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Post by dstenning on Feb 5, 2019 13:14:54 GMT
Fully aware of the hate this comment will get but fully in support of it anyway....
Online games are for unintelligent gamers.
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Post by biggydx on Feb 5, 2019 13:38:41 GMT
As someone who's played Destiny and The Division, I cant elaborate on how much I can appreciate a pause button. I'm also someone who likes exploring worlds to try find out every bit of information about people and the area. It's why I look for lore videos such as those for Dragon Age, Destiny, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, etc.
It's not that I can't enjoy myself in a multiplayer experience, but sometimes I do like to have some time to experience everything alone.
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Post by Kroitz on Feb 5, 2019 13:41:54 GMT
Fully aware of the hate this comment will get but fully in support of it anyway.... Online games are for unintelligent gamers.
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Post by lynroy on Feb 5, 2019 13:48:26 GMT
I'm not an outgoing person. I don't like people. I don't like being asked if I really am a woman or just a ten year old boy. People are dicks. I'm independent and would just rather do everything in game myself. Let me have total control. I only like to play with friends but we're hardly ever on at the same time. Any time I play ME3MP these days I play solo.
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Post by Ieldra on Feb 5, 2019 14:23:40 GMT
An interesting thing to ask in this context is this: why do I like tabletop RPGing, which is a group activity, too, but not MP video games?
That would mean one important reason for my avoiding MP games is that they're too focused on elements that aren't world exploration and story as a rule, and tend to attract people who like things that way, which are the kind of people I wouldn't want in my tabletop RPG groups either.
Next reason: I don't like routine combat. In my tabletop RPG campaigns, a fight is a highlight, reflecting that an encounter where you risk your life must be very important and meaningful for the story. In a single-player game, I can avoid routine combat or cheat my way through it to get at the next interesting part. Most people who play MP aren't like that and our interests would clash.
Next reason: Lack of efficient communication. Communication over a headset is very lacking compared with sitting at the same table. It isn't comparable, really.
Next reason: Lack of like-minded people I know personally. People I know who I would like to play MP with - the right kind of MP, see above - do exist, but they're rare, and often *they* don't have an interest in the kind of games I like, or even video games in the first place. It doesn't help that I'm 56 and I'm more part of the digital world than most others of my generation.
Next reason: I, too, am an introvert. My last personality test placed me below the 5th percentile in extraversion (meaning that 95%+ of all people are more extroverted than I am). That doesn't mean I'm a misanthrope, but it does mean that the presence of people tends to get stressful more easily and after a shorter time. I do tabletop RPGing once per week for four hours, which I do enjoy, but which is also enough. In times where I don't work, it is not rare that I don't speak to anyone for several days. My smartphone sees more use as an alarm clock than a telephone. I don't dislike other people as a rule, but I like them over there, at a distance where we don't bother each other, and that applies even to close friends and family most of the time. If they don't respect my distance, THEN I come to dislike them.
With that said, here's one scenario where I would like more MP: (Modded) Minecraft, in a setup with a small group of well-known friends who share a passion for building cool stuff, sharing a whitelisted server in the understanding that most of the time, each of us will be building their own stuff, and we visit each others' bases occasionally to admire each others' designs, steal ideas and artistic inspirations, and hang out for a few minutes before we go our separate ways again.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Feb 5, 2019 14:30:25 GMT
Pretty much what everyone says above. I dabbled in a few mmos through the years, counting two PvP as well. One was straight up battle arena pvp with different modes, Unreal Tournament '99. The other survival PvP, Atlas. The latter is the most difficult, patience testing mmo I've ever encountered. If you're lucky, you will find that group of players who sync well and are patient. My guild is one but then the majority of us are older players, with a rare few who're in their 60s onwards. Then there're strangers who empathise, accommodate any lacks I have and encourage me to do what I'm best in. They're pretty rare so when you encountered them, treasure them. Generally, however, I'm for SP games as I like experiencing them at my own pace.
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Post by Ieldra on Feb 5, 2019 14:39:58 GMT
Fully aware of the hate this comment will get but fully in support of it anyway.... Online games are for unintelligent gamers. I do not agree. From what I know, certain kinds of co-operative MP require considerable intelligence, especially if it's competitive. What I see instead is "little appreciation for introspection and thoughtfulness", but impatience is hardly the same as stupidity.
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 5, 2019 15:08:54 GMT
Fully aware of the hate this comment will get but fully in support of it anyway.... Online games are for unintelligent gamers. I do not agree. From what I know, certain kinds of co-operative MP require considerable intelligence, especially if it's competitive. What I see instead is "little appreciation for introspection and thoughtfulness", but impatience is hardly the same as stupidity.
I don't think that was meant seriously.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Feb 5, 2019 15:13:43 GMT
Fully aware of the hate this comment will get but fully in support of it anyway.... Online games are for unintelligent gamers. lol I want to like this comment but it really isn't accurate. I will say online multiplayer does appeal to the lowest common denominator but it isn't solely for the lowest common denominator.
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Post by dstenning on Feb 5, 2019 15:17:57 GMT
require considerable intelligence Just my opinion, but if you happily pay £40+ for a game of which the only function is to loot and shoot, die and re-spawn over and over and over again with no obvious end game or back story and then continue to pay further monies so that you can do the same repetitive lot and shoot but with a different coloured gun or skin or ridiculous dance move (btw when did dancing characters become a thing) and find all that enjoyable then your of a mind that i consider juvenile and stupid. Im a bit fed up of Solo only gamers being made out to be recluse loser types who simply cant handle the concept of competitive multiplayer rather than just level headed individuals who quite frankly have zero patience for multi billion pound industries churning out unimaginative, lacklustre online games to their loyal fan base they'd built up with solo player games. ^^^ all just my opinion, of course.
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Post by degs29 on Feb 5, 2019 15:26:51 GMT
As I've grown older, I've become more and more drawn to narrative-driven games (hence why I follow Bioware so closely). A great narrative is incredibly hard to pull off in a multiplayer environment.
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Post by force58 on Feb 5, 2019 15:46:07 GMT
I've played a lot of games in my 60 years on Earth and by in large my preference is to play solo. Most of that is based on the type of games I play. I prefer games like Skyrim, Witcher, games with robust campaign's. Some games I'm interested in result's in my having to play co-op and/or multiplayer, but it's not my first choice. Other games like Destiny, Gears, Chromehounds (how many of you remember that gem?) I'll co-op play with my buddy I used to work with.
Games like Destiny have strikes and raids where you need 3-6 players to play the activity. We've done plenty of that and the amount of yelling and screaming and general acting like idiots results in our not wanting to participate like that anymore.
During the VIP and open demo I did play the story missions with 3 others and it was great. What I didn't like, and is the same in Destiny, was 1 or 2 of the players flying off immediately to the destination without taking in your surroundings. There's no time limit for these story missions so I don't understand it. Most all of the missions I'd get the message where I'm going to be teleported to the rest of the team. That part needs to be looked at.
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Post by officerdonnz on Feb 5, 2019 15:59:20 GMT
I should add that I do play both SW:TOR and ESO, but both can be for the most part be played solo, which Is why I enjoy them. You are not forced to group with anyone if you do not what to, unlike Anthem. Both ESO and SW:TOR do have content that requires a group but you do not need to play that content if you don't want to.
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Post by hawkspian on Feb 5, 2019 16:02:41 GMT
I like to pause my game. Also no one ever talks n Xbox multiplayer. They used to, now I haven't played a co op game of destiny, the division or anthem and had randoms talk since day one on all three games. So I stopped trying.
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Post by monkeylungs on Feb 5, 2019 16:06:18 GMT
I will be playing the entirety of Anthem's story set to Private. I would Freeplay in Private mode as well if the game would let me. Running Strongholds in a group is fine but honestly I would rather run them set to Private.
I was looking forward to co-op with my brother who lives a continent away, games are how we 'hang out', but he didn't even want to play more than 1 hour of the demo.
If Bioware really cared about solo players and the vast single player gaming fanbase they cultivated over the years, they would add an offline single player mode to the game. Let people choose how they want to play.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 5, 2019 16:48:32 GMT
Fully aware of the hate this comment will get but fully in support of it anyway.... Online games are for unintelligent gamers. No hate, but I'm curious as to how you can arrive at that conclusion. I played MP-only games for years and met some incredibly intelligent people (adult people, some with grandchildren). One guy I played with owned a construction company, was fucking brilliant, and was one of the best players of that particular game, held national ranking for a time.
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Post by dstenning on Feb 5, 2019 16:54:32 GMT
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 5, 2019 16:55:45 GMT
I too think the question was stated poorly. Why the presumption that enjoying SP is in some way a rejection of MP? I like both.
I enjoy solo play, which is not the same as SP, for the challenge.
I enjoy MP because playing with friends can be a different kind of fun from playing alone, without making any judgments about one being better than the other. That's like trying to compare the relative merits of going to a good party compared to achieving the life-long goal of swimming the Hellespont.
I enjoy SP for the immersion and, if I'm being honest, for the escape. Much like watching reruns of Babylon 5 when no one else is home.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 5, 2019 17:01:45 GMT
owned a construction company Yet spent all his hard earned monies on multi coloured gun attachments For the sake of argument, I'll take that as your actual reply to my question. So you equate MP with spending on MTX, which only an unintelligent person would do? Yeah, no, AFAIK that guy never spent a dime on mtx. Not that I accept your equation in the first place.
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 5, 2019 17:06:03 GMT
I like to play at my own speed I like to be immersed. I remember trying to play the Star Wars mmo, being surrounded by hundreds of others running around in the same role and companions Etc was not good. I appreciated how mass effect combat improved each game but I don’t play/focus on combat. Character/relationships/lore/choice/consequence matter to me far more than looting and shooting. My friends/family don’t play these games. I can see how that could be fun but I don’t find playing with rands fun even if I particularly wanted to shoot things in a group.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 5, 2019 17:07:30 GMT
People make problem, playing solo better.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Feb 5, 2019 17:08:59 GMT
I'm not one of the solo players (I do play pleny of SP games though) but I can easily understand why people don't like multiplayer gaming. No need to explain since I'd just rehash what others are saying here.
That said as a multiplayer gamer first, I do have my moments where I want to play SP only. I may be on assassin's Creed oddyessy, or playing Rome total war 2 campaigns, etc etc. I think one can have a good balance unless you just can't tolerate one or the other at all, I know people who can't stand SP only and others who're vice versa.
I'd probably be more into SP gaming if I also wasn't in the UEG community, you get plastered with game invites and messages joining big communities like that 👍 (but I find that as a positive as people are putting effort to get you involved as well as putting themselves put out there, it's a shit community if people don't invite you to stuff).
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Post by nanotm on Feb 5, 2019 17:26:29 GMT
hell I played mmo's for years before it became popular to treat them as f2p hackfests, back when you paid a subscription in order to play very few people cheated and those that did got banned thanks to 24/7 active GM teams, these days its more about monetising an item shop (those didnt exist back then) to leverage microtransactions instead of crafting something folks want to play and providing them with in game support (hell your lucky if theres even an active gm on the last dozen "open world" games I tried after the first few weeks of game play, most companies rely on easy to bypass anti cheat programs....and a token gm around the time a patch goes live (their better at moderating forums and twitter/facecrap than they are at actively dealing with in game problems, hell one guy bragged that so long as he spent $50 a month in the item store he wouldn't get banned no matter what he did, if every games company had a similar conviction to the stance taken in say korea where you do hard time in prison if your caught cheating in games then this would never have become a problem)
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Post by DragonRacer on Feb 5, 2019 18:11:45 GMT
For me, it is because I do not want to feel rushed through a story.
For that reason, it may seem odd that I'm getting Anthem, but I'm giving it a try and I do really enjoy the flight elements and verticality of combat in a larger world.
But ME3MP was a Holy Grail for me because there wasn't a unique story to feel rushed through. Each match was just agents performing the same random objectives the game could choose from, killing enemies, and surviving. Sure, you had the baked-in background of the Reaper War from the main game, but there were no NPCs in the matches to listen to.
That reason is also why there are some parts of Elder Scrolls Online that I have resigned myself to never enjoying. Group dungeons, for instance. They have stories and NPCs to talk to, but even if you are in a group of friends who have no problem waiting for you to follow the storyline and talk to the NPCs, there's still this rushed timer in the back of my head that I am holding other people up because I WANT TO ENJOY THE STORY. So, basically, I have no idea what any of those dungeon stories are because I just go with the herd running through completing as fast as possible to get the loot.
It's sad and SUCKS.
However, ESO also has a TON of other content that you are perfectly capable of soloing in a PvE world, and so that keeps me happy. I do the overworld quests, the DLC quests, the chapter expansion quests, and I can do them at my own pace. No internal countdown clock. So, since I can greatly enjoy about 80-85% of that MMO, I am okay accepting that I won't really interact with the 5% PvP area, the 5% group dungeon rushfest, or the 5% endgame YOLO BIS snobfest of trials.
I'm *hoping* Anthem will have enough story in Tarsis by myself to be compelling, to help me overlook being force-dragged ahead in missions. And I'm hoping the freeplay world will be consistently fun enough to tool around in to also make up for the above.
I am more of am ambivert - sometimes I'm recharged hanging out with other people and sometimes I am recharged by having alone time. I think I lean a bit more towards the introvert side as far as what recharges me, but I'm definitely not fully there because I never feel more alive than when at Gator games (sea of people) or medieval faires (smaller sea of people with lots of one-on-one interaction), so I'm definitely not struggling with that element. But I DO have to interact with people all day everyday at work - lots of them being folks I do well just to stomach the existence of, giving some of the "lovely" personalities we have oozing around there - so I don't always want to come home and hook into the matrix of other people AGAIN. It's NICE to unplug from society and dive into a solo fantasy experience, be it a book or watching TV or playing a SP game.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 5, 2019 18:21:47 GMT
Hm...
Playing with "friends" is a commitment that my life style won't permit. Plus, I like to play at my pace and not be dependent on others... that cramps my style.
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