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Post by Sah291 on Oct 24, 2016 23:09:32 GMT
Merrill was the inspiration for my Mage Lavellan. My non-mage was inspired by Lan Fan from Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood(funnily enough this fit even more come Trespasser when like Lan Fan the Inquisitor loses their left arm. Here's hoping this continues with the Inquisitor coming back in DA4 with an automail a prosthetic arm ). Judging from what we know of her and things like what Varric says in Trespasser, I don't think Merrill would have continued trying to reclaim the old ways after learning the truth about the Creators. I think she would have trusted Morrigan since she is the daughter of Asha'bellanar. And I definitely think she would not support Solas with his current plans. He is the devil od her religion if she didn't know the truth about the Evanuris, and she has friends among the Dwarves and Humans so wouldn't want to bring them harm. I'm the same. There are few things that ruin romances for me more than them getting paired with someone else, since then I feel if I romance them I am getting in the way of something. It's why I can't romance Tali or Garrus anymore. Luckilly Merrill and Carver never get together and really just seems like a more one-sided thing where Carver has a crush but isn't reciprocated. Plus I mostly play as a Rogue, so Carver isn't around in most playthroughs anyway. That's a cool image. I like how it is a reflection on the water, imitating a mirror. True, she does seem to trust Asha'bellanar, and I agree that trust would have extended to Morrigan most likely. I think she might have taken the Well herself, though, assuming she didn't know at the time about Morrigan being Mythal's daughter. Oh yes, Garrus/Tali, don't remind me. I think the PCs just suffer from third wheel syndrome. The companions can have all these cute little flirts and side conversations in party banter, while the PC is always silent and can't usually participate in those. And they aren't always good about setting flags for these things, if you are pursuing an LI. So it's game mechanics mostly. But little things like that make it feel like the PC is intruding. But, that's true, Merrill/Carver never really happen. I think especially after he becomes a Templar/Warden, it would be even less likely to happen then since they wouldn't be seeing each other all that often (or at all). Judging by that letter Hawke gets from "Peaches" it almost sounds like Hawke has a habit of (unknowingly?) stealing the attention of women Carver has crushes on?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 24, 2016 23:53:35 GMT
Merrill was the inspiration for my Mage Lavellan. My non-mage was inspired by Lan Fan from Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood(funnily enough this fit even more come Trespasser when like Lan Fan the Inquisitor loses their left arm. Here's hoping this continues with the Inquisitor coming back in DA4 with an automail a prosthetic arm ). Judging from what we know of her and things like what Varric says in Trespasser, I don't think Merrill would have continued trying to reclaim the old ways after learning the truth about the Creators. I think she would have trusted Morrigan since she is the daughter of Asha'bellanar. And I definitely think she would not support Solas with his current plans. He is the devil od her religion if she didn't know the truth about the Evanuris, and she has friends among the Dwarves and Humans so wouldn't want to bring them harm. I'm the same. There are few things that ruin romances for me more than them getting paired with someone else, since then I feel if I romance them I am getting in the way of something. It's why I can't romance Tali or Garrus anymore. Luckilly Merrill and Carver never get together and really just seems like a more one-sided thing where Carver has a crush but isn't reciprocated. Plus I mostly play as a Rogue, so Carver isn't around in most playthroughs anyway. That's a cool image. I like how it is a reflection on the water, imitating a mirror. True, she does seem to trust Asha'bellanar, and I agree that trust would have extended to Morrigan most likely. I think she might have taken the Well herself, though, assuming she didn't know at the time about Morrigan being Mythal's daughter. Oh yes, Garrus/Tali, don't remind me. I think the PCs just suffer from third wheel syndrome. The companions can have all these cute little flirts and side conversations in party banter, while the PC is always silent and can't usually participate in those. And they aren't always good about setting flags for these things, if you are pursuing an LI. So it's game mechanics mostly. But little things like that make it feel like the PC is intruding. But, that's true, Merrill/Carver never really happen. I think especially after he becomes a Templar/Warden, it would be even less likely to happen then since they wouldn't be seeing each other all that often (or at all). Judging by that letter Hawke gets from "Peaches" it almost sounds like Hawke has a habit of (unknowingly?) stealing the attention of women Carver has crushes on? Yeah, Merrill probably would have drunk from the Well, though I think she may be more reluctant about it after all that has happened with the Eluvian in DA2 and with Arebas' warnings. I think Morrigan would be more approving though(not saying she would be happy, just less unhappy) since at least Merrill would be able to understand the Well more than the Inquisitor. And it would be ironic considering Merrill's vallaslin is Mythal's and she would now be a servant of Mythal/Asha'Bellanar. Agreed. those extra things make the two NPCs seem like a perfect couple who found happiness so that knowledge makes romancing one feel bad. Though maybe in future games the protagonist will have those moments, since Bioware has started creating interactive banter. Yep. This is really apparent if you have Carver and Merrill along in the Legacy DLC. Plus it seems you are right, since also in the Legacy DLC Hawke and Carver have a banter showing that if you are in a romance with Merrill.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Oct 26, 2016 4:03:48 GMT
Anyway. Some more Merrill art. That looks great, though seeing such a dark side of Merrill is startling! Here's some more fan art: Dakkun39
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 27, 2016 17:52:06 GMT
Here's a funny tweet from a Merrill bot:
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Oct 27, 2016 17:57:56 GMT
Here's a funny tweet from a Merrill bot: xD haha, oh Merrill!
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Post by Sah291 on Oct 27, 2016 18:00:25 GMT
^ Merrill, always seeing the good in everything...
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Post by sgtsteel91 on Nov 1, 2016 15:15:41 GMT
Anyone know any good fics with Garrett (or m!Hawke) x Merrill?
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Post by phoray on Nov 5, 2016 19:04:27 GMT
Is Merrill better with a female or male Hawke? Answers can be pure opinion.
Does she have different lines based on Hawke's gender (other than the line about elf babies?)
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Post by Sah291 on Nov 8, 2016 14:44:14 GMT
phoray, I think it's as good with either gender. Although I don't really like the rivalry with an aggro Hawke, it just feels...wrong, overbearing, I dunno. I prefer to be nice to her and friend her. Anyways. Has anyone played Dreamfall? I'm in the middle of playing Chapters right now, and Nick Boulton is the voice the actor for one of the main PCs... Kian's interactions with Enu are totally giving me Hawke/Merrill flashbacks.
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Post by phoray on Nov 8, 2016 15:40:21 GMT
phoray , I think it's as good with either gender. Although I don't really like the rivalry with an aggro Hawke, it just feels...wrong, overbearing, I dunno. I prefer to be nice to her and friend her. I once rivaled her on the non romantic path. It just felt like I was verbally abusing her. So, I only see myself friend mancing her.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Nov 8, 2016 18:23:28 GMT
I feel guilty for being mean to her too, but her beliefs are wrong in my thoughts, what I always do is do the forbidden knowledge quest, destroying the books (+60 rivalry), it is something I guess
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Post by phoray on Nov 8, 2016 21:04:56 GMT
best part was the rolling play
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Post by phoray on Nov 9, 2016 3:03:31 GMT
I have decided on Female Radical Rebel Mage Hawke for friendmancing Merril. The reason being that all my Hawkes end up having kids with their LIs in my mind, and I don't like alienating Merril even further from her Dalish connections by saddling her with human looking children. Having babies with Fenris isn't the same to me, because he's essentially a city elf from Tevinter.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 16, 2016 8:24:09 GMT
Merrill is a stupid girl. She nearly jeopardizes her tribe because of her idiocy of using blood magic, and frolicking with demons that costs the keeper's life and hers. I understand that she wants to rebuild her people's history and culture and the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but she knew that consorting with demons is a terrible idea but she did it anyway.
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Post by Tarkus on Nov 17, 2016 21:28:05 GMT
Merrill is my favorite romance from DA2, I prefer her with Lady Hawke because I really liked her line for romancing Lady Hawke. Just wish Merrill kept her normal elven robe when romanced, instead of getting that white elven armor. Merrill is a stupid girl. She nearly jeopardizes her tribe because of her idiocy of using blood magic, and frolicking with demons that costs the keeper's life and hers. I understand that she wants to rebuild her people's history and culture and the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but she knew that consorting with demons is a terrible idea but she did it anyway. The only real idiot is Keeper Marethari for: believing, freeing, and becoming possessed by the demon, as well as telling lies to the entire Clan about Merrill despite wanting Merrill to rejoin them
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Post by Catilina on Nov 18, 2016 4:03:34 GMT
Merrill is a stupid girl. She nearly jeopardizes her tribe because of her idiocy of using blood magic, and frolicking with demons that costs the keeper's life and hers. I understand that she wants to rebuild her people's history and culture and the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but she knew that consorting with demons is a terrible idea but she did it anyway. No, Merrill isn't stupid, Marethari did it from her own free will, and left her clan alone, as Fenarel said: she loved Merrill better than the clan. As Keeper she don't did the right.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 18, 2016 5:06:50 GMT
Merrill is my favorite romance from DA2, I prefer her with Lady Hawke because I really liked her line for romancing Lady Hawke. Just wish Merrill kept her normal elven robe when romanced, instead of getting that white elven armor. Merrill is a stupid girl. She nearly jeopardizes her tribe because of her idiocy of using blood magic, and frolicking with demons that costs the keeper's life and hers. I understand that she wants to rebuild her people's history and culture and the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but she knew that consorting with demons is a terrible idea but she did it anyway. The only real idiot is Keeper Marethari for: believing, freeing, and becoming possessed by the demon, as well as telling lies to the entire Clan about Merrill despite wanting Merrill to rejoin them What the keeper did she did it out of love for Merrill so she sacrificed herself to be possessed by that demon to save her. And Merrill payed the price for her stupidity by having the entire clan vilifying her because of it.
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Post by thats1evildude on Nov 18, 2016 5:37:14 GMT
I understand that she wants to rebuild her people's history and culture and the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but she knew that consorting with demons is a terrible idea but she did it anyway. Merrill's mistake was believing she could pay the price for dealing with demons alone; she didn't count on the Keeper choosing to pay the price for her. It was arrogant and naive, but the Keeper's decision to intervene was even more foolish. She should have put the welfare of her clan first. Even if you don't slaughter them all, the Sabrae clan is likely finished.
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Post by Tarkus on Nov 18, 2016 6:16:34 GMT
Merrill is my favorite romance from DA2, I prefer her with Lady Hawke because I really liked her line for romancing Lady Hawke. Just wish Merrill kept her normal elven robe when romanced, instead of getting that white elven armor. The only real idiot is Keeper Marethari for: believing, freeing, and becoming possessed by the demon, as well as telling lies to the entire Clan about Merrill despite wanting Merrill to rejoin them What the keeper did she did it out of love for Merrill so she sacrificed herself to be possessed by that demon to save her. And Merrill payed the price for her stupidity by having the entire clan vilifying her because of it. Love blinded the Keeper enough for her to believe Audacity's, very likely, lie about being released through the Eluvian Merrill was rebuilding. The Clan wouldn't have vilified Merrill if Marethari didn't lie and say that Merrill was bringing back the Blight, this is especially dumb since Marethari wanted Merrill back as the Clan's first.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 18, 2016 7:17:54 GMT
I understand that she wants to rebuild her people's history and culture and the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but she knew that consorting with demons is a terrible idea but she did it anyway. Merrill's mistake was believing she could pay the price for dealing with demons alone; she didn't count on the Keeper choosing to pay the price for her. It was arrogant and naive, but the Keeper's decision to intervene was even more foolish. She should have put the welfare of her clan first. Even if you don't slaughter them all, the Sabrae clan is likely finished. The keeper thought she was protecting her and she knew that Merrill was naive and foolish but she did this out of love even she had to die for her. That is some deep love.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 18, 2016 7:54:32 GMT
Merrill is a stupid girl. She nearly jeopardizes her tribe because of her idiocy of using blood magic, and frolicking with demons that costs the keeper's life and hers. I understand that she wants to rebuild her people's history and culture and the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but she knew that consorting with demons is a terrible idea but she did it anyway. Merrill wasn't stupid. Naive sure, but not stupid. The fact she takes every precaution when dealing with Audacity, even bringing Hawke with her to kill her in case something goes wrong, shows she was not stupid. The one that was stupid in this situation as others pointed out was Marathari.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 18, 2016 7:56:58 GMT
Merrill is my favorite romance from DA2, I prefer her with Lady Hawke because I really liked her line for romancing Lady Hawke. Just wish Merrill kept her normal elven robe when romanced, instead of getting that white elven armor. I liked Merrill's romance armor, but yeah there should have been an option for players to choose the outfit for the companions in DA2 since they couldn't be given any other outfits.
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Post by thats1evildude on Nov 18, 2016 10:09:03 GMT
Merrill's mistake was believing she could pay the price for dealing with demons alone; she didn't count on the Keeper choosing to pay the price for her. It was arrogant and naive, but the Keeper's decision to intervene was even more foolish. She should have put the welfare of her clan first. Even if you don't slaughter them all, the Sabrae clan is likely finished. The keeper thought she was protecting her and she knew that Merrill was naive and foolish but she did this out of love even she had to die for her. That is some deep love. I don't doubt Keeper Marethari loved Merrill like a daughter. But her actions were extremely questionable. I like the white armour since it shows off more of Merrill's figure.
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Post by runespoor on Dec 10, 2016 0:56:45 GMT
Merrill is a stupid girl. She nearly jeopardizes her tribe because of her idiocy of using blood magic, and frolicking with demons that costs the keeper's life and hers. I understand that she wants to rebuild her people's history and culture and the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but she knew that consorting with demons is a terrible idea but she did it anyway. Here's the thing, though: none of this happens. Merrill takes advice from one demon; does everything in her power to minimize her interactions with said demon; when she's at her wits' end, and only then - six years after she last took advice from the demon - she decides to face the demon, and talks Hawke into being there to cut her down if she becomes possessed. Merrill is perfectly aware and has been as long as Hawke has known hers that there's no such thing as a good spirit. She's not naive, she's remarkably cautious. There is absolutely no "consorting" that I can see, I'd be very curious to hear your sources. As for Marethari's death... Nope, still not Merrill's fault that Marethari got possessed, no more than it is Leandra's fault for her parents leaving everything to her and nothing to Gamlen, no more than Dorian is to blame for his father's decision, no more than Felix is to blame for Gereon Alexius'. Marethari is an adult, she made her own choices. Marethari also acts in a borderline abusive manner toward Merrill throughout the game: she alienates the clan from her (see: Pol's reaction to Merrill and Marethari's confirmation that she had to warn the clan away from Merrill. From what? What did Merrill do while she was away from the clan that the clan didn't already know? Merrill had akready been exiled for chosing to use blood magic. What more needed warning against, exactly?), breaks a solemn oath she made to Merrill (see: promising Merrill she'll get the arulin'holm if she kills the varterral, then promply turning around and giving it to Hawke instead). Not to mention Marethari's own pride endangers the whole clan, of course. When Merrill agrees to leave the clan, it's presented as Marethari protecting the clan from a maleficar, and sure, that's reasonable. But keeping the clan in the same place for six years wasn't endangering the clan? I refer you to the Templars that can torture a hunter in Act 2, and who can attack part of the clan; I refer you to Ineria, in Act 3, muttering to herself "the clan should never have come to Sundermount"; to Master Ilen, in Act 3, who tells his apprentice that whether the clan is staying or leaving, Master Ilen and his apprentice are leaving anyway; I refer you to Merrill's own anger at seeing the clan still there and calling Marethari out on it, and Marethari's refusal to answer with more than "when my business here is done". I don't doubt Marethari loves Merrill, or rather her idea of what Merrill should be. Except her love is controlling, manipulative, and ends up with getting Merrill to slay her. I'm willing to keep the blame for the rest of the clan dying on their own heads by the same token, though honestly Marethari should have got the clan away a long time ago. As for the eluvian itself? Marethari sure repeats a lot that the thing is "cursed", "evil", and "shouldn't exist in our world", but any further proof, detail, or explanation sure isn't forthcoming. (Merrill's obsession with the eluvian is indeed self-destructive, but that has little to do with Merrill's blood magic, and is no proof at all that the mirror is "cursed", especially in a game that boasts actually "cursed"/"evil" objects, i.e. red lyrium.)
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