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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 23:50:11 GMT
To carry all that heavy weaponry, What heavy weaponry are you talking about? Things like Thanix cannons on the ship... that single gun took up nearly 1/3 of the length of Normandy on the crew deck; and Tempest is a much smaller ship. Since Tempest was going to be unpacked and ready until after Alec Ryder arrived, how many were you wanting to put on Nexus for you to say it could defend itself of every sort of possible alien threat that you imagine it should have encountered along the way to Andromeda. How many should be present on each ark to defend them. How many crates of food and water get left on the dock as a result? How many fewer pods would each ship be able to hold? Conversely, how much larger and more expensive would each ship have to be to accommodate what you envision as enough fire power to make you feel powerful and intimidating?
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Post by themikefest on Mar 12, 2020 0:34:56 GMT
What heavy weaponry are you talking about? Things like Thanix cannons on the ship... that single gun took up nearly 1/3 of the length of Normandy on the crew deck; and Tempest is a much smaller ship. Since Tempest was going to be unpacked and ready until after Alec Ryder arrived, how many were you wanting to put on Nexus for you to say it could defend itself of every sort of possible alien threat that you imagine it should have encountered along the way to Andromeda. How many should be present on each ark to defend them. How many crates of food and water get left on the dock as a result? How many fewer pods would each ship be able to hold? Conversely, how much larger and more expensive would each ship have to be to accommodate what you envision as enough fire power to make you feel powerful and intimidating? Who is asking for those thannix cannons?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 2:37:24 GMT
Things like Thanix cannons on the ship... that single gun took up nearly 1/3 of the length of Normandy on the crew deck; and Tempest is a much smaller ship. Since Tempest was going to be unpacked and ready until after Alec Ryder arrived, how many were you wanting to put on Nexus for you to say it could defend itself of every sort of possible alien threat that you imagine it should have encountered along the way to Andromeda. How many should be present on each ark to defend them. How many crates of food and water get left on the dock as a result? How many fewer pods would each ship be able to hold? Conversely, how much larger and more expensive would each ship have to be to accommodate what you envision as enough fire power to make you feel powerful and intimidating? Who is asking for those thannix cannons? Shrug... I guess you're OK with Nexus and Tempest not having weapons after all then.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 12, 2020 3:19:35 GMT
Shrug... I guess you're OK with Nexus and Tempest not having weapons after all then. Shrug? Whatever. If the Hyperion came under fire, how long would it take for the ship to turn to face the target before firing? Most likely the Hyperion would be destroyed, if not disabled. So having a cannon or whatever other heavy weapon you want won't work. You want something that will be able to give the ship enough time to get to ftl before taking anymore damage/fire. In all my posts I've been saying defenses, defense systems especially automated defensive systems. Look at what the Navy uses on it ships. The Hyperion and other ships could have something like that. Look it up on google to get more answers. You will disagree, but that's your problem.
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Post by Serza on Mar 12, 2020 9:05:48 GMT
Shrug... I guess you're OK with Nexus and Tempest not having weapons after all then. Shrug? Whatever. If the Hyperion came under fire, how long would it take for the ship to turn to face the target before firing? Most likely the Hyperion would be destroyed, if not disabled. So having a cannon or whatever other heavy weapon you want won't work. You want something that will be able to give the ship enough time to get to ftl before taking anymore damage/fire. In all my posts I've been saying defenses, defense systems especially automated defensive systems. Look at what the Navy uses on it ships. The Hyperion and other ships could have something like that. Look it up on google to get more answers. You will disagree, but that's your problem.
The GARDIAN laser is actually the exact same concept as the CWIS.
Pair that up with disruptor torpedo launchers (supposedly these are small enough to fit on even the fighter craft which are small even compared to the SR-1, which I think is still the smallest protagonist ship in the entire series, Milky Way or Andromeda) and I think you have armament just about lethal enough to defend yourself. Still would rather have a substantial GARDIAN battery before mounting disruptor torpedoes onto anything though.
You have a point, but I'm not sure, does it state anywhere that the Nexus or the Arks don't even have GARDIAN? I'm honestly not sure if I ever saw an entry claiming that they are mounted on civilian ships, but surely such an endeavor would warrant batteries for self-defence.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 12, 2020 13:23:42 GMT
The concept of arming the arks is kind of troublesome for the same reason it would be to arm a hospital ship. What's the point of equipping the ship for a space battle if the people aboard will probably just die anyway?
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 12, 2020 14:51:06 GMT
The concept of arming the arks is kind of troublesome for the same reason it would be to arm a hospital ship. What's the point of equipping the ship for a space battle if the people aboard will probably just die anyway? Actually you don't arm a hospital ship because it makes it a target and since blowing up hospitals and hospital ships is considered a war crime it seems needless. People still blow them up as we have seen but there not supposed to
Plus your not supposed to arm a hospital ship because it is supposed to be just a place for non combatants. By international law armies are not supposed to put alot of weapons or anything related to war besides wounded soldiers,hospital workers,and guards for thugs and such. Same reason it is against the law to have a POW camp share a space with things like weapons research and building or storing weapons. Again people destroy hospitals all the time but their not supposed too.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 12, 2020 16:41:09 GMT
The concept of arming the arks is kind of troublesome for the same reason it would be to arm a hospital ship. What's the point of equipping the ship for a space battle if the people aboard will probably just die anyway? Actually you don't arm a hospital ship because it makes it a target and since blowing up hospitals and hospital ships is considered a war crime it seems needless. People still blow them up as we have seen but there not supposed to
Plus your not supposed to arm a hospital ship because it is supposed to be just a place for non combatants. By international law armies are not supposed to put alot of weapons or anything related to war besides wounded soldiers,hospital workers,and guards for thugs and such. Same reason it is against the law to have a POW camp share a space with things like weapons research and building or storing weapons. Again people destroy hospitals all the time but their not supposed too.
This is true, but the legality is no longer applicable when talking about a totally new setting with no government that can apply these rules, or have factions that would ever concern themselves with it. The problem is simply that the Ark would always be in an exceptionally poor position to stand its ground in a protracted space battle. Throwing fighters at something then booking would be the only viable tactic.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 12, 2020 17:21:38 GMT
The GARDIAN laser is actually the exact same concept as the CWIS. That would work as well. They would be used as a last line of defense. The only downside is they build up heat. I would expect the Hyperion to have entered ftl before that were to happen. They went to Andromeda unprepared. Why couldn't they wake up the fighter pilots, and the pathfinder team a few days before they arrive? Use that time to do equipment checks, go over any scenarios they might encounter, and just to get the kinks out the body after sleeping for that amount of time. Once they arrive, the fighters are deployed with the pathfinder team on standby in case they are needed. I have no idea what defenses the Nexus has. If they do, those defenses must have been on break when the kett showed up. Go to the Nexus after getting Meridian, there is no debris seen in the area. No damage seen to the Nexus, and no one ever mentions anything about the kett showing up.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 12, 2020 23:06:50 GMT
Actually you don't arm a hospital ship because it makes it a target and since blowing up hospitals and hospital ships is considered a war crime it seems needless. People still blow them up as we have seen but there not supposed to
Plus your not supposed to arm a hospital ship because it is supposed to be just a place for non combatants. By international law armies are not supposed to put alot of weapons or anything related to war besides wounded soldiers,hospital workers,and guards for thugs and such. Same reason it is against the law to have a POW camp share a space with things like weapons research and building or storing weapons. Again people destroy hospitals all the time but their not supposed too.
This is true, but the legality is no longer applicable when talking about a totally new setting with no government that can apply these rules, or have factions that would ever concern themselves with it. The problem is simply that the Ark would always be in an exceptionally poor position to stand its ground in a protracted space battle. Throwing fighters at something then booking would be the only viable tactic. Oh I was just talking about why they don't arm hospital ships. Honestly though if you read the codex about space battles it kinda kills any argument about space battles in a bad way. It is something I don't like to think about because it makes me want to slap my head and yell "why didn't they do that then". Basically it talks about how it is very hard to have ship to ship combat because when one side is losing they just hit FTL and they are gone. It makes "boarding" actions impossible unless you damage the engine from the start. So your idea about fighters is right. They send the fighters out to fight to give the ark time to hit FTL and then have the fighters go to a rally point and meet up with the ship later. Or if the fighters are capable of FTL they can just meet backup with the ark at a rally point if they can survive long enough to hit FTL. The problem comes when you have a settlement built and can't just hit FTL and take everything with you. Or if you are cut off from supplies like fuel.
So the real damage comes when you have to settle somewhere in large numbers.
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 25, 2020 19:19:42 GMT
The logical assumption is that the prototype was already on the Citadel. As part of the testing. Why there and not somewhere else is frivolous detail. I an imagine any number of reasons but answering that question is not necessary for the story of Mass Effect to make sense. You are being very petty. It's not a plot hole. It's certainly something that COULD be filled in by supplemental material but that is not likely to ever happen for a multitude of reasons, chief among them that explaining it in further detail does nothing to advance the main story. It's a not plot-hole because the details of the Conduit are not important to the PLOT. Are you next going to ask why Ilos was a research world and not some other world? Like I said, you are being petty. None of this makes ME2 look any better. It's a very disingenuous and misguided attempt to defend that game. The only thing more questionable is your motivation for doing so. I promise, ME2 being badly written and you liking it in spite of that is note a blight upon your honor. I don't consider it a frivolous detail when the jump to the Citadel from Ilos is literally across the entire galaxy and directly through the galactic core. That's not a logical choice for a test of a prototype by a culture that are newbs to the science of relays to start with.
I'm not trying to make ME2 look better. All 4 games have plot holes and flaws. They are of similar quality. ME1 does not sit on a pedestal of perfection. You can whitewash its flaws all day long... that doesn't make them disappear.
Problem is: If you calling them out, they'll just going to deny. And here I was thinking that everyone loves well written stories......
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 25, 2020 19:21:12 GMT
I don't see why folks are going in on the OP...he's just giving his opinion on why he thinks the next game will bomb...given what we've seen in Andromeda, it's not ridiculous to think that it might happen. The overall writing and character development is what hurt Andromeda....even with the animation and glitches, Andromeda's issues was with it's core elements...Story and characters. And lets not forget the agenda inclusive writing...they had to delete a scene that had a character talking about how they was a transgender.... ....Making Jaal BI....the character of Morda (feminist)....which goes against the very lore of female Krogans....SAM being able to solve every roadblock in the game...if it wasn't for SAM for over several scenarios the game would have ended in the first hour or so.....bland writing...Cora's conversation branches are used up, before you're even through half way through the game....SAM open this door....SAM do this....Ryder couldn't do ANYTHING without SAM (It held his/her hand throughout the entire game)...where was the growth seen throughout the game from Ryder?.... And he did happen to do something without SAM towards the end there, but LOL.....the game doesn't really tell you how he does that...good `ol Space Magic i guess... So yeah, i would be a bit skeptical too if i wondered if there was any hope of a good Mass Effect game coming down the pike given what we seen in Andromeda.....regardless of how some folks enjoyed Andromeda, overall the game bombed and another game like Andromeda will tank the series for good. Don't treat characters like they are needed for some sort of checkoff list to make certain groups happy....I liked Kaiden and Jack.....they was written wonderfully and didn't feel forced or like they was written to please folks.....what was seen in Andromeda was just juvenile and embarrassing. I'm not sure if Bioware still has that magical talent to write a great story and characters first as opposed to making sure certain types of characters are in the game.....just make a game with a great story and characters and everything else will fall into place. What i have seen from Anthem, is that overall the story and characters seem to be better than what was seen in Andromeda and that is saying alot being that the game is focusing on looter aspects first and its story elements 2nd. I think a story can be told in Andromeda, (there are still mysteries and questions unanswered) but only if Bioware can stop the madness and tighten up their writing/ character and narratives aspects.... Once again: Thank you!
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Post by Marduk on May 23, 2020 3:46:08 GMT
Bioware's next whether it be new ME or DA4 might fail cause they are far behind the competition but regardless, the mass online just want them to fail. for example:
FF7R has a controversial ending, but fans dont bash the whole game for it, unlike ME3 (yes it has other issues like any other game out there, but the main issue the mass have with it is the ending).
The Witcher tv show has "SJW agenda" or w/e but fans dont bash the whole show for it, yet they are quick to do so with Bioware.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 23, 2020 6:09:07 GMT
Bioware's next whether it be new ME or DA4 might fail cause they are far behind the competition but regardless, the mass online just want them to fail. for example: FF7R has a controversial ending, but fans dont bash the whole game for it, unlike ME3 (yes it has other issues like any other game out there, but the main issue the mass have with it is the ending). The Witcher tv show has "SJW agenda" or w/e but fans dont bash the whole show for it, yet they are quick to do so with Bioware. On the subject of FF7R, I feel like I’m the only person on earth that thinks that the dialogue is cornball to a degree that no longer feels charming but makes it an honest to Yahweh slog to listen to. It’s like it encapsulates the very worst of bad anime dubs. But no one seems to mind. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. Have one character say their face is tired, and the memedom never ends. Maybe Weeb Power is greater than I could have possibly imagined. That and the combat is actually kind of annoying, like really annoying. I’d rather fly around doing nothing in Anthem than fight random mooks that have irritatingly deep health pools.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 7:56:36 GMT
FF7R has a controversial ending, but fans dont bash the whole game for it, unlike ME3 (yes it has other issues like any other game out there, but the main issue the mass have with it is the ending). Bioware warned people before hand the ending would be upsetting. People ignored that, and went ahead and bought the game. Now they're blaming them for it, despite being given fair warning. Those ignorant people reap what they sow.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 23, 2020 15:00:40 GMT
Bioware's next whether it be new ME or DA4 might fail cause they are far behind the competition but regardless, the mass online just want them to fail. for example: FF7R has a controversial ending, but fans dont bash the whole game for it, unlike ME3 (yes it has other issues like any other game out there, but the main issue the mass have with it is the ending). The Witcher tv show has "SJW agenda" or w/e but fans dont bash the whole show for it, yet they are quick to do so with Bioware. So the fanbase is indeed toxic, no getting around that.
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on May 23, 2020 15:36:30 GMT
Bioware's next whether it be new ME or DA4 might fail cause they are far behind the competition but regardless, the mass online just want them to fail. for example: FF7R has a controversial ending, but fans dont bash the whole game for it, unlike ME3 (yes it has other issues like any other game out there, but the main issue the mass have with it is the ending). The Witcher tv show has "SJW agenda" or w/e but fans dont bash the whole show for it, yet they are quick to do so with Bioware. That's cause the Witcher is too incoherent for its agenda to matter. All you see is a roided up dude killing people and banging chicks, and some crazy lady doing crazy things after her magical plastic surgery. I don't think the gamer community wants Mass Effect to fail, but they are cautious after ME3 and Andromeda. The community at large feels slighted and disappointed with those two games.
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on May 23, 2020 15:37:57 GMT
Bioware's next whether it be new ME or DA4 might fail cause they are far behind the competition but regardless, the mass online just want them to fail. for example: FF7R has a controversial ending, but fans dont bash the whole game for it, unlike ME3 (yes it has other issues like any other game out there, but the main issue the mass have with it is the ending). The Witcher tv show has "SJW agenda" or w/e but fans dont bash the whole show for it, yet they are quick to do so with Bioware. So the fanbase is indeed toxic, no getting around that. The fanbase isn't morally obligated to support everything. If the fanbase is toxic, Bioware has no one but themselves to blame for it.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 23, 2020 15:46:27 GMT
So the fanbase is indeed toxic, no getting around that. The fanbase isn't morally obligated to support everything. If the fanbase is toxic, Bioware has no one but themselves to blame for it. Never said that. No one supports everything Bioware does. We are all critical of the company's decisions. It's a different thing to say that the writers have no talent, that the developers are fools for not choosing one engine over the other or to pretend that the creative process is maliciously aimed towards the audience. That's neither a productive nor healthy attitude to have towards people that work hard to make videogames.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 17:36:01 GMT
The fanbase isn't morally obligated to support everything. If the fanbase is toxic, Bioware has no one but themselves to blame for it. Being toxic is a choice.
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on May 23, 2020 18:47:34 GMT
The fanbase isn't morally obligated to support everything. If the fanbase is toxic, Bioware has no one but themselves to blame for it. Being toxic is a choice. You can't poison the walls of a vessel and expect whatever you put in there to remain ok.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 23, 2020 19:05:25 GMT
You can't poison the walls of a vessel and expect whatever you put in there to remain ok. No one poisoned anything. Get over yourself.
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on May 23, 2020 19:20:28 GMT
You can't poison the walls of a vessel and expect whatever you put in there to remain ok. No one poisoned anything. Get over yourself. Not entirely accurate. Embrace reality for what it is.
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Reality is a matter of perception.
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