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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 26, 2020 18:51:04 GMT
She’s having to constantly deal with a continuously shifting political and economic landscape, dealing with dozens of various groups that all want different things without alienating any of them in order to keep the Inquisition fed, armed, and countless other ways to stay alive. She knows what hard work is. Perhaps I phrased that wrong. Not hard work but hardship. What she complained about was her brothers having to do manual labour when clearly they were brought up to something different. Her sister is attending art school in Orlais which can't be cheap. She was dressed in finery from day one. Dealing with the political landscape is what she was accustomed to doing before joining the Inquisition and not what she was complaining about. It was the demeaning nature of manual labour because that should have been beneath her family. So no, I don't think she had anything to complain about in terms of hardship.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 26, 2020 19:48:29 GMT
She’s having to constantly deal with a continuously shifting political and economic landscape, dealing with dozens of various groups that all want different things without alienating any of them in order to keep the Inquisition fed, armed, and countless other ways to stay alive. She knows what hard work is. Perhaps I phrased that wrong. Not hard work but hardship. What she complained about was her brothers having to do manual labour when clearly they were brought up to something different. Her sister is attending art school in Orlais which can't be cheap. She was dressed in finery from day one. Dealing with the political landscape is what she was accustomed to doing before joining the Inquisition and not what she was complaining about. It was the demeaning nature of manual labour because that should have been beneath her family. So no, I don't think she had anything to complain about in terms of hardship. Yeah, there’s a huge difference between hard work and hardship. Though if you bring that up, at least Josephine openly acknowledges that she is still very privileged compared to most of the people of Thedas.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Sept 26, 2020 23:11:38 GMT
Of course opting to be either an elf or a mage or both, I was always going to butt heads against Chantry teaching and follow my own version of Andrastriasm if at all. That's why I so enjoy having Leliana as Divine. However, I did rather enjoy my male mage Lavellan who accepted the title of Herald of Andraste, not because he believe a word of it but it amused him making all these judgments in the name of the Maker. He still claimed the role of Inquisitor in the name of the elves though. What was so amusing is that the way the game mechanics work it means that it seemed like he had totally convinced everyone of his sincerity. Vivienne thought he was wonderful because he decorated the hall with Chantry heraldry and said all the right things to her, whilst doing the complete opposite. He still ended up with Leliana as Divine so I wonder at what point the penny dropped with Vivienne that he had been playing her all along. That kind of "Trollavellan" sounds pretty amusing. I wonder though if the game itself takes it seriously? I mean, DAI already has tons of "retain our culture=bad elf, get assimilated=good elf" vibes. Not sure if I could stand more of these. That is why Bethany was able to have regular visits in the Circle or be allowed out on special dispensation to attend events like Duke Prosper's hunt, because the children of nobles are treated entirely differently in the Circle. Bethany and Emile were able to have contact with their families after being taken there. Anders and Ella were dragged off and never saw them again. You can bet anything you like that the children of nobles aren't made tranquil or abused by the Templars. Vivienne might not have been noble herself but she acquired the patronage of a noble and that made all the difference. Bethany may have found Alric creepy but he wouldn't have dared touch her. If the children of nobles had been given exactly the same experience as those of commoners, I'm pretty certain the Circle system would never have survived in its current form as long as it did. As it is the Circle pretty much reflected the way in which nobles treat commoners on the outside, particularly in Orlais but anywhere outside of Ferelden. Since many Templars are the younger sons, often the reprobates of the family, who they offload on the Chantry, it is hardly surprising their attitude towards commoner mages reflects that of the nobles on the outside. True. Most of the time, someone arguing in favour of the circles and going "but these guys don't have it bad", they name the characters you did, plus Finn from Witch Hunt. I also wonder how Harrowings are handled for nobles. They did not make an exception for Bethany and put her into it immediately, because "apostate", I suspect. Vivienne got her connections afterwards. A while ago, I cleared up some nonsensical writing on the DAwiki which basically said that the Tevinter does just the same Harrowings as the south. Besides this being a stretchy interpretation of the source video (Dorian during HltA), I dare say it does not make much sense. Would Tevinter nobles really allow their firstborn, bred-for-magic offspring to be put through exactly the same do-or-die situation? 'Cause I don't want to play some character who whines about "how they lost everything they worked for" That reminds me of the first time I played DAI and I had messed up on the Wycombe war table plot so my entire clan had been wiped out. I was just leaving the War Table Room feeling pretty despondent and called off at Josephine when she promptly started to moan about her problems and how hard her family worked. So there she is in silk and satin and I'm from the Dalish where every day was a battle to survive and I really wanted to say "What are you complaining about you prissy princess? You've had is easy. I've just lost my entire family". Okay since the people never acknowledge your loss in the main game, the timing was just unfortunate but I have to admit I still don't think Josie really knows what hard work is. Oh. That's just perfect....ly annoying. Really drives home the meta narrative focus DAI has. I was also kinda "So, what?" at first regarding Josi. It was made up for by choosing the knify option... I don't wanna have more knife nuts in my keep... and what if the next one between Josi and an assassin isn't a no-name soldier, but, say, Cassandra? That'll be a political mess. my world states since have been somewhat more entertaining and diverse, especially my current canon All Tabris' fault, I suppose?
Oh, and about the nobles, I tend to r.o.f.l. a bit about lost fortune, compared to, say, "Dusters", City elves, Dalish, circle mages... Also, the "devout andrastian"™ thing. Cannot play that, nor do I want to.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 27, 2020 0:38:07 GMT
Of course opting to be either an elf or a mage or both, I was always going to butt heads against Chantry teaching and follow my own version of Andrastriasm if at all. That's why I so enjoy having Leliana as Divine. However, I did rather enjoy my male mage Lavellan who accepted the title of Herald of Andraste, not because he believe a word of it but it amused him making all these judgments in the name of the Maker. He still claimed the role of Inquisitor in the name of the elves though. What was so amusing is that the way the game mechanics work it means that it seemed like he had totally convinced everyone of his sincerity. Vivienne thought he was wonderful because he decorated the hall with Chantry heraldry and said all the right things to her, whilst doing the complete opposite. He still ended up with Leliana as Divine so I wonder at what point the penny dropped with Vivienne that he had been playing her all along. That kind of "Trollavellan" sounds pretty amusing. I wonder though if the game itself takes it seriously? I mean, DAI already has tons of "retain our culture=bad elf, get assimilated=good elf" vibes. Not sure if I could stand more of these. That is why Bethany was able to have regular visits in the Circle or be allowed out on special dispensation to attend events like Duke Prosper's hunt, because the children of nobles are treated entirely differently in the Circle. Bethany and Emile were able to have contact with their families after being taken there. Anders and Ella were dragged off and never saw them again. You can bet anything you like that the children of nobles aren't made tranquil or abused by the Templars. Vivienne might not have been noble herself but she acquired the patronage of a noble and that made all the difference. Bethany may have found Alric creepy but he wouldn't have dared touch her. If the children of nobles had been given exactly the same experience as those of commoners, I'm pretty certain the Circle system would never have survived in its current form as long as it did. As it is the Circle pretty much reflected the way in which nobles treat commoners on the outside, particularly in Orlais but anywhere outside of Ferelden. Since many Templars are the younger sons, often the reprobates of the family, who they offload on the Chantry, it is hardly surprising their attitude towards commoner mages reflects that of the nobles on the outside. True. Most of the time, someone arguing in favour of the circles and going "but these guys don't have it bad", they name the characters you did, plus Finn from Witch Hunt. I also wonder how Harrowings are handled for nobles. They did not make an exception for Bethany and put her into it immediately, because "apostate", I suspect. Vivienne got her connections afterwards. A while ago, I cleared up some nonsensical writing on the DAwiki which basically said that the Tevinter does just the same Harrowings as the south. Besides this being a stretchy interpretation of the source video (Dorian during HltA), I dare say it does not make much sense. Would Tevinter nobles really allow their firstborn, bred-for-magic offspring to be put through exactly the same do-or-die situation? That reminds me of the first time I played DAI and I had messed up on the Wycombe war table plot so my entire clan had been wiped out. I was just leaving the War Table Room feeling pretty despondent and called off at Josephine when she promptly started to moan about her problems and how hard her family worked. So there she is in silk and satin and I'm from the Dalish where every day was a battle to survive and I really wanted to say "What are you complaining about you prissy princess? You've had is easy. I've just lost my entire family". Okay since the people never acknowledge your loss in the main game, the timing was just unfortunate but I have to admit I still don't think Josie really knows what hard work is. Oh. That's just perfect....ly annoying. Really drives home the meta narrative focus DAI has. I was also kinda "So, what?" at first regarding Josi. It was made up for by choosing the knify option... I don't wanna have more knife nuts in my keep... and what if the next one between Josi and an assassin isn't a no-name soldier, but, say, Cassandra? That'll be a political mess. my world states since have been somewhat more entertaining and diverse, especially my current canon All Tabris' fault, I suppose?
Oh, and about the nobles, I tend to r.o.f.l. a bit about lost fortune, compared to, say, "Dusters", City elves, Dalish, circle mages... Also, the "devout andrastian"™ thing. Cannot play that, nor do I want to. Yes... like "good mage" who accepts that they should be locked, and the Harrowing is super necessary, the Tranquility and the Annulment can be sad, but necessary as well. The Circles are nice, they should be grateful not starwing, and everything is just for their sake... Only thing that the "good mage" admits (modestly!), that some Templars aren't that nice... Mage Hawke should believe, that "both sides are equally wrong", and "maybe the Templars have a point"... And about that Dorian's "Harrowing" is the SAME as in the Southern Circles... ONLY we know, he had one, and that Tevinter is Andrastian – differently. They use the terms... but the circumstances are the same? I doubt it. Even the Circles are different, the whole system...
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Post by Buckeldemon on Sept 27, 2020 1:20:18 GMT
Yes... like "good mage" who accepts that they should be locked, and the Harrowing is super necessary, the Tranquility and the Annulment can be sad, but necessary as well. The Circles are nice, they should be grateful not starwing, and everything is just for their sake... Only thing that the "good mage" admits (modestly!), that some Templars aren't that nice... Mage Hawke should believe, that "both sides are equally wrong", and "maybe the Templars have a point"... "We protect you from yourselves by abuse, torture, execution and general ass-holy-ness, TROLOL!"
I honestly prefer Cullens "We have dominance over mages by Divine Right". At least he's a honest asshole here, as opposed to DAI which tries really hard to whitewash the templars, Celene, the destruction of the Dales (ugh...) and Chantry assholery in general. I've read some excerpts from Asunder on a blog the other day and ordered the book for myself. I think that I'll be very amused by how the narrative tries to discredit Adrian by painting her as "unreasonable"/"emotional"/"crazy" (all while she and Fiona make more sense than the apologists), while Wynne swings the "responsible good prisoner club" and Rhys is too busy staring at Evangeline's tits to do much, she in turn does what a templar does best: being a self-contradictory brute. Meanwhile, Justinia plays "pro-mage" and Lord Seeker Senior Templar Nnja Pirate Zombie Robot Lam(e)bert frothes at the mouth for not getting what he wants anymore. That poor sod. And about that Dorian's "Harrowing" is the SAME as in the Southern Circles... ONLY we know, he had one, and that Tevinter is Andrastian – differently. They use the terms... but the circumstances are the same? I doubt it. Even the Circles are different, the whole system... Here's the video which was used as reference. As I said, I reworded that phrasing to better account for the ambiguity of the scene.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 27, 2020 1:28:24 GMT
Yes... like "good mage" who accepts that they should be locked, and the Harrowing is super necessary, the Tranquility and the Annulment can be sad, but necessary as well. The Circles are nice, they should be grateful not starwing, and everything is just for their sake... Only thing that the "good mage" admits (modestly!), that some Templars aren't that nice... Mage Hawke should believe, that "both sides are equally wrong", and "maybe the Templars have a point"... "We protect you from yourselves by abuse, torture, execution and general ass-holy-ness, TROLOL!"
I honestly prefer Cullens "We have dominance over mages by Divine Right". At least he's a honest asshole here, as opposed to DAI which tries really hard to whitewash the templars, Celene, the destruction of the Dales (ugh...) and Chantry assholery in general. I've read some excerpts from Asunder on a blog the other day and ordered the book for myself. I think that I'll be very amused by how the narrative tries to discredit Adrian by painting her as "unreasonable"/"emotional"/"crazy" (all while she and Fiona make more sense than the apologists), while Wynne swings the "responsible good prisoner club" and Rhys is too busy staring at Evangeline's tits to do much, she in turn does what a templar does best: being a self-contradictory brute. Meanwhile, Justinia plays "pro-mage" and Lord Seeker Senior Templar Nnja Pirate Zombie Robot Lam(e)bert frothes at the mouth for not getting what he wants anymore. That poor sod. And about that Dorian's "Harrowing" is the SAME as in the Southern Circles... ONLY we know, he had one, and that Tevinter is Andrastian – differently. They use the terms... but the circumstances are the same? I doubt it. Even the Circles are different, the whole system... Here's the video which was used as reference. As I said, I reworded that phrasing to better account for the ambiguity of the scene. And especially THIS video proves, that this is rather different. (And I'm who denies the holy canon... – I got it many times) By the way Asunder... Of course, Adrian was painted as extremist, dishonest and jealous... She was right (absolutely not "crazy", nor extremist)... but because she was "extremist" – okay, she was not blood mage (she hates it), BUT: of course such an extremist can be a good person... (Evangeline at the end is good... but honestly I was not into this romance). Rhys was too hesitant to my taste – until the end... But Asunder is good, and proves many things... For example, that the Aequitarians aren't that idiots: they're awfully hesitant, but at the end, at least chose someone, who are able to decide. Also: furious Wynne is better than the "wise-gramma' Wynne (but yes, she's annoying, until this... – but has some good moments).
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Sept 27, 2020 11:02:04 GMT
my world states since have been somewhat more entertaining and diverse, especially my current canon All Tabris' fault, I suppose?
Oh, and about the nobles, I tend to r.o.f.l. a bit about lost fortune, compared to, say, "Dusters", City elves, Dalish, circle mages... Also, the "devout andrastian"™ thing. Cannot play that, nor do I want to.
Tabris:
I tried doing a devout Andrastian once...couldn't do it, even my Qunari Quizzy (whilst accepting the Herald title) wasn't very devout. I suppose it's because I'm not religious irl.
Then again, I love playing Daedra worshipers in Elder Scrolls...mostly because unlike Dragon Age in that world the gods are actual beings who do things to help and/or destroy the world
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 27, 2020 12:44:04 GMT
A while ago, I cleared up some nonsensical writing on the DAwiki which basically said that the Tevinter does just the same Harrowings as the south. Besides this being a stretchy interpretation of the source video (Dorian during HltA), I dare say it does not make much sense. Would Tevinter nobles really allow their firstborn, bred-for-magic offspring to be put through exactly the same do-or-die situation? I very much doubt it is exactly the same. For one thing they don't have Templars in the way the south does. So if nothing else the process is overseen by senior mages. I doubt it is all hush hush about what they are going to get you to do (remember we are not meant to tell anyone about our experience in DAO) but they probably prepare the apprentice much better so they are less likely to fall foul of the demon anyway. It is likely no more than just one more experience they think you should be exposed to rather than throw you in at the deep end and then slaughter you if you fail. Which is why Dorian's account of it seemed to be rather enjoyable for him. They did not make an exception for Bethany and put her into it immediately, because "apostate", Remember at that point you were still living in Lowtown and the family fortunes and prestige had not been restored, so definitely still treated as a commoner apostate to a large extent, although given the track record in the Gallows at that time they could have simply enforced tranquility on her as a precaution, so clearly knowing her family would likely take an interest and the Amell name was enough to stop them doing this. I honestly prefer Cullens "We have dominance over mages by Divine Right". Which only goes to show that the attitude to mages stems from the whole Orlesian noble approach to authority rather than the teaching of Andraste. Nobles rule by Divine Right, so by extension so does the Chantry and the Templars, or vice versa. To rebel is not just a challenge to their ordinary authority but a "sin" against the Maker. Nowhere does the Chant grant this idea of Divine Right except, perhaps, in the Canticle of Exaltations, which was not part of the original Chant of Light but an account of Drakon's "vision" that authorised his empire building aspirations through encouraging him to spread the Chant of Light. Cut out the bits that are definitely not the words of Andraste and there is less justification for their claim to authority. It is that claimed authority that gave the Divine the right to interpret the genuine words as she sees fit. Then Giselle tried to lay blame on Andraste for saying these words on the circumstances of her time rather than the fact that it was someone subsequent to her that twisted them for political motives. If you believe, as I do, that Andraste was in fact a mage, then claiming the Maker gave then the right to lock mages up because of her words is even more ridiculous. Essentially, what they are saying is that if Andraste did return, they would be obliged to lock her up too. I tried doing a devout Andrastian once...couldn't do it, even my Qunari Quizzy (whilst accepting the Herald title) wasn't very devout. I suppose it's because I'm not religious irl. I am religious IRL and that is why I can't stomach the Chantry version of Andrastrianism. There are alternatives, not just in Tevinter, but in the land where she originated, namely Ferelden. The Ash Warriors worshiped the Maker but did not acknowledge either the authority of the Orlesian Chantry or their Chant of Light. Sadly they killed them off at the Battle of Ostagar and we have only heard about their beliefs since then through codices. I would have liked an actual Ash Warrior to argue their version of the faith with a Chantry sister at some point. I've done this in my own fan fiction but I'd had loved someone to do this in game. Of course the cult at Haven also had their own version of Andrastrianism but sadly they were depicted as the bad guys. We also now have evidence of people like Ameridan who saw nothing amiss with believing in both the Maker and their own pantheon. Since this was at the time when Drakon was first establishing his Chantry as the only legitimate version of the faith, it is clear that contrary to what the Chantry would have us believe, the alternatives weren't confined to some rather odd cults but could be entirely mainstream. So it does prove that it is possible to believe in the Maker and yet reject the Chantry and that is the sort of option I would have liked as Herald. Accepting the title but then doing everything contrary to what the established Chantry taught was the nearest I could get to it.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 4, 2020 11:10:41 GMT
Actually I'm finding it terrifying. It looks wrong on so many levels. Anders as Archon or Black Divine, that I could go with. If Radonis doesn't have an heir he could even nominate Anders. After all they are both cat lovers.
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Post by Rascoth on Oct 4, 2020 11:43:24 GMT
Actually I'm finding it terrifying. It looks wrong on so many levels. And that's what's great about it
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Post by Catilina on Oct 4, 2020 12:38:11 GMT
Thank you, Rascoth , This is why I created! Actually I'm finding it terrifying. It looks wrong on so many levels. Anders as Archon or Black Divine, that I could go with. If Radonis doesn't have an heir he could even nominate Anders. After all they are both cat lovers. Haha! It's absolutely WRONG! I’m sure he would hate the whole idea... But Dorian is the Archon, Anders is very much Southern – I can't imagine him in Tevinter. Anyway, I leave the pic here:
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 4, 2020 17:54:11 GMT
Haha! It's absolutely WRONG! I’m sure he would hate the whole idea... I just had this crazy idea how the lyrium spirit that keeps Leliana alive and Justice could be old friends, so if inspired Leliana is made Divine and the spirit wanted a rest, this could actually become a reality. Then I imagined Anders with Justice's voice saying: "Eat your heart out Vivienne!" If he really wanted to mess with her head, make it so that she was the only one who could see the truth but everyone else still saw Divine Leliana. That would be fun.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 7, 2020 18:35:16 GMT
I was doing a bit of background research on Ferelden after the Blight and realised a certain bit of information about Sebastian had somehow passed me by when playing the game. It says that he enacted trade sanctions against Ferelden for offering sanctuary to the mages. So even if Hawke executes Anders, if you side with the mages and take Sebastian along for the ride, he clearly isn't convinced by our argument that Andraste would be there supporting us. Plus surely the mages moved to Ferelden because the Divine called for peace talks, although I suppose it is possible that the monarch offered them sanctuary even before that. Still it has made me even less inclined to appease Sebastian. As Starkhaven is one of the richest city states in the Freemarches and the area as a whole is the bread basket of Thedas, essentially he is trying to force the people of Ferelden into rebellion against their monarch by starving them of their food supply, Ferelden probaby being rather more reliant on the Freemarches than usually because they are still recovering from the Blight and some land in the Bannorn, the main food growing area, is polluted. Presumably the food he is withholding from Ferelden is what he sends to aid Kirkwall. Anyway since it makes no difference to how he treats Ferelden, which I still feel is the country I most identify with, not just because it is based on Britain but the system of governance does seem one of the best in Thedas, I now feel even better at letting Anders live because it gives the Inquisition the opportunity to kick Sebastian's ass. Then as it is canon that Hawke returns to Kirkwall, provided they survive the Fade, they can do the traditional British V sign at Sebastian thereafter. I would love to know Sebastian's reaction to Divine Leliana's reforms. Remember that nice Sister Nightingale Sebastian? Well she has just decreed that the mages are free to govern themselves. Sebastian spends the next twenty years trying to decide whether to march on Val Royeaux. Or he is still trying to decide when Fen'Harel drops the Veil. I want people to survive this just so Sebastian has to be confronted by the fact that there are mages everywhere. All those elven servants are suddenly doing magic. Mop your own floors choirboy!
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Post by Catilina on Oct 7, 2020 18:46:58 GMT
I was doing a bit of background research on Ferelden after the Blight and realised a certain bit of information about Sebastian had somehow passed me by when playing the game. It says that he enacted trade sanctions against Ferelden for offering sanctuary to the mages. So even if Hawke executes Anders, if you side with the mages and take Sebastian along for the ride, he clearly isn't convinced by our argument that Andraste would be there supporting us. Plus surely the mages moved to Ferelden because the Divine called for peace talks, although I suppose it is possible that the monarch offered them sanctuary even before that. Still it has made me even less inclined to appease Sebastian. As Starkhaven is one of the richest city states in the Freemarches and the area as a whole is the bread basket of Thedas, essentially he is trying to force the people of Ferelden into rebellion against their monarch by starving them of their food supply, Ferelden probaby being rather more reliant on the Freemarches than usually because they are still recovering from the Blight and some land in the Bannorn, the main food growing area, is polluted. Presumably the food he is withholding from Ferelden is what he sends to aid Kirkwall. Anyway since it makes no difference to how he treats Ferelden, which I still feel is the country I most identify with, not just because it is based on Britain but the system of governance does seem one of the best in Thedas, I now feel even better at letting Anders live because it gives the Inquisition the opportunity to kick Sebastian's ass. Then as it is canon that Hawke returns to Kirkwall, provided they survive the Fade, they can do the traditional British V sign at Sebastian thereafter. I would love to know Sebastian's reaction to Divine Leliana's reforms. Remember that nice Sister Nightingale Sebastian? Well she has just decreed that the mages are free to govern themselves. Sebastian spends the next twenty years trying to decide whether to march on Val Royeaux. Or he is still trying to decide when Fen'Harel drops the Veil. I want people to survive this just so Sebastian has to be confronted by the fact that there are mages everywhere. All those elven servants are suddenly doing magic. Mop your own floors choirboy! I didn't know this about him. If Hawke kills Anders, he's able to help Hawke to protect mages. I'm not surprised so much, while I don't hate Sebastian's character, but it is probably disappointing to the people, who believe, he's not against the mages. Where you read this?
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 7, 2020 19:21:57 GMT
The Codex "Ferelden after the Blight". I'm not sure if this paragraph is there whoever is in charge but I think so. Despite the events at Kirkwall, Ferelden continues to offer refuge to the rebel mages, which will only bring trouble to our doorsteps. It already has. Rumors among the merchants suggest that Starkhaven places sanctions on trade as a sign of protest. One hears of conflict in the Hinterlands between templars and magesNow admittedly it only says rumours but it seems to me you are meant to take this a being true. Also the fact that it says "continues to offer refuge" suggests that this was going on before the Divine decided on holding the Conclave at Haven. After all, back in Act 3 if Alistair comes to Kirkwall it is clear he is offering refuge to runaway mages because Meredith chews him out about it. He then tells us that he wanted a free Circle but is wary of invasion by Orlais under the pretext of an Exalted March so he is doing the next best thing by offering sanctuary to apostates, likely the ones Anders and the Mage Underground freed. It would make sense seeing as Anders is popular with Ferelden refugees and as some of them return home after the Blight, no doubt they could smuggle the odd mage along with them. It is because Alistair (and Anora) are genuinely trying to help improve the lot of mages even before the rebellion in 9:40 that I am so incensed with Fiona's management of the rebellion thereafter. I just assume that if Connor is alive (as he always is in my play throughs) and Rhys is Wynne's son and not part of the group that betrayed the monarch, that they aren't totally turned against the idea of free mages after that but just a bit more careful about how they manage the mages in Ferelden if Leliana is Divine. I imagine perhaps a branch of the College of Enchanters at Kinloch Hold, probably run by Connor and Rhys, so there is somewhere for young mages to train, and mages in the community having to be licensed to operate, so they have some idea where they are and what they are doing. Mages not born in Ferelden would need to be sponsored by a non mage inside Ferelden, like a local Bann, to be accepted. That sort of thing. It's not foolproof but it would probably highlight cultists trying to take over a bit quicker.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 7, 2020 20:04:45 GMT
The Codex "Ferelden after the Blight". I'm not sure if this paragraph is there whoever is in charge but I think so. Despite the events at Kirkwall, Ferelden continues to offer refuge to the rebel mages, which will only bring trouble to our doorsteps. It already has. Rumors among the merchants suggest that Starkhaven places sanctions on trade as a sign of protest. One hears of conflict in the Hinterlands between templars and magesNow admittedly it only says rumours but it seems to me you are meant to take this a being true. Also the fact that it says "continues to offer refuge" suggests that this was going on before the Divine decided on holding the Conclave at Haven. After all, back in Act 3 if Alistair comes to Kirkwall it is clear he is offering refuge to runaway mages because Meredith chews him out about it. He then tells us that he wanted a free Circle but is wary of invasion by Orlais under the pretext of an Exalted March so he is doing the next best thing by offering sanctuary to apostates, likely the ones Anders and the Mage Underground freed. It would make sense seeing as Anders is popular with Ferelden refugees and as some of them return home after the Blight, no doubt they could smuggle the odd mage along with them. So I did read it... and seems neither the mages cause the problems, nor Ferelden's politics to offer refugee to them, but according to the rumours, Starkhaven... and yes, probably Sebastian (who else)... But yes, the Starkhaven sanctions are just rumours, like many things in the game – and this is not that bad. But I love that Ferelden offers shelter, and Meredith accuses Alistair he protected the runaway mages. True as well, that, when Hawke asks about that the Circle in Ferelden is better than here, he asks back: "You think so, wouldn't you..." so seems, not really. Alistair says he has no control on the Circles, only can help to the mages outside (they are only a few). I do like to believe, that Anders helped some of them to escape, and I'm sure many of the mages is grateful.
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Post by fylimar on Oct 8, 2020 7:04:39 GMT
I think, it fits Sebastians character to withhold supplies, people need, for them giving refuge to mages. Tbh he is the worst. If he wants Anders dead so badly, why doesn't he kill him himself? I never think it as my Hawkes responsibility to deal with Anders, when there are two formal authorities on the scene (Meredith and Aveline). Even the Hawke, who didn't go along with Anders, hadn't killed him. It was like 'OK, they don't arrest you, well, what are you waiting for? Come along and help!' I love kicking Sebastians ass in the wartable mission in DAI, that gives me a lot of satisfaction.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Oct 8, 2020 7:30:56 GMT
I think, it fits Sebastians character to withhold supplies, people need, for them giving refuge to mages. Tbh he is the worst. If he wants Anders dead so badly, why doesn't he kill him himself? I never think it as my Hawkes responsibility to deal with Anders, when there are two formal authorities on the scene (Meredith and Aveline). Even the Hawke, who didn't go along with Anders, hadn't killed him. It was like 'OK, they don't arrest you, well, what are you waiting for? Come along and help!' I love kicking Sebastians ass in the wartable mission in DAI, that gives me a lot of satisfaction. Yeah, I've once said this before and I'll say it again
Varric has no qualms about killing Gascard on the off chance that he might betray us and side with Quentin but then Sebastian threatens his home and he's all 'eh, know what...I'll let the guy who just threatened my home with open war and an army walk away" if I'd been Varric I'd have put a bolt through Sebastian's head...just saying
But yeah, I too love kicking Seb's ass on the war-table I can just imagine Aveline standing there with her guards and the Inquisition forces, glaring at Sebastian across the battlefield
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Post by Cantina on Oct 8, 2020 8:13:42 GMT
<peeks in>
Soooooooooo, I see my favorite blondie mage is still being talked about...what have I missed?!? We didn't blow up another Chantry did we? Cause I would be deeply disappointed if I missed it. I would have brought S'more fixings too!
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Oct 8, 2020 8:55:07 GMT
<peeks in>
Soooooooooo, I see my favorite blondie mage is still being talked about...what have I missed?!? We didn't blow up another Chantry did we? Cause I would be deeply disappointed if I missed it. I would have brought S'more fixings too! well, you missed several pages of rather interesting readings from gervaise21
plus a couple of obligated 'I don't like Anders' comments, plus comments defending Anders some new fan-art postings, aka. the usual
and don't ya worry, we have as far as I know not blown up another Chantry
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Post by Catilina on Oct 8, 2020 11:10:24 GMT
<peeks in>
Soooooooooo, I see my favorite blondie mage is still being talked about...what have I missed?!? We didn't blow up another Chantry did we? Cause I would be deeply disappointed if I missed it. I would have brought S'more fixings too! Welcome back!
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Post by Cantina on Oct 8, 2020 12:10:33 GMT
<peeks in>
Soooooooooo, I see my favorite blondie mage is still being talked about...what have I missed?!? We didn't blow up another Chantry did we? Cause I would be deeply disappointed if I missed it. I would have brought S'more fixings too! well, you missed several pages of rather interesting readings from gervaise21
plus a couple of obligated 'I don't like Anders' comments, plus comments defending Anders some new fan-art postings, aka. the usual
and don't ya worry, we have as far as I know not blown up another Chantry
Interesting how?
OH those people. Well, I guess they were lucky I was not here then to answer. Muhaaa!
New fan-art.......was any of it....naked Anders fan-art..
Damn! Well, I guess we need to arrange one then.
<peeks in>
Soooooooooo, I see my favorite blondie mage is still being talked about...what have I missed?!? We didn't blow up another Chantry did we? Cause I would be deeply disappointed if I missed it. I would have brought S'more fixings too! Welcome back! TY Cat.....and btw LOVE your new Avatar.
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