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Post by Heimdall on Jan 28, 2019 23:13:03 GMT
I’ll admit it, I didn’t suspect Solas was up to anything at all until his conduct in the Temple of Mythal and after the final battle raised some red flags. I just sort of thought he was an interesting nerd.
Me: “You seem intelligent, tell me some things about the ancient elves or the Fade.”
Solas: “You imagine treehouses, instead picture crystal spires.”
Me: “Fascinating! How did you learn that?”
Solas: “...Dreaming in the Fade.”
Me: “...I accept your explanation without question!”
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jan 28, 2019 23:24:42 GMT
Warning bells, but wasn't sure.
I was fairly suspicious of the whole "knows how the mark works before I did" thing, but beyond that, just assumed he was cagey by default, as most apostates are. And the fact that he spent a lot of time in the Fade seemed plausible enough to explain his knowledge.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jan 28, 2019 23:33:32 GMT
Not at all. I just thought he was a mystical mage type that was too up in his own head. I'd be curious about a similar poll regarding Blackwall.
[edit] I'll add that I don't quite get the fan attitude that people have about mage followers, as shown in the option mentioning Morrigan and Anders.
We've had Wynne, Morrigan, Velanna, DAA Anders, Merrill, DA2 Anders, Solas, Dorian, and Vivienne.
Only THREE of those nine are something other than they appear. Of the more, uh, negative mages -- Velanna, Merrill, Vivienne -- none hide their views or goals, and are pretty straightforward in their purpose. Then we have Wynne, DAA Anders, and Dorian that are "good" mages.
I'd even say that DA2 Anders is also straightforward in the game itself. He doesn't attempt to meter his rebellious views. While yes, the ultimate act is shocking, in hindsight, it's not all that surprising for the character.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jan 28, 2019 23:40:52 GMT
I worked out that he was an ancient elf relatively quickly. Some time shortly after we reached Skyhold, don't remember exactly which dialogue tipped me. I'd read The Masked Empire and recognised the type.
I did NOT guess that he was Fen'Harel. My exact words during the coda scene were 'what the fucking fucking FUCK???' Because two fucks were not enough for now surprised I was.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 28, 2019 23:47:30 GMT
Not at all. I just thought he was a mystical mage type that was too up in his own head. I'd be curious about a similar poll regarding Blackwall. yeah I was more suspicious of Blackwall than of Solas tbh especially when during Varric's ques tyou take him along and ask him how many darkspawn thereare which if he was a true Grey warden he' d have known as he'd have been able to sense them as he said he wasn't sure. I wasn't suspicious of Solas himself until I saw the ending then I suspected there was something unusual about him. I never expected him to be the dread wolf either though until our characters found out in Trespasser
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Post by coldsteelblue on Jan 28, 2019 23:56:55 GMT
I felt that there was something off about him, that there was more to him & that he was quite clearly holding back where he got some of his knowledge from, I couldn't quite place what it was though.
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Post by ahglock on Jan 29, 2019 0:02:44 GMT
Incredibly. I was shocked when cornhole or whatever his name was showed up as the initial big bad. The whole I instantly know everything about your magic hand thing seemed super suspicious.
Edit too add I never really spoke with Blackwell much and wasn’t suspicious of him at all. And I intentionally leveled up solas as poorly as possible in the hopes it would make the end fight easier.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 29, 2019 0:32:44 GMT
Having read Masked Empire, I was suspicious that he worked for Felassan’s boss. So... basically as accurate as Viddasala was.
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Post by Gwydden on Jan 29, 2019 1:34:50 GMT
Having read Masked Empire, I was suspicious that he worked for Felassan’s boss. So... basically as accurate as Viddasala was. Pretty much. After Masked Empire, I was certain he was at least an ancient elf. I don't think it occurred to me he was Fen'Harel specifically, though, since nothing about him screams trickster god to me and his power level was fairly mundane. But I did not find the twist surprising, because 1. his appearance at the beginning of the game is way too convenient, 2. his backstory is extremely vague, much more so than any other companion's, and 3. he did not have much of an arc so clearly the writers were holding cards to their chest when it came to him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 2:11:10 GMT
The only reason I bought DA:I was because I got spoiled on Solas, and I wanted to see how it was handled in game. I was not disappointed.
If I hadn't been spoiled, I think I would have thought he was an ancient elf by the time WPHW rolled around, because it seemed pretty obvious, but since I didn't catch on to Blackwall's deception other than that he'd done some bad shit, I probably wouldn't have guessed about Solas being Fen'Harel, either.
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Post by Jarovbees on Jan 29, 2019 3:28:29 GMT
'I learned from Morrigan and Anders, I knew something was off.' Because really, an apostate/hedge mage that decides to help out a Chantry-influenced Inquisition? Yeah, something's up. Tbf, though, his condescending attitude got to me quickly and I was never going to like him anyway. So, at least him being shady made things a little more interesting.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jan 29, 2019 6:04:42 GMT
Not at all. I just thought he was a mystical mage type that was too up in his own head. I'd be curious about a similar poll regarding Blackwall. yeah I was more suspicious of Blackwall than of Solas tbh especially when during Varric's ques tyou take him along and ask him how many darkspawn thereare which if he was a true Grey warden he' d have known as he'd have been able to sense them as he said he wasn't sure. I wasn't suspicious of Solas himself until I saw the ending then I suspected there was something unusual about him. I never expected him to be the dread wolf either though until our characters found out in Trespasser That's it right there. Blackwall was shady as fuck from the start. They hid Solas' shady by highlighting Blackwall's. But the brilliant part was that they were both shady. It would've been so easy to have had him be exactly what he claimed and his shadiness just be plot cloaking for Solas. But it was the fact that we got a resolution to his shady story earlier than Solas that completed the smoke and mirrors act.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 29, 2019 6:07:46 GMT
I never trusted him. Even during the first cutscene with him something seemed off.
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 29, 2019 6:46:11 GMT
Like some of the others here, I never guessed he was Fen'Harel, but knew something was up. I liked bringing him along, especially in the first few PTs, as he always some insight to share wherever we went. But that also meant it was easy to see he was hiding things. So, yeah. Between the little hesitant verbal queues, the eloquent speech, the mannerisms, and just knowing too goddamn much...
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Post by Ajna on Jan 29, 2019 6:46:54 GMT
We'd spent A LOT of time in the Solas thread making ourselves paranoid prior to release so it was impossible to go into a first pt without some suspicion. If I didn't have that experience then I probably would have had a little alarm bell ringing when we got to Skyhold purely because of the way he looks at you...
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 29, 2019 6:53:19 GMT
We'd spent A LOT of time in the Solas thread making ourselves paranoid prior to release so it was impossible to go into a first pt without some suspicion. If I didn't have that experience then I probably would have had a little alarm bell ringing when we got to Skyhold purely because of the way he looks at you... Oh yes, I remember. "He's pretty straightforward, honestly. Just your average elven apostate who voluntarily joins the Inquisition..." - Patrick Weekes
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Post by Ajna on Jan 29, 2019 6:55:57 GMT
We'd spent A LOT of time in the Solas thread making ourselves paranoid prior to release so it was impossible to go into a first pt without some suspicion. If I didn't have that experience then I probably would have had a little alarm bell ringing when we got to Skyhold purely because of the way he looks at you... Oh yes, I remember. "He's pretty straightforward, honestly. Just your average elven apostate who voluntarily joins the Inquisition..." - Patrick Weekes
Exactly!
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 29, 2019 7:17:44 GMT
I wasn't interested enough to find him suspicious.
Plus I got spoiled about it.
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Post by Reznore on Jan 29, 2019 11:43:39 GMT
I was suspicious when we got the character background before release. A guy who learnt all about the fade all by himself, and was just a simple apostate. The fade is dangerous, even Morrigan who had a special background didn't go tripping in the fade nilly willy.
Somehow once in game I forgot about that, and Solas was just pleasant although a bit annoying at time with his know it all attitude. I didn't take everything he said as 100% true though, I still think he loves the fade and spirits and can't have the same opinion as random joe who can be threatened by fade stuff.
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Post by Blaze on Jan 29, 2019 12:04:07 GMT
wait wait wait! what did morrigan did wrong exactly? made sure you won't die when illing the archdemon? seriously? if anything she is the opposite of solas in that regard; while no one suspected solas but at the end we couldn't tell his true motives (we still don't know them fully) for morrigan everyone seem to suspect her easily (not sure why, i found her helpful in both games) but at the end her plans seem quite clear.
and since the topic of blackwall came up, i knew something was off, but wasn't sure what. if the game would have allowed me to ask the follow up question i had than i would most likely figured it out. so i guess he was lucky the inquisitor didn't have my knowledge of the grey wardens. i didn't see solas coming, i mean i realized who he is when flemeth called him "dread wolf" but that easy by that point. thing is, it was well done because while you might not see it coming, it made perfect sense once you learn the truth.
when it came to inquisition, the companion that really took me off guard was the iron bull, you'd expect the spy to be the least forthcoming yet he kept no secret about his loyalties. and say what you will about him possibly attacking us in trespasser, he betrayed no one. he said he is qunari from the start, and while he was helping the inquisition he was clear about his loyalties, he was just doing his job.
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Post by Ieldra on Jan 29, 2019 12:26:27 GMT
I'll add that I don't quite get the fan attitude that people have about mage followers, as shown in the option mentioning Morrigan and Anders.
We've had Wynne, Morrigan, Velanna, DAA Anders, Merrill, DA2 Anders, Solas, Dorian, and Vivienne.
Only THREE of those nine are something other than they appear. Of the more, uh, negative mages -- Velanna, Merrill, Vivienne -- none hide their views or goals, and are pretty straightforward in their purpose. Then we have Wynne, DAA Anders, and Dorian that are "good" mages.
I'd even say that DA2 Anders is also straightforward in the game itself. He doesn't attempt to meter his rebellious views. While yes, the ultimate act is shocking, in hindsight, it's not all that surprising for the character.
Indeed so. I might add that before Solas, of all these only Anders had goals possibly detrimental to the protagonist's interests and was deceptive about making you help. I really don't get people's attitude to Morrigan, specifically. She had her own goal, sure, but it never clashed with yours. I don't know why people expect companions to have no interests except yours.
As for Solas, no, I didn't suspect him of anything fishy, right until the epilogue reveal of the maing game. Even less did I suspect his identity. I took him as he presented himself. Which is fine, really. A master trickster like him should be able to trick us without raising suspicion. I might've gotten somewhat suspicious with Cole and Solas in my party more often, but for some reason, I almost never had a party with both of them.
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Post by Liadan on Jan 29, 2019 14:20:42 GMT
Not at all. I had more suspicions about Blackwall than i had about Solas. The only moment that i thought he was up to something was when we reached Skyhold and he gave us that look , but even then i didn`t had a clue about him being an ancient elf or Fen`Harel.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 15:47:09 GMT
I barely talked to Solas once in Skyhold, so no, It was difficult to become suspicious. You have much less content when he is hostile toward you. And to be honest I didn't care much about him.
The one I suspected was Blackwall. Boring as fuck, I couldn't believe he was really a grey warden with so few stories about the order, the darkspawns. And he was so boring, I didn't care much talking to him... What I hate, is that because of him, we will probably never have a true grey warden companion.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 29, 2019 16:42:29 GMT
Another thing as memtioned was even in the pre-release stuff there were things that made him suspicious. I remember people pointing out him being in the Judas spot in the image reminiscent to The Last Supper.
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Post by Artemis on Jan 29, 2019 17:01:47 GMT
No suspicions whatsoever! I really liked him, and thought he was this wise hahren. I was a little bit in love with him. I struggled to finish the game, though, and got spoiled on the ending with Flemeth. It was a disappointing thing to learn as I liked him more as simply a somewhat older, wiser traveling mage.
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