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Post by Phantom on Mar 12, 2019 20:37:44 GMT
That's right. My Shepard enjoyed hearing Harbinger talk smack in ME2. Too bad Harbinger wasn't able to continue with that in ME3. Anyways. Once on the reaper, my Shepard could talk smack to Harbinger while finding a way to the core to destroy Harbinger. Well that is a good idea for a boss battle.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 12, 2019 21:54:29 GMT
There's slow and rapid indoctrination. Why do you want a boss fight with Harbinger anyways? I don’t particularly care one way or the other. But, I don’t think is particularly improbably. I’d find it infinitely more feasible than a green ray that transforms all life into a synthetic being, or red ray that blows up all ai in the galaxy.
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Post by wright1978 on Mar 12, 2019 21:57:43 GMT
Alas poor harbinger I knew thee well. Then along came the comical star brat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 22:18:43 GMT
Killing Harbinger doesn't end the Reaper threat though.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 12, 2019 22:31:11 GMT
Harbinger is significant in its own way. It was the first Reaper. It was created from the gooey remains of the Leviathan. I could survive the biofeedback from its pawns being destroyed - unlike Sovereign/Saren. It could well be more powerful than the other Reapers and more directly linked to the Catalyst. Imagine the Sovereign/Saren thing working with Catalyst/Harbinger. It could happen.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 12, 2019 23:24:51 GMT
Harbinger is significant in its own way. It was the first Reaper. It was created from the gooey remains of the Leviathan. I could survive the biofeedback from its pawns being destroyed - unlike Sovereign/Saren. It could well be more powerful than the other Reapers and more directly linked to the Catalyst. Imagine the Sovereign/Saren thing working with Catalyst/Harbinger. It could happen. I really think that harbinger was at one point supposed to be the "top" reaper. It would have been better I think if we found out that somehow harbinger was connected to the other reapers and destroying him would take the rest of the reapers off line temporarily like killing saren did for soverign in ME1. Somehow shepard could get on harbinger and destroy it from the inside with a bomb they carry on. While the fleets are coming in to fight the reapers just as he gets on. If you pulled together enough ships this could level the playing field enough to give the galaxy a chance to face the rest of the reapers since a big chunk of their fleet was just destroyed. Or it forces the reapers to retreat back into deep space to figure something else out. Wow this would have been awesome!
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Post by themikefest on Mar 13, 2019 12:29:08 GMT
That's right. My Shepard enjoyed hearing Harbinger talk smack in ME2. Too bad Harbinger wasn't able to continue with that in ME3. Anyways. Once on the reaper, my Shepard could talk smack to Harbinger while finding a way to the core to destroy Harbinger. Well that is a good idea for a boss battle. It can be.
I would have all squadmates, ME1 and ME2, along with Anderson, Victus, and Wrex/Weav. As far as getting inside Harbinger. Not sure. I would say that with the reaper being as large as it is, it might have enough room for a shuttle or two to land that might be near an entry. If not, would using a cutting torch be enough to make a hole in its chassis to enter the reaper? Once inside, it would be similar to the archives in Citadel dlc. Have 3 or 4 teams. To find the core, the edibot will have the layout from the derelict reaper to guide the teams. Shepard will face an endless wave of uglies as will the other teams. They reach the core. Harbinger goes boom. The higher the ems, the better chance all survive. And of course the more squadmates recruited and alive, the better chance all can survive.
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Post by kpeter on Mar 13, 2019 15:26:21 GMT
I haven't red trough the 5 pages, so sorry if somebody said anything earlier. For sure the milky way can be interesting especially the destroy ending.
There are inactive and missing relays. What about them ? Possible new races, possible new friends, new enemies? Or big fing nothing?
With the reapers defeated, there are the Leviathan left still. Will they try to dominate all lesser species and use them as their minions like they did before the reapers wiped them out? Considering how almost the council races are nearly wiped out and depleted in the war against the reapers, they are in quite a vulnerable position.
With the genophage cured, and the rachni queen alive what happens with them? Will the krogan and the rachni stay in line after they outgrew all citadel races? Remember the relays are destroyed, all council and non council races' fleet gathered around earth and the citadel. With mass relays gone, some have no chance to reach their homeworld, or would take extra long time. Will nobody revolt in their home planets and take charge? Looking at the krogan mainly, but it is true for every race. The rachni also acquired a planet where they can grow, the krogan have Tuchanka with the genophage cured.
What happens with the geth and the quarian? Are quarians recreating the Geth?
What happens with Cerberus? We may have destroyed their HQ, but the Collector base is still there for them probably. They acquired shitload of reaper tech and knowledge. Plus as Illusive Man said, Cerberus is not an HQ, not a person, but an idea that cannot be destroyed.
There are lots of dead reapers lying around to study. Will that result in an arms race and a competition how fast reaper tech can be studied and applied?
There was Ilos with hybernated protheans, we found Javik. Are there possible any protheans left anywhere else, and will they be friendly after awakening?
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 13, 2019 16:25:58 GMT
I haven't red trough the 5 pages, so sorry if somebody said anything earlier. For sure the milky way can be interesting especially the destroy ending. What?? How dare you!! Anyway, lots of that was brought up, some by me. I'd love to see a Leviathan threat. It's looming so they may as well follow up on it. As for the races hidden by inactive relays, you're changing everything. May as well go to Andromeda again since it's the same effect. Good questions all around.
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Did you really expect an answer all those questions? A lot of that is left unsaid and left up to the player to interpret on their own.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 13, 2019 20:54:14 GMT
I haven't red trough the 5 pages, so sorry if somebody said anything earlier. For sure the milky way can be interesting especially the destroy ending. There are inactive and missing relays. What about them ? Possible new races, possible new friends, new enemies? Or big fing nothing? With the reapers defeated, there are the Leviathan left still. Will they try to dominate all lesser species and use them as their minions like they did before the reapers wiped them out? Considering how almost the council races are nearly wiped out and depleted in the war against the reapers, they are in quite a vulnerable position. With the genophage cured, and the rachni queen alive what happens with them? Will the krogan and the rachni stay in line after they outgrew all citadel races? Remember the relays are destroyed, all council and non council races' fleet gathered around earth and the citadel. With mass relays gone, some have no chance to reach their homeworld, or would take extra long time. Will nobody revolt in their home planets and take charge? Looking at the krogan mainly, but it is true for every race. The rachni also acquired a planet where they can grow, the krogan have Tuchanka with the genophage cured. What happens with the geth and the quarian? Are quarians recreating the Geth? What happens with Cerberus? We may have destroyed their HQ, but the Collector base is still there for them probably. They acquired shitload of reaper tech and knowledge. Plus as Illusive Man said, Cerberus is not an HQ, not a person, but an idea that cannot be destroyed. There are lots of dead reapers lying around to study. Will that result in an arms race and a competition how fast reaper tech can be studied and applied? There was Ilos with hybernated protheans, we found Javik. Are there possible any protheans left anywhere else, and will they be friendly after awakening? I have wondered about the protheans as well. That said if the quarians bring back the geth they are beyond stupid. Although in my opinion the geth might still be around in destroy ending since the star child cannot be trusted.
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The Starchild said that Shepard would die because he is partly synthetic. Yet, if your EMS is high enough, you wake up. Liar.
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Post by Phantom on Mar 13, 2019 21:42:09 GMT
The Starchild said that Shepard would die because he is partly synthetic. Yet, if your EMS is high enough, you wake up. Liar. Well that why me and others don't trust the Starchild....
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 13, 2019 21:49:21 GMT
The Starchild said that Shepard would die because he is partly synthetic. Yet, if your EMS is high enough, you wake up. Liar. Well that why me and others don't trust the Starchild.... To be fair the reason the reapers do this whole cycle of genocide is actually a flaw in the programming more or less. So star child doesn't even have to lie he could just be wrong. But I think he is lying or just insane.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 13, 2019 21:52:26 GMT
The Starchild said that Shepard would die because he is partly synthetic. Yet, if your EMS is high enough, you wake up. Liar. That's one of my issues with the starchild and ending in general. Not so much that you survive as he just said death was possible from it. But he had a sort of weird description of what Red meant, what it would destroy, what synthetic meant. Like I personally wouldn't define shepherds cybernetics as making him partly synthetic as it seems to be mostly defined in the setting. He doesn't even have VI level intelligence integrated into him as far as I can tell, that's just dumb tech not synthetics IMO. Basically Cyborg does not= synthetics IMO in mass effect, synthetics seemed to be a description of artificial intelligence. It's like the writers forgot what they previously wrote about and merged synthetics into some over arching concept of anything tech.
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The Starchild said that Shepard would die because he is partly synthetic. Yet, if your EMS is high enough, you wake up. Liar. Well that why me and others don't trust the Starchild.... I think they set up that scene so that you could trust him, only to fall into his trap. There's a little smirk he gives off if you pick control.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 14, 2019 5:33:31 GMT
The Starchild said that Shepard would die because he is partly synthetic. Yet, if your EMS is high enough, you wake up. Liar. Wait, so you're saying the Starchild can't be trusted? Call me shocked.
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Post by kalreegar on Mar 14, 2019 9:58:42 GMT
The Starchild said that Shepard would die because he is partly synthetic. Yet, if your EMS is high enough, you wake up. Liar. to be fair, it does'nt say that. It said: You must act. It is now in your power to destroy us. But be warned, others will be destroyed as well. The crucible will not discriminate. All synthetics will be targeted. Even you are partly synthetic.
It means that you too will be targeted, being partly synthetic. Being targeted (or partially targeted) doesn't necessary mean that you will be killed. They higher the EMS, the better the crucible work, causing lesser (almost none) collateral damages to living beings and things. So, the catalyst is simply implying that if you pick destroy you will most likely die. And that's true, except if you have max EMS.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 17:33:10 GMT
The Starchild said that Shepard would die because he is partly synthetic. Yet, if your EMS is high enough, you wake up. Liar. Wait, so you're saying the Starchild can't be trusted? Call me shocked. Would you trust something that takes the form of the boy killed on Earth? That claims he controls the Reapers.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 14, 2019 17:45:05 GMT
Yet people trust him enough when he says damaging the weapon you built to kill him will be what achieves that.
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Post by kalreegar on Mar 14, 2019 18:03:10 GMT
Wait, so you're saying the Starchild can't be trusted? Call me shocked. Would you trust something that takes the form of the boy killed on Earth? That claims he controls the Reapers. you can role-play your shepard in distrusting the catalyst on every level. About the chaos psico-historic theory, about the outcomes of synthesis and control, about the red wave effects, even about destroy itself (if I shot the red tube, will I really activate the crucible? Or will I damage it disable it instead?) If your distrust is total and complete, you should choose refusal ending. Perfectly legitimate and understandable. I always choose destroy because, even if I don't completely distrust him, I don't want to take excessive risks ( besides the fact that I hate reapers at a visceral level and I don't really care about the galaxy's future, I just want to kill them all) But being unreliable does not make him a liar. The 4 post EC endings show, beyond any doubt, that he was sincere.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 14, 2019 19:47:43 GMT
Wait, so you're saying the Starchild can't be trusted? Call me shocked. Would you trust something that takes the form of the boy killed on Earth? That claims he controls the Reapers. No. I don't trust it at all. The thing I trust most is that when I shoot something it blows up. (The tubes for Destroy.) Seems like the best option.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 14, 2019 19:53:26 GMT
Yet people trust him enough when he says damaging the weapon you built to kill him will be what achieves that. Yet people trust it enough to jump in a beam that will change everyone's dna or pull two handles to control the reapers
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 14, 2019 20:01:11 GMT
Yet people trust him enough when he says damaging the weapon you built to kill him will be what achieves that. Trust is an interesting concept. Do I believe the beams will do as it says? Sure. But what after the aftermath? We hear the negative side effects of Destroy - Reapers are destroyed, Catalyst is destroyed, you might die and, the kicker, synthetics will eventually rise up again. Clear discussion about what will happen and why it's a bad choice. It pretty much says "the cycle will continue" if you choose Destroy. Why should I believe it's suddenly become a fortune teller?
Let's look at what it says about Control. Shepard's consciousness would overwrite the Catalyst and he/she would have complete control of the Reapers. Not too bad, right? Any downside to it? *shrug* Who knows? The Catalyst certainly isn't saying.
The Synthesis, the choice that the Catalyst REALLY wants you to make. It's the only one where the Catalyst continues to exist. It makes some really outrageous claims about how it can alter reality itself. The real kicker? The Catalyst says there's such a thing as "the final end of evolution". Anyone who knows the basic Theory of Evolution knows that there is no end other than death. Or maybe it does know exactly what it's saying. If it does know how evolution works, or even if Shepard was in a thinking kind of mode, he/she would steer clear of that choice. Again, we hear of no downside to this option.
I know we're not coming into agreement on this one, but there's only one option that the Catalyst doesn't want us to take and offers all of the reasons why it's a bad idea. As for the rest? Fine and dandy. Suspicious, at best. As was also stated, this thing was preying on Shepard's feeling of regret when leaving Earth and the nightmares he/she was having. It knew what it was doing, attempting to manipulate Shepard. I don't trust it. You can, and we can certainly headcanon exactly why any particular ending makes sense and the follow up. I read a great fanfic that is set after Synthesis. I think Shepard somehow returned but I'm hazy on the details since it's been a long time since I read it. So, yes, a headcanon about the aftermath for Synthesis is fine. In my mind that thing is a monster and so I do what needs to be done with any monster: slay it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 14, 2019 20:02:53 GMT
Yet people trust him enough when he says damaging the weapon you built to kill him will be what achieves that. Yet people trust it enough to jump in a beam that will change everyone's dna or pull two handles to control the reapers Hey, I’m not one of those who trusts him on some things and don’t trust him on others.
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