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Post by phoray on Oct 19, 2017 2:48:09 GMT
The above was not originally a connection I had made. I found it while trying to figure out why people loved Zevran because I was feeling out of sorts in his romance. And it locked in for me pretty hard core how...hurt and lost Zevran was.
He is also the only Love Interest to stay at the Warden's side no matter what. He never leaves, and he goes with her/him to look for the Cure to the Calling.
And all of that is why Zevran is in my top 4 Bioware Romances.
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Post by phoray on Oct 19, 2017 2:49:02 GMT
I've just been re-playing Origins and something I didn't pick up on before concerning Zevran and his nightmare in the Fade: his torturers were Dalish. When he talks about the Dalish he doesn't speak as though they gave him a hard time, just that the life wasn't for him. The torture was part of his Crow training and I am not aware they use people they have not trained up themselves and these were Dalish adults as they had vallaslin. So why would he specifically see his torturers as Dalish? I don't think that was a true representation. His mother was Dalish. He wanted to be one, and the decision not to stay with the Dalish was never truly explained. But I'm sure whatever happened, it caused emotional hurt.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Oct 19, 2017 3:37:23 GMT
The above was not originally a connection I had made. I found it while trying to figure out why people loved Zevran because I was feeling out of sorts in his romance. And it locked in for me pretty hard core how...hurt and lost Zevran was. He is also the only Love Interest to stay at the Warden's side no matter what. He never leaves, and he goes with her/him to look for the Cure to the Calling. And all of that is why Zevran is in my top 4 Bioware Romances. I can never NOT romance Zevran. He was really fleshed out, if you listen to everything he says.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 19, 2017 12:33:12 GMT
Yes, that is what made me ask the question because I thought I had been rather dense before not to pick up on that. Mind you I usually do not have Zevran with me because I go there before he joins or prefer having Leliana because she is better at picking locks. I suppose I should have realised how meaningful the gloves were for him flagged up his attachment to the Dalish was rather greater than he maintained. He does say that his romantic idea of what they represented for him was not matched by reality and I must say I had assumed it was because it was the squalor that didn't appeal but may be they did give him a hard time and made him feel he wasn't good enough. So in his nightmare he is trying to prove his worth by the same means he had to for the Crows.
The revelation about his conversation about the boots hadn't struck me either. Of course it was because he hoped he wouldn't be coming back because he wanted to die. Duh!
Isn't it amazing how you can get a whole new insight after so many times of playing the game?
Zevran is one of my favourite romances too. In fact, since I'm intending replaying it this run, I think it may actually prove to be my favourite. There are less things that I find objectionable in his views than there are with Fenris (mage hate) or Dorian (slavery apologist). It is just so much more pleasant wandering around with Zevran chatting to other people. He is never nasty and can always be guaranteed to lift the mood.
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Post by TheHeroOfFerelden on Nov 17, 2017 0:17:03 GMT
The only thing is don't like about Zevran is the fact he has imbued me with his "Again?I'm game."phrase ,which seems to resurface to my mind at totally random times...
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 13, 2017 14:30:43 GMT
Moment of appreciation for Zevran threatening Anora on the Warden's behalf.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 15, 2017 5:16:49 GMT
Hullo I have returned. Fortunately there can never be too much Zevran spam. 😎 by shutterbones, who deleted their tumblr I guess?
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Post by TheHeroOfFerelden on Dec 15, 2017 16:01:33 GMT
Just realized Zevran's VA(Jon Curry)is also the american voice of the Inquisitor....Damn!
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 15, 2017 18:17:31 GMT
Just realized Zevran's VA(Jon Curry)is also the american voice of the Inquisitor....Damn! He's very talented! I kind of want to make a male Lavellan rogue assassin with Jon Curry's voice and pretend he's Zevran in disguise. He'll ride the Bull, obviously. And Dorian. And Josephine.
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Post by davesin on Dec 16, 2017 7:16:32 GMT
Just realized Zevran's VA(Jon Curry)is also the american voice of the Inquisitor....Damn! He's very talented! I kind of want to make a male Lavellan rogue assassin with Jon Curry's voice and pretend he's Zevran in disguise. He'll ride the Bull, obviously. And Dorian. And Josephine. Ah, yes, fuck-em-all playthrough. I managed to do this in Origins and I heard it's also possible in DA2 (well, expect for Sebastian, obviously). But how many people can you actually sleep with in Inquisition before being forced to be locked with one character? I mean, doesn't sex in some cases trigger the full-romance?
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 16, 2017 8:46:36 GMT
He's very talented! I kind of want to make a male Lavellan rogue assassin with Jon Curry's voice and pretend he's Zevran in disguise. He'll ride the Bull, obviously. And Dorian. And Josephine. Ah, yes, fuck-em-all playthrough. I managed to do this in Origins and I heard it's also possible in DA2 (well, expect for Sebastian, obviously). But how many people can you actually sleep with in Inquisition before being forced to be locked with one character? I mean, doesn't sex in some cases trigger the full-romance? This person managed to romance Solas, Josie, Bull, Sera, and Cullen.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 16, 2017 10:08:30 GMT
Ah, yes, fuck-em-all playthrough. I managed to do this in Origins and I heard it's also possible in DA2 (well, expect for Sebastian, obviously). But how many people can you actually sleep with in Inquisition before being forced to be locked with one character? I mean, doesn't sex in some cases trigger the full-romance? This person managed to romance Solas, Josie, Bull, Sera, and Cullen. Impressive!
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Post by phoray on Dec 16, 2017 16:42:59 GMT
But how many people can you actually sleep with in Inquisition before being forced to be locked with one character? 4 for man : Iron Bull, Cassandra, Dorian, then Josephine (although you head canon that sex with the last one) 3 for a woman: Iron Bull, Blackwall, then Cullen/Jose
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Post by phoray on Dec 16, 2017 16:46:26 GMT
This person managed to romance Solas, Josie, Bull, Sera, and Cullen. I researched this and then tried it out myself. She must have taken advantage of a bug, because it's impossible now. When I tried to intentionally date Solas And Cullen at the same time, Cullen in the Chess Scene would decline further time together due to my involvement with Solas (after kissing him in the Fade). And when I reloaded so I hadn't kissed Solas in the Fade, did the Chess Scene, and asked to spend time with Cullen, Cullen agreed. But then the kiss option disappeared in the Fade Scene. So the bug has been fixed. The only way to do multi romance is this: 4 for man : Iron Bull, Cassandra, Dorian, then Josephine (although you head canon that sex with the last one) Requires moderate to heavy metagaming. 3 for a woman: Iron Bull, Blackwall, then Cullen/Jose, requires mild metagaming OR a Multiromance mod. Edti Add: Looking at her How To list, I suppose it's possible. I will have to investigate for myself but I know for sure my 4 for a man, 3 for a woman can happen. Edit Add x 2: Looking even more through it, I think saying the Fade Kiss with Solas as romancing him is a bit cheating. My list of 4 for a man has 3 actual sex scenes, and 3 sex scenes for the woman (if Cullen, or 2 if you end with Jose) after you subtract the kissing only from Jose's involvement. So, if anything, her how to guide just further proves me 3 maximum sex scenes, either gender. "Bang em all" isn't "kiss them all", at least when I was working on my guide. Also, she had to metagame super hard. If you don't side templars or conscript mages, Iron Bull isn't open to flirting much. But if you do that, SOLAS isn't going to the Fade with you either? Hmmmm.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 16, 2017 16:58:28 GMT
phoray I have no experience with it myself, so either of you could be right. We all know I'm certified waifu trash, could never leave my hunny. 😎
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Post by phoray on Dec 16, 2017 17:03:38 GMT
phoray I have no experience with it myself, so either of you could be right. We all know I'm certified waifu trash, could never leave my hunny. 😎 Edit Add x 2: Looking even more through it, I think saying the Fade Kiss with Solas as romancing him is a bit cheating. My list of 4 for a man has 3 actual sex scenes, and 3 sex scenes for the woman (if Cullen, or 2 if you end with Jose) after you subtract the kissing only from Jose's involvement. So, if anything, her how to guide just further proves me 3 maximum sex scenes, either gender. "Bang em all" isn't "kiss them all", at least when I was working on my guide. Also, she had to metagame super hard. If you don't side templars or conscript mages, Iron Bull isn't open to flirting much. But if you do that, SOLAS isn't going to the Fade with you either? Hmmmm. I'm actually planning a Bang them All PT twice for both Genders eventually. But I've already proven a IB->Blackwall-> Cullen bang a thon, so I guess I'll try this writers' plot for my next bang them all female.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 16, 2017 17:29:59 GMT
phoray I have no experience with it myself, so either of you could be right. We all know I'm certified waifu trash, could never leave my hunny. 😎 Edit Add x 2: Looking even more through it, I think saying the Fade Kiss with Solas as romancing him is a bit cheating. My list of 4 for a man has 3 actual sex scenes, and 3 sex scenes for the woman (if Cullen, or 2 if you end with Jose) after you subtract the kissing only from Jose's involvement. So, if anything, her how to guide just further proves me 3 maximum sex scenes, either gender. "Bang em all" isn't "kiss them all", at least when I was working on my guide. Also, she had to metagame super hard. If you don't side templars or conscript mages, Iron Bull isn't open to flirting much. But if you do that, SOLAS isn't going to the Fade with you either? Hmmmm. I'm actually planning a Bang them All PT twice for both Genders eventually. But I've already proven a IB->Blackwall-> Cullen bang a thon, so I guess I'll try this writers' plot for my next bang them all female. I don't understand this. I never sided with the Templars and never conscripted the mages, but Bull was very open to much flirting and more. In fact, there's a cute answer, when he expressed his worries, Inquisitor can assure him, s/he will protect him from the magic. (Perhaps I misunderstood you.)
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Post by phoray on Dec 16, 2017 17:40:14 GMT
..... If you don't side templars or conscript mages, Iron Bull isn't open to flirting much. But if you do that, SOLAS isn't going to the Fade with you either? Hmmmm. I don't understand this. I never sided with the Templars and never conscripted the mages, but Bull was very open to much flirting and more. In fact, there's a cute answer, when he expressed his worries, Inquisitor can assure him, s/he will protect him from the magic. (Perhaps I misunderstood you.) Iron Bull is always first on my Bang List in a Bang a thon PT, because the other characters won't flirt back with the PC properly (declinations or soft lock ins). With that in mind, Iron Bull has to be willing to go dragon hunting with PC immediately upon arriving at Skyhold or it seriously makes banging others a hardship, where you avoid characters for long periods of time that don't make sense. When I had my bang a thon PT, I conscripted mages. Iron Bull approved a lot, we went dragon hunting, I banged him. I broke it off with him, I talked to Blackwall. Blackwall immediately soft locks on the ramparts if you flirt, so he literally had to stand outside waiting for me to talk to him while I went dragon hunting, drinking, saving the chargers, and banging IRon Bull. That delay is already a little weird without me having to wine and dine IB to get him to give me his Romance quests in the first place. If you conscript Templars or Side Mages, there is a disapproval drop you have to climb over. I know this because I gave another player Bang IB and move on Advice and she had to work real hard to get IB to bang her PC because she'd sided Mages. It made the game really weird to her, it wasn't smooth, because she had to do a lot of menial approval gathering with him to accomplish it. So I'm not saying these decisions make IB impossible to romance, I'm saing these decisions make it hard to do a BANG A THON play throuhg.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 16, 2017 17:46:07 GMT
I don't understand this. I never sided with the Templars and never conscripted the mages, but Bull was very open to much flirting and more. In fact, there's a cute answer, when he expressed his worries, Inquisitor can assure him, s/he will protect him from the magic. (Perhaps I misunderstood you.) Iron Bull is always first on my Bang List in a Bang a thon PT, because the other characters won't flirt back with the PC properly (declinations or soft lock ins). With that in mind, Iron Bull has to be willing to go dragon hunting with PC immediately upon arriving at Skyhold or it seriously makes banging others a hardship, where you avoid characters for long periods of time that don't make sense. When I had my bang a thon PT, I conscripted mages. Iron Bull approved a lot, we went dragon hunting, I banged him. I broke it off with him, I talked to Blackwall. Blackwall immediately soft locks on the ramparts if you flirt, so he literally had to stand outside waiting for me to talk to him while I went dragon hunting, drinking, saving the chargers, and banging IRon Bull. That delay is already a little weird without me having to wine and dine IB to get him to give me his Romance quests in the first place. If you conscript Templars or Side Mages, there is a disapproval drop you have to climb over. I know this because I gave another player Bang IB and move on Advice and she had to work real hard to get IB to bang her PC because she'd sided Mages. It made the game really weird to her, it wasn't smooth, because she had to do a lot of menial approval gathering with him to accomplish it. So I'm not saying these decisions make IB impossible to romance, I'm saing these decisions make it hard to do a BANG A THON play throuhg. Ah, I see. Okay. It's happened relatively soon with Issaar, because on low level I brought him to a dragon hunt and finished the race on the farm.
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Post by phoray on Dec 16, 2017 17:52:22 GMT
Okay. It's happened relatively soon with Issaar, because on low level I brought him to a dragon hunt and finished the race on the farm Usually the weakest you can be and beat a dragon is Lvl 10 prior to Skyhold? Honestly, All I have to go on is the player that sided mages found it difficult to get his side quests. You say different. I am neither of you. What I know, is I conscripted Mages, and IB was easy peazy, banged him and moved on.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 16, 2017 18:04:33 GMT
Okay. It's happened relatively soon with Issaar, because on low level I brought him to a dragon hunt and finished the race on the farm Usually the weakest you can be and beat a dragon is Lvl 10 prior to Skyhold? Honestly, All I have to go on is the player that sided mages found it difficult to get his side quests. You say different. I am neither of you. What I know, is I conscripted Mages, and IB was easy peazy, banged him and moved on. Issaar was lvl11, the dragon was 12. of course, it's harder a bit probably, but I don't think it's impossible. Metaknowledge can be important. The 11th lvl achievable even before Skyhold, only a bit boring, I suppose. I'm not arguing with you, I just misunderstood you. And I didn't do more than one character in the Inquisition and only once did do Fenris and Anders in same PT in DA2.
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Post by phoray on Dec 16, 2017 18:07:43 GMT
only once did do Fenris and Anders in same PT in DA2... Dirty boy. That love triangle is pretty damn delicious though, so don't fault you!
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Post by Catilina on Dec 16, 2017 18:13:58 GMT
only once did do Fenris and Anders in same PT in DA2... Dirty boy. That love triangle is pretty damn delicious though, so don't fault you! Yes, it's hard to resist.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 21, 2017 4:21:15 GMT
Some Zevran and Brosca lovin'. source
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