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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Apr 20, 2021 15:28:26 GMT
He doesn't understand the business side of things, unfortunately.
He's blaming the customers for not getting a sequel, which is definitely a dead end. Customers decide what they're willing to pay in a free market. It's the publisher that decides the price to retailers, and that's who he should blame. Or, as far as what customers are willing to pay - that falls on the development team, really.
It's not a good look to blame your customers for your success or failure in retail entertainment.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 20, 2021 16:33:59 GMT
He doesn't understand the business side of things, unfortunately. He's blaming the customers for not getting a sequel, which is definitely a dead end. Customers decide what they're willing to pay in a free market. It's the publisher that decides the price to retailers, and that's who he should blame. Or, as far as what customers are willing to pay - that falls on the development team, really. It's not a good look to blame your customers for your success or failure in retail entertainment. I agree, customers are more willing to buy a game at launch that they think is worth the money. We have seen that time and time again with different games across the spectrum. If its perceived that your product is defective in some way people are going to be hesitant to buy it. Going by what I have read Days Gone didn't have the smoothest launch and took time to become the game it is today. Blaming your customers for not buying it soon enough is a bigger indictment of your development team instead of paying customers.
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Post by cribbian on Apr 20, 2021 18:28:32 GMT
Ruh-roh, Raggy. Rooks rike ReA are in riiiiig rroubre I can't do Scooby talk. But EA fucked up, if this is true. Also, some follow up EA can relax. The Super League is already falling apart
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Post by river82 on Apr 20, 2021 22:18:07 GMT
EA can relax. The Super League is already falling apart All 6 British teams looks like jumping away from the Super League so it's pretty much dead now
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Post by eternalambiguity on Apr 20, 2021 23:26:04 GMT
He doesn't understand the business side of things, unfortunately. He's blaming the customers for not getting a sequel, which is definitely a dead end. Customers decide what they're willing to pay in a free market. It's the publisher that decides the price to retailers, and that's who he should blame. Or, as far as what customers are willing to pay - that falls on the development team, really. It's not a good look to blame your customers for your success or failure in retail entertainment. He's not blaming the customers for that, he's blaming the customers for not being interested in something and then, when the consequences of their actions come to light, all of a sudden complaining.
If you don't like something enough to pay full price for it, don't be mad when the publisher responds to that and doesn't give it a sequel.
That's what he's saying.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Apr 20, 2021 23:30:48 GMT
He doesn't understand the business side of things, unfortunately. He's blaming the customers for not getting a sequel, which is definitely a dead end. Customers decide what they're willing to pay in a free market. It's the publisher that decides the price to retailers, and that's who he should blame. Or, as far as what customers are willing to pay - that falls on the development team, really. It's not a good look to blame your customers for your success or failure in retail entertainment. He's not blaming the customers for that, he's blaming the customers for not being interested in something and then, when the consequences of their actions come to light, all of a sudden complaining. If you don't like something enough to pay full price for it, don't be mad when the publisher responds to that and doesn't give it a sequel.
That's what he's saying.
I was reacting to the posted quote: “I do have an opinion on something that your audience may find of interest, and it might piss some of them off,” said Garvin. “If you love a game, buy it at f-cking full price. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen gamers say ‘yeah, I got that on sale, I got it through PS Plus, whatever.” It sounds to me like he was upset that so many people buy games on sale.
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Post by river82 on Apr 20, 2021 23:35:07 GMT
If you don't like something enough to pay full price for it, don't be mad when the publisher responds to that and doesn't give it a sequel. Yep. He's not blaming customers he's essentially saying actions have consequences. And that always going for the cheapest option available affects things. I talk with a LOT of gamers and I tend to enjoy my time in the community. BUT I often hear gamers going for the cheapest deal. Either they're whales or they're kinda cheap. Now there's extenuating circumstances like you live in Syria and the dollar is worth almost nothing. That's a problem. You're in college and you're living on baked beans. That's a problem. But when a developer has to go onto twitter (separate developer) and tell fans they'd rather fans pirate the game then buy off one of those dodgy 3rd party sites that sells games for 10 bucks and forces developers to spend tons of time dealing with banks and chargeback problems, that's also a really big problem. And I know whales, WHALES, who buy off these damn sites. They spend over a grand in the game's cash shop and save 50 bucks by going to G2A who deal in stolen credit cards.
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Post by river82 on Apr 20, 2021 23:46:14 GMT
He was also responding to an online petition of 30,000 people asking for a sequel to the game. But I think everyone knows online petitions don't really work xD
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 21, 2021 0:13:22 GMT
Jeff Kaplan left Blizzard. Bad news for Overwatch fans and doubts for Ovarwatch 2's future. Never really liked the game, nor its art style, so can't relate. If anything, I hope this kills a franchise I didn't like and Blizzard goes back to making something I can enjoy, for the first time in the past 10 or 20 years now.
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Post by river82 on Apr 21, 2021 0:19:20 GMT
Jeff Kaplan left Blizzard. Bad news for Overwatch fans and doubts for Ovarwatch 2's future. Never really liked the game, nor its art style, so can't relate. If anything, I hope this kills a franchise I didn't like and Blizzard goes back to making something I can enjoy, for the first time in the past 10 or 20 years now. Jeff Kaplan is one of the really beloved devs at Blizz for people who aren't familiar. He was one of the original Everquest raiders Blizz recruited to work on early world of warcraft before switching over to OW. Really sad to see him go, sad day for Blizz fans
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Post by eternalambiguity on Apr 21, 2021 0:25:59 GMT
He's not blaming the customers for that, he's blaming the customers for not being interested in something and then, when the consequences of their actions come to light, all of a sudden complaining. If you don't like something enough to pay full price for it, don't be mad when the publisher responds to that and doesn't give it a sequel.
That's what he's saying.
I was reacting to the posted quote: “I do have an opinion on something that your audience may find of interest, and it might piss some of them off,” said Garvin. “If you love a game, buy it at f-cking full price. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen gamers say ‘yeah, I got that on sale, I got it through PS Plus, whatever.” It sounds to me like he was upset that so many people buy games on sale. Okay, nvm then. The full quote was about Days Gone and the sudden online outrage over Sony cancelling a sequel.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 21, 2021 0:42:44 GMT
I just dislike how obsessive its fanbase is with its constant waifu talk, to the point it makes Talimancers sound like well adjusted individuals. It's a generally inoffensive game, but it's not the game I want from Blizzard and even the games I do want from Blizzard are ... oof. Not looking good.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 21, 2021 3:02:39 GMT
If you don't like something enough to pay full price for it, don't be mad when the publisher responds to that and doesn't give it a sequel. Yep. He's not blaming customers he's essentially saying actions have consequences. And that always going for the cheapest option available affects things. I talk with a LOT of gamers and I tend to enjoy my time in the community. BUT I often hear gamers going for the cheapest deal. Either they're whales or they're kinda cheap. Now there's extenuating circumstances like you live in Syria and the dollar is worth almost nothing. That's a problem. You're in college and you're living on baked beans. That's a problem. But when a developer has to go onto twitter (separate developer) and tell fans they'd rather fans pirate the game then buy off one of those dodgy 3rd party sites that sells games for 10 bucks and forces developers to spend tons of time dealing with banks and chargeback problems, that's also a really big problem. And I know whales, WHALES, who buy off these damn sites. They spend over a grand in the game's cash shop and save 50 bucks by going to G2A who deal in stolen credit cards. While I do agree that can have a factor there were a couple of things that also frustrated me for he made that assumption while also claiming multiple times that he had no idea how the game did. Going by that claim he seems to be just reaching that the only reason why the game didn't get a sequel is because of sales, but that might not be completely true. Also as I mentioned above it did have problems at launch so people do wait if a game is reported to have problems at launch for they want a game they can play and not wait to get its act together especially a new IP. So he might have a point, but at the same time it still feels like a person ranting because something they wanted didn't happen and are looking to point fingers even if its not at people, but not enough full price sales. While not looking at other factors to why there weren't enough day one sales.
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Post by river82 on Apr 21, 2021 5:48:06 GMT
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Post by river82 on Apr 25, 2021 22:30:45 GMT
Bungie has announced that you can only transmog ten armor pieces (not sets, pieces) per class with earned currency per season. Next season when the system arrives via Ada-1 will be the exception, where instead you will get 20 pieces per class.
A few people were quick to say “isn’t that a lot?” No, it is not a lot. There are over 1,500 individual pieces of legendary armor in Destiny 2. Doing the math here yields some wild results.
If you are limited to 10 items per class per three month season, it will take you about to 12.5 years to grind out all current armor sets for transmog (not counting any new ones that may add in a decade).
If you instead you decide to “whale out,” at $10 for every 5 pieces it will cost you around $3,000 to transmog all that armor. Less if you buy Silver bundles in bulk, I suppose.www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2021/04/23/destiny-2-debuts-the-worst-of-all-possible-transmog-systems/?sh=4c17c66f6a0b*Slow claps*
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Post by smilesja on Apr 25, 2021 22:57:06 GMT
And people say EA and Activision are bad. I still play Destiny 2 from time to time but this will just turn more people away from the game. On a side note It also makes me a bit fearful for Overwatch 2 since Jeff Kaplan resisted some of the monetization ideas from Activision like buying heroes.
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Post by river82 on Apr 26, 2021 3:03:24 GMT
And people say EA and Activision are bad. I still play Destiny 2 from time to time but this will just turn more people away from the game. On a side note It also makes me a bit fearful for Overwatch 2 since Jeff Kaplan resisted some of the monetization ideas from Activision like buying heroes. Jeff Kaplan was such an amazing guy, he'll be so missed by fans Bungie is utterly horrible. Charging people for transmog?!?!?! I have NEVER seen that in any game, ever. Does anybody know if this is a thing anywhere or is Bungie plumbing new depths of depravity?
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Post by smilesja on Apr 26, 2021 3:48:19 GMT
And people say EA and Activision are bad. I still play Destiny 2 from time to time but this will just turn more people away from the game. On a side note It also makes me a bit fearful for Overwatch 2 since Jeff Kaplan resisted some of the monetization ideas from Activision like buying heroes. Jeff Kaplan was such an amazing guy, he'll be so missed by fans Bungie is utterly horrible. Charging people for transmog?!?!?! I have NEVER seen that in any game, ever. Does anybody know if this is a thing anywhere or is Bungie plumbing new depths of depravity? I've heard NBA 2K utilize gambling to get the best cards for MyTeam but never to this extent that Bungie is doing.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Apr 26, 2021 18:00:13 GMT
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 26, 2021 19:00:01 GMT
Whether you believe this is gambling or not, on a personal level, this is damning. This is scummy and predatory.
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Post by river82 on Apr 26, 2021 22:01:15 GMT
Whether you believe this is gambling or not, on a personal level, this is damning. This is scummy and predatory. Be careful Sirpetrakus. If you make any assumptions around their fourth point, which is that "all roads lead to FUT" and their statement saying they want to drive all consumers to their card pack mode and lootboxes, you'll be accused of "viewing things without context" and having "misinformed opinions of the matter" lol An EA spokesperson declined an interview request from CBC and wouldn’t comment on the document as it was “marked privileged and confidential”. They did comment that the document was being “viewed without context” and that interpretations of what it says “are misinformed.” When asked to clarify, he did not respond.
www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/ea-allegedly-steering-players-into-loot-box-option-in-fifa-21-2928232
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 26, 2021 23:50:21 GMT
Whether you believe this is gambling or not, on a personal level, this is damning. This is scummy and predatory. Be careful Sirpetrakus. If you make any assumptions around their fourth point, which is that "all roads lead to FUT" and their statement saying they want to drive all consumers to their card pack mode and lootboxes, you'll be accused of "viewing things without context" and having "misinformed opinions of the matter" lol An EA spokesperson declined an interview request from CBC and wouldn’t comment on the document as it was “marked privileged and confidential”. They did comment that the document was being “viewed without context” and that interpretations of what it says “are misinformed.” When asked to clarify, he did not respond.
www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/ea-allegedly-steering-players-into-loot-box-option-in-fifa-21-2928232
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Apr 27, 2021 12:41:57 GMT
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 27, 2021 15:02:59 GMT
As much as people will say that EA has gambling this is the biggest hurdle for it to be considered by law to be gambling and why I think most lawsuits are going to fail until laws are changed. Then if they are changed the mechanics will change enough that they will fall back into the same position they are in now after three to four years of hearings and debate. As damning as that segment is, in the reality it doesn't mean anything. Just like the prior segments where they probably talked about how parents were getting thousands of dollars of charges from apps on their cellphones. EA is doing the minimum to stay inside the law just enough to maximize profits and I doubt that is going to change for any of the major developers/publishers.
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