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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 11, 2020 22:00:51 GMT
Halo haloHalo Infinite Development Update - Delayed to 2021. Not a big surprise given the rather tepid reception to the trailer. And with that, the one game I was looking forward to for the holiday season is gone.
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They can ignore the shareholders if they want, its a non-binding vote. So was Brexit.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 12, 2020 20:22:43 GMT
Halo haloHalo Infinite Development Update - Delayed to 2021. Not a big surprise given the rather tepid reception to the trailer. And with that, the one game I was looking forward to for the holiday season is gone. PS5 fans are celebrating this move strangely enough.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Aug 12, 2020 21:12:23 GMT
Yes, how exciting... Guess Alan Wake will remain the only one of their games I ever played. The only Epic timed exclusive I'm tempted to buy on Steam is Outer Wilds due to all the hype. I may or may not end up being spiteful enough to resist, lol.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 13, 2020 6:01:05 GMT
I wonder if people would be similary upset if Steam were making exclusivity deals to cut Epic and other digital shopfronts out of the market.
Assuming Steam isn't already making exclusivity deals. For all I know they are. I don't pay that much attention to the issue.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Aug 13, 2020 10:53:41 GMT
I doubt GOG users would like it if Valve started exclusivity wars too lol, still nothing stops Valve from throwing money if they wanted to, they clearly don't care because they got the biggest library of games and users and the best PC platform too. Though I wouldn't mind CDPR throwing money for exclusivity considering GOG is DRM free, their launcher is optional.
I personally don't care, I ain't downloading launcher No.9568743 and creating account No.8375642, if it's not available for purchase on my pre-existing launchers, it might as well not exist, plenty of other games to play, including plenty that I own and didn't get the time to finish lol.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 13, 2020 12:07:55 GMT
I doubt GOG users would like it if Valve started exclusivity wars too lol, still nothing stops Valve from throwing money if they wanted to, they clearly don't care because they got the biggest library of games and users and the best PC platform too. Though I wouldn't mind CDPR throwing money for exclusivity considering GOG is DRM free, their launcher is optional. I personally don't care, I ain't downloading launcher No.9568743 and creating account No.8375642, if it's not available for purchase on my pre-existing launchers, it might as well not exist, plenty of other games to play, including plenty that I own and didn't get the time to finish lol. Well, that's sort of what I am getting at. I think the thing that angers the people who are angry isn't that it's exclusive to a platform, but that it's exclusive to a platform they don't already have, and they would literally prefer Valve to have a total monopoly over digital game sales than go through the minor inconvenience (and it is VERY minor) of creating a free account on another platform. If people have some OTHER idea for how other digital storefronts can meaningfully compete with Steam despite it having everything already and everyone already having a Steam account, I'm sure Epic would love to hear it. Lol.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 13, 2020 13:46:25 GMT
I doubt GOG users would like it if Valve started exclusivity wars too lol, still nothing stops Valve from throwing money if they wanted to, they clearly don't care because they got the biggest library of games and users and the best PC platform too. Though I wouldn't mind CDPR throwing money for exclusivity considering GOG is DRM free, their launcher is optional. I personally don't care, I ain't downloading launcher No.9568743 and creating account No.8375642, if it's not available for purchase on my pre-existing launchers, it might as well not exist, plenty of other games to play, including plenty that I own and didn't get the time to finish lol. Well, that's sort of what I am getting at. I think the thing that angers the people who are angry isn't that it's exclusive to a platform, but that it's exclusive to a platform they don't already have, and they would literally prefer Valve to have a total monopoly over digital game sales than go through the minor inconvenience (and it is VERY minor) of creating a free account on another platform. If people have some OTHER idea for how other digital storefronts can meaningfully compete with Steam despite it having everything already and everyone already having a Steam account, I'm sure Epic would love to hear it. Lol. Yeah it is mino rreally if there's a game I want I don't reall ycar which platform I byuit on reall ywhether it' sSteam U play Origin or whatever. I tdoesn't mak ean ydiffernc et om eas I've got games on Uplay Epic Steam and Origin tbh. Though the majority I own are on either Steam or Origin as al my Fifa games and Bioware games are all on Origin. I als ohave a coupl eof Battlefields and NFS games on there as well. Steam I have a;ll m yF1 games things lik eTo,mb Raide rthings like that and pretty much anything that isn't Fifa or Bioware. With Epic I only really have a couple of games on there Control Detroi tBecome Human and Beyond 2 souls those are the only 3 games I own on tha tplatform atm. I do have games on Uplas yas well thou ghagain not many but mainly AC Oddysey one of the Far Cr ygames and Ghost Wildlands I think it's called whixch is one of the Tom Clancy games. I don' tten dto us ethe Epic o rUpla ystores muc hthough only fo rthose games that I'm intreested in but can' t get elsewhere at the time.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Aug 13, 2020 15:18:31 GMT
If people have some OTHER idea for how other digital storefronts can meaningfully compete with Steam despite it having everything already and everyone already having a Steam account, I'm sure Epic would love to hear it. Lol. How about just offering games at a lower price and letting the user decide rather than buying off the competition like a repulsive rich kid? Also, how about making your store not suck to begin with, not be unsafe or spyware? That sure would help... GOG may not be doing so well right now but they're not being a pig like the Epic Store at least. Which is why I buy games that are on Steam and GOG from GOG now. As a consumer I want more choices, not fewer. I find these buyout tactics very distasteful.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Aug 13, 2020 16:28:39 GMT
Signing up for another junk DRM client is not minor. It's frequently a pain in the ass because these clients sometimes don't work for a multitude of reasons. The most hassle free clients are Galaxy and Steam. Period. And they also have the best selections. Epic is not consumer friendly. Exclusive deals are not consumer friendly and the market pushing the DRM client model is bullshit. It's partitioning off games in the same way all the streaming sites for TV shows do now. It's not good in the long run and last I checked, Valve doesn't have exclusivity deals. They rose to prominence by treating customers well, offering a huge selection, and minimizing the drawbacks of DRM. I'll take them any day of the week over Epic.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 13, 2020 22:13:12 GMT
If people have some OTHER idea for how other digital storefronts can meaningfully compete with Steam despite it having everything already and everyone already having a Steam account, I'm sure Epic would love to hear it. Lol. How about just offering games at a lower price and letting the user decide rather than buying off the competition like a repulsive rich kid? Also, how about making your store not suck to begin with, not be unsafe or spyware? That sure would help... GOG may not be doing so well right now but they're not being a pig like the Epic Store at least. Which is why I buy games that are on Steam and GOG from GOG now. As a consumer I want more choices, not fewer. I find these buyout tactics very distasteful. Steam already frequently undercuts the market with massive sales that nobody else can possibly match. Developers that go with Epic obviously don't consider them to be a greedy pig. They're all very open about the fact that the reason they go to Epic is because it offers a bigger cut of the sales in exchange for exclusivity: something that Steam and GOG could do if they wanted to lure developers back from Epic.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 13, 2020 22:23:00 GMT
Signing up for another junk DRM client is not minor. It's frequently a pain in the ass because these clients sometimes don't work for a multitude of reasons. The most hassle free clients are Galaxy and Steam. Period. And they also have the best selections. Epic is not consumer friendly. Exclusive deals are not consumer friendly and the market pushing the DRM client model is bullshit. It's partitioning off games in the same way all the streaming sites for TV shows do now. It's not good in the long run and last I checked, Valve doesn't have exclusivity deals. They rose to prominence by treating customers well, offering a huge selection, and minimizing the drawbacks of DRM. I'll take them any day of the week over Epic. You know what else isn't consumer friendly and is not good in the long run? A monopoly. And oh lord, is it ever ironic now to hear about Valve "treating customers well" when it refused to offer refunds for years, even in the face of international law that compels them to do so in order to do business in those countries. See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Valve is some sort of fucking hero all of a sudden, but back when it had no meaningful competitiors, it got away with all kinds of bullshit and everyone hated it despite using it all the time.
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Post by azarhal on Aug 13, 2020 23:08:10 GMT
How about just offering games at a lower price and letting the user decide rather than buying off the competition like a repulsive rich kid? Also, how about making your store not suck to begin with, not be unsafe or spyware? That sure would help... GOG may not be doing so well right now but they're not being a pig like the Epic Store at least. Which is why I buy games that are on Steam and GOG from GOG now. As a consumer I want more choices, not fewer. I find these buyout tactics very distasteful. Steam already frequently undercuts the market with massive sales that nobody else can possibly match. Steam doesn't decide what are the sale price of games, the publishers of the games do.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 13, 2020 23:12:47 GMT
Steam already frequently undercuts the market with massive sales that nobody else can possibly match. Steam doesn't decide what are the sale price of games, the publishers of the games do. Okay, you've rebutted one point. Well done?
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Post by Kappa Neko on Aug 14, 2020 9:20:33 GMT
Developers that go with Epic obviously don't consider them to be a greedy pig. They're all very open about the fact that the reason they go to Epic is because it offers a bigger cut of the sales in exchange for exclusivity: something that Steam and GOG could do if they wanted to lure developers back from Epic. GOG doesn't have that kind of cash to throw around. GOG is struggling badly which you could argue proves that you can't exist alongside Steam unless you play dirty. However, Epic could sell games cheaper while offering publishers/devs a bigger cut to balance things out and leave them with more money, if they're so very pro dev. Would also make them consumer friendly. The consumer could then decide for themselves where to buy. Steam for convenience or Epic for lower prices and supporting devs. In my experience most consumers go for cheapest deal a lot. Of course most sales might still be on Steam and Epic wants to DESTROY Steam. So coexistence is not their goal. China is buying up the entire world right now because they have so much money. You don't have to play nice when you're rich. They can just buy shares in every damn company they please. Which means their influence on what goes on the market and how is growing. Which means censorship on stuff way more than what we've been used to in the west. I don't like this development. I'm not going to support a future I don't like through the Epic store. Just to save a few bucks on a stupid game. Or so I can play a stupid game at all. I'm not letting corporate greed make a fool of me. What's happening with streaming is bad enough already. I don't like gaming turning into the exact same scam. Needing five different subscriptions to watch shows. I had Sky for a while but their service is so shit, the software a piece of garbage that won't even remember your language settings and they're so transparent in their baiting and then just screwing you over by removing content all the time without warning, that I decided to never give them my money again. So I'm not getting to watch S3 of Westworld. I might buy the blu-rays cheap eventually. I have options. But I'm not supporting shit services. In the end it's always about money. But not all companies are equally scummy. I don't blame indie devs for taking Epic money but I'm still not going to support that store. So tough luck for these devs.
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Post by ihasfingers on Aug 14, 2020 13:21:02 GMT
PS: By the way, Epic is breaking ToS by trying to bypass the App Store so that lawsuit probably won't go well. Not sure about Play Store's ToS but they're probably similar.
The whole point of the lawsuits is to have a judge (or judges, since this will definitely be appealed either way) declare Apple's and Google's ToS monopolistic and illegal and force them to change them. It's illegal for a company to use its advantage in one area (in this case cellphones and other devices) in order to unfairly disadvantage the competition in another (in this case digital sales).
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Post by OdanUrr on Aug 14, 2020 17:12:09 GMT
PS: By the way, Epic is breaking ToS by trying to bypass the App Store so that lawsuit probably won't go well. Not sure about Play Store's ToS but they're probably similar.
The whole point of the lawsuits is to have a judge (or judges, since this will definitely be appealed either way) declare Apple's and Google's ToS monopolistic and illegal and force them to change them. It's illegal for a company to use its advantage in one area (in this case cellphones and other devices) in order to unfairly disadvantage the competition in another (in this case digital sales). I'm not a lawyer but I thought a monopoly was defined as one party controlling a certain commodity. The simple fact that Epic was available on the Apple and Google app stores, not to mention it is still available on the Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo stores, would seem to undermine the 'monopoly' argument.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 14, 2020 17:30:15 GMT
The whole point of the lawsuits is to have a judge (or judges, since this will definitely be appealed either way) declare Apple's and Google's ToS monopolistic and illegal and force them to change them. It's illegal for a company to use its advantage in one area (in this case cellphones and other devices) in order to unfairly disadvantage the competition in another (in this case digital sales). I'm not a lawyer but I thought a monopoly was defined as one party controlling a certain commodity. The simple fact that Epic was available on the Apple and Google app stores, not to mention it is still available on the Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo stores, would seem to undermine the 'monopoly' argument. In this case wouldn't the "certain commodity" be the ability to make in app purchases on an iOS device? Since unless you make it so you sell your in app purchase through the iOS store you will be kicked off the platform.
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This is great, though I'm still very sad about passing of one of the Remedys original people whom I did know personally. Thanks for all the great things, Sami.
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Post by OdanUrr on Aug 14, 2020 18:10:26 GMT
I'm not a lawyer but I thought a monopoly was defined as one party controlling a certain commodity. The simple fact that Epic was available on the Apple and Google app stores, not to mention it is still available on the Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo stores, would seem to undermine the 'monopoly' argument. In this case wouldn't the "certain commodity" be the ability to make in app purchases on an iOS device? Since unless you make it so you sell your in app purchase through the iOS store you will be kicked off the platform. Neither Apple nor Google prevented Epic from having in-game purchases for Fortnite, they just had to give them a 30% cut, what is apparently standard across other digital storefronts (Epic should know given their feud with Steam).
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 14, 2020 18:19:16 GMT
In this case wouldn't the "certain commodity" be the ability to make in app purchases on an iOS device? Since unless you make it so you sell your in app purchase through the iOS store you will be kicked off the platform. Neither Apple nor Google prevented Epic from having in-game purchases for Fortnite, they just had to give them a 30% cut, what is apparently standard across other digital storefronts (Epic should know given their feud with Steam). Which then Epic took it upon themselves to create a new storefront that worked on the same hardware as Steam and became the competition. There is no competition on iOS devices where you can go to if you don't want to give Apple that 30% cut.
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