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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 27, 2020 13:12:11 GMT
the Circle system in unnecessary but the only plausible (not possible, let's say plausible), existing, presently working alternative is tevinter. and if you are a non-mage, you really don't want tevinter. If you're a mage, why not. Mage slaves are a thing in Tevinter as well. So: not. Tevinter is not some mage Eden. There are other society what work without those prisons. It was mentioned as well. So: unnecessary... The fallacy here is that all mages want a Tevinter style state and if you let them have autonomy that is what will happen. Not all mages want to rule. According to the Mortalitasi in Tevinter Nights their group think the Magisters are crazy for wanting to be bothered with the mundane task of ruling when there are mundane people who can do that for them. The Mortalitasi have power in Nevarra but they have been around for some 700 years without ever actually taking control. They have succeeded in doing this despite the Chantry on their doorstep. I've never understood why this should be when mages elsewhere are routinely locked up but it does follow the original rule of the Chantry when Drakon set it up, that mages could be free to operate provided they didn't occupy positions of head of state. Many mages have only negligible power. In fact it may well be that this is true of the majority of them. The justification of the Chantry for locking these individuals up is the danger they pose to society because of the risk of possession. This is again false. Letting mages operate in their communities without fear of being hunted down is actually going to be less of a risk than herding them together in one place, where the magical energies are going to make the Veil thinner, and having families hide away their children rather than let them be properly taught how to prevent themselves being possessed. The reason mages routinely seem to fail and become possessed in the Circles is because they are often fearful, depressed and despairing of their situation, which encourages demons to hover around just waiting for the opportunity to pounce. There are plenty of non-mages throughout Thedas who abuse their power and aren't called to account for it. That is the problem. Both in Tevinter and Orlais the respective elites teach they rule by Divine Right and therefore are entitled to be in control. So it is not about whether someone is a mage or not but the justification they give for why they are in authority over others. It is no easier for a commoner to remove a corrupt Emperor/Empress or noble from power in Orlais than it is to remove a Magister in Tevinter. Have a fairer system of government, where the people in charge can be removed from power if they abuse it or do not properly do their duties and you will avoid the problem that commoners experience in both Orlais and Tevinter. Ferelden goes part way there with the Landsmeet and the fact that the nobles do not own the land, the Freeholders do, and to be a noble is to serve the Freeholders. If they feel you are not doing your duty by them, they can opt for someone else instead. They forgot this essential aspect in DAI as it wasn't up to the King or Teagan to tell us to get out of Crestwood but the Freeholders and since we were doing a far better job that the previous incumbent in keeping them safe, I'm pretty sure the Freeholders would have wanted us to stay. There are ways the system could be managed successfully with mages in the community but checks and balances that ensure they do not abuse their position. The writers of the game just haven't bothered with pursuing them.
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Post by ClaudiaSilvestri on Oct 22, 2020 5:33:39 GMT
Out of curiosity, if Merrill was part of Dragon Age: Inquisition, what choices do you all think she would support throughout the game?
Well of Sorrows...I think she'd approve of the Inquisitor drinking from the Well, mostly because imo. I think she'd feel irritated with Morrigan acting like she knows more about elven history then she does.
I feel like if she's there as a companion, then it would seem strange for her not to be an option for drinking from the Well also. I'm not really sure how I think that would go.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Oct 22, 2020 6:39:06 GMT
Well of Sorrows...I think she'd approve of the Inquisitor drinking from the Well, mostly because imo. I think she'd feel irritated with Morrigan acting like she knows more about elven history then she does.
I feel like if she's there as a companion, then it would seem strange for her not to be an option for drinking from the Well also. I'm not really sure how I think that would go.
That's...actually not such a bad idea. I mean, if she were a companion or even just an advisor she would make a good option for drinking from the Well itself. In this instance, I feel like she'd still approve of a Dalish Inquisitor drinking themselves, provided they share with her what they learn from the Well...the other races, she might approve or disapprove depending on several factors, such as approval
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Post by kalreegar on Oct 22, 2020 10:00:42 GMT
while the inquisitor and morrigan were discussing who was more worthy and who should do what, merrill would have throw herself into the Well, grainy eyes, dangling tongue, like a thirsty old drunk in front of cold beer
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 22, 2020 11:09:24 GMT
That's...actually not such a bad idea. I mean, if she were a companion or even just an advisor she would make a good option for drinking from the Well itself. I agree and I think I would trust Merrill more than I would Morrigan not to abuse that power. Of course, Merrill would think she was entitled to drink and would likely get very angry if you didn't let her. She would not be happy with Morrigan drinking from it or her alleged superior knowledge of elven lore. Mind you, I think Merrill would spot the fact that Morrigan was holding out on what she knew from the outset. I'm sure Solas did but as he was following his own agenda, he kept that knowledge to himself and threw a few caustic remarks in her direction. That whole Well decision was so contrived though. Surely anybody was better than the Inquisitor considering you have no idea what exactly the repercussion are going to be in drinking it? What if the spirits considered you unworthy and you simply died? What if the will of Mythal was contrary to our aims? What if the Inquisitor was no longer capable of closing rifts because of it? First run my Lavellen was very tempted to drink but her realisation of the implications of the "bound to Mythal" did give her pause, particularly when Cole said that would mean innumerable voices buzzing around in your head which you really didn't want. Her natural reaction was to suggest Solas should drink as he seemed to have so much knowledge of the Fade and spirits and clearly Abelas seemed to respect him. He declined though, which was another negative but it was plain enough that Morrigan would only ever reveal as much as she chose to, so once she drank you would have no control of the use made of the knowledge in it. I never understood why our response to Solas when he asks that question afterwards couldn't be to direct him to Morrigan if she had drunk from it. I really could have done with another option than simply Inquisitor or Morrigan.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Oct 22, 2020 11:39:46 GMT
I agree and I think I would trust Merrill more than I would Morrigan not to abuse that power. Of course, Merrill would think she was entitled to drink and would likely get very angry if you didn't let her. She would not be happy with Morrigan drinking from it or her alleged superior knowledge of elven lore. Mind you, I think Merrill would spot the fact that Morrigan was holding out on what she knew from the outset. I'm sure Solas did but as he was following his own agenda, he kept that knowledge to himself and threw a few caustic remarks in her direction.
That whole Well decision was so contrived though. Surely anybody was better than the Inquisitor considering you have no idea what exactly the repercussion are going to be in drinking it? What if the spirits considered you unworthy and you simply died? What if the will of Mythal was contrary to our aims? What if the Inquisitor was no longer capable of closing rifts because of it?
First run my Lavellen was very tempted to drink but her realisation of the implications of the "bound to Mythal" did give her pause, particularly when Cole said that would mean innumerable voices buzzing around in your head which you really didn't want. Her natural reaction was to suggest Solas should drink as he seemed to have so much knowledge of the Fade and spirits and clearly Abelas seemed to respect him. He declined though, which was another negative but it was plain enough that Morrigan would only ever reveal as much as she chose to, so once she drank you would have no control of the use made of the knowledge in it. I never understood why our response to Solas when he asks that question afterwards couldn't be to direct him to Morrigan if she had drunk from it. I really could have done with another option than simply Inquisitor or Morrigan. I had my recent Lavellan drink from the Well, mostly for the achievement I still needed, though until we know more about the repercussions of this choice, I think I'll refrain from letting my Quizzy drink from it in the future.
And come DA4, provided this has some sort of impact on the story...I'll likely just meta-game the choice depending on what works best for my canon world state
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Post by Buckeldemon on Nov 15, 2020 22:31:13 GMT
Found a Merrill tarot. TES Dunmer-styled.
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