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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 3, 2020 18:35:07 GMT
- Speaking of sucky things about the industry...PlayStation @playstationYour friendly neighborhood Spider-Man comes to Marvel's Avengers, exclusively on PlayStation. Crystal Dynamics offers early details on its own, unique take on the post-launch Hero: play.st/33plZZw NiceI sw recentl ythey weer going to addHawkeye to the game. But if they'er addin gSpidey this is goin gt obe really cool. Wasn' tsuer the ywere going to as he has his own game. I'll definitely take it as I think he'll befun to play as too.
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 3, 2020 18:40:37 GMT
NiceI sw recentl ythey weer going to addHawkeye to the game. But if they'er addin gSpidey this is goin gt obe really cool. Wasn' tsuer the ywere going to as he has his own game. I'll definitely take it as I think he'll befun to play as too. It would be great... if Spidey wasn't a PS exclusive in a cross-platform game.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 3, 2020 18:55:27 GMT
NiceI sw recentl ythey weer going to addHawkeye to the game. But if they'er addin gSpidey this is goin gt obe really cool. Wasn' tsuer the ywere going to as he has his own game. I'll definitely take it as I think he'll befun to play as too. It would be great... if Spidey wasn't a PS exclusive in a cross-platform game. Mayb ethey'll add him to the other versions later as they have said that the heroes that are being added later will be free for everyone. I have pre ordereed the game on Steam and I am looking forward to i tbut it's a waiting game now. I do hope they have a good mix of heroes planned though. Fo rexample if the ywanted t odo a stealth typ elevel o rstor ythe ycould add someon elike Su eStorm o rsomething (otherwise known as th eInvisible Woman from Fantastic 4) something like that I could see working quite well.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Aug 3, 2020 19:23:19 GMT
Sony has done that multiple times with other third party cross platform games, having PS exclusive content, that's really shitty. Considering Sony owns the rights to Spiderman it's obviously going to be PS exclusive, unless Square Enix/Microsoft is willing to throw some millions at Sony to have it on XB/PC, even then Sony might say no just to increase PS5 sales.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 3, 2020 19:30:09 GMT
Sony has done that multiple times with other third party cross platform games, having PS exclusive content, that's really shitty. Considering Sony owns the rights to Spiderman it's obviously going to be PS exclusive, unless Square Enix/Microsoft is willing to throw some millions at Sony to have it on XB/PC, even then Sony might say no just to increase PS5 sales. Yeah it is a bit shitty all we can do is hope it's a timed exclusive in that once that time expires Spidey can be added to the other platforms. Much like when Rise of the TR came to XBox firstand then cam eto the other platforms later once that ecclusivity ran out.
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Post by Gwydden on Aug 3, 2020 19:33:30 GMT
Yet cdpr still being praised no matter what. Imagine if this news was about BW, there would be tons of outraged videos and post, YongYea leading the charge. Hypocrisy everywhere. What do you think is the point of the whole "player-focused" thing? CDPR suck up to gamers not out of the goodness of their hearts, but as a PR stunt. By now we should know gamers will make a big fuss about how companies treat them but couldn't care less about workers unless they have an axe to grind.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 3, 2020 19:39:07 GMT
Sony has done that multiple times with other third party cross platform games, having PS exclusive content, that's really shitty. Considering Sony owns the rights to Spiderman it's obviously going to be PS exclusive, unless Square Enix/Microsoft is willing to throw some millions at Sony to have it on XB/PC, even then Sony might say no just to increase PS5 sales. I say this as a ps4 owner. Yeah it sucks, but this is nothing new though. Ubisoft has 'sided' if you will with Xbox for Watch Dogs and Valhalla. I don't know what that means necessarily in terms of content, but still. Of course it's not the same as a integral character being an exclusive in a multiplatform game. This is a blast from the past, but I remember Trespasser being a timed for Xbox. I'm thankful though that Marvel and Sony are talking, I remember when there was serious talk of Spidey being removed from the MCU.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 3, 2020 19:40:54 GMT
Sony has done that multiple times with other third party cross platform games, having PS exclusive content, that's really shitty. Considering Sony owns the rights to Spiderman it's obviously going to be PS exclusive, unless Square Enix/Microsoft is willing to throw some millions at Sony to have it on XB/PC, even then Sony might say no just to increase PS5 sales. I fear they’re only going to do things like this more and more, since consensus seems to be the new Xbox is the better console of this upcoming generation.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 3, 2020 20:07:55 GMT
Yet cdpr still being praised no matter what. Imagine if this news was about BW, there would be tons of outraged videos and post, YongYea leading the charge. Hypocrisy everywhere. From the Kotaku articles on BW, we know they have a bad reputation for crunch as well. And at the time they did get slammed in the media for it as well. But you're right, CDPR is the golden boy of the industry and won't get anywhere near flack other studios would. The thing is that BioWare doesn't have a bad reputation for crunch, BioWare is known for crunch in the industry and there is a big difference. There is another AskAGameDev posting and I cannot find it for Tumblr is a pain to search where he talked about BioWare's crunch is pretty average in the industry for studios that have crunch. Its just that its BioWare and EA where places know they can get clicks for writing negative articles about them and CDPR they will get nothing but backlash if they write about them. Its my problem with those Kotaku articles is that they come across as biased once you know how the rest of the industry handles crunch. I will continue to search and if I find it, I will add it in. This isn't the one I was thinking of, but it sort of addresses it too. Link
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 3, 2020 20:51:16 GMT
The thing is that BioWare doesn't have a bad reputation for crunch, BioWare is known for crunch in the industry and there is a big difference. There is another AskAGameDev posting and I cannot find it for Tumblr is a pain to search where he talked about BioWare's crunch is pretty average in the industry for studios that have crunch. Its just that its BioWare and EA where places know they can get clicks for writing negative articles about them and CDPR they will get nothing but backlash if they write about them. Its my problem with those Kotaku articles is that they come across as biased once you know how the rest of the industry handles crunch. I didn't mean to suggest it wasn't a problem at other AAA studios - I know it is. But that said, they do have a "bad" reputation for crunch, as undoubtedly others. There was another report a few months back mentioning that BW has been bleeding a lot of staff over the last year or so, not just the high profile exits. And I think Jason shining a light on this is ultimately a good thing. The industry needs more exposés like this, and you should actually want that light shone on your favorite studios. Because sometimes change only happens when the studio's bad behaviour is made public.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Aug 3, 2020 20:59:18 GMT
360 million dollars, not including the ship sales + 10 years and all they have is a glorified tech demo, ironically they need a publisher and fire Chris Roberts.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 3, 2020 21:26:51 GMT
360 million dollars, not including the ship sales + 10 years and all they have is a glorified tech demo, ironically they need a publisher and fire Chris Roberts. Yeah that mess of a gam eis takin gforever I like the idea of the gam ean Squadro n42 bu tthey won' tsee a penny of my money until it's out.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 3, 2020 21:27:22 GMT
The thing is that BioWare doesn't have a bad reputation for crunch, BioWare is known for crunch in the industry and there is a big difference. There is another AskAGameDev posting and I cannot find it for Tumblr is a pain to search where he talked about BioWare's crunch is pretty average in the industry for studios that have crunch. Its just that its BioWare and EA where places know they can get clicks for writing negative articles about them and CDPR they will get nothing but backlash if they write about them. Its my problem with those Kotaku articles is that they come across as biased once you know how the rest of the industry handles crunch. I didn't mean to suggest it wasn't a problem at other AAA studios - I know it is. But that said, they do have a "bad" reputation for crunch, as undoubtedly others. There was another report a few months back mentioning that BW has been bleeding a lot of staff over the last year or so, not just the high profile exits. And I think Jason shining a light on this is ultimately a good thing. The industry needs more exposés like this, and you should actually want that light shone on your favorite studios. Because sometimes change only happens when the studio's bad behaviour is made public. Its semantics I think here, but I don't think BioWare has a "bad" reputation for crunch, just that they have a reputation for crunch because with having that reputation it is known what they are doing. I don't think having a reputation is either good or bad unless it gets to extreme levels (such as CDPR and Naughty Dog). As far as more employees leaving, I haven't heard of any more then I would expect from prior game releases (and what I read in that article I linked) where BioWare has a 10% to 20% attrition rate after shipping a game. Since games are requiring more and more people to complete the number of people leaving would be higher at the end of a project or after all the bonuses are paid out. With Jason Schreier I am all for him bringing a light to crunch, but I want him to treat all studios the same. Some of his articles about BioWare don't feel like he is holding BioWare to the same standard he holds other studios to. Especially during the Inquisition article he references his book about the problems of Frostbite. Its been awhile, but the way I remember Jason Schreier's article about the crunch at BioWare he never gave numbers of what the crunch was all he did use was terms to get people more emotionally attached without being accurate. I know I am being hard on Jason Schreier right now, but its a problem I have with a lot of coverage of the game industry is that it doesn't feel consistent so I really don't care what people are saying the most of the time because I feel it is driven too much by outside forces instead of trying to let the piece stand on its own. I even made comments on different places that covered the Gigaleak from Nintendo commenting how big a hypocrite they were being about the horrible practices of game development are and they decided to skirt the law by posting direct tweets of the articles showing the stolen information.
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 3, 2020 22:24:40 GMT
As far as more employees leaving, I haven't heard of any more then I would expect from prior game releases (and what I read in that article I linked) where BioWare has a 10% to 20% attrition rate after shipping a game. Since games are requiring more and more people to complete the number of people leaving would be higher at the end of a project or after all the bonuses are paid out. There's a couple of articles that touch on this, one more recent than this, but I wasn't able to find it atm. However, here's a slightly older one: This also led to attrition over the course of Anthem’s development, and a glance through the game’s credits reveals a number of names of people who left during 2017 and 2018. “People were leaving in droves,” said one developer who left. “It was just really shocking how many people were going.”
“We hear about the big people,” said another developer who left. “When [writer] Drew Karpyshyn leaves, it makes big waves. But a lot of people don’t realize that there were a ton of really talented game designers who left BioWare and no one knows. The general public is unaware of who these people are.”With Jason Schreier I am all for him bringing a light to crunch, but I want him to treat all studios the same. Some of his articles about BioWare don't feel like he is holding BioWare to the same standard he holds other studios to. It's not as though he hasn't gone after Rockstar, CDPR, Treyarch, Naughty Dog, etc.. And if he holds BWs feet to the fire more than the others, the better the chances conditions might actually improve the for devs there. Have at it I say. Remember, what was the first thing that happened when Jason posted his article on BW - it took them all of one day to finally acknowledge they had issues they needed to address. And they didn't deny what was in the article. What the industry needs are more journalists willing to do these kinds of stories, and not just be content to be the marketing arm for the industry. While there's the odd article here and there, AFAIK it's mostly Jason doing these. And he's one guy, it's a big industry, and it takes a long time to produce these articles.
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Post by Gwydden on Aug 3, 2020 22:46:43 GMT
With Jason Schreier I am all for him bringing a light to crunch, but I want him to treat all studios the same. Some of his articles about BioWare don't feel like he is holding BioWare to the same standard he holds other studios to. Especially during the Inquisition article he references his book about the problems of Frostbite. Its been awhile, but the way I remember Jason Schreier's article about the crunch at BioWare he never gave numbers of what the crunch was all he did use was terms to get people more emotionally attached without being accurate. I know I am being hard on Jason Schreier right now, but its a problem I have with a lot of coverage of the game industry is that it doesn't feel consistent so I really don't care what people are saying the most of the time because I feel it is driven too much by outside forces instead of trying to let the piece stand on its own. I even made comments on different places that covered the Gigaleak from Nintendo commenting how big a hypocrite they were being about the horrible practices of game development are and they decided to skirt the law by posting direct tweets of the articles showing the stolen information. What made me respect Schreier was how in every interview he pestered Marcin Iwinski (co-founder of CDPR) about crunch in his studio, even though it was clear Iwinski would rather not talk about it. However Cyberpunk 2077 ends up doing, I'm really hoping someone if not Schreier will manage to write an expose about what's been going on behind the scenes. A game that's been in some form of development for over eight years, that's been delayed multiple times and seen a revolving door of people working on it, from a developer with no major releases in the last half decade and which has apparently massively overworked employees throughout? That screams loads of unseen troubles.
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Post by river82 on Aug 3, 2020 23:30:11 GMT
Take-Two Interactive has said it will price NBA 2K21 on next-generation consoles at $70 -- $10 more than its current-generation counterpart.
"There hasn't been a price increase for frontline titles for a really long time, despite the fact that it costs a great deal more to make those titles," Zelnick replied. "And we think with the value we offer consumers...and the kind of experience you can really only have on these next-generation consoles, that the price is justified. But it's easy to say that when you're delivering extraordinary quality, and that's what our company prides itself on doing."
I pressed him on the matter of Ubisoft, and asked whether he felt it was necessary for the rest of the AAA publishing industry to be on board for consumers to accept a price hike.
"We just speak for ourselves," he said. "Obviously, we don't speak for the industry and the industry naturally does not coordinate on these matters, to say the very least. The pricing has to reflect the quality of the experience, and we aim to provide the best experiences in the business. And from our point of view, it's an extremely modest price change given that prices haven't changed for a very long time."
Update: During today's earnings call, CEO Strauss Zelnick confirmed that it would be deciding and announcing pricing of next-generation software on a "title-by-title basis," implying that not all next-generation games would necessarily get the $10 price hike.www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-08-03-take-two-interactive-next-gen-software-price-increases-reflect-the-quality-of-the-experience
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 4, 2020 3:17:14 GMT
PS4 REPRE-SENT! WOOT WOOT!
Are we all seriously going to pretend that Xbox never has exclusive content for multi-platform games? They literally announced Xbox-exclusive DLC for Outer Worlds *last week*.
Content is what sells consoles, so what were you expecting?
"B-but Phil Spencer said-!" yeah, and I'll believe him when Halo and Fable come to Playstation.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 4, 2020 3:25:46 GMT
As far as more employees leaving, I haven't heard of any more then I would expect from prior game releases (and what I read in that article I linked) where BioWare has a 10% to 20% attrition rate after shipping a game. Since games are requiring more and more people to complete the number of people leaving would be higher at the end of a project or after all the bonuses are paid out. There's a couple of articles that touch on this, one more recent than this, but I wasn't able to find it atm. However, here's a slightly older one: This also led to attrition over the course of Anthem’s development, and a glance through the game’s credits reveals a number of names of people who left during 2017 and 2018. “People were leaving in droves,” said one developer who left. “It was just really shocking how many people were going.”
“We hear about the big people,” said another developer who left. “When [writer] Drew Karpyshyn leaves, it makes big waves. But a lot of people don’t realize that there were a ton of really talented game designers who left BioWare and no one knows. The general public is unaware of who these people are.”With Jason Schreier I am all for him bringing a light to crunch, but I want him to treat all studios the same. Some of his articles about BioWare don't feel like he is holding BioWare to the same standard he holds other studios to. It's not as though he hasn't gone after Rockstar, CDPR, Treyarch, Naughty Dog, etc.. And if he holds BWs feet to the fire more than the others, the better the chances conditions might actually improve the for devs there. Have at it I say. Remember, what was the first thing that happened when Jason posted his article on BW - it took them all of one day to finally acknowledge they had issues they needed to address. And they didn't deny what was in the article. What the industry needs are more journalists willing to do these kinds of stories, and not just be content to be the marketing arm for the industry. While there's the odd article here and there, AFAIK it's mostly Jason doing these. And he's one guy, it's a big industry, and it takes a long time to produce these articles. Never saw that article, but if people were leaving then people were leaving. Its still hard to really know how many people were leaving overall even if that developer was shocked its hard to know if it was outside the norm or just caught that one person off guard. I think they said they had 600 people working on Anthem and if 20% of that leaves it would be 120 people leaving BioWare so that would fit into what that one developer was saying. As far as people being unaware of people leaving that is just normal for the industry like you posted CDPR lost 80% of the people that worked on The Witcher 2 and that might not even include turnover for people that were hired as replacements and nobody really talked about that. I agree more people need to work these stories, but the problem if you aren't consistent at least the way I see it is that studios might not change if they feel they are the singular targets if others can get away with it. Even with his articles about CDPR Jason Schreier had to come out publicly and claim he liked their games to try and manage the masses that were getting upset at him for writing that article. Its not his intent, but having to play double standards because its okay to write a piece about BioWare, but then take it easy on CDPR because people online are getting unruly to me means that BioWare might not really care about changing if they are the only target for Jason Schreier. Lip service can go both ways and if the journalists are walking away from holding other people to the fire and nobody is being responsible it can go both ways. I have seen that on a much smaller scale, but it does happen.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 4, 2020 3:26:27 GMT
PS4 REPRE-SENT! WOOT WOOT! Are we all seriously going to pretend that Xbox never has exclusive content for multi-platform games? They literally announced Xbox-exclusive DLC for Outer Worlds *last week*. Its for the PS4 as well. They just announced it was coming to the Xbox at a Xbox event, but when asked after it was clarified to be coming for the PS4 as well. LinkIt was at the end of the article, but they say the DLC is coming for the PS4 as well, but that is probably because the Outer Worlds was released before the purchase and my guess is all future Obsidian content will be PS/XB exclusive.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 4, 2020 3:32:11 GMT
PS4 REPRE-SENT! WOOT WOOT! Are we all seriously going to pretend that Xbox never has exclusive content for multi-platform games? They literally announced Xbox-exclusive DLC for Outer Worlds *last week*. Its for the PS4 as well. They just announced it was coming to the Xbox at a Xbox event, but when asked after it was clarified to be coming for the PS4 as well. LinkIt was at the end of the article, but they say the DLC is coming for the PS4 as well, but that is probably because the Outer Worlds was released before the purchase and my guess is all future Obsidian content will be PS/XB exclusive. Alright then, but as I amended my post to say, when Microsoft starts releasing its massive, exclusive tentpole franchises on Sony machines, that's when I'll believe that Phil Spencer's remarks against console exclusivity are anything more than empty rhetoric, designed to get gamers onside after Sony absolutely TRASHED them this year with a stable of excellent, well-performing exclusives.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 4, 2020 3:35:24 GMT
With Jason Schreier I am all for him bringing a light to crunch, but I want him to treat all studios the same. Some of his articles about BioWare don't feel like he is holding BioWare to the same standard he holds other studios to. Especially during the Inquisition article he references his book about the problems of Frostbite. Its been awhile, but the way I remember Jason Schreier's article about the crunch at BioWare he never gave numbers of what the crunch was all he did use was terms to get people more emotionally attached without being accurate. I know I am being hard on Jason Schreier right now, but its a problem I have with a lot of coverage of the game industry is that it doesn't feel consistent so I really don't care what people are saying the most of the time because I feel it is driven too much by outside forces instead of trying to let the piece stand on its own. I even made comments on different places that covered the Gigaleak from Nintendo commenting how big a hypocrite they were being about the horrible practices of game development are and they decided to skirt the law by posting direct tweets of the articles showing the stolen information. What made me respect Schreier was how in every interview he pestered Marcin Iwinski (co-founder of CDPR) about crunch in his studio, even though it was clear Iwinski would rather not talk about it. However Cyberpunk 2077 ends up doing, I'm really hoping someone if not Schreier will manage to write an expose about what's been going on behind the scenes. A game that's been in some form of development for over eight years, that's been delayed multiple times and seen a revolving door of people working on it, from a developer with no major releases in the last half decade and which has apparently massively overworked employees throughout? That screams loads of unseen troubles. I agree, it was persistent of Schreier in that article, but after releasing it he had to come out and say he liked CDPRs games to try and get the attacks to slow down. That is the problem I have with the gaming culture and why I have a hard time with articles for you never know when punches are pulled because people might get upset at their chosen developer for being called out for being the sleazebag they are. The one thing I don't think has gotten enough coverage since people like to say Anthem was made in 18 months was that at E3 2019 there was a couple of comments talking about how different the game was from the E3 2018 preview, which again gives me concern about the crunch behavior. Here is the full article
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 4, 2020 3:37:37 GMT
Its for the PS4 as well. They just announced it was coming to the Xbox at a Xbox event, but when asked after it was clarified to be coming for the PS4 as well. LinkIt was at the end of the article, but they say the DLC is coming for the PS4 as well, but that is probably because the Outer Worlds was released before the purchase and my guess is all future Obsidian content will be PS/XB exclusive. Alright then, but as I amended my post to say, when Microsoft starts releasing its massive, exclusive tentpole franchises on Sony machines, that's when I'll believe that Phil Spencer's remarks against console exclusivity are anything more than empty rhetoric, designed to get gamers onside after Sony absolutely TRASHED them this year with a stable of excellent, well-performing exclusives. Fair, I do think with this generation the PS4 had a much better selection of exclusives even though I don't think there were many it was still more then what Xbox offered. I do think that Microsoft with their spending spree has a chance to come up to the Playstation exclusivity quality, but that is something for the future to give us.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 4, 2020 5:06:45 GMT
Sony has done that multiple times with other third party cross platform games, having PS exclusive content, that's really shitty. Considering Sony owns the rights to Spiderman it's obviously going to be PS exclusive, unless Square Enix/Microsoft is willing to throw some millions at Sony to have it on XB/PC, even then Sony might say no just to increase PS5 sales. I fear they’re only going to do things like this more and more, since consensus seems to be the new Xbox is the better console of this upcoming generation. From a technical standpoint, but it won’t matter if it doesn’t have content to outmatch the competitor.
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Post by Rascoth on Aug 4, 2020 7:29:43 GMT
And as far as the EU labour laws are concerned, I don't know... maybe there's a loophole in the Polish labour laws that allow for this? They do have to pay OT, I do know that. The same laws apply in Poland as in the rest of EU. The only loophole I can think of right now is freelance work, where your working hours are based on deadline rather than average 40h/week.
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