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Post by Phantom on May 28, 2020 18:18:48 GMT
I would rather defend the people who worked on the game, than some of these fans who think they know how the game works better than the developers who created it.
You know, the Reapers are only at peace with you, because you let them harvest you, right?
Actually, it said "make way for new life, storing the old life in Reaper form". What you're seeing in those slides is the "new life" forms. However, the old life forms, your original body, was used to make Reapers.
So what, you think the galaxy we're seeing in the epilogue is a Matrix-style fantasy world while in real life everyone was turned into a Reaper? Or are you saying that with Synthesis everyone ceased to exist and the people we see are merely some kind of copy? Well it would be an interesting concept if they did a Post Reaper War Mass Effect game with a canon Synthesis ending.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 28, 2020 18:26:50 GMT
I would rather defend the people who worked on the game, than some of these fans who think they know how the game works better than the developers who created it.
You know, the Reapers are only at peace with you, because you let them harvest you, right?
Actually, it said "make way for new life, storing the old life in Reaper form". What you're seeing in those slides is the "new life" forms. However, the old life forms, your original body, was used to make Reapers.
So what, you think the galaxy we're seeing in the epilogue is a Matrix-style fantasy world while in real life everyone was turned into a Reaper? Or are you saying that with Synthesis everyone ceased to exist and the people we see are merely some kind of copy? Hanako beat me to it ! The reapers harvest organics, that much we know... BUT, when the crucible fires the synthesis option, all organics turn into "something new". That means that the reapers can't harvest anyone anymore, because their parameters were restricted to organic harvesting. Even the reapers themselves are no longer reapers. They're not the synthetic AI constructs they were before, now they're "something new".
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 28, 2020 18:30:39 GMT
So what, you think the galaxy we're seeing in the epilogue is a Matrix-style fantasy world while in real life everyone was turned into a Reaper? Or are you saying that with Synthesis everyone ceased to exist and the people we see are merely some kind of copy? Well it would be an interesting concept if they did a Post Reaper War Mass Effect game with a canon Synthesis ending. Sure, but that's because Synthesis is the ending I choose. I wouldn't want that forced on players who are opposed to it.
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Post by wright1978 on May 28, 2020 18:36:58 GMT
So what, you think the galaxy we're seeing in the epilogue is a Matrix-style fantasy world while in real life everyone was turned into a Reaper? Or are you saying that with Synthesis everyone ceased to exist and the people we see are merely some kind of copy? Well it would be an interesting concept if they did a Post Reaper War Mass Effect game with a canon Synthesis ending. I’d be interested to see the reaction at it being much bleaker than advertised.
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Post by Phantom on May 28, 2020 18:42:19 GMT
Well it would be an interesting concept if they did a Post Reaper War Mass Effect game with a canon Synthesis ending. Sure, but that's because Synthesis is the ending I choose. I wouldn't want that forced on players who are opposed to it. Well as long as they don't use one of my nightmare to Mass effect Post Reaper War game. Yeah it is uncomfortably bleak due to it is involves an entire empty galaxy and looking for a cure for indoctrination for several heavily indoctrinated people that wanted the cure for it.
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Post by themikefest on May 28, 2020 18:50:57 GMT
So what, you think the galaxy we're seeing in the epilogue is a Matrix-style fantasy world while in real life everyone was turned into a Reaper? Or are you saying that with Synthesis everyone ceased to exist and the people we see are merely some kind of copy? Well it would be an interesting concept if they did a Post Reaper War Mass Effect game with a canon Synthesis ending. Green being the ending for another ME game in the Milky Way? I could see that. As the main character walks around, he/she overhears people saying how much they have saved on their power bill because they all have the fluorescent green crap on their bodies without having to worrying about light bulbs or flashlights.
Remember the look on that soldier and ugly when the green passed through them? It seemed like they knew each other. husk: Hold up. Don't shoot. It's me, Dave Baloney. I was at your wedding. Don't you remember Nick? soldier: Wedding? Dave? Yeah...yeah. I remember.
husk: There's a tavern around the corner. Lets say we grab a couple of cold ones, and talk old times. soldier: Drink? Old times? Sure. Lets go. I could use a drink or 10.
Maybe the player can have the opportunity to recruit one of the uglies for a squadmate.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 28, 2020 18:51:28 GMT
Well it would be an interesting concept if they did a Post Reaper War Mass Effect game with a canon Synthesis ending. Sure, but that's because Synthesis is the ending I choose. I wouldn't want that forced on players who are opposed to it. I'd love the shit out of Phantom's proposal, though as you say, everyone's ending should be respected.
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Post by Phantom on May 28, 2020 19:18:45 GMT
Sure, but that's because Synthesis is the ending I choose. I wouldn't want that forced on players who are opposed to it. I'd love the shit out of Phantom's proposal, though as you say, everyone's ending should be respected. Well there are plenty of ideas we can use and develop for both Milk way and Andromeda. We can be here for 1,000 years in doing just that.
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Post by NotN7 on May 28, 2020 20:14:47 GMT
LOL/Sigh not sure which but has anyone looked up near death experiences? (not that its an exact science) but it fits my ending of MEOT and I'll leave it at that.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 21:06:04 GMT
I would rather defend the people who worked on the game, than some of these fans who think they know how the game works better than the developers who created it.
You know, the Reapers are only at peace with you, because you let them harvest you, right?
Actually, it said "make way for new life, storing the old life in Reaper form". What you're seeing in those slides is the "new life" forms. However, the old life forms, your original body, was used to make Reapers.
So what, you think the galaxy we're seeing in the epilogue is a Matrix-style fantasy world while in real life everyone was turned into a Reaper? Or are you saying that with Synthesis everyone ceased to exist and the people we see are merely some kind of copy? If the player views the game through Shepard's eyes, then since Shepard is dead, he wouldn't be able to see any of this.
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Post by themikefest on May 28, 2020 21:24:18 GMT
Actually yes. If Synthesis is chosen, it cancels out your decision to sabotage. Then it's correct to say Bioware does not respect player choice? I'm not a fan of the green. As I've said before. I believe Bioware made the ending for comedians to use for their opening act to give the audience a good laugh.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 28, 2020 21:51:12 GMT
So what, you think the galaxy we're seeing in the epilogue is a Matrix-style fantasy world while in real life everyone was turned into a Reaper? Or are you saying that with Synthesis everyone ceased to exist and the people we see are merely some kind of copy? If the player views the game through Shepard's eyes, then since Shepard is dead, he wouldn't be able to see any of this. The games have never been solely through the protagonist’s eyes. Every game has had scenes we the player see but the character we play doesn’t. For example early in ME1 when Beneziah tells Saren that Eden Prime was saved and a human may have used the beacon sending Saren into his little fit.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 28, 2020 22:17:22 GMT
Actually yes. If Synthesis is chosen, it cancels out your decision to sabotage. Then it's correct to say Bioware does not respect player choice? I'm not a fan of the green. As I've said before. I believe Bioware made the ending for comedians to use for their opening act to give the audience a good laugh. I don’t think that’s really fair to say just based on that one outcome, since synthesis is supposed to fundamentally alter the framework of life in the galaxy. Seems reasonable enough they’d have it also alter some genetic alteration from a viral plague. I mean, if you choose synthesis, you’re keeping the most dangerous things in the galaxy alive. Krogan are small potatoes.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 28, 2020 22:21:54 GMT
Bioware warned people before hand the ending would be upsetting Where?
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Post by wright1978 on May 28, 2020 22:32:20 GMT
Actually yes. If Synthesis is chosen, it cancels out your decision to sabotage. Then it's correct to say Bioware does not respect player choice? I'm not a fan of the green. As I've said before. I believe Bioware made the ending for comedians to use for their opening act to give the audience a good laugh. Yeah i’m not a fan of the green mass genetic rape option
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 28, 2020 22:43:48 GMT
Then it's correct to say Bioware does not respect player choice? I'm not a fan of the green. As I've said before. I believe Bioware made the ending for comedians to use for their opening act to give the audience a good laugh. Yeah i’m not a fan of the green mass genetic rape option Indeed.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 28, 2020 22:51:42 GMT
"Hey, I didn't like the ending because of these reasons" is very different from "Bioware writers should be flipping burgers" Exaggeration, something that I do often and have stated time and again. It is used as an example to show the magnitude of a misstep that the Bioware writer involved himself has admitted to, one who I've said, repeatedly that I like and I also think he's done his penance, but is ultimately not the lead writer the franchise wanted. But I also like how you avoid using my handle. Why?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 0:03:15 GMT
Then it's correct to say Bioware does not respect player choice? Pretty much every game in existence gives the player the illusion of choice. Even when you create a new character in ME2 or ME3, they have pre-programmed events which happen whether or not you played the previous games or not. If you really wanted true choice, then you should make your own game. Then you control everything that happens. Regarding the ending, Bioware has never said which ending is canon. I know, some people think the destroy ending is best, because Shepard survives and gets to reunite with his crew. LinkThey never actually say the "last 5 minutes of the game" will make people angry, as that would spoil the plot. So they said the entire game might upset some. After all, that is technically what they sold you. Mass Effect 3's story will be shaped by your previous choices, as I said before.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 29, 2020 2:00:05 GMT
"Hey, I didn't like the ending because of these reasons" is very different from "Bioware writers should be flipping burgers" Exaggeration, something that I do often and have stated time and again. It is used as an example to show the magnitude of a misstep that the Bioware writer involved himself has admitted to, one who I've said, repeatedly that I like and I also think he's done his penance, but is ultimately not the lead writer the franchise wanted. But I also like how you avoid using my handle. Why? Go home SirSourpuss, you're drunk.
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Post by The Hype Himself on May 29, 2020 2:22:40 GMT
Why Mass Effect 5 will fail harder.
Probably because BioWare will keep their same development strategy going and assmagic a game at the eleventh hour. Getting a game ready eventually is not a good idea when that 'eventually' is after the ship date.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 3:28:05 GMT
There is no "ass magic" in the ending. That's just a stupid fan term.
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Post by alanc9 on May 29, 2020 4:49:10 GMT
Well it would be an interesting concept if they did a Post Reaper War Mass Effect game with a canon Synthesis ending. I’d be interested to see the reaction at it being much bleaker than advertised. Bleaker how? I figure you've got ideas.
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Post by alanc9 on May 29, 2020 4:51:36 GMT
"Hey, I didn't like the ending because of these reasons" is very different from "Bioware writers should be flipping burgers" Exaggeration, something that I do often and have stated time and again. It is used as an example to show the magnitude of a misstep that the Bioware writer involved himself has admitted to, one who I've said, repeatedly that I like and I also think he's done his penance, but is ultimately not the lead writer the franchise wanted. But I also like how you avoid using my handle. Why? How come you keep repeating rhetorical moves that have repeatedly failed to work for you?
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Post by cloud9 on May 29, 2020 5:49:54 GMT
They did, but I suspect that what they anticipated players would be upset about was greatly exceeded by the laundry list of issues people actually had with not just the story decisions, but the internal logic at play with how all the pieces were juggled to the end. Saying that it will be upsetting doesn’t provide an out for heavy criticism when the product finally drops. A story can be very upsetting yet still be considered a good, cohesive, fitting end. If large swaths of the player base didn’t get that impression, maybe being “upsetting” was the least of its problems. It's unfortunate that so many took the ending at face value. A lot of the plot holes, logic, and stuff could be solved by not taking it too literally. Bioware did say there was multiple non-literal parts in this game.
I found no hard evidence that the people upset with the ending were the "vocal majority". All evidence I gather suggested maybe 100,000 or 3% (3.5M sales initially).
I've read a lot of their arguments, and they suggest they are the majority, but I think they say that in order to make Bioware listen to them more.
Because BioWare can write a hell of a lot better than what they did with ME3 ending. And it is disappointing that they ruined the legacy of the franchise, because of bad writing. They done a better job with the ending on Origins, compared what they did with Mass Effect 3 ending. And I don't blame fans who are dissatisfied with the controversial ending that tarnished the franchise.
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Post by wright1978 on May 29, 2020 6:43:48 GMT
I’d be interested to see the reaction at it being much bleaker than advertised. Bleaker how? I figure you've got ideas. If you were to set a game there they wouldn’t be able handwave mass genetic rape turning everyone into happy little compliant friends in paradise because the game would require something for the protagonist to oppose/overcome something. Harbinger goes rogue, religious zealots angry we are no longer made in god’s image must be stopped etc.
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