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Post by Prince on Dec 15, 2016 12:42:15 GMT
I never kill Flemeth. She is one of my favorite characters in teh frnachise and Morrigan is one of my least favorites, so a nobrainer for me. I have no problem lying to Morrigan about her motehr and left her to rot in the camp afterwards. I only pick that quest, because it is nice to go talk to Flemeth again. I really started to hate Morrigan, when she lectured my very Dalish elf about her culture and religion. I stopped playing there until I found the 'Yes, we know about Mythal' mod on Nexus, which shuts Morrigan up about Dalish culture when you are playing a friggin' Dalish yourself (and as a veteran player and a thorough codex reader, I already knew about the Dalish gods and culture). That mod is a blessing. Unlike most of the other companions, Morrigan has nearly no redeeming qualities for me, only her voice actress, the wonderful Claudia Black - and I so wished, Morrigan had a bit more of Aeryn Sun, the character out of Blacks repertoire, I liked the most - that character started out as being cold and selfish too and ended up being a great addition to the Farscape cast. Morrigan knowing better than all Dalish together is the same as the Western samurai that ends up being the greatest samurai in history.
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Post by mike3207 on Dec 15, 2016 15:51:26 GMT
Not to kill.
I need a better reason than Morrigan wants it to kill Flemeth.
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Post by mattig89ch on Dec 25, 2016 7:49:22 GMT
I normally kill her. I've got no trouble with immortality, so long as your not killing others in the process. And it takes a special kind of bastard to want to wear your own children's skin as your own.
That said, the only play through I have on my PC, has her alive. Mostly because I beat the game on my 360, and I wanted to see what happens with her alive.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Jan 17, 2017 18:02:01 GMT
I never kill Flemeth. She is one of my favorite characters in teh frnachise and Morrigan is one of my least favorites, so a nobrainer for me. I have no problem lying to Morrigan about her motehr and left her to rot in the camp afterwards. I only pick that quest, because it is nice to go talk to Flemeth again. I really started to hate Morrigan, when she lectured my very Dalish elf about her culture and religion. I stopped playing there until I found the 'Yes, we know about Mythal' mod on Nexus, which shuts Morrigan up about Dalish culture when you are playing a friggin' Dalish yourself (and as a veteran player and a thorough codex reader, I already knew about the Dalish gods and culture). That mod is a blessing. Unlike most of the other companions, Morrigan has nearly no redeeming qualities for me, only her voice actress, the wonderful Claudia Black - and I so wished, Morrigan had a bit more of Aeryn Sun, the character out of Blacks repertoire, I liked the most - that character started out as being cold and selfish too and ended up being a great addition to the Farscape cast. Morrigan knowing better than all Dalish together is the same as the Western samurai that ends up being the greatest samurai in history. Well i think there's a bit of a difference. Morrigan was raised by Flemeth who is also Mythal. An ancient elven goddess. Her knowledge of elves and their history should be better than anyone else's save Solas/The Dread Wolf. No Dalish alive today would know more than those two. If Flemeth passed even a small fraction of that knowledge onto Morrigan she would know more than the Dalish who themselves hardly know anything about their history. I don't see how a westerner could possibly become the greatest samurai in history though.
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Post by Prince on Jan 19, 2017 0:07:46 GMT
Morrigan knowing better than all Dalish together is the same as the Western samurai that ends up being the greatest samurai in history. Well i think there's a bit of a difference. Morrigan was raised by Flemeth who is also Mythal. An ancient elven goddess. Her knowledge of elves and their history should be better than anyone else's save Solas/The Dread Wolf. No Dalish alive today would know more than those two. If Flemeth passed even a small fraction of that knowledge onto Morrigan she would know more than the Dalish who themselves hardly know anything about their history. I don't see how a westerner could possibly become the greatest samurai in history though. I don't really buy that being a daughter of Flemeth gave her too much of an advantage. Flemeth concealed a lot from Morrigan and always pushed her into finding answers herself rather than providing them for Morrigan on a platter. Plus, that little hut of theirs was hardly crammed with books, after all. In DA:I, she spends most of her role pretending she's some expert on elven lore and magic yet is about as wrong as any Dalish elf (see: being wrong about the eluvian, being determined to drink from this well that she's only just heard of, confusing tales and history when she chats **** about the statues in the Temple - and being on the receiving end of some snark from Solas because of it, being unable to see the gaes in the well and being determined to drink from it regardless of being told about it, and... well, her reunion with Flemeth regardless of what choices you picked. Morrigan to me felt like she read a couple of books and declared herself an expert on the Elves. So, given that our resident ~elven expert~ has about as much as a clue as everyone else, despite her efforts to make us believe otherwise why is she better than the Dalish?
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Jan 20, 2017 15:31:30 GMT
Well i think there's a bit of a difference. Morrigan was raised by Flemeth who is also Mythal. An ancient elven goddess. Her knowledge of elves and their history should be better than anyone else's save Solas/The Dread Wolf. No Dalish alive today would know more than those two. If Flemeth passed even a small fraction of that knowledge onto Morrigan she would know more than the Dalish who themselves hardly know anything about their history. I don't see how a westerner could possibly become the greatest samurai in history though. I don't really buy that being a daughter of Flemeth gave her too much of an advantage. Flemeth concealed a lot from Morrigan and always pushed her into finding answers herself rather than providing them for Morrigan on a platter. Plus, that little hut of theirs was hardly crammed with books, after all. In DA:I, she spends most of her role pretending she's some expert on elven lore and magic yet is about as wrong as any Dalish elf (see: being wrong about the eluvian, being determined to drink from this well that she's only just heard of, confusing tales and history when she chats **** about the statues in the Temple - and being on the receiving end of some snark from Solas because of it, being unable to see the gaes in the well and being determined to drink from it regardless of being told about it, and... well, her reunion with Flemeth regardless of what choices you picked. Morrigan to me felt like she read a couple of books and declared herself an expert on the Elves. So, given that our resident ~elven expert~ has about as much as a clue as everyone else, despite her efforts to make us believe otherwise why is she better than the Dalish? What do the Dalish know that Morrigan doesn't? How many Dalish have even heard of an eluvian much less seen one or even used it? The Dread Wolf knows more about the elves than anyone save Mythal. Him mocking Morrigan for her ignorance amounts to nothing. Her wanting to drink from the well is more about willfulness (is that a word?) than anything else imo. Better than the Dalish? As far as what? Knowledge of elven history? I think she knows more than they do. Not much more though.
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Post by Prince on Jan 21, 2017 17:23:35 GMT
What do the Dalish know that Morrigan doesn't? How many Dalish have even heard of an eluvian much less seen one or even used it? The Dread Wolf knows more about the elves than anyone save Mythal. Him mocking Morrigan for her ignorance amounts to nothing. Her wanting to drink from the well is more about willfulness (is that a word?) than anything else imo. Better than the Dalish? As far as what? Knowledge of elven history? I think she knows more than they do. Not much more though. Whilst you can question how much the Dalish know, it's not like Morrigan has access to much better sources, given she's an apostate leaving on the edge of the wilderness. She didn't particularly care or comment about the elves particularly in Origins - ancient magic yes, elven lore and history no - so we can assume she didn't bother researching them until she left the Warden. She's not a dreamer, so can't search the fade for information that is lost, and she has no access to any substantial library until she's in Orlais, which is likely going to be heavily restricted because it's Orlais - it annihilated the Dales and subsequently purged all information about the elves.I wish you could shove her off her pedestal in Inquisition, she knows basically nowt.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Jan 24, 2017 6:38:38 GMT
She lived in the wilderness with Flemythal...
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Post by Kei on Jan 25, 2017 20:56:21 GMT
Morrigan's paranoia was baseless. Flemeth was never going to do it.
Funny story: "bargain with the merchant yourself" "rescue your daughter yourself", "exorcise your child yourself"...
"kill my mother for me, please? I'm not even going to show up at the fight"
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Post by akiza on Jan 30, 2017 9:20:14 GMT
I don't recall this option then again it's been years from the last time i played DAO,it was possible to kill Morrigan in DAO? With mods yes you can. And she gave me only 1 exp... Sometimes you have to give people a taste of their own medicine....Survival of the fittest !?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 12:24:08 GMT
One more dragon fight ? Yes please
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Feb 7, 2017 15:21:52 GMT
"Kill" Flemeth.
By this point in the game, Morrigan's been fighting as a member of my party for at least several "battles" (Lothering, Circle Tower, Honnleath, random encounters) and so she's at the point where if she's asking for something to be done, I can trust her enough to do it in good conscience. I have no reason to believe she's making anything up, and she's pretty inept at hiding her emotions. Her fear seems pretty genuine.
Besides, I'm always willing to spare the assassin and let him join my party. If the helpful witch is terrified of her mother and asks for her to be dealt with, I feel as though I'd be pretty arbitrary if I didn't do it.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Feb 7, 2017 19:24:10 GMT
It would be better for Flemeth to leave you on the top of Fort Drakon next time And yes Morrigan is making something up,even someone like Alistair was able to understand that.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Feb 8, 2017 2:30:23 GMT
It would be better for Flemeth to leave you on the top of Fort Drakon next time And yes Morrigan is making something up,even someone like Alistair was able to understand that. Concerning fighting Flemeth, entirely within the scope of DAO and not later games?
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Post by oyabun on Feb 8, 2017 17:43:04 GMT
Morrigan's paranoia was baseless. Flemeth was never going to do it. Funny story: "bargain with the merchant yourself" "rescue your daughter yourself", "exorcise your child yourself"... "kill my mother for me, please? I'm not even going to show up at the fight" I've never understood why she did not wanted to be part of the battle,she could have been sure that the Warden was really killing Flemeth and not simply Lying to her in the camp about it. I recall she said that she couldn't because she had the fear that Flemeth could had the power to possess her right there,but why she thought that the possession thing had a range limit in the first place?If you ask me the best way to not become possessed is to leave the soul of the enemy inside their own body by not killing them at all.
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Post by talyn82 on Feb 16, 2017 18:07:26 GMT
I've never killed Flemeth, despite loving Morrigan. I don't like the idea of being Morrigan's dog. I just make the deal with Flemeth and give Morrigan the Grimoire.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 21, 2017 19:01:54 GMT
Morrigan's paranoia was baseless. Flemeth was never going to do it. Funny story: "bargain with the merchant yourself" "rescue your daughter yourself", "exorcise your child yourself"... "kill my mother for me, please? I'm not even going to show up at the fight" Yavanna from The Silent Grove mocks her for misinterpreting Flemeth's intentions, lol.
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Post by Mark7 on Mar 25, 2017 2:48:09 GMT
I've never unlocked that quest because I sent Morrigan off to Vegas early in the game. To think that even if you help her she can still throw an hissy fit to her savior at Redclieffe really makes me appreciate the fact that I've never trusted nor helped her from the start. There are people who deserve to be helped,Morrigan the Mother killer isn't one of them.
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Post by tidus on Mar 25, 2017 10:27:53 GMT
No..I won't do Morrigan's bidding and kill Flemeth.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 14:35:49 GMT
Most of the time I do not kill Flemeth because I find Morrigan's request over the top selfish. Since Flemeth stated that she wished the Blight stopped, it was safe to assume that she wouldn't attack Morrigan for as long as the Archdemon is strutting about, but noooo 'go kill her NAO! I demand it!' Morrigan is perfectly ok with throwing into a hugely dangerous battle one of the two remaining wardens who are crucial to stopping the Blight. My noble human also felt that it was ungrateful to turn around and stab in the face someone who saved your life and preserved Ferelden's chances to fight off the Blight. At that point Flemeth is probably messing with the horde and killing any darkspawn stupid enough to get close to her hut, so why kill a valuable ally that's stalling the evils?
However, if it's your 2nd playthrough and you're aware of the dark ritual - it IS crucial to consider, not Morrigan's well being but the future of the old God child. Flemeth shouldn't be allowed to get her hands on that child. This is also the reason I tend to kill the Architect because it freaks me out when he claims he wishes to seek out the baby after all those 'turn the wardens into ghouls' experiments.
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Post by Jarovbees on Aug 7, 2017 18:40:19 GMT
I've killed Flemeth 100% of the time, and I like her just fine but you can't ask me to skip a dragon fight. That's my purely self-insert response, anyway. Most of my Wardens are friendly enough with Morrigan to justify it, and those that aren't could still see her as a threat.
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Post by XJlock on Aug 8, 2017 5:46:18 GMT
Flemeth did nothing to hinder me so I let her live.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 8, 2017 11:32:17 GMT
Most of the time I do not kill Flemeth because I find Morrigan's request over the top selfish. Since Flemeth stated that she wished the Blight stopped, it was safe to assume that she wouldn't attack Morrigan for as long as the Archdemon is strutting about, but noooo 'go kill her NAO! I demand it!' Morrigan is perfectly ok with throwing into a hugely dangerous battle one of the two remaining wardens who are crucial to stopping the Blight. My noble human also felt that it was ungrateful to turn around and stab in the face someone who saved your life and preserved Ferelden's chances to fight off the Blight. At that point Flemeth is probably messing with the horde and killing any darkspawn stupid enough to get close to her hut, so why kill a valuable ally that's stalling the evils? However, if it's your 2nd playthrough and you're aware of the dark ritual - it IS crucial to consider, not Morrigan's well being but the future of the old God child. Flemeth shouldn't be allowed to get her hands on that child. This is also the reason I tend to kill the Architect because it freaks me out when he claims he wishes to seek out the baby after all those 'turn the wardens into ghouls' experiments. With my Warden, I just chalk it up to love clouding his judgment. Morrigan was being paranoid and the grimoire's intructions on how to perform a soul transfer ritual don't specifically say it's gonna be used on Flemeth's daughters. Huh. I did a DR pt all the way through the DLCs once and I don't remember the Architect saying that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 13:21:05 GMT
Most of the time I do not kill Flemeth because I find Morrigan's request over the top selfish. Since Flemeth stated that she wished the Blight stopped, it was safe to assume that she wouldn't attack Morrigan for as long as the Archdemon is strutting about, but noooo 'go kill her NAO! I demand it!' Morrigan is perfectly ok with throwing into a hugely dangerous battle one of the two remaining wardens who are crucial to stopping the Blight. My noble human also felt that it was ungrateful to turn around and stab in the face someone who saved your life and preserved Ferelden's chances to fight off the Blight. At that point Flemeth is probably messing with the horde and killing any darkspawn stupid enough to get close to her hut, so why kill a valuable ally that's stalling the evils? However, if it's your 2nd playthrough and you're aware of the dark ritual - it IS crucial to consider, not Morrigan's well being but the future of the old God child. Flemeth shouldn't be allowed to get her hands on that child. This is also the reason I tend to kill the Architect because it freaks me out when he claims he wishes to seek out the baby after all those 'turn the wardens into ghouls' experiments. With my Warden, I just chalk it up to love clouding his judgment. Morrigan was being paranoid and the grimoire's intructions on how to perform a soul transfer ritual don't specifically say it's gonna be used on Flemeth's daughters. Huh. I did a DR pt all the way through the DLCs once and I don't remember the Architect saying that. Oghren even mentions a dream in Awakening where he hears a question 'where is the child?' It is Architect's desire to severe the link between the old gods and darkspawn. Where can you get an access to an old god that can't defend itself yet for your experiments? Of course he's going to go after that baby. I don't recall him saying it either on a warden who didn't do the ritual though. In my opinion if you're romancing Morrigan, than I don't know about what's best for Ferelden, but for that specific story arc it would be best to do the ritual, eliminate any potential threats to the child and at the end of the Witch Hunt to go with Morrigan through the portal. This way that child will be the safest. Yes, if you're romancing Morrigan than I can't think of a better incentive to kill Flemmeth. She is an ancient abomination after all.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 8, 2017 13:44:50 GMT
With my Warden, I just chalk it up to love clouding his judgment. Morrigan was being paranoid and the grimoire's intructions on how to perform a soul transfer ritual don't specifically say it's gonna be used on Flemeth's daughters. Huh. I did a DR pt all the way through the DLCs once and I don't remember the Architect saying that. Oghren even mentions a dream in Awakening where he hears a question 'where is the child?' It is Architect's desire to severe the link between the old gods and darkspawn. Where can you get an access to an old god that can't defend itself yet for your experiments? Of course he's going to go after that baby. I don't recall him saying it either on a warden who didn't do the ritual though. In my opinion if you're romancing Morrigan, than I don't know about what's best for Ferelden, but for that specific story arc it would be best to do the ritual, eliminate any potential threats to the child and at the end of the Witch Hunt to go with Morrigan through the portal. This way that child will be the safest. Yes, if you're romancing Morrigan than I can't think of a better incentive to kill Flemmeth. She is an ancient abomination after all. Ah, it is a theory then. You don't need to worry about that when Kieran is a normal child, though.
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