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Post by anarchy65 on Jan 16, 2019 14:49:08 GMT
I'm having quite some trouble quoting your answer, so I'll just answer here: Shepard could be renegade from the very first game, so it was up to you if he would be paragon, renegade or a mix of both. You don't have this choice with Ryder, the """"choices"""" you have are "4 kinds of a nice guy/girl". It wouldn't make sense for him/her to suddenly turn renegade when he/she just couldn't do it on the first game.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 16, 2019 14:58:26 GMT
I'm having quite some trouble quoting your answer, so I'll just answer here: Shepard could be renegade from the very first game, so it was up to you if he would be paragon, renegade or a mix of both. You don't have this choice with Ryder, the """"choices"""" you have are "4 kinds of a nice guy/girl". It wouldn't make sense for him/her to suddenly turn renegade when he/she just couldn't do it on the first game. Didn't take the time to make sure I didn't get hit with the div bug. I fixed my post. For me I don't see it as much of a difference then having Shepard being paragon 99% of the time and then that one time they just decide to kick the guy out of the window as their only Renegade choice. Ryder might not have had those choices in the first game, but even during the final sequence of Andromeda they could have become a harder individual and now take a harder approach and more aggressive choices.
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Post by anarchy65 on Jan 16, 2019 15:07:30 GMT
I'm having quite some trouble quoting your answer, so I'll just answer here: Shepard could be renegade from the very first game, so it was up to you if he would be paragon, renegade or a mix of both. You don't have this choice with Ryder, the """"choices"""" you have are "4 kinds of a nice guy/girl". It wouldn't make sense for him/her to suddenly turn renegade when he/she just couldn't do it on the first game. Didn't take the time to make sure I didn't get hit with the div bug. I fixed my post. For me I don't see it as much of a difference then having Shepard being paragon 99% of the time and then that one time they just decide to kick the guy out of the window as their only Renegade choice. Ryder might not have had those choices in the first game, but even during the final sequence of Andromeda they could have become a harder individual and now take a harder approach and more aggressive choices. Even if you didn't do any renegade choices, you COULD do them, and that makes all the difference in the world. And I don't see Ryder becoming "harder" if he wasn't "hard" with all the stupid and disrespectful things his/her companions did during the game. Maybe if the game was 5 or 10 years after the first, but even so, he/she is so uninteresting and boring that it really isn't worth the effort of changing the story so they wouldn't drop this terrible and worthless character.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 16, 2019 15:52:05 GMT
Didn't take the time to make sure I didn't get hit with the div bug. I fixed my post. For me I don't see it as much of a difference then having Shepard being paragon 99% of the time and then that one time they just decide to kick the guy out of the window as their only Renegade choice. Ryder might not have had those choices in the first game, but even during the final sequence of Andromeda they could have become a harder individual and now take a harder approach and more aggressive choices. Even if you didn't do any renegade choices, you COULD do them, and that makes all the difference in the world. And I don't see Ryder becoming "harder" if he wasn't "hard" with all the stupid and disrespectful things his/her companions did during the game. Maybe if the game was 5 or 10 years after the first, but even so, he/she is so uninteresting and boring that it really isn't worth the effort of changing the story so they wouldn't drop this terrible and worthless character. I don't think it makes any difference at all them being there in the past or not. Its a new game and frankly they don't even have to change the story they just have to put them in the game. Stupid and disrespectful things don't make a person hard, experiences do and I bet having SAM ripped out of Ryder's head, brain hemorrhages, and having to experience the torture of your sibling can have a greater impact on a person then "stupid and disrespectful". Besides I rather see a character improve between games then just dumping them and experiencing the exact same terrible and worthless character in the next game.
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Post by anarchy65 on Jan 16, 2019 16:06:47 GMT
Even if you didn't do any renegade choices, you COULD do them, and that makes all the difference in the world. And I don't see Ryder becoming "harder" if he wasn't "hard" with all the stupid and disrespectful things his/her companions did during the game. Maybe if the game was 5 or 10 years after the first, but even so, he/she is so uninteresting and boring that it really isn't worth the effort of changing the story so they wouldn't drop this terrible and worthless character. I don't think it makes any difference at all them being there in the past or not. Its a new game and frankly they don't even have to change the story they just have to put them in the game. Stupid and disrespectful things don't make a person hard, experiences do and I bet having SAM ripped out of Ryder's head, brain hemorrhages, and having to experience the torture of your sibling can have a greater impact on a person then "stupid and disrespectful". Besides I rather see a character improve between games then just dumping them and experiencing the exact same terrible and worthless character in the next game. Well, I think it does, it would be a sudden change of personality, it would be completely weird and out of Ryder's character. Suddenly Ryder will start punching people because he had "hard experiences"? Come on. You don't need to be a "hard person" to disliking idiots and disrespectful people. Having "hard experiences" has nothing to do with it. I didn't have "hard experiences" and I just wanted to throw Liam out of the airlock for being a traitor idiot disrespectful scum. Again, it would be a sudden change of personality that just wouldn't fit Ryder's character. And if they succeed in create a good new main character, it won't be terrible and worthless. They just have to put actual personality on it. Ryder is already terrible and worthless (both of them), just throw it out of the airlock. It won't be missed.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 16, 2019 16:14:35 GMT
I don't think it makes any difference at all them being there in the past or not. Its a new game and frankly they don't even have to change the story they just have to put them in the game. Stupid and disrespectful things don't make a person hard, experiences do and I bet having SAM ripped out of Ryder's head, brain hemorrhages, and having to experience the torture of your sibling can have a greater impact on a person then "stupid and disrespectful". Besides I rather see a character improve between games then just dumping them and experiencing the exact same terrible and worthless character in the next game. Well, I think it does, it would be a sudden change of personality, it would be completely weird and out of Ryder's character. Suddenly Ryder will start punching people because he had "hard experiences"? Come on. You don't need to be a "hard person" to disliking idiots and disrespectful people. Having "hard experiences" has nothing to do with it. I didn't have "hard experiences" and I just wanted to throw Liam out of the airlock for being a traitor idiot disrespectful scum. Again, it would be a sudden change of personality that just wouldn't fit Ryder's character. And if they succeed in create a good new main character, it won't be terrible and worthless. They just have to put actual personality on it. Ryder is already terrible and worthless (both of them), just throw it out of the airlock. It won't be missed. I’d miss them. I know a lot of people who would miss them.
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Post by anarchy65 on Jan 16, 2019 16:19:54 GMT
Well, I think it does, it would be a sudden change of personality, it would be completely weird and out of Ryder's character. Suddenly Ryder will start punching people because he had "hard experiences"? Come on. You don't need to be a "hard person" to disliking idiots and disrespectful people. Having "hard experiences" has nothing to do with it. I didn't have "hard experiences" and I just wanted to throw Liam out of the airlock for being a traitor idiot disrespectful scum. Again, it would be a sudden change of personality that just wouldn't fit Ryder's character. And if they succeed in create a good new main character, it won't be terrible and worthless. They just have to put actual personality on it. Ryder is already terrible and worthless (both of them), just throw it out of the airlock. It won't be missed. I’d miss them. I know a lot of people who would miss them. These people's opinion don't matter. A "lot of people" could be 4, 5 people. But ultimately Bioware knows Andromeda was a failure and the weak MC was one of the reasons. A "lot of people" missed DLC for Andromeda too, but not releasing DLC was the right choice.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 16, 2019 16:27:19 GMT
I’d miss them. I know a lot of people who would miss them. These people's opinion don't matter. A "lot of people" could be 4, 5 people. But ultimately Bioware knows Andromeda was a failure and the weak MC was one of the reasons. A "lot of people" missed DLC for Andromeda too, but not releasing DLC was the right choice. Just because you feel a certain way doesn't mean that is the way the majority feels and everyone else is only four or five people, for all you know the way you feel is only four or five people. You don't have access to enough people that played the game and going by what the internet says still isn't enough people for it always seems to be the same group of people talking about the game.
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Post by anarchy65 on Jan 16, 2019 16:29:48 GMT
These people's opinion don't matter. A "lot of people" could be 4, 5 people. But ultimately Bioware knows Andromeda was a failure and the weak MC was one of the reasons. A "lot of people" missed DLC for Andromeda too, but not releasing DLC was the right choice. Just because you feel a certain way doesn't mean that is the way the majority feels and everyone else is only four or five people, for all you know the way you feel is only four or five people. You don't have access to enough people that played the game and going by what the internet says still isn't enough people for it always seems to be the same group of people talking about the game. Look, buddy, if the majority really thought like that, they wouldn't have closed the studio and completely abandoned the game. They know it was a failure and they know most people didn't like it. The only place you'll really find people who liked it is really on a Bioware-fan forum.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 16, 2019 16:41:05 GMT
Just because you feel a certain way doesn't mean that is the way the majority feels and everyone else is only four or five people, for all you know the way you feel is only four or five people. You don't have access to enough people that played the game and going by what the internet says still isn't enough people for it always seems to be the same group of people talking about the game. Look, buddy, if the majority really thought like that, they wouldn't have closed the studio and completely abandoned the game. They know it was a failure and they know most people didn't like it. The only place you'll really find people who liked it is really on a Bioware-fan forum. Just because the studio was closed doesn't mean what you assume it does. They kept Visceral open after the financial failure of Dead Space 2 and the person that makes that claim has more insight into Visceral as a studio then you do into BioWare. They didn't abandon the game, they didn't release DLC for the game which is getting confusing for I thought DLC was bad. Andrew Wilson has told investors and gives the impression the game did well which to me means more then internet logic jumping to Studio Closing + no DLC = failure. Source
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Post by anarchy65 on Jan 16, 2019 16:47:04 GMT
Look, buddy, if the majority really thought like that, they wouldn't have closed the studio and completely abandoned the game. They know it was a failure and they know most people didn't like it. The only place you'll really find people who liked it is really on a Bioware-fan forum. Just because the studio was closed doesn't mean what you assume it does. They kept Visceral open after the financial failure of Dead Space 2 and the person that makes that claim has more insight into Visceral as a studio then you do into BioWare. They didn't abandon the game, they didn't release DLC for the game which is getting confusing for I thought DLC was bad. Andrew Wilson has told investors and gives the impression the game did well which to me means more then internet logic jumping to Studio Closing + no DLC = failure. Source Right, keep in denial then. You don't need a lot of insight to put two and two together. It's not about being a "financial" failure only, it's about being a failure as a game, just like Fallout 76 or No Man's Sky (although sometimes being a failure as a game means low sales too, in the case of Fallout 76)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 16, 2019 16:52:29 GMT
I’d miss them. I know a lot of people who would miss them. These people's opinion don't matter. A "lot of people" could be 4, 5 people. But ultimately Bioware knows Andromeda was a failure and the weak MC was one of the reasons. A "lot of people" missed DLC for Andromeda too, but not releasing DLC was the right choice. And your opinion matters just as little as ours. And no, I can think of a lot more than 4 or 5 who feel the way I do. And no, it wasn’t. You may feel it was, but your opinion doesn’t matter.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 16, 2019 16:54:20 GMT
These people's opinion don't matter. A "lot of people" could be 4, 5 people. But ultimately Bioware knows Andromeda was a failure and the weak MC was one of the reasons. A "lot of people" missed DLC for Andromeda too, but not releasing DLC was the right choice. And your opinion matters just as little as ours. And no, I can think of a lot more than 4 or 5 who feel the way I do. Never said it did, but I can think of a lot more then four or five that feel the way I do.
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Post by ahglock on Jan 16, 2019 16:57:41 GMT
These people's opinion don't matter. A "lot of people" could be 4, 5 people. But ultimately Bioware knows Andromeda was a failure and the weak MC was one of the reasons. A "lot of people" missed DLC for Andromeda too, but not releasing DLC was the right choice. And your opinion matters just as little as ours. And no, I can think of a lot more than 4 or 5 who feel the way I do. And no, it wasn’t. You may feel it was, but your opinion doesn’t matter. Do you really think they'd have dropped it and given us no DLC if it sold well? I mean yeah sure anything is possible, but it is pretty damn unlikely. I like the game, but it being a failure is the most likely option given how it was treated.
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And your opinion matters just as little as ours. And no, I can think of a lot more than 4 or 5 who feel the way I do. And no, it wasn’t. You may feel it was, but your opinion doesn’t matter. Do you really think they'd have dropped it and given us no DLC if it sold well? I mean yeah sure anything is possible, but it is pretty damn unlikely. I like the game, but it being a failure is the most likely option given how it was treated. Looking at the situation the studio was in, yes. They had nobody able to work on DLCs. Austin was busy with SWTOR, Edmonton with Anthem and DA4, and Montreal was becoming Motive(which would have been in play before the game even came out). The fact they are still supporting the MP which needs less people shows it wasn’t completely abandoned, just they had not enough to do anything else.
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Post by anarchy65 on Jan 16, 2019 17:01:18 GMT
These people's opinion don't matter. A "lot of people" could be 4, 5 people. But ultimately Bioware knows Andromeda was a failure and the weak MC was one of the reasons. A "lot of people" missed DLC for Andromeda too, but not releasing DLC was the right choice. And your opinion matters just as little as ours. And no, I can think of a lot more than 4 or 5 who feel the way I do. And no, it wasn’t. You may feel it was, but your opinion doesn’t matter. Well, my "personal" opinion may not matter much to Bioware, but they know that my opinion is the opinion of a big majority, which explains their actions regarding ME:A. I mean, if it depended on you, they would have release tons of DLC and would be working on the game until today, and fortunately that just didn't happen. Which doesn't mean Bioware doesn't completely disregard the opinion of the few people who actually liked Andromeda, so they released a few books and comics to keep you happy.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 16, 2019 17:01:37 GMT
Just because the studio was closed doesn't mean what you assume it does. They kept Visceral open after the financial failure of Dead Space 2 and the person that makes that claim has more insight into Visceral as a studio then you do into BioWare. They didn't abandon the game, they didn't release DLC for the game which is getting confusing for I thought DLC was bad. Andrew Wilson has told investors and gives the impression the game did well which to me means more then internet logic jumping to Studio Closing + no DLC = failure. SourceRight, keep in denial then. You don't need a lot of insight to put two and two together. It's not about being a "financial" failure only, it's about being a failure as a game, just like Fallout 76 or No Man's Sky (although sometimes being a failure as a game means low sales too, in the case of Fallout 76) I am in just as much denial as you are, just because my opinion is different then your doesn't mean it is any less wrong then yours. I have seen plenty of comments about how people feel that Andromeda was the best Mass Effect game since Mass Effect 1, but I guess those people are in denial about what they like in a video game. Your opinion is your opinion, but it doesn't mean it is the truth. You do not have the information to claim that everyone that doesn't agree with you is in denial just like I don't have the evidence to prove your opinion is just as wrong as you claim mine is.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jan 16, 2019 17:01:55 GMT
While I loved Ryder and the crew of the Tempest I thought the Kett were boring. To me they were Organic Reapers/Borg who looked like the Collectors. I am not interested in what the Jaardan looked like whereas in the orginal trilogy I wondered what a Prothean looked like. I did not find the Angarans as interesting as the Milky Way species.
What can be done to rescue the Mass Effect setting? How can Mass Effect get it's sense of wonder back?
Depends on what you're find interesting I didn't have a desire to see what the Protheans looked liked in ME1 and really didn't care that they were transformed into the Collectors in ME2, and the fact that Javik was asshole didn't make me care.
I'm more interested in the Jaardan and why they created Angarans and who created the Scourge and why and what the Kett Empire is like elsewhere in Andromeda. That is really interesting to me a lot more than going back to Milky Way Galaxy for the never ending adventures of Shepard and company.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 16, 2019 17:02:08 GMT
And your opinion matters just as little as ours. And no, I can think of a lot more than 4 or 5 who feel the way I do. And no, it wasn’t. You may feel it was, but your opinion doesn’t matter. Do you really think they'd have dropped it and given us no DLC if it sold well? I mean yeah sure anything is possible, but it is pretty damn unlikely. I like the game, but it being a failure is the most likely option given how it was treated. Yes, if there were other problems at the studio and EA had no faith in the management or other problems that were there. An example would be if EA felt that the team in place there would make another mistake like procedural planets or even something as basic and they couldn't find another person to oversee the project for Mac Walters went back to Anthem from what I read when Andromeda shipped so there wasn't a person overseeing the studio at that point.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 16, 2019 17:02:54 GMT
And your opinion matters just as little as ours. And no, I can think of a lot more than 4 or 5 who feel the way I do. And no, it wasn’t. You may feel it was, but your opinion doesn’t matter. Well, my "personal" opinion may not matter much to Bioware, but they know that my opinion is the opinion of a big majority And likewise with my opinion.
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Post by anarchy65 on Jan 16, 2019 17:06:27 GMT
Right, keep in denial then. You don't need a lot of insight to put two and two together. It's not about being a "financial" failure only, it's about being a failure as a game, just like Fallout 76 or No Man's Sky (although sometimes being a failure as a game means low sales too, in the case of Fallout 76) I am in just as much denial as you are, just because my opinion is different then your doesn't mean it is any less wrong then yours. I have seen plenty of comments about how people feel that Andromeda was the best Mass Effect game since Mass Effect 1, but I guess those people are in denial about what they like in a video game. Your opinion is your opinion, but it doesn't mean it is the truth. You do not have the information to claim that everyone that doesn't agree with you is in denial just like I don't have the evidence to prove your opinion is just as wrong as you claim mine is. You can see how many comments you want on a Bioware-fan forum. You can probably see people that liked No Man's Sky or Fallout 76, but those game will still be failures. And yeah, I got plenty of evidence to back my opinion, Bioware's actions regarding the game are enough to show, or have you ever seen a big success being treated like MEA was? Please. But again if you want to keep denying, be my guest. I still have to see a loved big success game being treated like MEA was.
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Post by anarchy65 on Jan 16, 2019 17:06:52 GMT
Well, my "personal" opinion may not matter much to Bioware, but they know that my opinion is the opinion of a big majority And likewise with my opinion. Well, they seem to attend more to my wishes than yours regarding Andromeda, heh.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 16, 2019 17:08:25 GMT
And likewise with my opinion. Well, they seem to attend more to my wishes than yours regarding Andromeda, heh. We’ll see. We don’t know what they are doing for the next Mass Effect game yet.
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Post by anarchy65 on Jan 16, 2019 17:10:56 GMT
Well, they seem to attend more to my wishes than yours regarding Andromeda, heh. We’ll see. We don’t know what they are doing for the next Mass Effect game yet. They might as well try to improve Andromeda and correct its' mistakes (which I find really hard, it's easier to create something from scratch than turning interesting something uninteresting). But they already showed Andromeda was a failure by abandoning it, and it seems your opinion (that you claim to be the majority's opinion) didn't matter much for them =/
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 16, 2019 17:20:01 GMT
I am in just as much denial as you are, just because my opinion is different then your doesn't mean it is any less wrong then yours. I have seen plenty of comments about how people feel that Andromeda was the best Mass Effect game since Mass Effect 1, but I guess those people are in denial about what they like in a video game. Your opinion is your opinion, but it doesn't mean it is the truth. You do not have the information to claim that everyone that doesn't agree with you is in denial just like I don't have the evidence to prove your opinion is just as wrong as you claim mine is. You can see how many comments you want on a Bioware-fan forum. You can probably see people that liked No Man's Sky or Fallout 76, but those game will still be failures. And yeah, I got plenty of evidence to back my opinion, Bioware's actions regarding the game are enough to show, or have you ever seen a big success being treated like MEA was? Please. But again if you want to keep denying, be my guest. I still have to see a loved big success game being treated like MEA was. You are now putting words in my mouth, I never said that Andromeda was a big success either for all I have said is that it wasn't a failure. Just because other places on the internet agree with you doesn't mean you are right either look at the amount of people posting here versus the amount of unique visitors. There are too few people participating in the conversations there are just thousands of people participating in these conversations while I would think easily hundreds of thousands if not millions of people have played the game and have their own opinions.
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