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Post by Zemgus on Feb 2, 2019 22:27:49 GMT
I didn't find him suspicious at all though I remember my character thinking he was asking far too many questions.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 11, 2019 17:59:48 GMT
wait wait wait! what did morrigan did wrong exactly? made sure you won't die when illing the archdemon? seriously? if anything she is the opposite of solas in that regard; while no one suspected solas but at the end we couldn't tell his true motives (we still don't know them fully) for morrigan everyone seem to suspect her easily (not sure why, i found her helpful in both games) but at the end her plans seem quite clear. Weeeeell... Morrigan didn't tell the Warden the whole truth. She joined the team under the premise that it was just to help, but the goal of obtaining the old god soul was kept hidden. Conveniently, she waited until they had just learned about the sacrifice. Any potential moral objections disappear when your judgment is clouded by fear of death. And personally, I'm not a fan of experimenting on my own child, like a lab rat. Kieran isn't a tool.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 11, 2019 18:12:03 GMT
Warning bells, but wasn't sure I started to get really suspicious of him after I noticed a lot of the times he would just explain things away by saying he saw it in the fade, it just seemed odd, because sometimes it sounded like he had firsthand experience with certain things that simply viewing an event through the fade wouldn't be sufficient imo. A great example of this is if you bring him to the Winter Palace and then talk to him afterward "I had forgotten how I missed court intrigue." Yeah he's definitely talking from experience there.
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Post by Walter Black on Feb 11, 2019 21:33:35 GMT
Previous Bioware games have taught me to expect dramatic character revels, so I was slightly suspicious. I figured Solas could have been a deep cover triple agent for someone, but not the Dread Wolf. Of course, since the writers know we're expecting big twists, I kept my mind open tot he possibility that he was telling the truth, just to mess with people. I actually like the idea of an ordinary person who rises among legends through their own effort, which is another reason I hate the Sera=Andruil theory. At this point, I think it would be a twist if the cagey character turned out to simply be not good with people .
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Post by Noxluxe on Feb 12, 2019 23:43:59 GMT
He was the only one with any clue of what to do about the crisis, and the only one unequivocally supportive of doing it. None of my characters to date felt they could even afford to suspect him until he disappeared at the end.
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Post by simit on Feb 12, 2019 23:59:28 GMT
Never had a clue an when it was revealed all i could think was "an not a whisker in view", i think thats probably why noone thought he'd be who he is, you think Dread Wolf an the picture of a bald elf as smooth as a babies arse aint really the first image that pops up
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Post by lucidae on Feb 21, 2019 20:03:54 GMT
As soon as our private chat in the mountains after haven fell I knew something was up. He was Fishy with a capital F. That didn't stop me from making him my BFF though.
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Post by xMissWoox on Feb 21, 2019 20:52:43 GMT
I admit, I fell for it hook, line and sinker.
Throughout the whole game I just assumed he was different from other mages because he was an apostate, and different from other Elves because he was neither city elf nor Dalish. I assumed he knew so much about everything because he really did just spend so much time learning in the Fade.
I do recall being rather confused as to why he seemed be pro-elf at the same time as being anti-Dalish which, at the time, seemed to be two incompatible viewpoints to me.
Ultimately the reveal was spoiled for me, but I don't think it detracted from my enjoyment of it. I'm actually quite pleased that I was so thoroughly hoodwinked by the bastard.
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Post by opuspace on Feb 22, 2019 5:40:54 GMT
I wasn't particularly fascinated with Solas enough to pay close attention to everything he did so the reveal wasn't expected. There were hints here and there that there was something more, but Dread Wolf? Nope. Did not see that one coming. I'm not sure yet how I feel about Solas beyond being willing to try to keep him from bringing more death and destruction. That explosion at the Conclave...makes one really think.
Blackwall's was pretty obvious that he was hiding something, but the severity was what took me by surprise. More often, the tired old tropes about hidden pasts to be ashamed of that aren't really that bad tend to be more common. But that one pulled no punches.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Feb 22, 2019 5:46:50 GMT
I wasn't particularly fascinated with Solas enough to pay close attention to everything he did so the reveal wasn't expected. There were hints here and there that there was something more, but Dread Wolf? Nope. Did not see that one coming. I'm not sure yet how I feel about Solas beyond being willing to try to keep him from bringing more death and destruction. That explosion at the Conclave...makes one really think. Blackwall's was pretty obvious that he was hiding something, but the severity was what took me by surprise. More often, the tired old tropes about hidden pasts to be ashamed of that aren't really that bad tend to be more common. But that one pulled no punches. Agreed on Blackwall. The severity of his crimes left me waffling on what to do and I actually ended up completing the game the first time without dealing with him. I think by default that means he died in Orlais. lol Though I did a reload and chose Wardens for him. Kind of a "Let fate decide with the Joining" thing.
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Post by opuspace on Feb 22, 2019 5:51:27 GMT
I wasn't particularly fascinated with Solas enough to pay close attention to everything he did so the reveal wasn't expected. There were hints here and there that there was something more, but Dread Wolf? Nope. Did not see that one coming. I'm not sure yet how I feel about Solas beyond being willing to try to keep him from bringing more death and destruction. That explosion at the Conclave...makes one really think. Blackwall's was pretty obvious that he was hiding something, but the severity was what took me by surprise. More often, the tired old tropes about hidden pasts to be ashamed of that aren't really that bad tend to be more common. But that one pulled no punches. Agreed on Blackwall. The severity of his crimes left me waffling on what to do and I actually ended up completing the game the first time without dealing with him. I think by default that means he died in Orlais. lol Though I did a reload and chose Wardens for him. Kind of a "Let fate decide with the Joining" thing. The first time I found out, I pored over every damn dialogue, reviewed every past action and mention, carefully examined everything relating to him before deciding. I was determined to get every piece of information I could before judging him and to be honest, two things kept me from writing him off. 1. He was working his tail off doing good things for others without expectation of a reward for some time as that farmer in Redcliffe says 2. He didn't know about all the details and as a result, froze up in shock. If he had known beforehand and still let it happen...well I should speak more of this in the other thread then.
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Post by fylimar on Feb 22, 2019 5:57:44 GMT
He did set up a lot of warning bells in me. I knew, something was very off with him, but the end was still a surprise.
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Post by Fredward on Feb 22, 2019 13:21:59 GMT
There was a lot I didn't pick up on which I should have in retrospect, the sheer convenience of him just happening to be in the area when it all went down (standard gaming contrivance thought I), the depth of his knowledge despite the fragmentary and reflective nature of the Fade, Skyhold etc. But there were a few things that were worthy of some side eye, usually in side dialogue or banter. Like him giving Sera pointers on how to manage insurgency cells, saying how he missed mingling in the halls of power, his largely aberrant opinion on the Grey Wardens. He actually makes a lot of odd little comments and hints you pick up on in subsequent playthroughs. Very well done.
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Post by Sah291 on Feb 23, 2019 5:04:14 GMT
I was suspicious right away, the moment he was introduced and seemed to know so much about how the anchor worked. But because I was playing a Dalish elf mage, I was like...well ok, I'm a prisoner here and I don't trust these humans either...so I was set up to trust him as an ally. But I just thought he was going to turn out to be one of Cory's henchmen, involved with the rebel mages somehow. About half way through the game (and I was romancing him), things get a little weirder. Solas knows way too much about spirits and the fade... but I only suspected he was probably a demon like Cole, or maybe a possessed mage like Wynne or Anders. I really did not see the whole ancient elf/dread wolf thing coming until the very end.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Feb 25, 2019 1:54:46 GMT
I didn't get as far as the Temple of Mythal in my first playthrough (my computer died on me), and I could tell he wasn't telling the whole truth, but he seemed to have been emotionally hurt so I assumed he had some past that he was very guarded about. And, as an apostate, that made sense. I did not assume he was an ancient elf or Fen'Harel.
His true identity had been spoiled for me by the time I finally had a new computer and could play through, but I played as a Lavellan and romanced him to see how it would be handled. It's my canon playthrough.
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Post by grallon on Feb 25, 2019 3:23:46 GMT
I think the first inkling of suspicion entered my mind during that early conversation in Haven, when the Herald asks him to talk about himself, and he's immediately very guarded. Then there was his general aloofness with pretty much everyone. And the snide comments peppered here and there. But on the first run, I never imagined he was the mastermind behind it all until the epilogue with Mythal. Although, I confess it's difficult now to recall those early impressions, after so many runs through the game.
If DA4 doesn't end up being made after all, I'll be very disappointed.
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Post by x19dude95 on Aug 5, 2019 14:02:19 GMT
I had no reason to suspect him for anything until his likes started to become bjs dislikes.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 5, 2019 19:45:42 GMT
I voted no suspicion. I figured there was something really bad in his background, like maybe he blew up his home town with an accidental Veil breach or some such, but I didn't think that there was anything which would actually be a problem for the Inquisitor.
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Post by Doominike on Aug 6, 2019 12:03:54 GMT
He rang a bunch of bells.
The whole: "I know lots of obscure shit no one else knows because Fade dreams, go with it". Sounding pretty enthusiastic about how it would be if the Fade wasn't separated, like main big threat is holes in the Fade spewing demons all over and this companion is just like "wouldn't it be awesome if instead of holes to the Fade, it was just everywhere all the time ?". Then there's knowing an artifact was involved in creating the Breach, and that it's an Orb, and that it's elven, and that it's called a Foci. Also claiming not to feel kinship with modern elves but still being barefoot and speaking fluent elvish, that's a big one.
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Post by Sharable Horizon on Aug 6, 2019 18:54:59 GMT
He and Blackwall suckered me in good! I never saw either reveal coming. Quick question for those of you who suspected Solas. Had you read any of the books before your first playthrough? Before DAI my knowledge of Thedas was constrained to whatever was stated in game and I had no idea that ancient elves walking among us was even a thing! As I still haven’t read any (Tevinter Nights may be my first!) I’m curious to see if any hints were dropped in the run up to inquisition.
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Post by helios969 on Aug 7, 2019 8:47:30 GMT
Well he's an elf so of course I was suspicious...bunch of sneaking cutthroats those elves. But no I didn't really have any inclination he was Mr Dread Wolf...not like figuring out who Flemeth really was. Blackwall was much easier to see coming given his evasive nature anytime you tried to question him on his past or Grey Warden matters...though the exact nature of his dark secret was a bit of a surprise...so well done Bioware. For the most part I think they do a really good job foreshadowing these sorts of things.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 7, 2019 13:16:05 GMT
I only figured out that he was Fen'Harel during Trespasser, but I didn't trust him at all from the beginning. After Anders' nonsense my BS-ometer is primed, and Mr Knows-it-all about the mark and breach gave it away early that he was lying through his teeth. I tihnk if my first pt had been an elf I'd have clocked him earlier.
I'm super surprised by the the results of this poll.
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Post by AnDromedary on Aug 7, 2019 18:44:10 GMT
Definitely thought he was an oddball and potentially dangerous (especially after the first in depth conversation you have with him in New Haven. But I did not see it coming that he'd be the ultimate villain. And IMO, it is still debatable if he really is. That's why I want him to be the main antagonist in the next game, he is so well built up, if BW plays their cards well with Solas he could be the ultimate grey antagonist.
For the poll, I chose the second option but tbh, it doesn't really hit the mark for what I was thinking exactly either.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Aug 8, 2019 0:05:11 GMT
Some warning bells maybe, I found his special knowledge about the fade and early elves a little too rich in details and facts. Especially since he knew SO much more about it than anybody else. But in Trespasser I was like
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Post by Solas on Aug 8, 2019 4:22:07 GMT
I remember blithely and totally trusting him myself, completely taken in. literally like wow! what a standup guy! so smart and helpful. my 2 whole braincells... but my character found him very questionable and suspect. She thought he was hiding something from the outset and did not trust him. funny how that works. is this what they mean when theyre like trust your dog's instincts! they Know! ?? lol
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