage summons a spirit (forgot what type) and falls in love with it. The spirit eventually turns into a desire demon and kills the man, which shows just how fickle a spirit's nature can be. I mean, if you can't feel passionately towards your partner or lust after them without it turning on you, what's the point of even engaging in a romance with it? I don't know guys, I feel like you're ignoring a pretty big precedent. We had the option of encouraging Cole to become more of "a person" and it led to his developing a romantic attachment. Solas' initial character arc, and a bunch of stuff from Merrill, suggests that spirits are way more complex than the lens of the early games might lead us to think. I think it depends on the age and experience of the spirit in question.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Feb 3, 2019 21:43:57 GMT
From what I can remember, there's a codex entry where a mage summons a spirit (forgot what type) and falls in love with it. The spirit eventually turns into a desire demon and kills the man, which shows just how fickle a spirit's nature can be. I mean, if you can't feel passionately towards your partner or lust after them without it turning on you, what's the point of even engaging in a romance with it? I like the concept of spirits; they are a totally different species, a total Other. I like that Solas sees them as people, and I love how that's juxtaposed with Vivienne's raw fear and hatred of these Others. Spirits can form friendships with people (not sure what word to use here since I'm also including Solas, so "mortal" doesn't work), but I doubt even Solas would believe himself capable of falling in love with one. "It's simply not in their nature to form romantic attachments in the ways that we understand them," he might say. And he would respect that about them. But the thing is that he skirts around this topic more than once in his story arc, and he never does say that. In fact, most of what he actually says suggests a great deal of possible variety among spirits as a group, degrees of depth and complexity. He formed such a deep and powerful affection with the wisdom spirit in his story arc, why would a friendship like that taking on a romantic flavor be so improbable? I don't know why I'm championing this. I'm not gunning hard for a spirit romance or anything. I just don't think it's as hard to imagine as other people do, I guess.
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Post by Artemis on Feb 3, 2019 21:49:27 GMT
I like the concept of spirits; they are a totally different species, a total Other. I like that Solas sees them as people, and I love how that's juxtaposed with Vivienne's raw fear and hatred of these Others. Spirits can form friendships with people (not sure what word to use here since I'm also including Solas, so "mortal" doesn't work), but I doubt even Solas would believe himself capable of falling in love with one. "It's simply not in their nature to form romantic attachments in the ways that we understand them," he might say. And he would respect that about them. Nothing about the Fade or spirits is simple, especially not that.
Aha! So you do have experience in these matters!
I did not say that.
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Post by Artemis on Feb 3, 2019 21:50:03 GMT
From what I can remember, there's a codex entry where a mage summons a spirit (forgot what type) and falls in love with it. The spirit eventually turns into a desire demon and kills the man, which shows just how fickle a spirit's nature can be. I mean, if you can't feel passionately towards your partner or lust after them without it turning on you, what's the point of even engaging in a romance with it? I don't know guys, I feel like you're ignoring a pretty big precedent. We had the option of encouraging Cole to become more of "a person" and it led to his developing a romantic attachment. Solas' initial character arc, and a bunch of stuff from Merrill, suggests that spirits are way more complex than the lens of the early games might lead us to think. I think it depends on the age and experience of the spirit in question. Definitely, but so far Cole's a bit of a Marty Stu as far as spirits are concerned. EDIT: Also, not sure we've yet seen whether or not Cole is capable of romantic love.
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Post by Artemis on Feb 3, 2019 21:52:50 GMT
I like the concept of spirits; they are a totally different species, a total Other. I like that Solas sees them as people, and I love how that's juxtaposed with Vivienne's raw fear and hatred of these Others. Spirits can form friendships with people (not sure what word to use here since I'm also including Solas, so "mortal" doesn't work), but I doubt even Solas would believe himself capable of falling in love with one. "It's simply not in their nature to form romantic attachments in the ways that we understand them," he might say. And he would respect that about them. But the thing is that he skirts around this topic more than once in his story arc, and he never does say that. In fact, most of what he actually says suggests a great deal of possible variety among spirits as a group, degrees of depth and complexity. He formed such a deep and powerful affection with the wisdom spirit in his story arc, why would a friendship like that taking on a romantic flavor be so improbable? I don't know why I'm championing this. I'm not gunning hard for a spirit romance or anything. I just don't think it's as hard to imagine as other people do, I guess. lol Sometimes it is just fun to argue points xD Yeah, I know, but I think their understanding of "friendship" was different for each one. That's what I mean by calling a spirit an Other. I don't think the spirit loved Solas in the same way he cared for her (not talking romantic love, of course). It's almost like we may not have the words to explain how spirits experience the world. After all, some of them are so curious about how people/mortals feel things that they attempt to come into "our" world and experience human emotion.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Feb 3, 2019 21:57:31 GMT
I don't know guys, I feel like you're ignoring a pretty big precedent. We had the option of encouraging Cole to become more of "a person" and it led to his developing a romantic attachment. Solas' initial character arc, and a bunch of stuff from Merrill, suggests that spirits are way more complex than the lens of the early games might lead us to think. I think it depends on the age and experience of the spirit in question. Definitely, but so far Cole's a bit of a Marty Stu as far as spirits are concerned. EDIT: Also, not sure we've yet seen whether or not Cole is capable of romantic love. But then what do you call his snuggling and flirting with and dating Maryden? Perhaps you could put the goalpost for whether it's actually love as some kind of deeper display, like a sacrifice or something. But surely that establishes at least romantic affection.
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